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Hi Guys
I was just wondering, predictions aside, how many of you actually want Mayweather to beat ODLH?
Personally, I'm praying Mayweather finally gets some humility beaten in to him. Granted, he's one of the most talented fighters of his generation, but frankly I just can't stand the guy...
I like both fighters alot but i lean towards Mayweather as the one i want to win and if he wins i would like him to fight Mosely
I want Floyd to win.
The first thing I'd judge a fighter by is their actions in the ring. And in that regard, Floyd's my favorite fighter out there.
In the short term, I think it'd be good for the sport if Oscar wins.
But the thing is, Oscar's already a star out there. He could beat Floyd, he could beat a plumber, he's always gonna be a star. He's always gonna be a major draw.
When If Floyd wins, he's gonna get major attention for the win and increase his drawing power. And in the long term, I think it's a lot better for the sport to have big star attractions.
Win or lose, Oscar is cemented. But Floyd could easily fall into a heavy decline with a loss if he handles it poorly.
If Oscar loses and comes back to fight again, people will still come in droves to watch it.
I don't know if I can say the same for Floyd since so many people tune in to a Floyd fight to see him get his block knocked off. And if it happens, the luster of his invincible persona is tarnished.
I may be the only guy that likes Mayweather, he has fought good fighters throughout his career...how are you crazy fools challenging his opposition? Tony Pep, Genaro Hernandez, Angel Manfredy, Diego Corrales, Jesus Chavez, JLC twice,Gatti, Mitchell, Judah , and Baldomir, all of these guys are great fighters. He wanted the Mosely fight, didnt happen because Mosely. People dont like his style of boxing , because they always want to see the knockouts...I personally like the technical boxers over the brawler/slugger types. This is BOXING not toughman competitions, no one out there today can box better than Mayweather. Im just giving him his overdue props...because I know noone else wants to.If he wants to be considered all time p4p he has to put a few more notches on his belt...i.e. Mosely and Hatton. Then we can start to talk about him as p4p best all time.
I want Floyd to be massacred
Mayweather is one of my top 5 favorites.
He accompanies that list with Hopkins, Oscar, Cotto, & Wright.
It's a tuff call for me to solidify my prediction based on the variables of both men...but I can honestly say that I want Floyd to pull it out because no matter what he says...he won't stay retired...he'll fight on.
That's good for the game...I doubt that Oscar will.
Why don't you modify this & stick a poll in to go along with the thread?
Oscar has already said that even if he loses,he will carry on. Can anyone say rematch?? ;D I honestly want Oscar to win but not just for the same reason as everyone else(Ie to shut Floyd up) but also because even though I'm not Pscar's biggest fan,in fact I was not even a fan until a few weeks ago but upon obtaining the guys entire career on DVD,you can do nothing but respect him for what he has done for boxing! I mean he fights alot of top guys yet that one big win has eluded him.
And I will bet anyone on this forum that there will be a rematch with Floyd!!
Hmm, good question.
I just wanna see a good fight. Right now its hard to say... In a sick way, for me its all about survival of the fittest.
If Oscar is looking old, id be happy for Floyd to capitalise.
But if Floyds in no mood to really fight then i hope Oscar can KHO.
I think Oscar will KHO btw.
I want PBF to win. Nobody works harder than him. He has every right blow off half of his opponents because he is so much physically superior to them, but he never does. He invests more into the sport than anyone else, and that means much more to me than a person's attitude. Despite how he acts, how he works out he respects every opponent he faces.
I agree to a degree. Although I would not say he is intellectually blessed,when it comes to boxing,his training and willingness to put his body through intense training,and as much as it pains me to say it,you are ABSOLUTELY correct.Floyd is in shape allllll year,fight or not and uses his brain,analyses opponents(apart from JLC the first time).Quote:
Originally Posted by Taeth
Sounds like a good idea... How do I do this? Sorry not very experienced at posting!Quote:
Originally Posted by wacko3205
I'm tired of all these people saying how they don't like PBf,its so phoney and stupid its like you are trying to say something that you think will make you seem cool or are joining some sort of club. Some of you idiots really like him but are afraid to say it.
And whats with the "I really dont like him but...."comments .why do you have to preface with that ? Whats wrong with saying hes the best fighter out there or hes talented or whatever and leave off you personal bias.
If you dont like PBF or DLH it does not matter and I assure you neither are losing a milli-second of sleep because of it.
He was injured comming into the fight, and then hurt his shoulder in the fihgt... THe first 3 rounds JLC couldn't do anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Gamo
I would love nothing more than to see him taking a beating for every second of every round and get smashed out in something like round 5 or 6, seem hi go back to his corener in between rounds looking lost, bloody confused untill the finaly spark.
Mayweather is a guy who has all the skills to be great and has given some great performances but.....
He has proven time and again that he will go out of his way to fight the most dangerous opponent out there...Not saying he doesn't have the ability to beat them but goes out of his way to avoid them...DLH will be the best fighter he has ever faced and if not for the crazy amount of money he is being paid I don't think he would fight him....Matweather like to compare himself to the legendary P4P fighters but he has yet to face the level of comp any of them have....Or attemp to fight no one but the best....EG at 140 he sought out the weakest of the champions and I am sorry he did not fight the first champion available...Any of them and their sanctioning body would have cleared a spot for him just for a pay day alone....
Ali fought Frazier, Foreman, Liston, Patterson, Norton and sought them all out
Leonard fought Hearns, Hagler, Duran, Benitez and sought them out
Robinson fought everyone!!!...Same for Joe Louis
Oscar DLH has always sought out the best even if he lost he sought them out
Roy Jones had limited comp in his division but still had some great fights and made it a point to fight at HW to prove something
Hearns fought Leonard, Cuevas, Hagler, Leonard
Baldomir,,Corrales,,Gatti,,Judah and Hernandez are not qualified to make PBF a man in the league of those men I mentioned...
Like I said it's not that Floyd doesn't have the skills it is just he rather go for the gain at the least expense then try to fool us into thinking he has done otherwise...
Leonard,,Hearns,,Duran,,Arguello,,Pryor,,Robinson all would have given Floyd a beating...PBF would have held his own and even won a portion of the fight against any of them but come gut check time these legends would have showed him what P4P greatness was all about...I don't care who agrees
And untill Floyd shows that he has the internal heart to go at it like these men did time and again I will not change my mind
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Originally Posted by No Contest
No you right this is Boxing and not a toughman contest.....That is why at times you have to FIGHT!!!!! Not just box!!!!.....If you are worried about getting hit nad are not willing to go toe to toe when needed to be then guess what You Are In The Wrong Sport!!!!
There is not a single P4P of all time that has not gone toe to toe at least once in their career willingly....But I guess Floyd is different right... ::**
Yeah Baldi was more of a danger to him than Toni... bullshit he was! I agree baldi was regarded as the liner WW champ, the WBC holder, but fuck off was he more of a danger than anyone else to floydQuote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahn
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Originally Posted by Preme
I suppose that Gatti was more dangerous than Hatton or Cotto right???
OMG..... do I REALLY have to answer that question?
;D
not me ;)
YES this IS boxing not a f#cking track meet!Quote:
Originally Posted by No Contest
IF PBF fights, punishes or KO's Oscar somehow,ANYWAY, great! . If he contacts Oscars face with his gloves and does MAJOR damage or KO's him GREAT! IF he runs and pitty pats I HATE HIM!
If Oscar brings it to him I hope he catches him and KO's his ass!
Bottom Line I'm for whoever BRINGS THE PAIN and leave his running shoes at home!
CC, landmine. Add me to the list of fans who want to see a fight, not a chess match. I am totally rooting for PBF, but will be pissed if he starts playing "patty cake" with Oscar.Quote:
Originally Posted by landmine950
"He has proven time and again that he will go out of his way to fight the most dangerous opponent out there..." sometimes he does, but not always don't bring gatti into it coz what happend at 140 isnt the point, fighting mitchel at 147 wasnt the danger fight either - don't do ur usual crap and try change what was put in front of you...Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahn
That wasn't "i hate floyd mayweather" post either, i don't blame him for taking an easy fight at his first 147 fight, knowing the type of guy floyd is i fully expected him to take on baldi, he was the liner WW champ, the WBC champ, a belt that floyd onlyseems interested in really fighting for and fair play to him - i agree 100% on him in the both fights, but when you make out he goes out of his way to fight the danger fights, well that crap.
I want Floyd to dominate him. Floyd is THE best fighter in the world today, and with that kind of recognition comes a ton of haters. I want Floyd to embarrass ODLH and Hatton, just to spite those haters.
Floyd goes on the defensive, and because hes soo fast he makes his opponent look silly you say hes running...he has gone toe to toe with many fighters, you have to go with your strengths and his strength is quickness.Landmine950 I know your not used to seeing real boxing since your a Valuev fan but watch close you may learn something.
You will be disappointed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
Remember that a fight is scored byQuote:
Originally Posted by No Contest
1) clean EFFECTIVE punching ie punches that DO DAMAGE
2) effective AGGRESSIVNESS ie coming forward and throwing!
THEN defense and ring generalship and as you always hear with a strong emphasis on clean effective punching!
I don't care if he goes toe to toe or runs backwards or stands on his f#ckin head! KO oscar or beat him to a bloody pulp ANY way he can and
HE'S THE MAN! I don't care HOW he does it!!!
run away and back up for 12 rounds and leave the ring with his opponent looking like he stepped out of the beauty parlor and he's a
CHICKEN SH!T LOSER
regardless of what the scorecards say.. thats how I feel.
I want Floyd to win because it's been a long time that we've had a legendary boxer and I'd like to claim one for my generation. People in the 1960's and 1970's have Ali, people in the 1980's have Leonard, Hagler, Duran, people in the 1990s have Roy Jones and Julio Cesar Chavez, even though a lot of people don't like him, I'd like to have my own for this new millenium, Floyd Mayweather Jr.
C'mon PBF!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;)
Yeah because Floyd will run all night long....I figure that's what he'll do, I only HOPE Oscar catches his ass just like he caught JeffQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
I hated odlh for beating chavez and never been a fan but respect to him im comming to like him
and will be shouting loud for him to twat mayweather
GO OSCAR
im with oscar on this one. just to hear what PBF says afterwards.
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Originally Posted by Preme
"He has proven time and again that he will go out of his way to fight the most dangerous opponent out there..." how the fuck does that mean he avoids them?!?!Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahn
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Originally Posted by Preme
Daxx, you seem to be putting your posts within quotes here!
To be fair Daxx did originally say that Floyd takes on all the dangerous fights but then made arguments to the contrary. This indicates a typo and that Daxx believes Floyd to be avoiding dangerous fights as his arguments do indeed say with reference to history and past great fighters.
Preme should perhaps have analysed Daxx's arguments in a little more detail and Daxx himself should have reread his own original posting before calling Preme a fool....
A silly mix up solved and CC's to the both of you! ;D
CC back fella,
Did try reading it, but u know how it is, pissed up and reading something with more twists than the da vinci code just makes your head spin don't it ;D
Been there, believe me! ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Preme
I've got to disagree with you here Daxxkahn. I've watched Floyd's entire career and he absolutely has never ducked anybody through fear. He wants the BIGGEST and BEST fights but from a PPV and FINANCIAL point of view as.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahn
When he was at superfeatherweight he kept calling out Naseem Hamed who wanted nothing to do with and even before his fight with Victoriano Sosa he was saying he wanted De La Hoya, (Floyd was a lightweight then).
This prompted a discussion during the Sosa fight between Lampley and Merchant in which Merchant basically said that the fight wouldn't ever happen and that if it did Floyd would have about as much chance against De La Hoya as the current flyweight champ would have against him!
Plus if you watch his defining fights he never ducks anybody or backs down from a fight.
He beat the well respected Genera Hernadez to win his first world title in his 17th fight as a pro, completely dominating and outgunning him.
When he fought Jesus Chavez, Chavez just tore at him, throwing over 100 punches a round and just tried to batter Floyd, the result a knackered Chavez quit on his stool in the 10 th round.
He was injured when he first fought Castillo, won a controversial fight and rematched the guy beating him easily second time round.
When he fought Philip N'Dou, Ndou had a fearsome reputation as a puncher with 30 KO's in 31 fights. Floyd decided to go toe to toe with him and knocked him out.
Then when he moved up to fight Corely, in his first fight at light welter Corely said he would be too strong for Floyd. Floyd again when toe to toe with Corely trading shots, even getting caught with a monster punch in the 4th. But he never backed down, and totally dominated Corely coming back and knocking Corely down in the same round although for some reason the ref judged it a slip.
At this time Gatti and Mitchell were considered more dangerous, Emmanuel Steward saying after his fight with Brusseles that he fought Sharmba Mitchell would be a 50/50 fight because he had the speed, and skills of Floyd and more power. Yes it sounds silly now but we have the luxery of time to reflect back!
My point is that Floyd hasn't ever ducked fighters he's wanted to go after the biggest names that represent the most cash for him. Thats why he wanted Arturo Gatti, thats why he wanted Judah, big selling fights.
Now he's finally got De La Hoya after calling him out for 5 years. Oscar is a bigger challenge than anybody else that Floyd could have fought. He's going up to 154 lb and his first ever fight there is against a Hall of Famer and one of the p4p greats of the last 15 years.
I'm sure that after this fight he will want Mosely another Hall of Famer and why not? Cotto or Margarito or Hatton arn't Hall of Fame bound yet. They may get there but they've not already achieved greatness.
Mayweather has positioned himself now so that he's ready for the big defining fights. You say he hasn't fought anyone but his career isn't over yet. Hagler didn't get a big fight until he was past 30, I reckon Floyd will fight Oscar at least once, Mosely and Cotto for certain before he retires.
I actually want Floyd to win this fight. He is fighting at 154 which is perhaps as far as he can go in weight, and I want to see his skills and savvy overcome the size and power of DLH.
cc One of the best Floyd posts I've read yetQuote:
Originally Posted by bilbo
I don't know where all these "Floyd just runs from his opponents!" arguments come from.Especially in a lot of his recent fights, Floyd has been doing more and more standing and inside fighting. Anyone's who has seen his career knows he doesn't run. It makes sense for him to be a runner with his speed and defense, but he doesn't do it. He DOES go toe to toe.
If his detractors are saying he should go toe to toe ie. completely without guard, why would he do that? Just because he isn't getting hit doesn't mean he isn't standing and fighting :)