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Mark Wahlberg to star as Micky Ward in 'The Fighter'
Mark Walberg and Matt Damon are set to star in 'The Fighter' a bio-pic about Micky Ward:
http://www.starpulse.com/news/index....erg_re_team_fo
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Re: Mark Wahlberg to star as Micky Ward in 'The Fighter'
a drama about the Massachusetts-born boxer's unlikely road to the world lightweight title.
Wow, they're not kidding when they say unlikely. Mickey Ward never fought for the Lightweight title.
Sounds like pure fiction to me!
Nah, that's cool though. Never thought I'd see a Mickey Ward movie.
Oh, and Mark Wahlberg? Insert low blow joke
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a drama about the Massachusetts-born boxer's unlikely road to the world lightweight title.
Wow, they're not kidding when they say unlikely. Mickey Ward never fought for the Lightweight title.
Sounds like pure fiction to me!
Nah, that's cool though. Never thought I'd see a Mickey Ward movie.
Oh, and Mark Wahlberg? Insert low blow joke
They meant superlightweight I'm sure
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I think Wahlberg will do a good job portraing Ward he is a good actor that is under appreciated
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Originally Posted by meowza
a drama about the Massachusetts-born boxer's unlikely road to the world lightweight title.
Wow, they're not kidding when they say unlikely. Mickey Ward never fought for the Lightweight title.
Sounds like pure fiction to me!
Nah, that's cool though. Never thought I'd see a Mickey Ward movie.
Oh, and Mark Wahlberg? Insert low blow joke
They meant superlightweight I'm sure
Only time he fought for the title he was stopped on cuts by Vince Phillis. I wonder who'll play Phillips? Todd Bridges.
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I think Wahlberg will do a good job portraing Ward he is a good actor that is under appreciated
Agreed...though I think he is to big for this role more something like a supermiddleweight...
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Originally Posted by DaxxKahn
I think Wahlberg will do a good job portraing Ward he is a good actor that is under appreciated
Agreed...
though I think he is to big for this role more something like a supermiddleweight...
cc if thats a boogie nights joke
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Originally Posted by JohnnyKickAss
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Originally Posted by DaxxKahn
I think Wahlberg will do a good job portraing Ward he is a good actor that is under appreciated
Agreed...
though I think he is to big for this role more something like a supermiddleweight...
cc if thats a boogie nights joke
Ohh...lol...that was unintentional...
CC back...
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Re: Mark Wahlberg to star as Micky Ward in 'The Fighter'
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Originally Posted by JohnnyKickAss
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Originally Posted by DaxxKahn
I think Wahlberg will do a good job portraing Ward he is a good actor that is under appreciated
Agreed...though I think he is to big for this role more something like a supermiddleweight...
I thought so too but???...To be honest I am not exactly sure how big Mark is??...I know that he is stockier than Ward...But not sure how tall he is?...Hollywood films are funny like that unless you meet or see the person you really can not tell
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Originally Posted by DaxxKahn
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Originally Posted by JohnnyKickAss
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Originally Posted by DaxxKahn
I think Wahlberg will do a good job portraing Ward he is a good actor that is under appreciated
Agreed...though I think he is to big for this role more something like a supermiddleweight...
I thought so too but???...To be honest I am not exactly sure how big Mark is??...I know that he is stockier than Ward...But not sure how tall he is?...Hollywood films are funny like that unless you meet or see the person you really can not tell
ward is 5 foot 8 mark is 5 foot 7
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Re: Mark Wahlberg to star as Micky Ward in 'The Fighter'
Who's gonna be playing Gatti then? Who the hell is there in Hollywood willing to take a meat tenderizer in the face repeatadly to look anything like him? ;D
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Who's gonna be playing Gatti then? Who the hell is there in Hollywood willing to take a meat tenderizer in the face repeatadly to look anything like him? ;D
I think I found the answer to your question. ;)
:o 8) :-X ;D
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You are so mean... ;D
Nah! man!
I love me some Gatti, I'm one of THE few who thinks Gatti is HofFame.... 8)
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I'm glad CMM. Honestly...Gatti is first ballot and Ward doesn't follow to far after. Really shows how unappreciative boxing fans can be when they don't want him in the HoF. I'm actually ready for another Gatti HoF thread right about now 8)
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Originally Posted by yoitsdan
Who's gonna be playing Gatti then? Who the hell is there in Hollywood willing to take a meat tenderizer in the face repeatadly to look anything like him? ;D
I think I found the answer to your question. ;)
:o 8) :-X ;D
haha! cc
I love Gatti and should be offended. But that's just hilarious! ;D
I'll be offended tomorrow instead
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Originally Posted by CutMeMicK
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Originally Posted by yoitsdan
Who's gonna be playing Gatti then? Who the hell is there in Hollywood willing to take a meat tenderizer in the face repeatadly to look anything like him? ;D
I think I found the answer to your question. ;)
:o 8) :-X ;D
haha! cc
I love Gatti and should be offended. But that's just hilarious! ;D
I'll be offended tomorrow instead
You shouldn't it was done in good spirit to get a good laugh I need one.....
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You are so mean... ;D
Nah! man!
I love me some Gatti, I'm one of THE few who thinks Gatti is HofFame.... 8)
Wasn't that a thread topic not to long ago??....Is Gatti HOF worthy....
IMO he is a shoe in....The guy is not the greatest on a tech basis thats for sure but he has given us some great fights and has the true heart of a fighter and thats what it is about what you contribute not who beats you
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Originally Posted by CutMeMicK
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Originally Posted by JohnnyKickAss
You are so mean... ;D
Nah! man!
I love me some Gatti, I'm one of THE few who thinks Gatti is HofFame.... 8)
Wasn't that a thread topic not to long ago??....Is Gatti HOF worthy....
IMO he is a shoe in....The guy is not the greatest on a tech basis thats for sure but he has given us some great fights and has the true heart of a fighter and thats what it is about what you contribute not who beats you
If boxing's HOF was legit like MLB's, Gatti would never get in. However since the Boxing HOF let's in every single fighter under the sun I'm sure Gatti will be inducted.
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Originally Posted by DaxxKahn
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Originally Posted by CutMeMicK
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Originally Posted by JohnnyKickAss
You are so mean... ;D
Nah! man!
I love me some Gatti, I'm one of THE few who thinks Gatti is HofFame.... 8)
Wasn't that a thread topic not to long ago??....Is Gatti HOF worthy....
IMO he is a shoe in....The guy is not the greatest on a tech basis thats for sure but he has given us some great fights and has the true heart of a fighter and thats what it is about what you contribute not who beats you
If boxing's HOF was legit like MLB's, Gatti would never get in. However since the Boxing HOF let's in every single fighter under the sun I'm sure Gatti will be inducted.
How do you figure Gatti is not worthy of HOF status...He is a two division champion....He has fight of the year honors,,round of the years honors and has given us some of the most exciting bouts this era..Thats not worthy why??
I don't think you understand what HOF is
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Originally Posted by meowza
a drama about the Massachusetts-born boxer's unlikely road to the world lightweight title.
Wow, they're not kidding when they say unlikely. Mickey Ward never fought for the Lightweight title.
Sounds like pure fiction to me!
Nah, that's cool though. Never thought I'd see a Mickey Ward movie.
Don't laugh, but Ward beat Shea Neary (brilliant fight) for the WBU Lightwelter title...I remember he was delighted afterwards and very vocal about finally becoming WORLD champion.
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Originally Posted by skyler
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Originally Posted by DaxxKahn
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Originally Posted by CutMeMicK
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Originally Posted by JohnnyKickAss
You are so mean... ;D
Nah! man!
I love me some Gatti, I'm one of THE few who thinks Gatti is HofFame.... 8)
Wasn't that a thread topic not to long ago??....Is Gatti HOF worthy....
IMO he is a shoe in....The guy is not the greatest on a tech basis thats for sure but he has given us some great fights and has the true heart of a fighter and thats what it is about what you contribute not who beats you
If boxing's HOF was legit like MLB's, Gatti would never get in. However since the Boxing HOF let's in every single fighter under the sun I'm sure Gatti will be inducted.
How do you figure Gatti is not worthy of HOF status...He is a two division champion....He has fight of the year honors,,round of the years honors and has given us some of the most exciting bouts this era..Thats not worthy why??
I don't think you understand what HOF is
Read what I wrote dingbat. I said if it was like MLB's HOF, he wouldn't get in. If boxing's HOF had the criteria for induction of MLB's HOF, it wouldn't just let in fighters who are good, you have to be the best of the best. How beloved you are has nothing to do with it. Arturo Gatti never once for one day in his career cracked the top 10 p4p list. There's 17 different weight division with 3 different belts, meaning at any given time there's roughly 40 different guys holding onto world titles, and many of them may win another in a second division. Winning a title in a second division is hardly acclaim by itself to put someone into the HOF, IF boxing's HOF was like baseball's, which was my whole point ::**
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So you're telling me...that when a young 10 year old strolls the halls of Canastota in 40 years, you don't want him to learn about Gatti?
If titles and belts were the criteria for the Hall, the hall would be a book and the plaques would be pictures and career records. Some people HAVE to get in on merit and Ward and Gatti are two of them imo.
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Originally Posted by DaxxKahn
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Originally Posted by skyler
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Originally Posted by DaxxKahn
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Originally Posted by CutMeMicK
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Originally Posted by JohnnyKickAss
You are so mean... ;D
Nah! man!
I love me some Gatti, I'm one of THE few who thinks Gatti is HofFame.... 8)
Wasn't that a thread topic not to long ago??....Is Gatti HOF worthy....
IMO he is a shoe in....The guy is not the greatest on a tech basis thats for sure but he has given us some great fights and has the true heart of a fighter and thats what it is about what you contribute not who beats you
If boxing's HOF was legit like MLB's, Gatti would never get in. However since the Boxing HOF let's in every single fighter under the sun I'm sure Gatti will be inducted.
How do you figure Gatti is not worthy of HOF status...He is a two division champion....He has fight of the year honors,,round of the years honors and has given us some of the most exciting bouts this era..Thats not worthy why??
I don't think you understand what HOF is
Read what I wrote dingbat. I said if it was like MLB's HOF, he wouldn't get in. If boxing's HOF had the criteria for induction of MLB's HOF, it wouldn't just let in fighters who are good, you have to be the best of the best. How beloved you are has nothing to do with it. Arturo Gatti never once for one day in his career cracked the top 10 p4p list. There's 17 different weight division with 3 different belts, meaning at any given time there's roughly 40 different guys holding onto world titles, and many of them may win another in a second division. Winning a title in a second division is hardly acclaim by itself to put someone into the HOF, IF boxing's HOF was like baseball's, which was my whole point ::**
You have a fair point and your opinion is valid, but you can't compare MLB or most any other sport to boxing, because the intagibles don't come into play . You don't have any blood and guts warriors in baseball, when's the last time one player put everything they had on the line to create one of the single best game of baseball ever? It's just not the same, stupid comparison. Gatti's famous, not for being an elite p4p guy, but for being a complete warrior who was in great fights. You can't measure that on paper.
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Originally Posted by skyler
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Originally Posted by DaxxKahn
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Originally Posted by skyler
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Originally Posted by DaxxKahn
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Originally Posted by CutMeMicK
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Originally Posted by JohnnyKickAss
You are so mean... ;D
Nah! man!
I love me some Gatti, I'm one of THE few who thinks Gatti is HofFame.... 8)
Wasn't that a thread topic not to long ago??....Is Gatti HOF worthy....
IMO he is a shoe in....The guy is not the greatest on a tech basis thats for sure but he has given us some great fights and has the true heart of a fighter and thats what it is about what you contribute not who beats you
If boxing's HOF was legit like MLB's, Gatti would never get in. However since the Boxing HOF let's in every single fighter under the sun I'm sure Gatti will be inducted.
How do you figure Gatti is not worthy of HOF status...He is a two division champion....He has fight of the year honors,,round of the years honors and has given us some of the most exciting bouts this era..Thats not worthy why??
I don't think you understand what HOF is
Read what I wrote dingbat. I said if it was like MLB's HOF, he wouldn't get in. If boxing's HOF had the criteria for induction of MLB's HOF, it wouldn't just let in fighters who are good, you have to be the best of the best. How beloved you are has nothing to do with it. Arturo Gatti never once for one day in his career cracked the top 10 p4p list. There's 17 different weight division with 3 different belts, meaning at any given time there's roughly 40 different guys holding onto world titles, and many of them may win another in a second division. Winning a title in a second division is hardly acclaim by itself to put someone into the HOF, IF boxing's HOF was like baseball's, which was my whole point ::**
You have a fair point and your opinion is valid, but you can't compare MLB or most any other sport to boxing, because the intagibles don't come into play . You don't have any blood and guts warriors in baseball, when's the last time one player put everything they had on the line to create one of the single best game of baseball ever? It's just not the same, stupid comparison. Gatti's famous, not for being an elite p4p guy, but for being a complete warrior who was in great fights. You can't measure that on paper.
No one's comparing the sport of MLB or any other sport to boxing ::** I'm saying baseball's idea of putting only the very best of the best into the HOF should be mirrored by boxing. Based on your assursion Emmanuel Burton is a boxing Hall of Famer. If anyone bothered to notice, I said I fully expect Gatti to be inducted based on how boxing's HOF is. I simply think boxing's HOF is a joke.
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Originally Posted by skyler
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Originally Posted by DaxxKahn
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Originally Posted by CutMeMicK
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Originally Posted by JohnnyKickAss
You are so mean... ;D
Nah! man!
I love me some Gatti, I'm one of THE few who thinks Gatti is HofFame.... 8)
Wasn't that a thread topic not to long ago??....Is Gatti HOF worthy....
IMO he is a shoe in....The guy is not the greatest on a tech basis thats for sure but he has given us some great fights and has the true heart of a fighter and thats what it is about what you contribute not who beats you
If boxing's HOF was legit like MLB's, Gatti would never get in. However since the Boxing HOF let's in every single fighter under the sun I'm sure Gatti will be inducted.
How do you figure Gatti is not worthy of HOF status...He is a two division champion....He has fight of the year honors,,round of the years honors and has given us some of the most exciting bouts this era..Thats not worthy why??
I don't think you understand what HOF is
Read what I wrote dingbat. I said if it was like MLB's HOF, he wouldn't get in. If boxing's HOF had the criteria for induction of MLB's HOF, it wouldn't just let in fighters who are good, you have to be the best of the best. How beloved you are has nothing to do with it. Arturo Gatti never once for one day in his career cracked the top 10 p4p list. There's 17 different weight division with 3 different belts, meaning at any given time there's roughly 40 different guys holding onto world titles, and many of them may win another in a second division. Winning a title in a second division is hardly acclaim by itself to put someone into the HOF, IF boxing's HOF was like baseball's, which was my whole point ::**
You have a fair point and your opinion is valid, but you can't compare MLB or most any other sport to boxing, because the intagibles don't come into play . You don't have any blood and guts warriors in baseball, when's the last time one player put everything they had on the line to create one of the single best game of baseball ever? It's just not the same, stupid comparison. Gatti's famous, not for being an elite p4p guy, but for being a complete warrior who was in great fights. You can't measure that on paper.
No one's comparing the sport of MLB or any other sport to boxing ::** I'm saying baseball's idea of putting only the very best of the best into the HOF should be mirrored by boxing. Based on your assursion Emmanuel Burton is a boxing Hall of Famer. If anyone bothered to notice, I said I fully expect Gatti to be inducted based on how boxing's HOF is. I simply think boxing's HOF is a joke.
You were comparing them, simply by saying that boxing's HOF should be like another sport, or that if it was like another sport the comparison has to be drawn, and my point was that boxing isn't really like any other sport. People don't become one of the most prominent and eventually famous figures in other sports without having top calibre talent, least not many. Gatti did, based on his sheer toughness and heart, and the performances he put on. Therefore, for a while, he was considered one of the best of the best in boxing. Not by experts, but more people knew of him and paid to see him fight then save for another 2 or 3 fighters in the sport. Doesn't matter if you or I didn't consider him one of the best, alot of people probably did. So what if the odd guy get's in to the HOF who is perhaps questionable in terms of being top calibre, it's not as if that therefore puts them on the same plane as Duran and Ray Robinson on skills or achievements.. It's the hall of FAME. I really don't understand how you can be against Gatti being accepted.
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should be a good film.. I like Mark Wahlberg a really good actor in my opinion , My girl and I watched a movie called "Invincible" last week on DVD, We really enjoyed the film. True story about a bartender who tries out for the Philadelphia Eagles . a good refreshing watch ! O0
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CC 340 P4P. You're exactly right. Especially on the last part. People seem to forget...it's the hall of FAME. FAME. The most famous baseball players get in to. It's just that in baseball, the most famous players are the best ones.
In boxing, you don't have to be the absolute best to be famous. Emmanuel Augustus is nowhere near as famous Gatti. He's had a few good fights but please, he has nothing on Gatti or Ward. Come on now, Augustus as famous as Gatti?
Gatti is perhaps the most famed fighter of this generation. How many FOTY's has he been in? I mean the guy leaves it ALL in the ring. If the requirements for the hall of fame was that they had to be the absolute best fighters from each and every generation then Gatti would be by no means a hall of famer. But the hall of fame is for guys who bettered the sport, advanced the sport, entertained fans and those who acheived fame. Gatti accomplished all that and then some. Sure the guys' accomplishments do have to be a factor aswell but he WAS a champion. I mean it's not like he spent his whole career on the underbelly of the contender list. The Hall of Fame is for people who deserve to be frozen in time alongside other legends, Arturo Gatti is LEGENDARY. He is this generations Carmen Basilio minus the victories over Sugar Ray (Basilio would have got even if he lost imo). He is this generation's Beau Jack or Tony Zale. Maybe not quite the number of wins as those guys, but guys who didn't have the skills of the elite fighters, guys who weren't world beaters but guys who were immensly popular and left their body in the ring everytime they went out.
Arturo Gatti is absolutely something I want people of future generations to be able to read about. He is a guy who doesn't ever deserve to be forgotten.Now I'm not saying his accomplishments are legendary, and he definitely isn't a hall of famer on paper, but it's the IBHOF's job to go past the notepad and enshrine him. He's first ballot imo no question. I'm surprised there is such a strong sentiment to keep him out to be honest.
It's not called the hall of BEST, it's the hall of fame.
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You are so mean... ;D
Nah! man!
I love me some Gatti, I'm one of THE few who thinks Gatti is HofFame.... 8)
Wasn't that a thread topic not to long ago??....Is Gatti HOF worthy....
IMO he is a shoe in....The guy is not the greatest on a tech basis thats for sure but he has given us some great fights and has the true heart of a fighter and thats what it is about what you contribute not who beats you
If boxing's HOF was legit like MLB's, Gatti would never get in. However since the Boxing HOF let's in every single fighter under the sun I'm sure Gatti will be inducted.
How do you figure Gatti is not worthy of HOF status...He is a two division champion....He has fight of the year honors,,round of the years honors and has given us some of the most exciting bouts this era..Thats not worthy why??
I don't think you understand what HOF is
Read what I wrote dingbat. I said if it was like MLB's HOF, he wouldn't get in. If boxing's HOF had the criteria for induction of MLB's HOF, it wouldn't just let in fighters who are good, you have to be the best of the best. How beloved you are has nothing to do with it. Arturo Gatti never once for one day in his career cracked the top 10 p4p list. There's 17 different weight division with 3 different belts, meaning at any given time there's roughly 40 different guys holding onto world titles, and many of them may win another in a second division. Winning a title in a second division is hardly acclaim by itself to put someone into the HOF, IF boxing's HOF was like baseball's, which was my whole point ::**
You have a fair point and your opinion is valid, but you can't compare MLB or most any other sport to boxing, because the intagibles don't come into play . You don't have any blood and guts warriors in baseball, when's the last time one player put everything they had on the line to create one of the single best game of baseball ever? It's just not the same, stupid comparison. Gatti's famous, not for being an elite p4p guy, but for being a complete warrior who was in great fights. You can't measure that on paper.
No one's comparing the sport of MLB or any other sport to boxing ::** I'm saying baseball's idea of putting only the very best of the best into the HOF should be mirrored by boxing. Based on your assursion Emmanuel Burton is a boxing Hall of Famer. If anyone bothered to notice, I said I fully expect Gatti to be inducted based on how boxing's HOF is. I simply think boxing's HOF is a joke.
You were comparing them, simply by saying that boxing's HOF should be like another sport, or that if it was like another sport the comparison has to be drawn, and my point was that boxing isn't really like any other sport. People don't become one of the most prominent and eventually famous figures in other sports without having top calibre talent, least not many. Gatti did, based on his sheer toughness and heart, and the performances he put on. Therefore, for a while, he was considered one of the best of the best in boxing. Not by experts, but more people knew of him and paid to see him fight then save for another 2 or 3 fighters in the sport. Doesn't matter if you or I didn't consider him one of the best, alot of people probably did. So what if the odd guy get's in to the HOF who is perhaps questionable in terms of being top calibre, it's not as if that therefore puts them on the same plane as Duran and Ray Robinson on skills or achievements.. It's the hall of FAME. I really don't understand how you can be against Gatti being accepted.
Dude, I seriously don't know how to spell this out any clearer for you. Try taking a look at my very first post in this thread. I said if boxing's HALL OF FAME was like MLB's HALL OF FAME. I'm talking about CRITERIA, it has nothing to do with the actual sports. I simply think boxing should only let in the best of the best. You seem to think otherwise. As I already clearly stated, based on how boxing is, Gatti would get in, and you seem to agree with that and that's fine. I simply think boxing should only let in the best of the best, and if someone was never a p4p candidate in their own generation, let alone all time, that would not be enough for induction. Do you not seem to understand that I know what the IBHOF looks for? I do, that's why I said Gatti will probably get in. Why do you seem to have a personal problem with my opinion?
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CC 340 P4P. You're exactly right. Especially on the last part. People seem to forget...it's the hall of FAME. FAME. The most famous baseball players get in to. It's just that in baseball, the most famous players are the best ones.
In boxing, you don't have to be the absolute best to be famous. Emmanuel Augustus is nowhere near as famous Gatti. He's had a few good fights but please, he has nothing on Gatti or Ward. Come on now, Augustus as famous as Gatti?
Gatti is perhaps the most famed fighter of this generation. How many FOTY's has he been in? I mean the guy leaves it ALL in the ring. If the requirements for the hall of fame was that they had to be the absolute best fighters from each and every generation then Gatti would be by no means a hall of famer. But the hall of fame is for guys who bettered the sport, advanced the sport, entertained fans and those who acheived fame. Gatti accomplished all that and then some. Sure the guys' accomplishments do have to be a factor aswell but he WAS a champion. I mean it's not like he spent his whole career on the underbelly of the contender list. The Hall of Fame is for people who deserve to be frozen in time alongside other legends, Arturo Gatti is LEGENDARY. He is this generations Carmen Basilio minus the victories over Sugar Ray (Basilio would have got even if he lost imo). He is this generation's Beau Jack or Tony Zale. Maybe not quite the number of wins as those guys, but guys who didn't have the skills of the elite fighters, guys who weren't world beaters but guys who were immensly popular and left their body in the ring everytime they went out.
Arturo Gatti is absolutely something I want people of future generations to be able to read about. He is a guy who doesn't ever deserve to be forgotten.Now I'm not saying his accomplishments are legendary, and he definitely isn't a hall of famer on paper, but it's the IBHOF's job to go past the notepad and enshrine him. He's first ballot imo no question. I'm surprised there is such a strong sentiment to keep him out to be honest.
It's not called the hall of BEST, it's the hall of fame.
So when's Butterbean getting in ::**. You cannot possibly be this naive.
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CC 340 P4P. You're exactly right. Especially on the last part. People seem to forget...it's the hall of FAME. FAME. The most famous baseball players get in to. It's just that in baseball, the most famous players are the best ones.
In boxing, you don't have to be the absolute best to be famous. Emmanuel Augustus is nowhere near as famous Gatti. He's had a few good fights but please, he has nothing on Gatti or Ward. Come on now, Augustus as famous as Gatti?
Gatti is perhaps the most famed fighter of this generation. How many FOTY's has he been in? I mean the guy leaves it ALL in the ring. If the requirements for the hall of fame was that they had to be the absolute best fighters from each and every generation then Gatti would be by no means a hall of famer. But the hall of fame is for guys who bettered the sport, advanced the sport, entertained fans and those who acheived fame. Gatti accomplished all that and then some. Sure the guys' accomplishments do have to be a factor aswell but he WAS a champion. I mean it's not like he spent his whole career on the underbelly of the contender list. The Hall of Fame is for people who deserve to be frozen in time alongside other legends, Arturo Gatti is LEGENDARY. He is this generations Carmen Basilio minus the victories over Sugar Ray (Basilio would have got even if he lost imo). He is this generation's Beau Jack or Tony Zale. Maybe not quite the number of wins as those guys, but guys who didn't have the skills of the elite fighters, guys who weren't world beaters but guys who were immensly popular and left their body in the ring everytime they went out.
Arturo Gatti is absolutely something I want people of future generations to be able to read about. He is a guy who doesn't ever deserve to be forgotten.Now I'm not saying his accomplishments are legendary, and he definitely isn't a hall of famer on paper, but it's the IBHOF's job to go past the notepad and enshrine him. He's first ballot imo no question. I'm surprised there is such a strong sentiment to keep him out to be honest.
It's not called the hall of BEST, it's the hall of fame.
So when's Butterbean getting in ::**. You cannot possibly be this naive.
Did you just read the first and last sentence of my post? I gave plenty of reason for Gatti to get in...Butterbean never carried an entire city on his back and make it a hallowed boxing city. Come on man you're better then that...
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Re: Mark Wahlberg to star as Micky Ward in 'The Fighter'
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CC 340 P4P. You're exactly right. Especially on the last part. People seem to forget...it's the hall of FAME. FAME. The most famous baseball players get in to. It's just that in baseball, the most famous players are the best ones.
In boxing, you don't have to be the absolute best to be famous. Emmanuel Augustus is nowhere near as famous Gatti. He's had a few good fights but please, he has nothing on Gatti or Ward. Come on now, Augustus as famous as Gatti?
Gatti is perhaps the most famed fighter of this generation. How many FOTY's has he been in? I mean the guy leaves it ALL in the ring. If the requirements for the hall of fame was that they had to be the absolute best fighters from each and every generation then Gatti would be by no means a hall of famer. But the hall of fame is for guys who bettered the sport, advanced the sport, entertained fans and those who acheived fame. Gatti accomplished all that and then some. Sure the guys' accomplishments do have to be a factor aswell but he WAS a champion. I mean it's not like he spent his whole career on the underbelly of the contender list. The Hall of Fame is for people who deserve to be frozen in time alongside other legends, Arturo Gatti is LEGENDARY. He is this generations Carmen Basilio minus the victories over Sugar Ray (Basilio would have got even if he lost imo). He is this generation's Beau Jack or Tony Zale. Maybe not quite the number of wins as those guys, but guys who didn't have the skills of the elite fighters, guys who weren't world beaters but guys who were immensly popular and left their body in the ring everytime they went out.
Arturo Gatti is absolutely something I want people of future generations to be able to read about. He is a guy who doesn't ever deserve to be forgotten.Now I'm not saying his accomplishments are legendary, and he definitely isn't a hall of famer on paper, but it's the IBHOF's job to go past the notepad and enshrine him. He's first ballot imo no question. I'm surprised there is such a strong sentiment to keep him out to be honest.
It's not called the hall of BEST, it's the hall of fame.
So when's Butterbean getting in ::**. You cannot possibly be this naive.
Did you just read the first and last sentence of my post? I gave plenty of reason for Gatti to get in...Butterbean never carried an entire city on his back and make it a hallowed boxing city. Come on man you're better then that...
Yes I did:
1st sentence of your post: CC 340 P4P
last sentence of your post: It's not called the hall of BEST, it's the hall of fame.
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Re: Mark Wahlberg to star as Micky Ward in 'The Fighter'
Holy christ, I know that's what you said, I echoed that several times. I don't care if you didn't MEAN to compare the sports themselves, you said if boxings HOF was LIKE MLBs(unless Im wrong ::**). I know you meant by the criteria they look for, but my point was, that there are other things to look for in boxing, intangibles that you don't find in other sports, and since the sports are different, you have to think there can be different areas which the HOF should look at. Written achievements and statistics should weigh alot more heavily in sports like baseball, where there is no physical contact and the game is all about numbers. Boxing isn't like that, people can be remembered for great fights and great performances, win or lose and regardless of their ability. I wasn't exactly sure if you acknowledged that or not, so you did clear up that bit for me. I took a stance against your opinion because I simply don't agree.. Your basically saying that you know the boxing HOF weighs in a fighters great performances, heart, warrior spirit, popularity, impact on the sport, but you just don't think they should and instead should go by simply the p4p best fighters on each era. I think theres more to it then that. Guess thats all there is to it. Have a CC, didn't have a personal problem with your opinion at all, I just don't agree with it.
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CC 340 P4P. You're exactly right. Especially on the last part. People seem to forget...it's the hall of FAME. FAME. The most famous baseball players get in to. It's just that in baseball, the most famous players are the best ones.
In boxing, you don't have to be the absolute best to be famous. Emmanuel Augustus is nowhere near as famous Gatti. He's had a few good fights but please, he has nothing on Gatti or Ward. Come on now, Augustus as famous as Gatti?
Gatti is perhaps the most famed fighter of this generation. How many FOTY's has he been in? I mean the guy leaves it ALL in the ring. If the requirements for the hall of fame was that they had to be the absolute best fighters from each and every generation then Gatti would be by no means a hall of famer. But the hall of fame is for guys who bettered the sport, advanced the sport, entertained fans and those who acheived fame. Gatti accomplished all that and then some. Sure the guys' accomplishments do have to be a factor aswell but he WAS a champion. I mean it's not like he spent his whole career on the underbelly of the contender list. The Hall of Fame is for people who deserve to be frozen in time alongside other legends, Arturo Gatti is LEGENDARY. He is this generations Carmen Basilio minus the victories over Sugar Ray (Basilio would have got even if he lost imo). He is this generation's Beau Jack or Tony Zale. Maybe not quite the number of wins as those guys, but guys who didn't have the skills of the elite fighters, guys who weren't world beaters but guys who were immensly popular and left their body in the ring everytime they went out.
Arturo Gatti is absolutely something I want people of future generations to be able to read about. He is a guy who doesn't ever deserve to be forgotten.Now I'm not saying his accomplishments are legendary, and he definitely isn't a hall of famer on paper, but it's the IBHOF's job to go past the notepad and enshrine him. He's first ballot imo no question. I'm surprised there is such a strong sentiment to keep him out to be honest.
It's not called the hall of BEST, it's the hall of fame.
So when's Butterbean getting in ::**. You cannot possibly be this naive.
Did you just read the first and last sentence of my post? I gave plenty of reason for Gatti to get in...Butterbean never carried an entire city on his back and make it a hallowed boxing city. Come on man you're better then that...
Yes I did:
1st sentence of your post: CC 340 P4P
last sentence of your post: It's not called the hall of BEST, it's the hall of fame.
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Come on man if you're not going to read the whole post then don't comment on it...
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Re: Mark Wahlberg to star as Micky Ward in 'The Fighter'
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CC 340 P4P. You're exactly right. Especially on the last part. People seem to forget...it's the hall of FAME. FAME. The most famous baseball players get in to. It's just that in baseball, the most famous players are the best ones.
In boxing, you don't have to be the absolute best to be famous. Emmanuel Augustus is nowhere near as famous Gatti. He's had a few good fights but please, he has nothing on Gatti or Ward. Come on now, Augustus as famous as Gatti?
Gatti is perhaps the most famed fighter of this generation. How many FOTY's has he been in? I mean the guy leaves it ALL in the ring. If the requirements for the hall of fame was that they had to be the absolute best fighters from each and every generation then Gatti would be by no means a hall of famer. But the hall of fame is for guys who bettered the sport, advanced the sport, entertained fans and those who acheived fame. Gatti accomplished all that and then some. Sure the guys' accomplishments do have to be a factor aswell but he WAS a champion. I mean it's not like he spent his whole career on the underbelly of the contender list. The Hall of Fame is for people who deserve to be frozen in time alongside other legends, Arturo Gatti is LEGENDARY. He is this generations Carmen Basilio minus the victories over Sugar Ray (Basilio would have got even if he lost imo). He is this generation's Beau Jack or Tony Zale. Maybe not quite the number of wins as those guys, but guys who didn't have the skills of the elite fighters, guys who weren't world beaters but guys who were immensly popular and left their body in the ring everytime they went out.
Arturo Gatti is absolutely something I want people of future generations to be able to read about. He is a guy who doesn't ever deserve to be forgotten.Now I'm not saying his accomplishments are legendary, and he definitely isn't a hall of famer on paper, but it's the IBHOF's job to go past the notepad and enshrine him. He's first ballot imo no question. I'm surprised there is such a strong sentiment to keep him out to be honest.
It's not called the hall of BEST, it's the hall of fame.
So when's Butterbean getting in ::**. You cannot possibly be this naive.
Did you just read the first and last sentence of my post? I gave plenty of reason for Gatti to get in...Butterbean never carried an entire city on his back and make it a hallowed boxing city. Come on man you're better then that...
Yes I did:
1st sentence of your post: CC 340 P4P
last sentence of your post: It's not called the hall of BEST, it's the hall of fame.
dismissed
And what exactly is your point? Other than to make some silly exageration by bringing up Butterbean, as if he ever held a world title, fought an elite fighter, had a great performance, or was even that well known or supported by real boxing fans at all.
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Re: Mark Wahlberg to star as Micky Ward in 'The Fighter'
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Holy christ, I know that's what you said, I echoed that several times. I don't care if you didn't MEAN to compare the sports themselves, you said if boxings HOF was LIKE MLBs(unless Im wrong ::**). I know you meant by the criteria they look for, but my point was, that there are other things to look for in boxing, intangibles that you don't find in other sports, and since the sports are different, you have to think there can be different areas which the HOF should look at. Written achievements and statistics should weigh alot more heavily in sports like baseball, where there is no physical contact and the game is all about numbers. Boxing isn't like that, people can be remembered for great fights and great performances, win or lose and regardless of their ability. I wasn't exactly sure if you acknowledged that or not, so you did clear up that bit for me. I took a stance against your opinion because I simply don't agree.. Your basically saying that you know the boxing HOF weighs in a fighters great performances, heart, warrior spirit, popularity, impact on the sport, but you just don't think they should and instead should go by simply the p4p best fighters on each era. I think theres more to it then that. Guess thats all there is to it. Have a CC, didn't have a personal problem with your opinion at all, I just don't agree with it.
Again, I also know what stance you're coming from, I simply disagree that the intangibles you speak of merit induction. IMO, you're either the best of the best, or you're not, intangibles (heart, guts, fearlessness) withstanding. You think boxing should look at those. I simply don't.
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Holy christ, I know that's what you said, I echoed that several times. I don't care if you didn't MEAN to compare the sports themselves, you said if boxings HOF was LIKE MLBs(unless Im wrong ::**). I know you meant by the criteria they look for, but my point was, that there are other things to look for in boxing, intangibles that you don't find in other sports, and since the sports are different, you have to think there can be different areas which the HOF should look at. Written achievements and statistics should weigh alot more heavily in sports like baseball, where there is no physical contact and the game is all about numbers. Boxing isn't like that, people can be remembered for great fights and great performances, win or lose and regardless of their ability. I wasn't exactly sure if you acknowledged that or not, so you did clear up that bit for me. I took a stance against your opinion because I simply don't agree.. Your basically saying that you know the boxing HOF weighs in a fighters great performances, heart, warrior spirit, popularity, impact on the sport, but you just don't think they should and instead should go by simply the p4p best fighters on each era. I think theres more to it then that. Guess thats all there is to it. Have a CC, didn't have a personal problem with your opinion at all, I just don't agree with it.
Again, I also know what stance you're coming from, I simply disagree that the intangibles you speak of merit induction. IMO, you're either the best of the best, or you're not, intangibles (heart, guts, fearlessness) withstanding. You think boxing should look at those. I simply don't.
I can understand you thinking that since Gatti really only possesed those intagibles in excess and what otherwise quite limited, he shouldn't get in.. But how can you honestly say boxing simply, shouldn't look at them. Like they aren't a part of the sport ??? Say you have a fighter who's skills were very very good, borderline elite and top p4p... But he also happened to have the most heart, grit, balls, and determination one could have.. It wouldn't tip him into the ranks?? Come on.. Who knows what some greats would have been without those intangibles... The name Fransico Bojado springs to mind, along with Zab Judah, the man in your avatar... Hey, wait a minute............ Now I can see where your coming from hahaha ;D
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Re: Mark Wahlberg to star as Micky Ward in 'The Fighter'
so tell me, where does Zab belong in the HOF..... :laugh: Since heart, fearlessness, balls, grit, determination, mental toughness don't count... Hell, he's probably one of the best p4p fighters of our era right?
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so tell me, where does Zab belong in the HOF..... :laugh: Since heart, fearlessness, balls, grit, determination, mental toughness don't count... Hell, he's probably one of the best p4p fighters of our era right?
Zab DOESN'T belong in the HOF, much like Gatti and Vargas. As I've said on this board numerous times, he's simply my favorite fighter because he's the one I like watching the most.
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Re: Mark Wahlberg to star as Micky Ward in 'The Fighter'
Mickey is my trainer and Mark has been following him around my city (lowell MA) to try and pick up on his personality for the movie, i saw them together and they are even in size, it should be a great movie!!!
