if mayweather beats ODLH then im convinced hes an all time great
my even be if he looses but this os a tough ask i think , oscar has big power and this is going to answer alot of questions
Wot do you guys think of the fight opinions please ?
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if mayweather beats ODLH then im convinced hes an all time great
my even be if he looses but this os a tough ask i think , oscar has big power and this is going to answer alot of questions
Wot do you guys think of the fight opinions please ?
Oscar dela Hoya could become one of the greats due to his impact and relevance on modern boxing scene. so imo, defeating oscar is a good resume for mayweather. maybe another victory against cotto or mosley will make him one.Quote:
Originally Posted by althetruthhindley
He will become an ATG...but not to the degree of ya Leonards, Robinsons, Haglers, Duran's etc etc....He wants that kinda stature he needs to beat Mosley, Cotto, Hatton, ODLH imo.
If he pummels, punishes, and/or Ko's Oscar then I agree. It would make hard not to at least consider him for the ATG list.
If he wins by decision after dancing around like a queer....Then he belongs on "Dances with the stars"
beating oscar now isn't the same as beating oscar 5 or 6 years ago. it doesn't mean as much.
when tito got a victory of oscar it was a big deal. when shane beat oscar it was a big deal. it would still be a good win but with oscar inactivity it take away from the it alittle bit. atleast my for me anyway.
well it will tell us if he cud have competed with your leoards and hearns's cos oscar brings power to the table and has a good jab so mayweather will have alot of problems i think so lets wait and see
He is ALREADY considered an ATG.He has doing almost everything that a boxer can do.Great Amateur career-Olympic Medalist-Dominated all opponents,etc...After he beats DLH...I think that he is gonna take on Hatton(he is gonna dominate him also).But Mosley...come on!He got a clinic put on him by Winky twice!Cotto...he is just not on PBF's level.No one on here can honestly tell me that Cotto and all of those other welters can beat PBF.Its just not realistic
He might be considered an all time great by you...but in REALITY....he is no where close.Quote:
Originally Posted by Olympian904
he'll still be remembered as an arsehole ;D
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oh youd be very suprised
you must not have been around when the general consensus on the forum was that Antonio Margarito was the one to beat pbf. you would have seen some of the most ridiculous thread topics about how Mayweather was running scared from Margarito and Margarito was the most feared welterweight in the world.
then Margarito goes out and puts on a poor showing against Clottey, Cotto beats Carlos Quintana on the same card, and EVERY (except el gamo) Margarito fan jumps over to the Cotto bandwagon
i just wanna know where these "fans" are gonna go after Paul Williams walks through Antonio Margarito, and Zab Judah butchers Miguel Cotto
Zhubin have you ever boxed a day in your life?For you to say that he is not great...your just a PBF hater.And Bird...the fact that people THINK that he is an ass has nothing to do with his boxing skills?People hate Allen Iverson,Terrell Owens,etc...it doesnt mean that they aren't great players!It seems that PBF has to beat DLH,Hatton,Margo,Cotto,Mosley,P.Williams,and who ever else calls him out in order for you to give him a little credit.I'd like to see Cotto vs Mosley...and then the winner take on PBF.I simply wasnt impressed with the Cotto/Malignaggi fight.
what are you talkin about pal? floyd is awesome yeah and i didnt say he wasnt. but he hasnt faught anywhere near the best opposition in my book to be considered an all time great (a lot agree with me). all i said is that he will be remembered as an arsehole. he will. he's an arogant, disrespectful, cocky fighter with very good skills but i'll personally remember him more for being a dick than being a great fighter. if he fights some better opposition and has some more memorable fighters then i may change my mind and he's doin that a bit by fighting de la hoya.Quote:
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Olympian, do you KNOW anything about boxing? Because if you thing that Floyd is already an ALL TIME GREAT...you don't much about the sport...and instead come across as Floyd groupie. I have never said Floyd isn't a very talented fighter with the POTENTIAL to be an all time great. I have simply stated that he has not fought anywhere close the level of competition UP TO NOW...to be even close to being considered one of the sports all time greats.Quote:
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People get so bent out of shape regarding Floyd.Quote:
Originally Posted by zhubin
The facts are that Floyd is one of the best fighters of this decade...he always has been & always will be.
Beating Oscar will mean alot...period. It has when other fighters beat him...thing is...it will depend on how Floyd beats him, if he does...but no matter what...he will not be respected for it.
Floyd handled some of the better fighters of our generation when he defeated Castillo, Hernandez, Chavez, & Corrales. Whether or not I like them outside of the ropes...I can clearly acknowledge their accomplishments inside of them.
Funny thing is...the above name fighters often recieve loads of praise & support...until you bring Floyd's name into the equation...then there is always something derogatory to be said about them & then it filters down to Floyd.
It's really stupid.
If Floyd had an attitude that appealed to the masses...say he acted like Oscar, Mosley, Taylor, or any of the other nice guys...he would be respected & recieve accolades in bunches.
If he colored inside of the lines so to speak...he would be loved. PERIOD.
That's a fact.
Wacko, i will give Floyd respect if he beats Oscar. I just have to disagree when you say he has defeated some of the best fighters of our generation...to say that is stretching it is an understatement. I have plenty of respect for Floyd's skills. I just don't have a lot of respect for his level of opposition. We just disagree on that point.
Its Like everyone's beef with my boi SRL....IMO he gets stick from those who dont like him becuase of his personality outa the ring....and of course the decision with Hagler in which everyone blames Leonard for that not the judges which i personally find a tad odd....i fink he deserved a razor thing decision but i aint gona kik that one off agen.Quote:
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zhubin...you can disagree with yourself all you want.Quote:
Originally Posted by zhubin
You obviously didn't read my statement before you jumped to try & tear it apart. Read below...re-read below:
I said "better" not "best".Quote:
Originally Posted by wacko3205
You said that...so if anyone is stretching something...that'd be you...but not recognizing who he beat or how he beat them shows a lack of respect...which you seem to have based on your comments abound.
Thing is...most people...I'm assuming like you...will say that Floyd never beat the best...even if he beats them. If Cotto were to beat & humiliate Cotto, Oscar, Margarito, or Hatton to name a few...it would end up panning out like this:
Cotto: To green & nothing but hype.
Oscar: To old & living off of his name.
Margarito: Never beat anyone worthy, hype machine.
Hatton: Protected fighter that had one good win.
Crap like that is already circulating in speculation...no matter what Floyd does...he will always face criticism from people that dislike him & nothing he can do will be enough.
Your arrogance is amusing. And believe me...i wasn't trying to tear you apart. You also need to stop "assuming" things. I never brought up Cotto, Margarito, or Hatton....and you have no idea how i would respond if he was to face and beat those fighters. You obviously are a huge Floyd fan. And I can respect that. But if it bothers you that some people don't like or respect him or as much as you do...that's your problem.
Again...wordplay.Quote:
Originally Posted by zhubin
I said tear apart what I was saying...not me.
As far as me speaking on Floyd...it's not a problem...nor is the fact that you seem to have an issue understanding that the post was directed as a broad statement for how people respond to his opposition & not you directly...since wer'e speaking on arrogance...it aint all about you.
Glad I could amuse you...it's what I'm here for...just for you. ;D ::**
you make an excellent point, CC #36 . Pretty Boy is a very smart business man, and to his own admission he will make the smart business decision above all else . There is nothing wrong with that I might add, We have all been guilty of trying to make the smart business decision , In boxing you got one body which is your money maker, when that’s finished and used up, your over as a fighter ! Floyd has the ability to fight who he wants , and in the past he fought guys in which he deems less threatening yet still profitable up until now he has never really been challenged , he has been superior to everyone he has faced which was his plan . , Floyd Mayweather is one of the most gifted boxers ever ! However as a person, Floyd is a smug little cunt , and for that I'd like to see him plastered on the canvas May 5th. ;) O0Quote:
Originally Posted by zhubin
You know...i'm not trying to start any drama. I guess we just misunderstand each other. To each their own.Quote:
Originally Posted by wacko3205
I would have never thought that...Quote:
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...but fair enough. Cheers.Quote:
Originally Posted by zhubin
I dont know nothing about boxing?lol...If you think that DLH is gonna win,or that Cotto,Margo,and these other"Dangerous" fighters can beat PBF...WAKE UP!ZBuhin...What are your boxing accomplishments?
Mayweather is a tremendous fighter of course , but i don't think he is yet an all time great.
Thats wot my post was about , but hey he is not far off and he is like many top sportsmen he is arrogant but that sometimes makes them better !!!!!!
When did i ever say DLH, Cotto, or Margo could defeat Floyd? You need to calm down. You prove my point about your lack of knowledge by ranting non sense. Floyd fans like you are unintentionally funny.Quote:
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I agree Allthetruth...I believe that he is top 4 guranteed right now.Zhubin if you dont believe that any of those fighters can beat PBF then why say that he has to fight them?For those who question the quality of the people he has fought...who should he fight?I see no reason for a mosley fight.An arguement can be made for Hatton giving his profile in England and his stellar record.Margo...lol..the guy has 4 losses and hasn't fought anyone(PBF has 6 losses in his entire life).Cotto I believe needs to fight maybe 2 more top fighters.
I'd like to see Mosley vs Cotto=winner take on PBF
P.Williams/Margo/Berto battle it out.