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Which Old HW War horse STILL has a shot at a Title?
All of these guys are WarHorses!
Over 10 years and 30 fights! How long does a guy keep chasing the dream?
Some have seen the glory and want one more moment in the spotlight.
Some can't seen to understand that its over.
Who do you think on the list has the BEST shot at really doing something in the HW division? More than just fluking into a title somewhere, AND WHY!
Any one I missed? 10+ years and say 30+ fights or so?
AND hey...which guy do you SERIOUSLY think should hang 'em up!
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I dont know if this is a valid question. Everyone but Wald has just fluked into a heavyweight belt.
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It has to be Toney, McCline or Holyfield. I literally laughed when I saw Goofi on the list.
I'll say Holyfield just because I think he will be the only one of these guys, outside of maybe Rahman or Ruiz to even get a title shot. But I don't think he beats any of the champions. Well...maybe Briggs.
But Mesi is the one who absolutely has NO PLACE in a boxing ring right now and I beleive he is just playing with fire.
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Originally Posted by boozeboxer
I dont know if this is a valid question. Everyone but Wald has just fluked into a heavyweight belt.
Good point.
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Originally Posted by landmine950
All of these guys are WarHorses!
Over 10 years and 30 fights! How long does a guy keep chasing the dream?
Some have seen the glory and want one more moment in the spotlight.
Some can't seen to understand that its over.
Who do you think on the list has the BEST shot at really doing something in the HW division? More than just fluking into a title somewhere, AND WHY!
Any one I missed? 10+ years and say 30+ fights or so?
AND hey...which guy do you SERIOUSLY think should hang 'em up!
You didn't put a opition for 'None of them' :(
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Originally Posted by boozeboxer
I don't know if this is a valid question. Everyone but Wald has just fluked into a heavyweight belt.
What does how the current belt holders path to obtaining their belts, have to do with other seasoned fighters chances or abilities to rise to the top of the division at a late stage in their careers?
The question is about this large group of decent experienced fighters who are still trying to stay "in the mix" to vie for a chance to show that they can fulfill the promise that they once showed and hoped for. If you have a comment or opinion about any or some of these guys I'd really like to hear it. Maybe see a different view of why some of these guys are still regarded by some as guys with a chance or more. Hopefully open up some discussion about each guys pro's and/or cons.
If it's not a valid question...I don't get it..
Do you really think that NONE of them have a chance?
Who does that leave?
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I'd say the top three are Rahman, Holyfield and McCall. Probably in that order. Rahman aint that old and was just Champion less than a year ago, he just fukked up, got tired, and got KTFO again by Oleg Maskaev. Holyfield is old, but still has a big name and with a few more wins over lesser competition could very well get a title shot. And McCall is a nut job with a granite chin and one hell of a punch. Just about everybody else has virtually no chance. Tua man is fat, and has not been KO'n the bums he's been fighting like he should be. I like Tua, but if he can't KO THESE guys, then fuk it, its time to retire.
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Originally Posted by Hulk
I'd say the top three are Rahman, Holyfield and McCall. Probably in that order. Rahman aint that old and was just Champion less than a year ago, he just fukked up, got tired, and got KTFO again by Oleg Maskaev. Holyfield is old, but still has a big name and with a few more wins over lesser competition could very well get a title shot. And McCall is a nut job with a granite chin and one hell of a punch. Just about everybody else has virtually no chance. Tua man is fat, and has not been KO'n the bums he's been fighting like he should be. I like Tua, but if he can't KO THESE guys, then fuk it, its time to retire.
Hmmm I agree, Rahman might be the dark horse I always liked his skills and balance of size power speed etc,but he didn't show it against Toney or Maskaev.
Evander as much as I hate to say it ..is done, His name and rep might get him a shot that I don't think he deserves unless he has a couple of real fights and shows he still has it, and I think it will show the opposite.
McCall didn't look good to me at all in his second to last fight and is really fighting bums.
Tua? I don't know..I think age and his style don't go well. He,like Tyson won't be effective as older bigger slower guys. I don't think he can get it back.
Sure be nice to see some kind of elimination with ALL these guys and the say 4 left standing face off for 2 title shots at 2 different belts!
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I voted Mcall he always as that punchers chance against any heavyweight e.g lennox and Akinwande
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honestly it might be larry donald..hes already shut out holyfield and got robbed againt valuev,,hes a tricky boxer and a tough fight for anyone not named wlad klitschko
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Originally Posted by LawHoops
honestly it might be larry donald..hes already shut out holyfield and got robbed againt valuev,,hes a tricky boxer and a tough fight for anyone not named wlad klitschko
Good call the champs never want to fight him so he must have something ;)
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I voted the Duke ???, But Tua should be champ right now if he got off his lazy lau lau, Kailua pig eating ass.
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Originally Posted by TheDukeof74
I voted the Duke ???, But Tua should be champ right now if he got off his lazy lau lau, Kailua pig eating ass.
LMFAO ;D when your right your right ! a few more fights and he should be in the mix , no worries !
enjoyed that :coolclick: #291
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Larry Donald should be a title holder right now!!! WBA title holder!!!!!
Joe Mesi ain't that old....and he hasn't been in half as many battles as the rest of those guys. I wish him the best but that head injury worries me. I wish he had already gotten a TITLE SHOT so he'd know how he compares to the best of the division.
Oliver McCall is dangerous but he won't get another shot.
John Ruiz will be the first out of that group to get another title shot...he has like one a year whether he deserves it or not.
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Originally Posted by landmine950
All of these guys are WarHorses!
Over 10 years and 30 fights! How long does a guy keep chasing the dream?
Some have seen the glory and want one more moment in the spotlight.
Some can't seen to understand that its over.
Who do you think on the list has the BEST shot at really doing something in the HW division? More than just fluking into a title somewhere, AND WHY!
Any one I missed? 10+ years and say 30+ fights or so?
AND hey...which guy do you SERIOUSLY think should hang 'em up!
hey you forgot to add John L Sullivan and jack johnson to your list,cause these to will come back from the grave and take a title before any of those guys do ;D
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Originally Posted by Lyle
Larry Donald should be a title holder right now!!! WBA title holder!!!!!
Joe Mesi ain't that old....and he hasn't been in half as many battles as the rest of those guys. I wish him the best but that head injury worries me. I wish he had already gotten a TITLE SHOT so he'd know how he compares to the best of the division.
Oliver McCall is dangerous but he won't get another shot.
John Ruiz will be the first out of that group to get another title shot...he has like one a year whether he deserves it or not.
Joe Mesi is a very nice guy, just top notch people.. I would like him to be cleared by the commision and allowed to continue fighting the D level competition in his hometown he can makea good living, hellan excellent living at that , he puts asses in seats , Joe has a huge hometown following . I don't want him in there with the big threats. He will get hurt.. Joe don't have anywhere near the skill level to contend with the top guys and he can get hit easy and hurt badly , he was never top tier fighter at his very best IMO . ! I think he would make a terrific commentator, he isvery articulate, and knowledgeable about the fight game ,
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I voted for McCall because all he needs is a couple lines and he'll knockout anyone....I swear he was jacked up when he beat Lennox, look at the fight he looked possessed. Staring down Lennox out of the corner and motioning him to come with it.Shoulda named him Oliver "eightball" McCall.
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Originally Posted by No Contest
I voted for McCall because all he needs is a couple lines and he'll knockout anyone....I swear he was jacked up when he beat Lennox, look at the fight he looked possessed. Staring down Lennox out of the corner and motioning him to come with it.Shoulda named him Oliver "eightball" McCall.
McCall is just an emotional guy to begin with. Last time I saw him, when he fought that Polish tatooed guy, he was damn near crying before he got into the ring, and was all tensed up and shaking and shat. He knocked the guy out, so I guess it works for him.
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Is anyone else having a tough time picking out who would get a belt first?... I kno i am. I mean, looking at 3 of the 4 champs right now
Valuev (other wise known as the abominal snow monster)
Briggs
Maskaev
I have at least 9 people on that list that I think could take a belt from the 3 current “champs” above. Its sad really, when I first saw this post I was like…”Holyfield !”, then I was like…”oh umm theres, rahman”, then I was like “crap, theres mcall” “oh boy, ruiz is there too, he could hug someone into submission”….. I struggled like this for awhile… And to be honest, a majority of the belts are up for grabs, and unless someone unifies we will see this for years to come.
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Originally Posted by MR T
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Originally Posted by landmine950
All of these guys are WarHorses!
Over 10 years and 30 fights! How long does a guy keep chasing the dream?
Some have seen the glory and want one more moment in the spotlight.
Some can't seen to understand that its over.
Who do you think on the list has the BEST shot at really doing something in the HW division? More than just fluking into a title somewhere, AND WHY!
Any one I missed? 10+ years and say 30+ fights or so?
AND hey...which guy do you SERIOUSLY think should hang 'em up!
hey you forgot to add John L Sullivan and jack johnson to your list,cause these to will come back from the grave and take a title before any of those guys do ;D
Take, or fight, for a title?
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Originally Posted by No Contest
I voted for McCall because all he needs is a couple lines and he'll knockout anyone....I swear he was jacked up when he beat Lennox, look at the fight he looked possessed. Staring down Lennox out of the corner and motioning him to come with it.Shoulda named him Oliver "eightball" McCall.
That's funny!
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Originally Posted by Big_Deuce
Is anyone else having a tough time picking out who would get a belt first?... I kno i am. I mean, looking at 3 of the 4 champs right now
Valuev (other wise known as the abominal snow monster)
Briggs
Maskaev
I have at least 9 people on that list that I think could take a belt from the 3 current “champs” above. Its sad really, when I first saw this post I was like…”Holyfield !”, then I was like…”oh umm theres, rahman”, then I was like “crap, theres mcall” “oh boy, ruiz is there too, he could hug someone into submission”….. I struggled like this for awhile… And to be honest, a majority of the belts are up for grabs, and unless someone unifies we will see this for years to come.
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My thoughts exactly..thats why I did the post....Much as we might liek to see all these guys go away. there's no one there pushing them all aside!
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Originally Posted by Tito_BHB
Toney ;)
Got the skills no doubt. BUT hasn't shown the ability against Ruiz,Rahman,Peter...I think his star has shone...
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CORRIE SANDERS is more likely than any of them. Power and size. And he has very few round wear (or sparring wear and tear) since he's stopped opponents very early.
I just wonder; what HW in their right mind would risk getting tagged by that left and lose it all? I dont think Wlad would be too eager to see if he can avoid that left all nite. Valuev got schooled by Corrie in sparring (rumour has it) and Briggs would not want to fight a very fast guy almost of his own size. I suppose if he could fool some top 10 to fight him by looking really BAD the next times? Although his last outing he blasted the Australian champ out in normal style.
Perhaps if he got to fight some contender; but what contender would fight him? I see a similar problem for McCall - who would take the risk to fight him?
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Originally Posted by landmine950
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Originally Posted by MR T
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Originally Posted by landmine950
All of these guys are WarHorses!
Over 10 years and 30 fights! How long does a guy keep chasing the dream?
Some have seen the glory and want one more moment in the spotlight.
Some can't seen to understand that its over.
Who do you think on the list has the BEST shot at really doing something in the HW division? More than just fluking into a title somewhere, AND WHY!
Any one I missed? 10+ years and say 30+ fights or so?
AND hey...which guy do you SERIOUSLY think should hang 'em up!
hey you forgot to add John L Sullivan and jack johnson to your list,cause these to will come back from the grave and take a title before any of those guys do ;D
Take, or fight, for a title?
take ur pick :o
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Originally Posted by MR T
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Originally Posted by landmine950
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Originally Posted by MR T
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Originally Posted by landmine950
All of these guys are WarHorses!
Over 10 years and 30 fights! How long does a guy keep chasing the dream?
Some have seen the glory and want one more moment in the spotlight.
Some can't seen to understand that its over.
Who do you think on the list has the BEST shot at really doing something in the HW division? More than just fluking into a title somewhere, AND WHY!
Any one I missed? 10+ years and say 30+ fights or so?
AND hey...which guy do you SERIOUSLY think should hang 'em up!
hey you forgot to add John L Sullivan and jack johnson to your list,cause these to will come back from the grave and take a title before any of those guys do ;D
Take, or fight, for a title?
take ur pick :o
I got $1000 says one of 'em fights for a title..
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Originally Posted by plinden
CORRIE SANDERS is more likely than any of them. Power and size. And he has very few round wear (or sparring wear and tear) since he's stopped opponents very early.
I just wonder; what HW in their right mind would risk getting tagged by that left and lose it all? I dont think Wlad would be too eager to see if he can avoid that left all nite. Valuev got schooled by Corrie in sparring (rumour has it) and Briggs would not want to fight a very fast guy almost of his own size. I suppose if he could fool some top 10 to fight him by looking really BAD the next times? Although his last outing he blasted the Australian champ out in normal style.
Perhaps if he got to fight some contender; but what contender would fight him? I see a similar problem for McCall - who would take the risk to fight him?
I kinda didn't include him cuz hes too legit..
But at 41-3 and fighting since '89 he fills the bill..
other than the Vitali loss..
a good fight against Rahman. Hard puncher,good size, did bulk up abit last fight..he only negative...born in 1966!! so he's 41....
other than that...hard to argue with ya...anyone else wanna?
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Originally Posted by plinden
CORRIE SANDERS is more likely than any of them. Power and size. And he has very few round wear (or sparring wear and tear) since he's stopped opponents very early.
I just wonder; what HW in their right mind would risk getting tagged by that left and lose it all? I dont think Wlad would be too eager to see if he can avoid that left all nite. Valuev got schooled by Corrie in sparring (rumour has it) and Briggs would not want to fight a very fast guy almost of his own size. I suppose if he could fool some top 10 to fight him by looking really BAD the next times? Although his last outing he blasted the Australian champ out in normal style.
Perhaps if he got to fight some contender; but what contender would fight him? I see a similar problem for McCall - who would take the risk to fight him?
I think the risk part of it is.."whats in it for me?"
thats why he needs to take on some of the otherguys on teh list, to buil;d legitamacy...If he beats 3 of them then who ever takes him on sort of beats them all as well....get it...I dunno why a top heavy would give him a shot otherwise!
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Corrie Sanders could have been a really good heavyweight if his training regimen didn't consist of 18 holes of golf in the morning and 18 more holes in the afternoon.
