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He was giving his thoughts on PBF Oscar and he said that if Oscar fought from the outside,stayed tall,he could win.He said Oscar should stay on the outside and use his timing.Can any of you guys elaborate? Wouldn't it be better for Oscar to get Floyd on the inside,use his size advantage and rough him up?
He is pretty much saying that DLH has to hit right when there is an opening.I think that DLH has to throw double jabs and counterpunch...an even then I still have Floyd winning UD.IMO...hooks won't work because Floyd rolls his shoulder and blocks right hooks with his glove.Body shots won't work b/c DLH will leave his head open a lot and mayweather holds his left arm by his mid-section.Unless DLH would be content with his hard shots landing on Floyds shoulders and forearms...I think that he has to counterpunch and work off of the double jab.
He might not have to stay on the outside as much as he just has to give Floyd different looks and not let Floyd get in any sort of rythym. However, I don't think the inside is the key to win the fight for Oscar because, well Floyd is the faster guy with the shorter punches and he can get out of there just as fast as the other guy came in. It will turn into a bull chasing a matador if he tries to keep the fight on the inside.
I think Oscar should stay on the outside for the most part and move side to side a lot and mix in his straight punches. And that's where I think the timing comes in because Floyd has to time the straight right behind the jab/left hook in order to win imo. Floyd more often then not makes the first punch miss but even if DLH misses with the lead, he has to follow it up. I think the straight right has the best chance of landing because it's a lot harder to slip a straight punch when it comes after something. And if opponents have been able to hit Floyd with anything, it's been the straight punches in the middle of a flurry. But you have to be able to time that right and I think that's what Atlas meant more then anything when he talked about timing.
He could have been talking about timing Floyd as he moves inside but Floyd is so good in transition I wouldn't think De La Hoya would have any sort of consistent success doing that.
Intriguing fight. Can't wait.
I personally have never seen floyd get hit with a straight right.If DLH stays on the outside, I think he is gonna get constantly beat to the punch.Remember, Floyd likes to take a studder step back and lead with a straight right.I just think that Floyd will be to quick for him whether it be moving,parrying, or countering.
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Originally Posted by Olympian904
Judah caught him a couple times with the straight left on the ropes. I think Floyd wins a lopsided UD and in all likelyhood Oscar doesn't land many punches but I'm just saying how I think DLH has to go about the fight.
As long as Oscar is busy then he has a shot...if he's weight drained and slow then he has no shot....I think once or twice they will get in a good exchange and if ODH connects then it spells trouble for Floyd!
That being said if Floyd fights smart (which is always his style as much as it may displease the fans) his defense is tight enough to keep almost anyone at bay.....I do think if Oscar gets the anger in him that he had when he brutalized Chavez then Floyd will be in danger defense or no
Yeah Oscar has to be busy. At first i was thinking he woulod have to swarm floyd but a) he's too old for that and b) he has a classy fighter, theres other ways that he can cope.
My idea of an Oscar victory would mainly be based ring generalship.
When his in, his in with 3 and 4's.... When his out, he's way out with Floyd looking for him.
Basically he has to dictate the pace and impress the judges with flurries.
I think if he does sort of what Hatton said he'll be well off. Ricky said to just touch Floyd when he first covers up and then after 2-3 light punches, unleash a couple hard shots....sounds good because Floyd always waits to throw counters.
I also think Oscar needs the left hook when Floyd throws his lead right cross...maybe throw it to the body even
Roach has said that DLH needs to build up his stamina a little more...so I don't think that he will be able to set the pace of the fight due to the fact that Floyd's stamina is unmatched.I agree that he may have to throw a lot of punches...BUT if he is not careful and just throws flurries...Floyd will roll,slip,and parry all night making himself look better in the judges eyes and frustrating DLH.DLH is a veteran though so who knows.
If he can, then thats all well and good. It would be interesting to see how Oscars stamina looks over the 12.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
I have serious doubts about Oscars Left hook though. I haven't seen Floyd hit with one more than three times in any fight ive seen him in.
Very nice analysis bro.CC.Quote:
Originally Posted by amat
That's the number 1 problem,Oscar has never been a great fighter as a pressure fighter. The first Mosley fight is a perfect example of that. He hasnt used a great double or triple jab for ages. His best weapon is the left hook,and Floyd,the astute student of the game that he is knows this and will nullify it. Oscar's right isn't particularly good imo. There's just too many things Oscar has to do,and at his age,with his inactivity,I just don't see it.
Oscar struggled to time Mosley for 24 rounds, I wonder how he's gonna time Floyd.
Yeah i missed that post, CC indeed.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Gamo
CC to the both of you in 24. I can't wait for this fight.
Tell me about it. Maybe its becasue the fights was signed so early but it this fights has been talked about everyday since december!
Yeah. At first I was kind of sceptacle on the whole thing. I didn't think the matchup meant much but...this fight has been a foregone conclusion since May basically when Oscar beat Mayorga. Usually fights sneak up on me and I'm sure this one will to once the time actually comes but time couldn't be moving any slower for it right now. And the more I watch both fighters the more things I see, really driving myself crazy. So many intangibles, anything could happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimboogie
That may have been the way to beat Floyd 6 years ago, but now that strategy would be useless.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Gamo
I think Oscar should get him on the ropes.....you can't let Floyd run because he's damned good at it.
Finding the way to beat Floyd is like finding the way to beat a prime Roy Jones....part of it's luck part of it's skill.....Oscar has enough skill and boxing knowledge to make his own luck
If Floyd doesnt want to be on the ropes NO one can keep him there(footwork is too great).If you do happen to have him on the ropes and you throw flurries...he just rolls and parrys them all day,which just makes his defense look that much better in the judges eyes.I agree that oscar has the skill and knowledge but so does floyd.He hasn't lost in 10 years(other than in the semi's at the olympics...he hasnt lost in about 15)
Baldomir got him on the ropes....he just couldn't do shit with him when he was there.
It really helps if the ref (whomever that may be) really lets them go at it and doesn't constantly warn for pushing or holding.
Oscar has to use his size to his advantage...the jab will also help
The only way I see ODLH winning is if he comes out every couple of rounds doing something different to keep Floyd guessing. I dont see that happening. As much as I hate to say it, I think PBF wins convincingly. I dont think ODLH has it in him any more to do what needs to be done against Floyd. Floyd has so much skill that no much is going to flusterate him.
Floyds quote"37 have tried...37 have failed".I personally dont want to see the Hattons and other fighters who hold more than 5 seconds...so I agree with the refs not letting it happen.I dont want to see a WWE match.Tybuff I think you hit the nail right on the head saying that DLH has to come out with something different every couple of rounds.The downfall is that if its not working he is gonna fall far behind in points.I just don't know what he has in his arsenal that no other fighter has been able to do against floyd.
Remind me, whose Floyd boxed with a better jab than Oscar
I dont think that the jab alone will win the fight for Oscar. At some point he has to throw something else. I know the jab can set everything else up, but I dont think the jab alone will bother Floyd.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scrap
remind me...where was DLH's jab in the Hopkins fight?
one thing ppl forget is mayweather is notjust fast but also has greattiming so wats ppls point
there point is to find any way possible to criticise him..its either
1.he hasnt fought anyone
2.Margo,Cotto,Hatton will knock him out
3.they hate that he feels that he is the best
I like Teddy 'cuz he's a real guy who's been there and done that
BUT he ain't the sharpest stick in the quiver!
Max Kellerman or Russ Anber have more smarts and polish than Teddy
BUT I still REALLY like HIM
#1 B-Hop was the naturally bigger fighterQuote:
Originally Posted by Olympian904
#2 Oscar did very well to get as far as he did seeing how he came from 130 to 160!
#3 B-Hop used Oscar's strategy to beat Trinidad....that is impressive
Nobody said his jab alone will win the fight. But Oscar, like Mosley and Quartey, has a very stiff jab that is able to inflict a good amount of damage. This of course can only set up a combo...I am 100% sure Oscar will miss BUT he will NOT miss everything he throws. Can floyd take a punch??? He hasn't proven this in my eyes.Quote:
Originally Posted by TyBuff
Let's remember when Oscar and Mosley fought, Mosley gave him a hard time NOT only because of speed but because of the fact that he can hit hard too. Floyd CANNOT hit as hard as Mosley, Trinidad, De La Hoya, etc...
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Originally Posted by Lyle
good point olymian904???????Quote:
Originally Posted by Olympian904
I love Teddy, but like yours truly he also picked Ricardo Mayorga to defeat Oscar Delahoya, so Oscar nut huggers, don't get too excited with Atlas's statements.
Jman you said that mayweather cant take a punch....He doesnt take many punches anyway.Mark my words...DLH is going to get schooled.
He hasn't fought anyone like DLH, Mosley,etc...so of course he hasn't been hit. He has no clue what a good hard counter punch is all about. I'm marking your words ;D...No way in hell DLH gets schooled, not by Floyd anyway. Let's try to understand what "schooling someone" means. De La Hoya SCHOOLED Trinidad, then he stopped throwing punches. Winky SCHOOLED and embarrassed Trinidad. Sugar Ray Leonard SCHOOLED many opponents. Mosley did NOT school Oscar, neither did Oscar school Mosley. Not even Hopkins schooled DLH, very few fighters can outbox Oscar. Can you truly say Mayweather will SCHOOL DLH ? REALLY...SERIOUSLY!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Olympian904
I just can't wait to see how Mayweather's reaction when he gets hit hard. Will he FALL? Will he RUN? Will he dare and get in an exchange?
LMAO, maybe one of the most important tools in boxing doesnt mean anything? ??? ???Quote:
Originally Posted by Olympian904
Why not it's those pitter patter shots that PBF relies on.Quote:
Originally Posted by TyBuff
Seriously do you expect him to FIGHT? It isn't his game. I hope PBF keeps calling Oscar out so he gets as fired up as he was fighting Mayorga.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jman76
Big duece...A jab is not going to win you a fight against PBF,its that simple.PBF has faced zab who had a fast jab,corley had a fast jab...so its not going to turn the tide of the fight.
And Jman...Its not going to be close.I give DLH 3 rounds at the most!He cant KO Floyd...and unless he has his best performance ever,he will not outpoint him.