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how to break through winky wrights defence ??
just watched tito vs wright amazing performance by wright tito didnt land one clean punch so i was wondering how hell do you get through that excellent defence do you go to the body ?? but isnt that leaving yourself open for wrights quick counter thoughts please on what type of fighter + what kind of strategy to get through that amazing defence
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Re: how to break through winky wrights defence ??
I'd say jab,hook,straight hand to the midsection.If you time it right it just may work.He holds his hands in a "peek a boo" type way, so he is gonna block the jab and the hook but won't be able to react fast enough for the straight mid-section punch.If you land it...I'd say switch it up to maybe jab,hook,hook,etc...just my opinion.
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Re: how to break through winky wrights defence ??
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
just watched tito vs wright amazing performance by wright tito didnt land one clean punch so i was wondering how hell do you get through that excellent defence do you go to the body ?? but isnt that leaving yourself open for wrights quick counter thoughts please on what type of fighter + what kind of strategy to get through that amazing defence
That fight flattered Winky cuz Tito was so rusty but yeah he looked so comfortable in that fight the way his hands covered his face and you could count on 1 hand how many times he got hit in the entire fight .
You can break through his defence though . Look at the fights with Simon and Vasquez. Taylor did a pretty good job aswel and even a washed up Ike Quartey found teh target clean afew times but he didnt have power up at middleweight . A fighter like Joe I reckon could get through his defence cuz he throws so many fast flurries that Winky would have to open up if he wanted to throw back or he'd be getting outworked all night
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Re: how to break through winky wrights defence ??
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Originally Posted by GAME
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
just watched tito vs wright amazing performance by wright tito didnt land one clean punch so i was wondering how hell do you get through that excellent defence do you go to the body ?? but isnt that leaving yourself open for wrights quick counter thoughts please on what type of fighter + what kind of strategy to get through that amazing defence
That fight flattered Winky cuz Tito was so rusty but yeah he looked so comfortable in that fight the way his hands covered his face and you could count on 1 hand how many times he got hit in the entire fight .
You can break through his defence though .
Look at the fights with Simon and Vasquez. Taylor did a pretty good job aswel and even a washed up Ike Quartey found teh target clean afew times but he didnt have power up at middleweight . A fighter like Joe I reckon could get through his defence cuz he throws so many fast flurries that Winky would have to open up if he wanted to throw back or he'd be getting outworked all night
cant get any footage of them fights sadly game :(
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Re: how to break through winky wrights defence ??
The Simon & Vasquez fights are bad examples because Wright hadn't perfected his defensive style at that time.
The best fight to look at is the Taylor fight...but that performance is more aiken to the Simon fight & the Vasquez fight because Wright fought trying to show out & gain some fans.
Wright needs to stick to his defensive posture. His gloves up & his elbows locked at his waist...it's damned near impossible to get through unless he fights a different fight.
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Re: how to break through winky wrights defence ??
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
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Originally Posted by GAME
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
just watched tito vs wright amazing performance by wright tito didnt land one clean punch so i was wondering how hell do you get through that excellent defence do you go to the body ?? but isnt that leaving yourself open for wrights quick counter thoughts please on what type of fighter + what kind of strategy to get through that amazing defence
That fight flattered Winky cuz Tito was so rusty but yeah he looked so comfortable in that fight the way his hands covered his face and you could count on 1 hand how many times he got hit in the entire fight .
You can break through his defence though .
Look at the fights with Simon and Vasquez. Taylor did a pretty good job aswel and even a washed up Ike Quartey found teh target clean afew times but he didnt have power up at middleweight . A fighter like Joe I reckon could get through his defence cuz he throws so many fast flurries that Winky would have to open up if he wanted to throw back or he'd be getting outworked all night
cant get any footage of them fights sadly game :(
Sorry I cant return the favour like you did with those heavyweight vids a while back cuz my stuff is on video not on my comp
Against Vasquez he was floored 5 times enroute to getting beaten but that was a long time ago and isnt really relevant anymore . Against Simon though he kept switching from head to body and Wright couldnt block all those. The commentators didnt think Simon could keep up the workrate but he could. Wright was knocked out his rythm and had to fight out his skin just to be on even terms with Simon . He took many shots that night but the question is who is out there now that fights like Simon who can do that to Winky . Vargas hit him often enough to convince the judges atleast
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The simon fight was wierd.Simon fights in a akward way and throws punches from odd angles...but i thought winky adapted well and won just about all of the rounds.The Vasquez fight...I thought without all of the "slips" could have maybe been a split decision for Vasquez(But a close one).A lot of fighters can land punches on Winky ie:Taylor,Ike,etc....but for every punch landed he normally counters with 2-3 that are right on target.The flurries really dont score b/c they are landing dead on the gloves.
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Dont try and break it down touch it.
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Re: how to break through winky wrights defence ??
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Originally Posted by GAME
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
just watched tito vs wright amazing performance by wright tito didnt land one clean punch so i was wondering how hell do you get through that excellent defence do you go to the body ?? but isnt that leaving yourself open for wrights quick counter thoughts please on what type of fighter + what kind of strategy to get through that amazing defence
That fight flattered Winky cuz Tito was so rusty but yeah he looked so comfortable in that fight the way his hands covered his face and you could count on 1 hand how many times he got hit in the entire fight .
You can break through his defence though . Look at the fights with Simon and Vasquez. Taylor did a pretty good job aswel and even a washed up Ike Quartey found teh target clean afew times but he didnt have power up at middleweight . A fighter like Joe I reckon could get through his defence cuz he throws so many fast flurries that Winky would have to open up if he wanted to throw back or he'd be getting outworked all night
I agree. Its always gonna be a numbers game against someone with a tight defence.
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There are two ways to beat Winky
#1 the most difficult, if you're a power puncher and you have stamina you pull a Rocky Marciano and beat the shit out of his arms so he can't hold them up.....but you have to get past his counter 1-2
#2 The smart way....make him chase you, make him lead, and counter him and you have to be very quick and switch the angles up very fast
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There are two ways to beat Winky
#1 the most difficult, if you're a power puncher and you have stamina you pull a Rocky Marciano and beat the S*** out of his arms so he can't hold them up.....but you have to get past his counter 1-2
#2 The smart way....make him chase you, make him lead, and counter him and you have to be very quick and switch the angles up very fast
Id say #2 is the most difficult as he's in your face all the time anyway. If you could draw his lead that would work, provided you had a tight defence yourself.
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Cotto back punches should make him think twice about his cover-up
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I don't know, conventially, and uppercut between the forearms up the middle is the best way to split a guard, but Winky's is so tight and fighters hate to do that because he is such a sharp counter puncher.
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Re: how to break through winky wrights defence ??
Well Winky stands up so straight I doubt you could land an uppercut on him.
I think it's all angles...you have to move to one side and hope you can throw a hook inbetween the guard and land a cross behind it as he tightens up to block the hook.
Going to the body is hard because his elbows are down there, but it's where you would figure to draw attention away from his guard up top.
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Soliman got through a number of times and nearly stole the show!
I know Soliman is unorthodox but maybe that's what you have to be to break down Winky's defence.
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Soliman was outclassed.His stamina was pretty impressive though
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u have to have good timing catch him when hes open speed and timing also fainting punches get him t tur just the right way and boom
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Soliman got through a number of times and nearly stole the show!
I know Soliman is unorthodox but maybe that's what you have to be to break down Winky's defence.
The funny thing is...people actually believe that Soliman was effective against Wright...& that aint funny...it's hillarious. Soliman broke the middleweight compu-box record by throwing 1260 total punches...but throwing don't mean jack shit when you can't land 'em.
Out of those 100+ punches that he threw per round...Soliman missed more than 1,000 of them. That's factual numbers also.
Wright outlanded him 300-174 in punches.
Now who was effective & who wasn't? Just because you look good throwing an assload of punches...well that don't make it so.
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Originally Posted by lance Uppercut
Cotto back punches should make him think twice about his cover-up
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Originally Posted by lance Uppercut
Cotto back punches should make him think twice about his cover-up
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
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Originally Posted by glennf
Soliman got through a number of times and nearly stole the show!
I know Soliman is unorthodox but maybe that's what you have to be to break down Winky's defence.
The funny thing is...people actually believe that Soliman was effective against Wright...& that aint funny...it's hillarious. Soliman broke the middleweight compu-box record by throwing 1260 total punches...but throwing don't mean jack S*** when you can't land 'em.
Out of those 100+ punches that he threw per round...Soliman missed more than 1,000 of them. That's factual numbers also.
Wright outlanded him 300-174 in punches.
Now who was effective & who wasn't? Just because you look good throwing an assload of punches...well that don't make it so.
You are correct of course with the stats but Soliman sure looked good and made an entertaining fight of it. Betcha Winky wants no part of Soliman again though. Winky doesn't waste a shot which is the differance in class.
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Originally Posted by Scrap
Dont try and break it down touch it.
Bait him a bit with a light fast jab , and when he takes it! be ready to counter the counter ! 8) the purpose is not too bust through the defense or knock down the door per say , rather let him to open up the front door on his own . the cagy bastard ! 8) cc scrap !
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Originally Posted by Lords Gym
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Originally Posted by Scrap
Dont try and break it down touch it.
Bait him a bit with a light fast jab , and when he takes it! be ready to counter the counter ! 8) the purpose is not too bust through the defense or knock down the door per say , rather let him to open up the front door on his own . the cagy B****** ! 8)
i love scraps sayings ;D
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Re: how to break through winky wrights defence ??
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
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Originally Posted by Lords Gym
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Originally Posted by Scrap
Dont try and break it down touch it.
Bait him a bit with a light fast jab , and when he takes it! be ready to counter the counter ! 8) the purpose is not too bust through the defense or knock down the door per say , rather let him to open up the front door on his own . the cagy B****** ! 8)
i love scraps sayings ;D
I Love the guy ! Truly an amazing man ! The wisdom. What you want to do is sit back and really listen to what he has to say, he does not speak often, but when he does you will be wise to lend an ear ! cc Ice Cold
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Re: how to break through winky wrights defence ??
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Originally Posted by Lords Gym
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
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Originally Posted by Lords Gym
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Originally Posted by Scrap
Dont try and break it down touch it.
Bait him a bit with a light fast jab , and when he takes it! be ready to counter the counter ! 8) the purpose is not too bust through the defense or knock down the door per say , rather let him to open up the front door on his own . the cagy B****** ! 8)
i love scraps sayings ;D
I Love the guy ! Truly an amazing man ! The wisdom. What you want to do is sit back and really listen to what he has to say, he does not speak often, but when he does you will be wise to lend an ear ! cc Ice Cold
:coolclick: scrap is one of my favourite posters here i had never even heard of charles burley until scrap brought it to my attention very knowledgeable guy
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Re: how to break through winky wrights defence ??
I'd say "your shoe is untied", then catch him with an uppercut, when he looks down.
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I think the more Winky moves up in weight,the more vulnerable he will be. There's only so much of a battering a guy can take on the arms and with his average power,the bigger stronger guys will be aplying more pressure. I think Calazghe could bust through with his volume and power. I like your analysis LG,great thinking!!!! I'd love to see a Pantera or Pavlik,I think they could take Winky's power and with their freakish power,I think they could bust through the guard and hurt Winky.
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Re: how to break through winky wrights defence ??
You have to use angles and throw lots of punches. You cant come strait in on him because he will block your punches with his forearms. Most guys will eventually drop their hands enough for you to land solid punches (especially as a fight goes on) but not Winky. Sam Soliman was somewhat sucessful because he used angles and made Winky work at an high pace.
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Volume and angles....it is not that hard to figure out...Problem is you have to be able to substain your attack and not let up...Once you lose your rythm you might as well start over....Wrights defence is in the top 5 of all time IMO.....It has made him world champion,,,Rich and when he retires will assure him of a long life after the sport with no complications due to abuse...Hell if I was a fighter I wouldn't be worried about how to get through I would be more inclined on how to copy it
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Originally Posted by BoomBoom
You have to use angles and throw lots of punches. You cant come strait in on him because he will block your punches with his forearms. Most guys will eventually drop their hands enough for you to land solid punches (especially as a fight goes on) but not Winky. Sam Soliman was somewhat sucessful because he used angles and made Winky work at an high pace.
No offence Boom...but how do people think that Soliman was even somewhat sucessful landing only 17% of his punches?
Sure Soliman looked busy throwing 100+ punches in a round...but hardly any of that 100+ found a home anywhere but on forearms & elbows.
Taylor would be the only one to be considered sucessful against Wright lately.
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
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Originally Posted by BoomBoom
You have to use angles and throw lots of punches. You cant come strait in on him because he will block your punches with his forearms. Most guys will eventually drop their hands enough for you to land solid punches (especially as a fight goes on) but not Winky. Sam Soliman was somewhat sucessful because he used angles and made Winky work at an high pace.
No offence Boom...but how do people think that Soliman was even somewhat sucessful landing only 17% of his punches?
Sure Soliman looked busy throwing 100+ punches in a round...but hardly any of that 100+ found a home anywhere but on forearms & elbows.
Taylor would be the only one to be considered sucessful against Wright lately.
Yeah Taylor was doing well in spots , I would say Quartey had some positive things going also, It's just Ike was a bit too small... he had the right idea though. I really enjoyed the Wright - Quartey fight , both guys had nice output and good sustain over the course of the match ! O0
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Id bash the fuck out of his right knee with my left knee its that knee what causes everybody so much trouble akward cunt, I love him.
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Originally Posted by Scrap
Id bash the F*** out of his right knee with my left knee its that knee what causes everybody so much trouble akward c***, I love him.
;D
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Re: how to break through winky wrights defence ??
A GUN ?
THAT WUD WORK .
LOL
Yea winky has a great defence
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Re: how to break through winky wrights defence ??
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
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Originally Posted by BoomBoom
You have to use angles and throw lots of punches. You cant come strait in on him because he will block your punches with his forearms. Most guys will eventually drop their hands enough for you to land solid punches (especially as a fight goes on) but not Winky. Sam Soliman was somewhat sucessful because he used angles and made Winky work at an high pace.
No offence Boom...but how do people think that Soliman was even somewhat sucessful landing only 17% of his punches?
Sure Soliman looked busy throwing 100+ punches in a round...but hardly any of that 100+ found a home anywhere but on forearms & elbows.
Taylor would be the only one to be considered sucessful against Wright lately.
Dont get me wrong, it wasnt a close fight imo but when he threw 3 or 4 punches at a time the last one seemed to get though. It will get you through his defence, but it wont win you the fight......and Winky got robbed vs. Taylor imo but Taylor was succesful using his jab at times
