Miranda will KO Jermain Taylor

Jermain may be a sound, skilled boxer..

.. but jump all over him and hurt him and he will be stopped - i feel Pantera has the crude determination to get a win over him.

Edison Miranda has the testosterone of a tomcat with 3 testicles - and given a decent venue with a neutral ref, could beat up JT pretty badly. Especially given JT's low left.

Hell if 'lil Kasim Ouma can dent him hard and often, then i'm sure Miranda can do the bizz.

What you guys think? i'd wager JT wins the first couple of rounds before running like the wind...

....and you accuse other posters of "pole smoking"....sounds to me like you found a pole to smoke

I really don't think so. Ouma hits everyone because he doesn't load up on every punch and he throws a lot of arm punches. Sometimes he doesn't even pull his arms back to his body before throwing.

JT is well schooled, he has good footwork and I don't think he would stay in one spot long enough for Miranda to catch up to him. Miranda does have a pretty good right that really came out last night but I don't think he's ready for a solid, smart straight punching fighter just yet.

Let Miranda face Pavlik and a couple more before he gets in the ring with Taylor. It would be a frustrating night for Miranda if he went straight for Taylor. Taylor may not have impressed in his last few fights, but he's been facing the best of the best. I think a wild straight forward fighter would be just what JT needs to get some of the haters off his back.

Not to say I don't like Miranda, he just isn't ready.

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Originally Posted by Lyle

....and you accuse other posters of "pole smoking"....sounds to me like you found a pole to smoke

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Hey dont pick on me dude!

I always defend you!

Just the other day, some other posters were saying how they saw you walking down the street eating a bacon, lettuce, tomato and 13inch penis sandwich and i said "bull crapp, Lyle don't like bacon, lettuce or tomato"

Tuff call.

Taylor can't do jack on the back foot while Miranda seems to rarely lull.

It all depends on which Taylor shows up to fight...or maybe there's only one Taylor now...the stuttering Stanley Taylor...if that's the case...Miranda will have a hard fight on his hand but will end up TKO'ing Taylor.

i would love to see this fight. last night was the first time i saw Miranda and i liked what i saw but i'm sure he would beat taylor.

Kassim ouma gave him hell and shut his eye after 12 rounds... Miranda will out-muscle the spineless one ;D

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Originally Posted by CityOfGod

Kassim ouma gave him hell and shut his eye after 12 rounds... Miranda will out-muscle the spineless one ;D

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Ouma is an inside fighter thats where he's most effective, Miranda brings all his shots from the outside.

There's a big difference there.

Taylor would pick Miranda apart.

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Originally Posted by CityOfGod

Kassim ouma gave him hell and shut his eye after 12 rounds... Miranda will out-muscle the spineless one ;D

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i wouldn't call someone who took fights with Hopkins and Winky spineless..

Miranda would be trianed to fight Taylor a little differently than against Green. I think we would see a less aggressive Miranda and more fighting on the inside. Taylor likes to fight going backwards, and that is what he would be expecting. I hope it happens soon, but for now Miranda vs Pavlik is looking like it will happen. I am really looking forward to Pavlik getting KTFO!

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Originally Posted by CityOfGod

Kassim ouma gave him hell and shut his eye after 12 rounds... Miranda will out-muscle the spineless one ;D

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Did you watch his fight against Allan green last weekend?? You want to talk about a spineless one... Yeesh, if Miranda couldn't have used these bullrush tactics your suggesting and stopped Green, I have a hard time seeing how he would do so against Taylor, who is much much better than Allan Green, although he does have his flaws. I feel Taylor would just outbox Miranda. It would be a good fight, but Taylor has alot more to keep Edison off of him than Green does, and yet Allan was still basically able to do so for most rounds, forcing a very dull uneventful fight. Jermain would simply have to do the same thing, only throw his jab and the 1-2 regularly. I see no reason why he couldn't do this. To me, Miranda looked very very beatable against Green.. He was there to be outboxed, Green simply fought scared and didn't throw anything. Granted he was reluctant to taste Mirandas power, but he had endless openings to safely land the jab and he would just kind of flick it out there then run away. Basically I would expect a somewhat dull Taylor win if these two fought.. Though Jermain could stop him late imo.

I see Taylor winning this one. People talk about Miranda KO'ing everybody as if he is some kind of invincible terminator but he has little skill and his own chin is questionable.

I've only seen his fights since Eastman but he had rocky moments against Eastman, Abraham and Green.

Really I think Jeff Lacy is better than Miranda, slightly less one punch power, but a better boxer and a better chin.

Miranda is the type of fighter who looks great as long as he is winning, but once he gets in there with a boxer who isn't afraid of him, and who can capitalise on his weaknesses he is getting knocked out.

And once he's been stopped once he will be softened up for the future.

By the end of his career Miranda will have been knocked out at least 3 times, and if he has a long career maybe 5 or 6.

No way Taylor is way better than Miranda.

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Originally Posted by p4pking

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Originally Posted by CityOfGod

Kassim ouma gave him hell and shut his eye after 12 rounds... Miranda will out-muscle the spineless one ;D

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Did you watch his fight against Allan green last weekend?? You want to talk about a spineless one... Yeesh, if Miranda couldn't have used these bullrush tactics your suggesting and stopped Green, I have a hard time seeing how he would do so against Taylor, who is much much better than Allan Green, although he does have his flaws. I feel Taylor would just outbox Miranda. It would be a good fight, but Taylor has alot more to keep Edison off of him than Green does, and yet Allan was still basically able to do so for most rounds, forcing a very dull uneventful fight. Jermain would simply have to do the same thing, only throw his jab and the 1-2 regularly. I see no reason why he couldn't do this. To me, Miranda looked very very beatable against Green.. He was there to be outboxed, Green simply fought scared and didn't throw anything. Granted he was reluctant to taste Mirandas power, but he had endless openings to safely land the jab and he would just kind of flick it out there then run away. Basically I would expect a somewhat dull Taylor win if these two fought.. Though Jermain could stop him late imo.

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PFP you know we seldom disagree about anything, but this one we are worlds apart as far as Taylor goes, I like Jermain for his heart and ballz he's just like Lacy and Miranda he will fight anyone, anytime, anywhere and thats rare these days..


I feel No one has exposed Taylor, but Taylor has exposed himself... He has abandoned the money punch that got him to the big dance.. HIS JAB, he had one of the best in the Biz but it is non existent now... He has a propensity to waste punches and energy because of a controled wildness that he hasnt improved on... I also feel like Steward hasnt done a thing to improve Jermain albeit 2 fights, still Jermain looked wild and undisciplined as well as lost in some moments of the Winky and Ouma fights...

I 'm starting to think he caught Bhop at the right time with his age and youthful energy and I think his physical strength and athleticism saw him thru the Winky draw.....

Bilbo said something to the effect on another thread that it was a matter of time that a long punishing night was awaiting Miranda, on the Contrary I think that will be Jermains fate.... He hasnt improved and just looks like the same fighter that was labeled a prospect a couple years ago :-\

First off though, Taylor has fought Hopkins twice, and Winky. Two legends of the sport, who would also likely SEVERELY embaress Miranda if one were to fight him. I just don't see anything Miranda has done/shown that Taylor hasn't, and he hasn't fought the same kind of opposisition by a long shot. I feel, like I explained, that Miranda showed enough weakness against Green to give Taylor a shit load to work with. Ill admit he has abandoned the jab a bit, but let's not forget it's a bit different landing your jab against Hopkins or Winky than it would be to do so against Miranda.. Allan Green was able to repeatedly land the jab against Edison, he didn't put anything on it, and was scared shitless to engage, but there were tons of openings... Miranda is just too easy to hit when he tries to box from the outside, Taylor would hve to be crazy not to throw his jab. Mirandas best chance would be to bumrush Taylor and try to get him on the inside, but I think Taylor would land his right hand when he was coming in... People try to criticize Taylor for his performance against Ouma, but I don't think Miranda could take the same right hands that Ouma was, personally.. Kassim is just a tough mofo plain and simple, it's hard to be impressive when your a power puncher like Taylor and the guy in front of you has no problem taking your money punch(a straight right) and wants to be right inside all night.. You can say Taylor is the same fighter he was a couple years ago and you may well be right... But I don't exactly see any improvements Miranda has made.. Neither of them are much different then they were a couple years ago, I just think Taylor was the better fighter then, just as he is now. That and the fact that Taylor has much more room to improve and execute a game plan imo. Miranda is the raw fighter, who isn't going to change his style. Jermain could, we'll just have to see.

Lets see...Miranda gets knocked down by a zombie like Green but he will have no problems beating Taylor?! I have nothing against Miranda...he has relentless style and is a big puncher. But he is still unpolished. He needs to continue to develop before some people think he will simply knockout and beat anyone he fights. I will admit...Taylor has lost his way in recent fights. He has to some extent abandoned his jab and seems to be trying to find a style for himself. But the man is a great athlete and boxer. He has faced Hopkins and Wright...and Ouma is a scrappy, tough fighter. It's not easy to look fantastic against those guys.

Miranda is hot !

I like Taylor though , but is he a lazy fuker ?

He seems to be one of the most natural punchers in the game i love the way he punches doesnt load up he just shells you . His lazy right hand is just beautifull the way he popped Winkys head back .

He is a counter puncher when Winky forced the fight ( uncharecteristicly ) he was getting countered and hurt badly i remember thinking if Taylor steps on the gas now he will win it !!

Against Ouma i thought much the same he generates so much power with out a great deal of movement in his legs of body if he had grapsed the fight in the way a Mirinda would have he'd have stopped Kassim Ouma in 6.

Mirinda is sometimes very open but there is a difference he can hurt you from the outside and he has power and handspeedhe'd give Jermain Taylor trouble no doubt !

If i had to put my house on it id say Taylor has the power and Skill to open EM up but EM has the will and the guts and drive to make it his fight .

Alot to weigh up EM business and Power coming at you for 12 against Taylors big right and clever skills .

Hmm motivation is Taylor in love with the sport ?

Miranda is good but he is not on the level of JT. JT is well more than battle tested. He is a big strong middleweight who will test the chin of anyone. Miranda can not be getting hit by Taylor the way he was from Green, that is whenever Green decided to throw. Miranda is winning against 2nd and 3rd tier fighters. But his sloppiness will defeat him when he steps up to the 1st tier fighters. You have to have more than just power against the top class boxers. He is really still very raw in technique. Besides, Miranda's power is not some overwhelming one punch power. He throws a lot of loaded rights that Green saw coming way too many times. He should've gotten Green out of there before the championships rounds. Green's chin is more suspect than a fugitive. Miranda needs to be able to mix it up with a better variety of punches and not just come straight line in. He is asking to getting knocked on his way in and that would not be good against a big puncher. I wish Miranda well and am glad he beat Green, who is an arrogant done nothing spectacular yet loud mouth, but I wish he would've been able to land more solid shots.

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Originally Posted by CityOfGod

Kassim ouma gave him hell and shut his eye after 12 rounds... Miranda will out-muscle the spineless one ;D

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Dude did u watch the Ouma fight? Taylor LIT him up. I gave Ouma props for staying on his feet, thats it. Like was said before, the guy just throws non stop non power punches so of course he connects, JT was probly willin to walk through a few to get to him to land some of the big fuckin punches that he whalloped off of Kasim's head. I forgot why they call him Bad Intentions till I saw that fight. Fuck, that is really a bad example of how JT is a lacking fighter. I think he would pick Miranda apart at this point and wouldnt let him get to him with the jab and the straight right just blasting the columbian's head apart till he finally fell. U saw how Green connected with several clean shots and hurt him. Miranda has no defense and has to load for his big shots meaning standing in one place for Jermaine Taylor's "bad intentions" to rain down on him. Edison is exciting and it would be cool to see it happen cuz im sure it would be an exciting fight. but M.E. is in no way ready yet defensively for a Jermaine Taylor. it would not even be close.

Well, even though people say Green fought a scared fight, Miranda's face sure didnt look like it.

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Originally Posted by P.G.H Angel Eyes

Well, even though people say Green fought a scared fight, Miranda's face sure didnt look like it.

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Exactly. And Green did fight a scared fight don't get me wrong... But every time he decided to throw even a half ass little jab, it would connect on Miranda. THe guy is wayyy to wide open at this point.. And if Miranda showed reluctancy to bully his way inside and unload on Green, why would he be so eager to do this against Taylor?? Especially after tasting his shots..

I think it would be a great fight. JT is better technically but he still backs straight up and his defence isn't all that great,he makes quiet a few errors,but has been able to get away with them against a smaller Winky and Ouma and an older B Hop,whereas with someone young and strong like Pantera,he would not be able to get out of tight spots by using just his sheer brute force.
Miranda is very very raw but his power in either hand is awesome. Miranda's also good with his right as a counter punch which could be useful v JT. I don't know about koing JT and Taylor would be a favourite but Pantera would DEFINITELY be a challenge.

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Originally Posted by El Gamo

I think it would be a great fight. JT is better technically but he still backs straight up and his defence isn't all that great,he makes quiet a few errors,but has been able to get away with them against a smaller Winky and Ouma and an older B Hop,whereas with someone young and strong like Pantera,he would not be able to get out of tight spots by using just his sheer brute force.
Miranda is very very raw but his power in either hand is awesome. Miranda's also good with his right as a counter punch which could be useful v JT. I don't know about koing JT and Taylor would be a favourite but Pantera would DEFINITELY be a challenge.

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To say that he could get away with backing straight up againsta smaller Winky, and an older Bhop, is selling them both a bit short, don't you think? Makes it sound like you think Mirandas a better fighter than either of them. He isn't, he'd lose to both, or at least in the case of Hopkins would have lost to the BHop that fought Taylor. How did Allan Green "get away" with backing straight up against Miranda for the entire fight ??? He barely threw anything most rounds, and Miranda did little to close the distance or impose himself, instead he just won the rights barely by throwing a few more straight right hands than Green did jabs.. Don't think you understand how much more effective Winky is at applying pressure and staying covered at the same time than Miranda.... It's not even close. Winky would absolutely school Pantera, it would be a mismatch. Like someone else said, I think the shots Taylor landed on both Winky and Ouma would hurt Miranda badly, and Taylor would have alot more room to throw his best punches, seeing how Miranda sat on the outside so often against Green seemingly reluctant to be hit by the jab. Im not saying Miranda isn't a good, exciting fighter, but I think he's being overrated quite a bit on this board in terms of his ability to box. He's very open.

??? How is that selling them short? JT was younger,bigger and stronger than B Hop at that stage in career and he was much bigger than both Ouma and Winky,think you need to re read that there! B Hop didn't throw anything,(and he kept going on and on and on about JT's technical fallacies),Winky would come forward,but get pushed back easily and Ouma just took the punches without landing his own. Pantera is a mixture. He will get hit but he'll also land on JT too.Mirandas is not a better fighter than the aforementioned,but he is certainly bigger and stronger and hits harder than any of them,easily. And Miranda would have a different mindset v Taylor than he did v Green and it's not as if JT will be reluctant to fight back.

Like I said,JT would be favourite but Miranda would give him something different to deal with,an equaliser,that awesome power.JT has not faced anything like it thus far.