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Thoughts on Miranda Now
I have to say that Miranda again showed what he is as a fighter, a brawler that has limited boxing skills. I now see people saying he got knocked down because he got his feet tangled, well that is the problem with him I have been commenting on for some time. His footwork sucks and he is often off balance. Give whatever excuse you want but the fact is he got knocked down by Green a super middleweight that dropped too much weight and was weaker than he thought he would be at that weight.
Oh and lets talk about the great power of Miranda, especially on a guy that most on here and other boards was saying had a glass chin. The thing I thought highly of with Miranda before the fight I believe is suspect now, is his power real or is it hyped because of his competition, other than Eastman which I thought was a quick stoppage, who has he KO'd in his last 7 fights no one of merit. Other than the 10th round he never seriously hurt Green, other than the rabbit punches or low blows. I also watched the 1st knockdown in slow motion and he hit Green with 3 of 10 punches he threw. This is another I have been saying for some time, he is a very inaccurate puncher especially when he feels the other fighter is in trouble, he becomes more wild. Watch the stoppage against Eastman and see the amount of punches that really landed.
I am more confident now than I was after Miranda's last fight that Kelly Pavlik will beat him. He lacks any real boxing skills, is more times than not very off balance, only trying to land the big punch, and gets hit a lot. He had big swelling on both eyes from getting hit by Green. I feel Green has slight bit better boxing skills than Pavlik but not by much and he does not have nearly the power that Pavlik does.
Pavlik in a KO by the 6th, the only thing that will change that is if Miranda learns to fight with balance, becomes less wild, and learns some boxing skills over the next few months. I believe none of this is possible, a leopard can not change his spots, Miranda is who Miranda is a brawler that had a hard life and is entertaining, this does not make lasting champions.
One last thing, I lost some respect for him because he stated that he wanted to stay unbeaten, he still cannot give credit Abraham on his win. The guy beat him with a broken jaw, be a man and move on. Miranda you have lost and you need to accept it, you fought a dirty fight and lost points because of it. It was no different than the Green fight, points should have been deducted from Miranda for some of his dirty tactics but he was in PR and the ref did not deduct any points.
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I really like Miranda for his heart and determination, and his personal backstory but honestly as world talent I'd put him behind Jeff Lacy.
HBO are hyping him up to be some kind of monster in the division but honestly he's just an average fighter, with loads of natural strength and a big heart.
He's kind of like an in shape Sam Peter, but whereas Peter fights in a division boasting less talent than a Newcastle brothel Miranda will have to compete against some of the top p4p fighters in the world.
In my opinion Taylor, Hopkins, Wright, Pavlick, Abraham, Calzaghe, Kessler, Andrade, Froch, Bute, Mundine, Dawson all beat him with several fighters having a chance to knock him out.
If he fights Pavlick next I'd fancy Pavlick to stop him inside the distance or if not give him a Calzaghe/Lacy style beatdown.
An entertaining fighter but not one of the world's best.
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Miranda i think can beat Taylor by stoppage
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Originally Posted by bilbo
I really like Miranda for his heart and determination, and his personal backstory but honestly as world talent I'd put him behind Jeff Lacy.
HBO are hyping him up to be some kind of monster in the division but honestly he's just an average fighter, with loads of natural strength and a big heart.
He's kind of like an in shape Sam Peter, but whereas Peter fights in a division boasting less talent than a Newcastle brothel Miranda will have to compete against some of the top p4p fighters in the world.
In my opinion Taylor, Hopkins, Wright, Pavlick, Abraham, Calzaghe, Kessler, Andrade, Froch, Bute, Mundine, Dawson all beat him with several fighters having a chance to knock him out.
If he fights Pavlick next I'd fancy Pavlick to stop him inside the distance or if not give him a Calzaghe/Lacy style beatdown.
An entertaining fighter but not one of the world's best.
Quoted for truth, i couldnt say it any better
I also liked seeing Allan Green get punked off too :)
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That boy is a Monster!!! Not to mention he showed a decent jab and head movement, He was also disciplined enough to keep his right hand glued to his head to defend against Green's left hook... Trash the kid all you want the truth is he keeps improving everyfight and showed controlled aggression against Green, instead of jumping all over him with an unbridled attack... You can definetly see some matureity in this fight...
Miranda has alot better technical skill than Sam Peter ::** and all you who think he dosent have the goods are seriously mistaken, Jermain Taylor hasnt scored a Ko in years and couldnt put away a natural 147 pounder gets gassed and has a bad punch selection and totally abandoned his weapon that got him to the dance and thats his jab Taylor aint Ko'ing Miranda period!!!, if you say Miranda is limited than that goes exactly the same for the Undisputed linear Middleweight Champion of the World, sorry to say but Miranda would have Taylor Counting ceiling tiles...
Guys are way to critical, It was good that Miranda went the distance and got some rounds in, again NO ONE, looks good against a gunshy opponent that is constantly backing up throwing 1 punch at a time and then grabbing your head I DONT CARE WHAT ANYONE SAYS, Miranda fought a perfect fight didnt expand to much energy and showed a balanced attack, again I cant stress it enough how impressed I was with Edison showing great restraint and picking his spots and not getting overly frustrated with Greens passive style...
I honestly believe that John David Jackson and Allen Green figured Miranda would come out Tysonesque and throw caution to the wind winging away carelessly and thought if he could withstand the barrage Miranda would tire himself out from frustration, well when Miranda never tired and stayed controlled they knew they were screwed...
And as far as in being only a 10 round fight NO ONE AND I MEAN NO ONE who was a pure boxing fan would have figured it would have gone the distance, hell with conventional wisdom they could have made it a 6 round fight and no one would have figured it would go the distance....
Miranda is world class and will be just fine, wouldn't be suprised if he was undisputed middleweight champ by the end of the summer,thats if Dibella wants to put his bread and butter in with Pantera... It wouldn't be pretty I cantell you that ;)
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Miranda is a very good and strong fighter.Unpolished but strong. I think a fighter like Bernard Hopkins would be his only downfall. He makes too many small mistakes for a very skilled fighter like Bernard. Overplay his Right hand and make him beat you with his Left. Bernard would pick him APART. fortunatly he doesnt have to fight him so I think he has a good chance at being a CHAMP. Joe C would beat him also.
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just watched fight with miranda vs green and still not too sure about miranda i agree with everyone above but green did nothing in miranda fight he just threw one jab at time only time he done something was when he got knock down miranda has heart determination he keeps his hands too low though sometimes for my liking but we will see in future
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How anyone can question Miranda's power is beyond me. Green talked so much trash coming in to this fight and as soon as he got hit in the first round he did nothing but back-peddle for the remainder of the fight. It is easy to say that Green has a glass chin and that he was weaker due to coming down in weight. The fact is that Miranda also went up in weight to face green. Loss of power is just as likely when a fighter moves up as when he moves down.
Weight issues aside Miranda staggered green numerous times throughout the fight. Think about it, how many times did you see Pantera holding Green or trying to tie him up? If you said none, you'd be right. Miranda stayed busy and was looking to trade the entire night.
I agree he may not be the most polished guy in the world but seriously what more can you ask for as a fight fan than a guy aggressively going for the knockout even though he knows he has the fight sewn up? If that were Hopkins or Mayweather you'd be asleep by the 12th round.
As a Miranda fan I was actually a little nervous that Green might get lucky and land something because Pantera never backed down for a second. Green stated that all Miranda had was a punchers chance in this fight. Well from the looks of it Green didn't even have that!
If the final three minutes didn't convince you that Miranda is the most exciting fighter in the sport, I don't know what will. The fight could have easily ended in a TKO. If the ref had stopped the fight in the 12th it would have been justified. Especially after the second knockdown in the 12th when Green pulled Miranda's shorts down trying to hold himself up.
http://www.overhandright.com/Pantera...Interview.html
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How anyone can question Miranda's power is beyond me. Green talked so much trash coming in to this fight and as soon as he got hit in the first round he did nothing but back-peddle for the remainder of the fight. It is easy to say that Green has a glass chin and that he was weaker due to coming down in weight.
The fact is that Miranda also went up in weight to face green. Loss of power is just as likely when a fighter moves up as when he moves down.
Weight issues aside Miranda staggered green numerous times throughout the fight. Think about it, how many times did you see Pantera holding Green or trying to tie him up? If you said none, you'd be right. Miranda stayed busy and was looking to trade the entire night.
I agree he may not be the most polished guy in the world but seriously what more can you ask for as a fight fan than a guy aggressively going for the knockout even though he knows he has the fight sewn up? If that were Hopkins or Mayweather you'd be asleep by the 12th round.
As a Miranda fan I was actually a little nervous that Green might get lucky and land something because Pantera never backed down for a second. Green stated that all Miranda had was a punchers chance in this fight. Well from the looks of it Green didn't even have that!
If the final three minutes didn't convince you that Miranda is the most exciting fighter in the sport, I don't know what will.
The fight could have easily ended in a TKO. If the ref had stopped the fight in the 12th it would have been justified. Especially after the second knockdown in the 12th when Green pulled Miranda's shorts down trying to hold himself up.
http://www.overhandright.com/Pantera...Interview.html
I agree on alot of your comments....but I bolded out the statements that needed clarification, I'm not picking on you just helping straighten out the facts for you respectfully since some might be brash and condescending to you....
The fight was a Middleweight in which they weighed in at 162 lbs
http://www.hbo.com/boxing/events/200.../weigh_in.html
It was a 10 round fight and although Green was floored 2x in the 10th he wasn't out of it so bad that it warranted a TKO and I hate Green and am a huge fan of Miranda but I'm Just helping you out kindly bud, before someone spouts off at the mouth toward you ;)
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Thanks JT, I was mistaken on the round I meant 10th not 12th. As far as wieght goes I heard HBO all night calling it a middleweight fight but unless I'm mistaken official weights of 162 makes it a Super Middleweight bout doesn't it? Middleweight limit being 160 and Super being 168. If you know something that I don't please let me know.
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Thanks JT, I was mistaken on the round I meant 10th not 12th. As far as wieght goes I heard HBO all night calling it a middleweight fight but unless I'm mistaken official weights of 162 makes it a Super Middleweight bout doesn't it? Middleweight limit being 160 and Super being 168. If you know something that I don't please let me know.
My bad it was catchweight... I was under the misunderstanding that they filled out to 162 by fight time... ;)
Anywho have a :coolclick: on me for baffling you
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Thanks JT, I was mistaken on the round I meant 10th not 12th. As far as wieght goes I heard HBO all night calling it a middleweight fight but unless I'm mistaken official weights of 162 makes it a Super Middleweight bout doesn't it? Middleweight limit being 160 and Super being 168. If you know something that I don't please let me know.
My bad it was catchweight... I was under the misunderstanding that they filled out to 162 by fight time... ;)
Anywho have a :coolclick: on me for baffling you
by fight time they were actually at this
miranda was 176 and green was 175
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Originally Posted by bilbo
I really like Miranda for his heart and determination, and his personal backstory but honestly as world talent I'd put him behind Jeff Lacy.
HBO are hyping him up to be some kind of monster in the division but honestly he's just an average fighter, with loads of natural strength and a big heart.
He's kind of like an in shape Sam Peter, but whereas Peter fights in a division boasting less talent than a Newcastle brothel Miranda will have to compete against some of the top p4p fighters in the world.
In my opinion Taylor, Hopkins, Wright, Pavlick, Abraham, Calzaghe, Kessler, Andrade, Froch, Bute, Mundine, Dawson all beat him with several fighters having a chance to knock him out.
If he fights Pavlick next I'd fancy Pavlick to stop him inside the distance or if not give him a Calzaghe/Lacy style beatdown.
An entertaining fighter but not one of the world's best.
CC! And what a war a bout between him and Lacy would be. Could be one of the best fights of all time! I would pick Lacy but man that would just be awesome.
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Originally Posted by bilbo
I really like Miranda for his heart and determination, and his personal backstory but honestly as world talent I'd put him behind Jeff Lacy.
HBO are hyping him up to be some kind of monster in the division but honestly he's just an average fighter, with loads of natural strength and a big heart.
He's kind of like an in shape Sam Peter, but whereas Peter fights in a division boasting less talent than a Newcastle brothel Miranda will have to compete against some of the top p4p fighters in the world.
In my opinion Taylor, Hopkins, Wright, Pavlick, Abraham, Calzaghe, Kessler, Andrade, Froch, Bute, Mundine, Dawson all beat him with several fighters having a chance to knock him out.
If he fights Pavlick next I'd fancy Pavlick to stop him inside the distance or if not give him a Calzaghe/Lacy style beatdown.
An entertaining fighter but not one of the world's best.
CC! And what a war a bout between him and Lacy would be. Could be one of the best fights of all time! I would pick Lacy but man that would just be awesome.
Yea no kidding... I like Miranda a whole lot but my loyalty is with Jeff and always will be, I would totally be stressed watching this fight with plenty of anxious feelings but in the end I think Jeff has battled thru much more ring adversity and has learned pleny of valuable lessons... Jeff loves to mix it up so Miranda wouldnt have to go looking and vice versa.. I think Jeff has the better handspeed, strenght and chin to get by Miranda... My only fear is that if Miranda breaks him up, even I the most staunch and loyal Lacy fan would have to concede he would be just about shot :-\
Jeff would gut this one out though he is to much of a proud warrior and determined....
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Miranda i think can beat Taylor by stoppage
Way off. Wayyyyy off. Taylor, though faulted, is probably stronger than Miranda and if you have piss-poor defense as Miranda does, he will eat shots from Taylor all night until he takes a nap. Taylor's defense is lackluster, but at least he has an awareness of it and he'll clear Miranda out long before he gets tired.
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Taylor would KO Miranda, especially the way he literally runs at his opponents when he's been hit hard or with a good combo. If he tried that mess with Taylor he'd walk into a 1-2 that would put him on his backside. If Green wasn't so tentative acting he could have beat Miranda too.
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Miranda i think can beat Taylor by stoppage
Way off. Wayyyyy off. Taylor, though faulted, is probably stronger than Miranda and if you have piss-poor defense as Miranda does, he will eat shots from Taylor all night until he takes a nap. Taylor's defense is lackluster, but at least he has an awareness of it and he'll clear Miranda out long before he gets tired.
I guess you have missed Taylors last 4-5 fights were he has abandoned his Jab(his bread and butter punch) loses gas about the 8-9th rounds .... Taylor got tired and couldnt wobble a blown up Welterweight in Ouma.. Taylor is no way shape or form Stronger than Miranda period... Hopkins and Wright are both passive aggressive and Ouma was to small to make him pay, Miranda is a relentless Bull that will wear Taylor down..
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As far as Pavlik goes, Miranda will destroy him. He will be an easier fight than Green. Pavlik does not move nearly as well and will be standing there to get hit. It's funny how some say Pavlik is a better boxer with superior skills and will easily on points if it goes the distance. Sounds exactly what people said about Allan Green. The opposite happened, Miranda destroyed Green on points.
Yea, Green got scared and was on his bike. Pavlik will do the same, but he is not nearly as slick and will get caught much earlier in the fight. I really really hope this fight happens. Pavlik has fought nobody in the same league as Miranda. Pantera will be way more than he can handle.
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Taylor would KO Miranda, especially the way he literally runs at his opponents when he's been hit hard or with a good combo. If he tried that mess with Taylor he'd walk into a 1-2 that would put him on his backside. If Green wasn't so tentative acting he could have beat Miranda too.
I think that a lot of people fail to realize that Green, like most other opponents that Pantera faces, was not tentative until Miranda hit him in round 1. Once you feel his power is when you become tentative. I really like Jermain Taylor but if you saw the Kassim Ouma fight you'd know that Ouma landed hard and fairly often through Taylor's defense. Taylor was moving back the entire fight. Ouma doesn't hit half as hard as Pantera! he has a good chin, but so does Miranda. If Taylor couldn't floor Ouma, I have a hard time believing that he could put Pantera on the mat.
As far as Pavlik goes, he has heavy hands and a good chin. His defense is mediocre at best and he likes to stand and trade. Even Zertuche hurt Pavlik and he's not known for his overwhelming power. I give the kid all the credit in the world for being tough and a good puncher, however I think Miranda does both a little bit better. At 160 and maybe even at 168, there isn't a fighter in the sport that could stand and trade with Miranda. That is why they all end up back-peddling and eventually on their backs.
Edison Miranda Interview: http://www.overhandright.com/
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I still would like to see Miranda vs Calzaghe i'll this at least Miranda is fighting lively names unlike Calzaghe
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Miranda i think can beat Taylor by stoppage
Way off. Wayyyyy off. Taylor, though faulted, is probably stronger than Miranda and if you have piss-poor defense as Miranda does, he will eat shots from Taylor all night until he takes a nap. Taylor's defense is lackluster, but at least he has an awareness of it and he'll clear Miranda out long before he gets tired.
Miranda makes physical mistakes (footwork and defense). JT makes both mental and physical mistakes. People act like JT is some superior boxer but he's not. He doesn't keep his hands up, he loses his focus in the middle of rounds, he doesn't use his jab as often and effectively as he should, and his biggest flaw IMO, he's got horrible stamina problems (probably because 160 is getting a little too hard to make now). He gassed against Hopkins and he wasn't doing that much, he gassed against Winky, and he gassed against Ouma. He's a great fighter outside of all that but that's a lot of stuff he needs to correct. All I know is that if he fights Miranda the same way he fought Winky (backing into corners), MIRANDA TKO 6.
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I still would like to see Miranda vs Calzaghe i'll this at least Miranda is fighting lively names unlike Calzaghe
JoeCal's got a good chin and how much of Miranda's power will translate from 160 to 168? JoeCal will definitely outwork Edison and use his superior boxing skills to make Edison look a little foolish. But if Edison can throw multiple jabs and work behind a good jab, then it will be a closer fight. I still think JoeCal would take a decision. If Abraham can beat Miranda then JoeCal can too.
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I have to say when i clicked on this thread i didnt expect the response about miranda to be negative as i aswell as many other expected there to be a knock out nd if it was to go the distance i thought green would be the most likely to win as according to most on here he has the better boxing ability nd according to sum more power so i dont understand how some of u dont give him credit as he proved ur predictions wrong. Nd nobody can say ne thing about the weight as they both weighed in as SMW's, nd i think its fair to say his only loss is a controvercial one so i feel he deserves more credit nd he is the sort of fighter thats gonna bring more excitement back into boxing.
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Honestly...
I havnt lost any respect for miranda..
You can only fight as good as you openings and green was just too wary that night...
When youre beconing your opponent to fight.. and asking your opponent to fight..To the point where your taunting him just to fire him up..
And he still doesnt fight.. Your gona be suprised when he hits you with a great combo out of the blue like green did..
In all fairness.. Green didnt come to fight like the match looked on paper..
And props to miranda.. He was still looking to knock sweetness loopy in the last round all the way to the closing seconds..
He landed a scorcher of a right on the bell..!
Peace
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I still would like to see Miranda vs Calzaghe i'll this at least Miranda is fighting lively names unlike Calzaghe
JoeCal's got a good chin and how much of Miranda's power will translate from 160 to 168? JoeCal will definitely outwork Edison and use his superior boxing skills to make Edison look a little foolish. But if Edison can throw multiple jabs and work behind a good jab, then it will be a closer fight. I still think JoeCal would take a decision. If Abraham can beat Miranda then JoeCal can too.
Seeing he weighed in at about 174 for his fight against Green, I'd say the power is just as potent and would be plenty effective ;)
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Taylor would KO Miranda, especially the way he literally runs at his opponents when he's been hit hard or with a good combo. If he tried that mess with Taylor he'd walk into a 1-2 that would put him on his backside. If Green wasn't so tentative acting he could have beat Miranda too.
I think that a lot of people fail to realize that Green, like most other opponents that Pantera faces, was not tentative until Miranda hit him in round 1. Once you feel his power is when you become tentative. I really like Jermain Taylor but if you saw the Kassim Ouma fight you'd know that Ouma landed hard and fairly often through Taylor's defense. Taylor was moving back the entire fight. Ouma doesn't hit half as hard as Pantera! he has a good chin, but so does Miranda. If Taylor couldn't floor Ouma, I have a hard time believing that he could put Pantera on the mat.
As far as Pavlik goes, he has heavy hands and a good chin. His defense is mediocre at best and he likes to stand and trade. Even Zertuche hurt Pavlik and he's not known for his overwhelming power. I give the kid all the credit in the world for being tough and a good puncher, however I think Miranda does both a little bit better. At 160 and maybe even at 168, there isn't a fighter in the sport that could stand and trade with Miranda. That is why they all end up back-peddling and eventually on their backs.
Edison Miranda Interview:
http://www.overhandright.com/
Calzaghe could stand and trade with Miranda, Miranda wouldn't be able to touch him. Watch round 5 of Calzaghe Shieka when Sheika decided to go toe to toe.......
Froch could stand and trade and trade with him, lure him in and kill him with an uppercut.
Honestly by the end of his career I expect Miranda to have been knocked out more times than Iran Barkely.
A merciless beatdown is just around the corner for him. He's really overratted.
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I still would like to see Miranda vs Calzaghe i'll this at least Miranda is fighting lively names unlike Calzaghe
JoeCal's got a good chin and how much of Miranda's power will translate from 160 to 168? JoeCal will definitely outwork Edison and use his superior boxing skills to make Edison look a little foolish. But if Edison can throw multiple jabs and work behind a good jab, then it will be a closer fight. I still think JoeCal would take a decision. If Abraham can beat Miranda then JoeCal can too.
Seeing he weighed in at about 174 for his fight against Green, I'd say the power is just as potent and would be plenty effective ;)
CC from me
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You can't be serious. Are you trying to compare Bika's punching power with Miranda's? Joe C is a hell of a fighter but Miranda hits harder than Lacy and Bika! I don't understand the lack of respect for Pantera. All this guy does is fight hard and deliver exciting performances everytime out. Seriously Pantera hits so hard if he posted a message on this board he'd probably knock us off our seats.
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Taylor would KO Miranda, especially the way he literally runs at his opponents when he's been hit hard or with a good combo. If he tried that mess with Taylor he'd walk into a 1-2 that would put him on his backside. If Green wasn't so tentative acting he could have beat Miranda too.
I think that a lot of people fail to realize that Green, like most other opponents that Pantera faces, was not tentative until Miranda hit him in round 1. Once you feel his power is when you become tentative. I really like Jermain Taylor but if you saw the Kassim Ouma fight you'd know that Ouma landed hard and fairly often through Taylor's defense. Taylor was moving back the entire fight. Ouma doesn't hit half as hard as Pantera! he has a good chin, but so does Miranda. If Taylor couldn't floor Ouma, I have a hard time believing that he could put Pantera on the mat.
As far as Pavlik goes, he has heavy hands and a good chin. His defense is mediocre at best and he likes to stand and trade. Even Zertuche hurt Pavlik and he's not known for his overwhelming power. I give the kid all the credit in the world for being tough and a good puncher, however I think Miranda does both a little bit better. At 160 and maybe even at 168, there isn't a fighter in the sport that could stand and trade with Miranda. That is why they all end up back-peddling and eventually on their backs.
Edison Miranda Interview:
http://www.overhandright.com/
Calzaghe could stand and trade with Miranda, Miranda wouldn't be able to touch him. Watch round 5 of Calzaghe Shieka when Sheika decided to go toe to toe.......
Froch could stand and trade and trade with him, lure him in and kill him with an uppercut.
Honestly by the end of his career I expect Miranda to have been knocked out more times than Iran Barkely.
A merciless beatdown is just around the corner for him. He's really overratted.
I think all that MMA your watching is going to your head and making you loopy Hahaha!!, Miranda is Overrated??? get out of town you deplorable Hobbit ;D
Seriously its a mute point anyway, we all know Joe Cal wouldnt have the testicular fortitude to get in the ring with Miranda anyway ;)
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I still would like to see Miranda vs Calzaghe i'll this at least Miranda is fighting lively names unlike Calzaghe
JoeCal's got a good chin and how much of Miranda's power will translate from 160 to 168? JoeCal will definitely outwork Edison and use his superior boxing skills to make Edison look a little foolish. But if Edison can throw multiple jabs and work behind a good jab, then it will be a closer fight. I still think JoeCal would take a decision. If Abraham can beat Miranda then JoeCal can too.
Seeing he weighed in at about 174 for his fight against Green, I'd say the power is just as potent and would be plenty effective ;)
CC from me
Thanks and :coolclick: #26 to you bro
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Miranda may have many flaws and be unpolished...hell, perhaps he may get a beat-down sooner rather than later...
But the guy is 150% entertainment - he went for the kill regardless of having the fight in the bag.
The kid has no reverse gear at all.
Let's not forget in all this - Allan Green was the 'next big thing' at 168lb too.
But he lost every round and got dropped twice and saved by the bell !
Miranda may win, lose or draw - but he will always have fans :D
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You can't be serious. Are you trying to compare Bika's punching power with Miranda's? Joe C is a hell of a fighter but Miranda hits harder than Lacy and Bika! I don't understand the lack of respect for Pantera. All this guy does is fight hard and deliver exciting performances everytime out. Seriously Pantera hits so hard if he posted a message on this board he'd probably knock us off our seats.
I wasn't comparing him to Bika I was comparing him to Sheika. Sheika, especially back when Calzaghe fought him was a puncher with a good reputation. They went toe to toe in round 5 and Calzaghe dodged everything. Even in slow motion he looks fast, busting Sheika's face up and forcing the ref to stop the fight.
@JT Rock.
I see you are enjoying your bets with VD, I'll happily bet 10 cc's sc's with you that if Miranda fights Pavlick next he gets whooped.
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You can't be serious. Are you trying to compare Bika's punching power with Miranda's? Joe C is a hell of a fighter but Miranda hits harder than Lacy and Bika! I don't understand the lack of respect for Pantera. All this guy does is fight hard and deliver exciting performances everytime out. Seriously Pantera hits so hard if he posted a message on this board he'd probably knock us off our seats.
I wasn't comparing him to Bika I was comparing him to Sheika. Sheika, especially back when Calzaghe fought him was a puncher with a good reputation. They went toe to toe in round 5 and Calzaghe dodged everything. Even in slow motion he looks fast, busting Sheika's face up and forcing the ref to stop the fight.
@JT Rock.
I see you are enjoying your bets with VD, I'll happily bet 10 cc's sc's with you that if Miranda fights Pavlick next he gets whooped.
Please Bilbo call me JT, your my friend and on that note, Game on you filthy little a** scratching ground dweller ;D I'd be happy to, of course I think Miranda is destined for bigger and better things like dismantleing Jermain Taylor by summers end to be Undisputed Middle Weight Champ ;)
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Re: Thoughts on Miranda Now
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Originally Posted by G0MEZ
Miranda may have many flaws and be unpolished...hell, perhaps he may get a beat-down sooner rather than later...
But the guy is 150% entertainment - he went for the kill regardless of having the fight in the bag.
The kid has no reverse gear at all.
Let's not forget in all this - Allan Green was the 'next big thing' at 168lb too.
But he lost every round and got dropped twice and saved by the bell !
Miranda may win, lose or draw - but he will always have fans :D
:coolclick: #98 yep you gotta respect the big cat for all his drive, desire and entertainment value, fans can be so fickle, you complain cause fighters dont wanna make the big fights and that there reserved and pre-madonnas, then you have an exciting kid who epitomes all the things that a fighter should be and they pick him apart.... I just never can understand ::**
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Re: Thoughts on Miranda Now
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Originally Posted by JT Rock
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Originally Posted by bilbo
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Originally Posted by overhandright
You can't be serious. Are you trying to compare Bika's punching power with Miranda's? Joe C is a hell of a fighter but Miranda hits harder than Lacy and Bika! I don't understand the lack of respect for Pantera. All this guy does is fight hard and deliver exciting performances everytime out. Seriously Pantera hits so hard if he posted a message on this board he'd probably knock us off our seats.
I wasn't comparing him to Bika I was comparing him to Sheika. Sheika, especially back when Calzaghe fought him was a puncher with a good reputation. They went toe to toe in round 5 and Calzaghe dodged everything. Even in slow motion he looks fast, busting Sheika's face up and forcing the ref to stop the fight.
@JT Rock.
I see you are enjoying your bets with VD, I'll happily bet 10 cc's sc's with you that if Miranda fights Pavlick next he gets whooped.
Please Bilbo call me JT, your my friend and on that note, Game on you filthy little a** scratching ground dweller ;D I'd be happy to, of course I think Miranda is destined for bigger and better things like dismantleing Jermain Taylor by summers end to be Undisputed Middle Weight Champ ;)
Ok game on then, lets hope they make the fight. I'm not hating on Miranda by any means though, he's great for boxing, has tons of heart and is always exciting to watch.
The way he lunges in to punch though he's just made for some of the top boxers out there.
It may not happen this year but he'll be knocked out before the end of 2008.
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Re: Thoughts on Miranda Now
Anyone know how much Green and Miranda earned?They had a 150k bet...just curious
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Re: Thoughts on Miranda Now
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Originally Posted by althetruthhindley
Miranda i think can beat Taylor by stoppage
You're crazy!!!!!!
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Re: Thoughts on Miranda Now
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Originally Posted by Olympian904
Anyone know how much Green and Miranda earned?They had a 150k bet...just curious
The bet was a bunch of BS from the Green camp. He will keep his cash.
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Re: Thoughts on Miranda Now
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Originally Posted by P.G.H Angel Eyes
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Originally Posted by althetruthhindley
Miranda i think can beat Taylor by stoppage
You're crazy!!!!!!
Not crazy at all. Taylor would be easier to KO than Green was.
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Re: Thoughts on Miranda Now
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Originally Posted by Pantera
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Originally Posted by P.G.H Angel Eyes
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Originally Posted by althetruthhindley
Miranda i think can beat Taylor by stoppage
You're crazy!!!!!!
Not crazy at all. Taylor would be easier to KO than Green was.
Don't think that's true at all. Green fought like a scared punk. He didn't do anything better then Taylor can, in fact boxed nowhere near as well as Jermain is capable of doing at middleweight. And we know Taylor wouldn't be intimidated like Green, he's already fought Hopkins twice and Winky wright for god's sake. Allan Green spent most of the fight retreating and throwing very little punches, so I can see how you could say he was hard to KO in that sense.. But I don't think it's a good excuse, Miranda should have been able to cut off the ring more, get him against the ropes etc.. Green was there to be bullied. He also spent alot of the fight complaining to the ref with his hands down or looking at his feet and Miranda rarely bullrushed him like he should have in those instances.. Had he I wouldn't be surprised if he'd gotten the KO earlier. Bottom line, Taylor can do a LOT of things that Green can't, and he's a better athlete as well, at least as a middleweight Taylors just much better than Green is, especially offensively and I think Miranda's too open for him. Would be a hell of a fight while it lasted but I'd see a stoppage or KO for Taylor before the mid rounds tbo.
