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Nigell Benn in his bout with Iran Barkley. 3 times he hit a floored Barkley. That one sticks out in my mind more then any.
One from recent times, Robert Guererro - Eric Aiken. Guererro hit below the belt about 20 times (I don't even think I'm exaggerating there) and I don't think he even got warned.
anyone think tyson should of been dq against razor ruddock rematch how many times did he hit ruddock low must of been like 10 times
Wilfredo Gomez hitting Carlos Zarate while his glove was on the canvas.
what about when golota bit that guy on the neck that was crazy ;D
Mayweather when his uncle jumped in the ring.
I disagree strongly here. In my opinion, this was the perfect example of a time where the ref could have dq'd a fighter, but made the right call in NOT dq'ing him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bx730NY
The whole purpose of disqualifying a fighter (or deducting points) is to penalize a fighter who commits a foul and gains an unfair advantage as a result of the foul.
Floyd Mayweather gained no advantage from his uncle entering the ring. The action and the time had already been stopped because of the intentional low blow.
Did Roger deserve to be ejected from the fight? Of course he did. Did he deserve a suspension like the one he got? Definitely.
But to DQ Floyd because Roger entered the ring would not have been a correct decision. If that happened, you'd be rewarding the guy (Judah) who started the whole sequence by blatantly hitting low, because he was getting his a** kicked and wasn't man enough to take his beating like a pro.
It's a controversial issue that one for sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bx730NY
A great article on it is here
http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/s...r.25fa997.html
I couldn't CC you enough man that's spot on. Had Rog jumped into the ring during the fight then there would be a case to be had. But time was stopped.Quote:
Originally Posted by SweetPea
Had that fight been called I think that would haunt Steele more then the Taylor - Chavez bout.
Hatton was lucky not to be DQ'd againstTszyu!
Wlad for holding Peter excessively. No that was not tying up. That was blatant holding.
Maybe he should have got a warning but I've seen A LOT more holding then that in a fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bx730NY
I realize you're obviously a big Floyd fan but you have to stop being so biased. The politics of boxing prevented justice in that case. A rule is a rule and as much as it wasn't Floyds fault, he should have been dq'ed for his corners actions.Quote:
Originally Posted by SweetPea
Everything was against Zab that night from the ref not calling the knockdown to the non DQ. To add insult to injury, he becomes the first guy I've ever heard of that gets a year suspension for throwing a low blow. Even Golota didn't pay a price that steep. It's not like Zab was throwing illegal shots all night.
Zab got a raw deal and if you wanna believe the commentarys version then that's fine with me but just know you're wrong on this one. That is just a case of HBO protecting their investment. Period.
He could have definitely lost at least a point or two or three and then be DQ'ed. Henry Akinwande was DQ'ed in the fifth round against Lennox for holding and it wasn't as bad as Wlads. I guess it's an HBO thing and I just won't understand.Quote:
Originally Posted by amat
But the spirit of a rule is more important than the exact words of a rule. Technically, the ref could've DQ'd Floyd under the words of the rule. But he would've been penalizing a fighter who did nothing wrong and gained no advantage, and that's not the intent behind the rule.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bx730NY
Yes, it was a knockdown and it should've been a 10-8 round for Judah. But that knockdown meant nothing in the long run. Floyd won enough rounds that the point didn't make any difference at all.Quote:
Everything was against Zab that night from the ref not calling the knockdown to the non DQ.
This has been covered in a million different threads, just in the 5 or 6 months that I've been a member here. He didn't get suspended a year for low blows. He got suspended because after Roger came in the ring, Judah started running around and throwing haymakers at people in the ring. Watch the tape if you don't believe me.Quote:
To add insult to injury, he becomes the first guy I've ever heard of that gets a year suspension for throwing a low blow.
He got suspended because he:
a. started the whole incident by throwing a blatant low blow and a blatant rabbit punch. Both were clearly intentional.
b. After Roger escalated things by entering the ring, Zab escalated them even further by throwing the punches in the brawl that I already referred to.
c. Zab was also punished because this was not his first offense. He already had the suspension from the Tsyzu fight, a suspension that he deserved. When it's not your first time messing up, you're going to be punished more harshly.
I like watching Zab fight, he's got a lot of skills and I think a lot of people here underrate him. But he has a tendency to act like a jackass when he faces adversity.
This isn't the commentators' version, it's my version. Whenever something controversial happens, I always make a point to watch it over again with no sound, so that I'm not influenced by what they're saying.Quote:
Zab got a raw deal and if you wanna believe the commentarys version
No man, it honestly sounds like it's the other way around here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bx730NY
That would have been a cheap way for Zab to get out of that fight. It's not like it effected the fight. The clock was stopped. Floyd was given 5 minutes to recover from the low blow. The ring was cleared and the fight was started well before the 5 minutes was up. Roger was punished. He was ejected from ringside and that's who deserved to be punished. Roger didn't hurt Zab's chances of winning so there is no reason that he should have been awarded the victory.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bx730NY
I agree the suspension was stiff. But it was his second offense and he went after one of the cornerman. And the low blow and the blow to the back of the head was bad. That deserved a point deduction imo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bx730NY
Why would a boxing fan want a fight to be called early when the situation in no way effected the outcome of the fight? That's not HBO man. That's common sense. Did Richard Steele ever confer with HBO or the powers that be? I think not. He made the right call. You don't like Floyd, that's fine, but as a boxing fan you shouldn't be wanting to dig deep to find him losses. That's not right...Quote:
Originally Posted by Bx730NY
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I'm sure this clip has been put up here a ton of times, but watch again if you have to.
Watch at about the 0:25 or 0:26 mark. Mayweather is standing in the corner doing nothing, and all the pushing in the middle of the ring, and then Judah runs around to the other side to get involved. If Judah just stayed in his corner and let the people in the middle of the ring do whatever they were gonna do, he wouldn't have gotten a year.
Again, he wasn't throwing dirty punches the whole fight so to say that one low blow and a rabbit punch in the same sequence is reason for him to be blamed for inciting a brawl, in ridiculous. You need to get your head out the Floyd bandwagon and see the situation for what it was.Quote:
Originally Posted by SweetPea
How many other cornermen do you see jumping in the ring when their fighter gets hit low? I can't name one and you probably won't be able to either.
Maybe you're not influenced by the commentary but you're definitely blinded by your love for Floyd. It's either one or the other for sure.
I don't need the clip. I have the fight at home.Quote:
Originally Posted by SweetPea
I can't name any. And that's why Roger was ejected from the fight and was suspended. I don't see any people here defending Roger's actions or saying he got a raw deal. Everyone agrees Roger was wrong and that he deserved to be punished. You're arguing here about something we all agree on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bx730NY
There are lots of people here who are very anti-Floyd, and yet you're the only person I can think of who thinks that Judah got a raw deal by not winning by DQ. Either you're blinded by a love for Judah, or everyone else here is wrong and you're the only one who is right. What do you think is more likely?Quote:
Maybe you're not influenced by the commentary but you're definitely blinded by your love for Floyd. It's either one or the other for sure.
I hear what you're saying but the bottom line is that a rule is a rule and it was Roger and not Zab who really incited that and he should have been DQ'ed.Quote:
Originally Posted by amat
What kind of message does that send to other boxers out there to know that anytime his opponents corner becomes irate, he's in danger and his opponent can sit back look like an angel and not have to face any consequences.
I agree that Zab could have lost a point though. Even though he didn't do anything else that was dirty at any other time in the fight.
Are you trying to say that if I don't agree with you and everyone else in here it makes me wrong? Wow, that's pretty silly.Quote:
Originally Posted by SweetPea
I thank god for blessing me with two eyes to make it possible for me to see things for what they are.
Well you allege that I must think the way I do because I am a big Floyd fan and I am "blinded" by the fact that I root for Floyd. The insinuation being that an unbiased person wouldn't think the way I think about this incident.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bx730NY
Yet lots of people who don't root for Floyd and are definitely not blinded agree that he shouldn't have been DQ'd. So obviously there are other reasons to believe my argument that don't involved being blinded or biased.
Sorry Sweet but I held out as long as I could and I'm fallin asleep here so I'll check my replies tommorow if I can. Good debating with you as always. Peace.Quote:
Originally Posted by SweetPea
NO way shouold floyd have been DQ'd for that! If what rodger did was in anyway a bonus to flloyd then fair enough enough, but it wasn't and like sweetpea said, it would of been a joek flord zab to have won by DQ FOR hitting with a low blow. not much more i can say or i would just be repeating everything sweetpea did coz he pretty much coverd it all and bang on the button to.
He may like/love floyd i freaking hate him and would love to see him lose, but legit - not by some bull shit DQ that wasn't his fault! It is possible to have an opinion about a fighter you like tho... not fair to accuse sum1 of being biast just coz what they think/post is agasint what you think... one could argue your a floyd hater or a zab lover...
Totally agree with this i take it your referring to the low blow he gave tszyu that was nothing but intensionalQuote:
Originally Posted by glennf
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Originally Posted by tysonbruno
you mean like the 3 tszyu hit hatton with before it? tszyu shuda gone first if thats the case.
skelton v williams ( skelton was wrestling, using his elbows and head )
bika v calzaghe ( filthy fighter that bika )
Peter for repeated punching behind the head against wlad, resulting in two of the 3 knockdowns in the fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bx730NY
Not really..Considering he had been hit with two low blows before he returned just the one..Quote:
Originally Posted by glennf
I say toney - peter II
I would have dq'd peter..Those rabit punches were butal in the first few rounds
Judah is such a dysfuntional dumb azz, he actually belongs in the Mayweather family.
Absolutely!! Up until that point this fight was pretty even, Hatton deliberately throws a low blow and effectively wins the fight from there! He wins rounds 9, 10 and 11 and by this time Tszyu is F....dQuote:
Originally Posted by tysonbruno
You mean that great left rip to Hatton's body in round six that Bernard Hopkins would have been proud of...Quote:
Originally Posted by Tito_BHB
How about Holyfield in just about any fight where he is in a spot of bother. He'll lead with his head frequently.
Hatton against Urango. He held and hugged him so much I taught he wanted to make love to him.
Nedal Hussein against Manny Pacquiao
Agapito Sanchez (†) against Manny Pacquiao
Haha that could be the dirtiest fight EVER. Sanchez should have been disqualified for the low blown and the hits to he back of the head alone. Not to mention the 10 billion headbutts ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Lucian
That was also the night Mayweather beat Chavez. I was living in San Francisco at that fight took place. Boxing still hasn't returned to the Bill Graham Civic Center I don't think. I wish it would...
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Can't believe nobody has mentioned Tito - Vargas !
Tito was having real trouble with an eye injurie and complately took Vargas's legs awy with 2 massive low blows !
I lost some respect for Tito in that fight !!
Vargas was just starting to comback he floored Tito in the 4th ( ??? ) and was getting right into the fight !!
Getting hit in the bollocks is just the worst.
Dirty fighters .
Hopkins not just dirty
Holyfield loves to put his head in .
Golota .
They stink in the mind as the worst 3 but there are alot more its just very late for me right now .
Sakio Bika against Calzaghe also .
Thats why big fights need strong refs .
I don't think Tito should have been DQ'd, but it was definitely an intentional low blow, and it was a bad one. Clearly a dirty punch.
Tito had no problem with breaking the rules when he needed to. He was in trouble after the knockdown and nailing Vargas south of the border bought him time to recoup and slowed Vargas' momentum.
He got 2 points taken away (Tito) and going to the body was the way he won the fight. He got penalized the points if he had done it again he should have got disqualified imo.