Klitschko vs. Austin In Trouble?

http://www.fightnews.com/fightnews_2...kUYnRzZHj.html Stupid glove dispute

dkp threatens to pull plug on klit vs austin


http://www.boxingtalk.com/pag/article11528.html

i wish those klits would just get out the game.

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Originally Posted by Bx730NY

i wish those klits would just get out the game.

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What are you talking about?Don King is the problem in this division not Wladimir!I am sure King is going to put off a huge payday like this because of a glove dispute. ::**

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Originally Posted by Bx730NY

i wish those klits would just get out the game.

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I take it you didn't read the article.....
DK is the problem and always has been, reading your statement it's clear you just don't like the Klitschko's....... :)

Well... Wladdy could just let Austin have the Reyes gloves and be done with.

That would really put one on Don King.... Who obviously is trying to score his own kinda victory here ;)

Don King is the fucking anti-christ. If he were out of boxing it would be sooo much better. Hopefully he will die soon and hopefully fewer boxers are victims of hi smanipulation and lack of respect for anything.

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Originally Posted by boozeboxer

Don King is the F****** anti-christ. If he were out of boxing it would be sooo much better. Hopefully he will die soon and hopefully fewer boxers are victims of hi smanipulation and lack of respect for anything.

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Look mate, I find it hard to believe that Don King is the anti-christ, because there is only one anti-christ and that is Frank Warren. Maybe DK is a minor imp in the hell hierarchy.

I don't know who exactly is to blame. But I see no reason they can't settle it with a coin toss like suggested.

Oh No!!! What are we going to do.....I personally dont give a flying f***. King is just trying to stir up any kind of interest. Let em wear those oversized pillows on there hands, its gonna be a snorefest either way.

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Originally Posted by No Contest

Oh No!!! What are we going to do.....I personally dont give a flying f***. King is just trying to stir up any kind of interest. Let em wear those oversized pillows on there hands, its gonna be a snorefest either way.

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Wladdy can't be in snorefest.....
Whats the last boring fight Wladdys been in?

How's everyone so sure DKP is at fault here? I mean...his argument makes sense. I hate Don King just as much as the next guy, but how are we so sure he is in the wrong here?

I think it was LG or BG who posted an awesome article on gloves and glove disputes a while back, these things usually get resolved.

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Originally Posted by amat

How's everyone so sure DKP is at fault here? I mean...his argument makes sense. I hate Don King just as much as the next guy, but how are we so sure he is in the wrong here?

I think it was LG or BG who posted an awesome article on gloves and glove disputes a while back, these things usually get resolved.

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Since Team Klitschko and Team Austin were unable to reach an agreement on the gloves as per the contract, the champion selects the glove brand, according to the rules of the commission.

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Originally Posted by Klitschkofan

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Originally Posted by amat

How's everyone so sure DKP is at fault here? I mean...his argument makes sense. I hate Don King just as much as the next guy, but how are we so sure he is in the wrong here?

I think it was LG or BG who posted an awesome article on gloves and glove disputes a while back, these things usually get resolved.

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Since Team Klitschko and Team Austin were unable to reach an agreement on the gloves as per the contract, the champion selects the glove brand, according to the rules of the commission.

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Yeah but isn't DK's whole deal is that there is a different commission governing this fight then the one agreed upon? I think if Wlad holds on to this he is stupid. And Wlad isn''t stupid. Let the guy use Reyes, don't give the guy any excuses...

imo it sounded like team Klit was trying to sneak in an edge for their man. Both sides agreed on one commision that would allow the gloves that each fighter wanted, but then team Klit switched the commision being used. The new commision just happens to have a policy that the champion selects the brand of gloves.

To me it sounds like that team Klit still dont trust their mans chin, or else why make such a late move about the gloves? I think they were trying to sneak in an advantage for Wlad.

For once DK isnt the a**hole doing the sneak job for a fighter.

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Originally Posted by boozeboxer

Don King is the F****** anti-christ. If he were out of boxing it would be sooo much better. Hopefully he will die soon and hopefully fewer boxers are victims of hi smanipulation and lack of respect for anything.

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Look mate, I find it hard to believe that Don King is the anti-christ, because there is only one anti-christ and that is Frank Warren. Maybe DK is a minor imp in the hell hierarchy.

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Shows how much you know Oscar De La Hoya is the fucking anti-christ! Seriously if you had any understanding of biblical propecy you would know that the anti-christ is seen by most as an angel of light, beautiful in appearance and warm and friendly to those that follow him. Frank Warren looks like some kind of anorexic Jabba the Hut monster with his toad eyes and palid zombie complexion. Warren is the imp, Don King is a more powerful demon but Oscar is the true Satan.

Ok maybe I'm not understanding this properly but surely it is morally right that any fighter can choose to wear what he likes in the ring as long as it's legal?

I mean I can't imagine Roger Federer complaining that Andy Roddick was using a different racket to what he wanted him to? ???

I realise that in boxing we should never assume an easy solution when there is a far worse solution available but if Wladimir was any kind of man he would say 'You know what Ray, use whatever gloves you want baby, because you need all the help you can get!'.

By not allowing Austin to wear punchers gloves he's actually saying, 'You know what Ray, you have to stick to the pillow gloves because I'm a much better boxer than you and this is how I am going to win this fight. If I let you use punchers gloves I'm taking a risk becuase we all know I've got a glass jaw and that is your only chance in the fight. So, if you don't mind, (well even if you do you don't have a choice) I am going to use my status as the champ to enforce you to wear these nice cushioned gloves that won't hurt me so much'.

Am I wrong, or this the way others see it to? ???

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Originally Posted by bilbo

Ok maybe I'm not understanding this properly but surely it is morally right that any fighter can choose to wear what he likes in the ring as long as it's legal?

I mean I can't imagine Roger Federer complaining that Andy Roddick was using a different racket to what he wanted him to? ???

I realise that in boxing we should never assume an easy solution when there is a far worse solution available but if Wladimir was any kind of man he would say 'You know what Ray, use whatever gloves you want baby, because you need all the help you can get!'.

By not allowing Austin to wear punchers gloves he's actually saying, 'You know what Ray, you have to stick to the pillow gloves because I'm a much better boxer than you and this is how I am going to win this fight. If I let you use punchers gloves I'm taking a risk becuase we all know I've got a glass jaw and that is your only chance in the fight. So, if you don't mind, (well even if you do you don't have a choice) I am going to use my status as the champ to enforce you to wear these nice cushioned gloves that won't hurt me so much'.

Am I wrong, or this the way others see it to? ???

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Honestly though how much of a difference is there really between the two gloves?And why would Wladimir be afraid against Austin(a guy not known for much power) when there was no problem with anyone else?The gloves are not very different at all, you make it sound like they are pillows!Come on.

I hope Austin knocks himout with the Grant gloves....that would be sweet. This is whats wrong with boxing, where are the real fighters who fight the top fighters and dont complain that their fingernail was broke before the fight, or their opponents had a advantage. I say let either boxer wear whatever they want, if there is some kind of real issue with the glove difference, make one glove the standard....I mean really people this is like drama queen shit.

This is how it should be handled.In New York, for championship fights, four sets of new gloves are set out on a table at the rules meeting prior to the bout. The champion chooses his fight gloves first. The challenger has second pick. Then the champion chooses a back-up pair followed again by the challenger.

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Originally Posted by Klitschkofan

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Originally Posted by bilbo

Ok maybe I'm not understanding this properly but surely it is morally right that any fighter can choose to wear what he likes in the ring as long as it's legal?

I mean I can't imagine Roger Federer complaining that Andy Roddick was using a different racket to what he wanted him to? ???

I realise that in boxing we should never assume an easy solution when there is a far worse solution available but if Wladimir was any kind of man he would say 'You know what Ray, use whatever gloves you want baby, because you need all the help you can get!'.

By not allowing Austin to wear punchers gloves he's actually saying, 'You know what Ray, you have to stick to the pillow gloves because I'm a much better boxer than you and this is how I am going to win this fight. If I let you use punchers gloves I'm taking a risk becuase we all know I've got a glass jaw and that is your only chance in the fight. So, if you don't mind, (well even if you do you don't have a choice) I am going to use my status as the champ to enforce you to wear these nice cushioned gloves that won't hurt me so much'.

Am I wrong, or this the way others see it to? ???

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Honestly though how much of a difference is there really between the two gloves?And why would Wladimir be afraid against Austin(a guy not known for much power) when there was no problem with anyone else?The gloves are not very different at all, you make it sound like they are pillows!Come on.

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Ask any fighter and they will tell you that there is a difference between all of the big name gloves (Reyes, Everlast, Grant, Winnings). Everybody considers Reyes to be punchers gloves because more of he weight is put to stablize the wrist and less padding on the knuckles. Everlast seems to be a more inbetween glove, in that it is not really a punchers glove but not a pillow either. Grant has a little more padding in the knuckle area and Winnings seem to be the most padded. This is what I have read about the difference between them. This is from trainers and fighters.

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Originally Posted by Klitschkofan

This is how it should be handled.In New York, for championship fights, four sets of new gloves are set out on a table at the rules meeting prior to the bout. The champion chooses his fight gloves first. The challenger has second pick. Then the champion chooses a back-up pair followed again by the challenger.

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The brand of glove is predetermined and then they pick. Some fighters feel that each individual set feels different than others even if they are the same brand

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Originally Posted by TyBuff

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Originally Posted by Klitschkofan

This is how it should be handled.In New York, for championship fights, four sets of new gloves are set out on a table at the rules meeting prior to the bout. The champion chooses his fight gloves first. The challenger has second pick. Then the champion chooses a back-up pair followed again by the challenger.

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The brand of glove is predetermined and then they pick. Some fighters feel that each individual set feels different than others even if they are the same brand

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I am sure that some Grant gloves feel more like Reyes gloves and vice versa.I just dont believe in the heavyweight division that tiny bit of difference makes a big difference.If this was a lower weight class it would make much more of a difference, but not when both guys are over 240lbs.I just don't buy it, never have.

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Originally Posted by TyBuff

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Originally Posted by Klitschkofan

This is how it should be handled.In New York, for championship fights, four sets of new gloves are set out on a table at the rules meeting prior to the bout. The champion chooses his fight gloves first. The challenger has second pick. Then the champion chooses a back-up pair followed again by the challenger.

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The brand of glove is predetermined and then they pick. Some fighters feel that each individual set feels different than others even if they are the same brand

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I am sure that some Grant gloves feel more like Reyes gloves and vice versa.I just dont believe in the heavyweight division that tiny bit of difference makes a big difference.If this was a lower weight class it would make much more of a difference, but not when both guys are over 240lbs.I just don't buy it, never have.

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I understand that point. Once the big boys start throwing, you wouldnt think that what was on their hands would make that much difference. But some people think it really makes a difference.

Here is an article that was posted awhile back about gloves:
http://www.secondsout.com/usa/colhau...s=208&cs=17973

This is the thread that it was in so you can read everybodies comments about it.
http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxing_fo...-t42275.0.html

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Originally Posted by TyBuff

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Originally Posted by Klitschkofan

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Originally Posted by TyBuff

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Originally Posted by Klitschkofan

This is how it should be handled.In New York, for championship fights, four sets of new gloves are set out on a table at the rules meeting prior to the bout. The champion chooses his fight gloves first. The challenger has second pick. Then the champion chooses a back-up pair followed again by the challenger.

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The brand of glove is predetermined and then they pick. Some fighters feel that each individual set feels different than others even if they are the same brand

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I am sure that some Grant gloves feel more like Reyes gloves and vice versa.I just dont believe in the heavyweight division that tiny bit of difference makes a big difference.If this was a lower weight class it would make much more of a difference, but not when both guys are over 240lbs.I just don't buy it, never have.

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I understand that point. Once the big boys start throwing, you wouldnt think that what was on their hands would make that much difference. But some people think it really makes a difference.

Here is an article that was posted awhile back about gloves:
http://www.secondsout.com/usa/colhau...s=208&cs=17973

This is the thread that it was in so you can read everybodies comments about it. Some people posted some interesting stories that they have heard about the subject.
http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxing_fo...-t42275.0.html

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Thanks for the links.I had read that article before.Donald Turner said "That's nonsense. Eight ounces is eight ounces. The gloves don't knock you out; the fighter does."
While Teddy Atlas believes there is a difference, and Stewart also states that Reyes is also a lot harder on the hands of the guy wearing them.I wish they could ensure that all glove manufacturers use the same process of stitching and filling the gloves so there wouldn't be any difference in the brands.In any other sport they have one type of ball or puck, the home team doesn't get to pick the manufacturer before the game.I don't know how much sense that made but I hope you get where I am coming from.

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Originally Posted by Klitschkofan

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Originally Posted by TyBuff

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Originally Posted by Klitschkofan

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Originally Posted by TyBuff

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Originally Posted by Klitschkofan

This is how it should be handled.In New York, for championship fights, four sets of new gloves are set out on a table at the rules meeting prior to the bout. The champion chooses his fight gloves first. The challenger has second pick. Then the champion chooses a back-up pair followed again by the challenger.

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The brand of glove is predetermined and then they pick. Some fighters feel that each individual set feels different than others even if they are the same brand

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I am sure that some Grant gloves feel more like Reyes gloves and vice versa.I just dont believe in the heavyweight division that tiny bit of difference makes a big difference.If this was a lower weight class it would make much more of a difference, but not when both guys are over 240lbs.I just don't buy it, never have.

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I understand that point. Once the big boys start throwing, you wouldnt think that what was on their hands would make that much difference. But some people think it really makes a difference.

Here is an article that was posted awhile back about gloves:
http://www.secondsout.com/usa/colhau...s=208&cs=17973

This is the thread that it was in so you can read everybodies comments about it. Some people posted some interesting stories that they have heard about the subject.
http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxing_fo...-t42275.0.html

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Thanks for the links.I had read that article before.Donald Turner said "That's nonsense. Eight ounces is eight ounces. The gloves don't knock you out; the fighter does."
While Teddy Atlas believes there is a difference, and Stewart also states that Reyes is also a lot harder on the hands of the guy wearing them.I wish they could ensure that all glove manufacturers use the same process of stitching and filling the gloves so there wouldn't be any difference in the brands.In any other sport they have one type of ball or puck, the home team doesn't get to pick the manufacturer before the game.I don't know how much sense that made but I hope you get where I am coming from.

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I agree but there is no way that that will ever happen. To much money involved on either side (manufacturer, promoters, fighters, etc...).

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Originally Posted by Klitschkofan

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Originally Posted by Bx730NY

i wish those klits would just get out the game.

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What are you talking about?Don King is the problem in this division not Wladimir!I am sure King is going to put off a huge payday like this because of a glove dispute. ::**

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I'm just reading between the lines. Dk said the glove issue was resolved awhile back and it wasn't until now that wlad made an issue of it. He's worried about losing his title now that Peter is close to finalizing a step aside offer and doesn't seem to wanna jeopardize their selfish dream of both holding world titles simultaneously. In fact, I don't think vitali is going to keep fighting after the maskaev fight if he gets it.

Sorry but I'm one of those paranoyd "everything is a conspiracy" type guys. I'm not trying to get on anyone's nerves but I had to let that out before I start arguing with the wife or not play with the kids today over it. ;D

This kind of stuff drives me nuts.

Just let each fighter choose which kind of gloves he wants to wear. Is it that difficult? I'm not talking about just this fight, but any fight.

If a guy wants to wear Reyes because he's a puncher, then let him wear Reyes. If a fighter has brittle hands and wants to wear Winning gloves to get more padding, then let him wear Winning.

Obviously you never know who to believe when Don King is involved, but if Wlad's camp are the people behind this, then I don't know what Wlad's problem is. If he wants to be considered the #1 heavyweight, then he would show up and KO this guy without worrying about whether Austin is wearing a puncher's glove or a standard glove or a pillow glove or whatever.

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Originally Posted by bilbo

I mean I can't imagine Roger Federer complaining that Andy Roddick was using a different racket to what he wanted him to? ???

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Maybe if they hit each other with rackets they would. ;D

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Originally Posted by boozeboxer

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Originally Posted by bilbo

I mean I can't imagine Roger Federer complaining that Andy Roddick was using a different racket to what he wanted him to? ???

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Maybe if they hit each other with rackets they would. ;D

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Classic ;D CC 74 that was good.

Does anyone know if this has been resolved yet? The fight is about 14 hours away and...I think it's about time we should hear news that this has been resolved :-\

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Originally Posted by bilbo

I mean I can't imagine Roger Federer complaining that Andy Roddick was using a different racket to what he wanted him to? ???

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Maybe if they hit each other with rackets they would. ;D

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haha that was funny :coolclick:

Thanks guys. CC's back......