joe fraizer vs larry holmes plus prime larry holmes vs mike tyson

yes i know tyson is in another one of my threads but people love to talk about tyson match ups so lets have it folks who wins holmes vs fraizer and holmes vs tyson

holmes outpoints frazier and tyson outpoints holmes IMO O0

Holmes wins both I think. Both tyson and frazier take a lot of punches b4 they get inside to inflict damage. Holmes with his super jab would keep them off balance most of the night. How good would it be ta see though...

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Holmes wins both I think. Both tyson and frazier take a lot of punches b4 they get inside to inflict damage. Holmes with his super jab would keep them off balance most of the night. How good would it be ta see though...

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what are u talking about, prime tyson hardly ever got caught.....frazier was the one who took one to give one

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Holmes wins both I think. Both tyson and frazier take a lot of punches b4 they get inside to inflict damage. Holmes with his super jab would keep them off balance most of the night. How good would it be ta see though...

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what are u talking about, prime tyson hardly ever got caught.....frazier was the one who took one to give one

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prime tyson sure got caught with holmes jab like when he danced in 4th round he caught tyson with 5 jabs and that was old shot one imagine young holmes being able to dance for full 12 ??

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Holmes wins both I think. Both tyson and frazier take a lot of punches b4 they get inside to inflict damage. Holmes with his super jab would keep them off balance most of the night. How good would it be ta see though...

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what are u talking about, prime tyson hardly ever got caught.....frazier was the one who took one to give one

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prime tyson sure got caught with holmes jab like when he danced in 4th round he caught tyson with 5 jabs and that was old shot one imagine young holmes being able to dance for full 12 ??

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yes if holmes could dance for 12 rounds which in his prime he could do then he would definatly land some shots on tyson but nothing big enough to rock tyson......i think tysons pressure and constant aggression would favour the judges.............holmes would have his hands full with both but i think he could edge out a points victory over frazier

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Holmes wins both I think. Both tyson and frazier take a lot of punches b4 they get inside to inflict damage. Holmes with his super jab would keep them off balance most of the night. How good would it be ta see though...

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what are u talking about, prime tyson hardly ever got caught.....frazier was the one who took one to give one

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prime tyson sure got caught with holmes jab like when he danced in 4th round he caught tyson with 5 jabs and that was old shot one imagine young holmes being able to dance for full 12 ??

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yes if holmes could dance for 12 rounds which in his prime he could do then he would definatly land some shots on tyson but nothing big enough to rock tyson......i think tysons pressure and constant aggression would favour the judges.............holmes would have his hands full with both but i think he could edge out a points victory over frazier

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i doubt he would rock tyson i think he would just dance all night winning snoozefest of 12 round decision and i think tyson would drop holmes in 6th round but holmes would survive and win boring decision

i would have loved to see holmes vs foreman...........WOW :o........i think holmes would have Knocked foremans a$$ out ;)

Holmes UD's Frazier
Tyson stops Holmes.....
*gets ready for ICB to argue* lool ;)

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Holmes UD's Frazier
Tyson stops Holmes.....
*gets ready for ICB to argue* lool ;)

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nah its cool mate i dont argue just love good debate i disagree but dont matter how quick do you think tyson stops prime holmes

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Holmes UD's Frazier
Tyson stops Holmes.....
*gets ready for ICB to argue* lool ;)

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nah its cool mate i dont argue just love good debate i disagree but dont matter how quick do you think tyson stops prime holmes

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Yeah i know fella i was only joking! But very late tbh mate....Holmes is a tough nut for anyone, great chin in his prime aswell but i just see around the 10/11th mike landing bombs galore and the ref stepping in.

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Tyson stops Holmes.....
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nah its cool mate i dont argue just love good debate i disagree but dont matter how quick do you think tyson stops prime holmes

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Yeah i know fella i was only joking! But very late tbh mate....Holmes is a tough nut for anyone, great chin in his prime aswell but i just see around the 10/11th mike landing bombs galore and the ref stepping in.

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not bad way of seeing it im not completely sure holmes would win but i see him winning 12 round decision but he tastes canvas in middle rounds

holmes is my favourite fighter in hw division gotta go with my favourite ;)

I think a lot of people purposely underestimate Tyson in fear of being labeled as one of the "uneducated, casual" boxing fans who hug Tyson's nuts. Just my opinion and not really directed at anyone in this thread...

That being said though, I think prime Holmes wins both. I have a really high opinion of Holmes, so much so that I would pick prime Holmes against prime anyone. While Frazier and Tyson would obviously have big puncher's chances, I'd still pick Holmes to outpoint both of them. Holmes was a tough guy, for him to take that Earnie Shavers bomb and not only get up but continue to win the fight was just incredible. I love Frazier and I love Tyson, but my money would go on Holmes all the way.

I think Holmes wins on points against Frazier but i think Tyson still ko's him he were'nt that far gone in there fight in 88 and lets not forget what holmes did after Tyson fight going distance with heavyweight champs Holyfield and Mcall and the mcall one was a juster

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I think Holmes wins on points against Frazier but i think Tyson still ko's him he were'nt that far gone in there fight in 88 and lets not forget what holmes did after Tyson fight going distance with heavyweight champs Holyfield and Mcall and the mcall one was a juster

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suppose you think tyson would ko everyone? he couldnt even ko tucker and bonecrusher what makes you think he could ko a young dancing larry holmes
.......i think tyson wins decision, but he would only get ko if holmes stoped moving and decided to fight tyson

Holmes win both fights by UD IMO. I think a prime Tyson would be the more difficult fight though. Holmes jab wins the fight for me!

Holmes wins both. Perfect style matchup for Larry. He is the blueprint for the type of fighter who can beat both Tyson and Frazier.
He's a tall fighter with a long reach and a GREAT jab, and they're both short fighters with short arms who are vulnerable to good jabs.

Holmes ud Frazier
Holmes ko 11 Tyson
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I think Holmes wins on points against Frazier but i think Tyson still ko's him he were'nt that far gone in there fight in 88 and lets not forget what holmes did after Tyson fight going distance with heavyweight champs Holyfield and Mcall and the mcall one was a juster

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suppose you think tyson would ko everyone? he couldnt even ko tucker and bonecrusher what makes you think he could ko a young dancing larry holmes
.......i think tyson wins decision, but he would only get ko if holmes stoped moving and decided to fight tyson

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No i don't think Tyson ko's everybody but i do think a prime Tyson would still ko a prime Holmes and regards to bonecrusher smith he was their just surviving for 12 rounds he did'nt realy open up and tucker was a good fighter he was unbeaten when they met and years later went distance with lennox so he could'nt be that bad

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I think Holmes wins on points against Frazier but i think Tyson still ko's him he were'nt that far gone in there fight in 88 and lets not forget what holmes did after Tyson fight going distance with heavyweight champs Holyfield and Mcall and the mcall one was a juster

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suppose you think tyson would ko everyone? he couldnt even ko tucker and bonecrusher what makes you think he could ko a young dancing larry holmes
.......i think tyson wins decision, but he would only get ko if holmes stoped moving and decided to fight tyson

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No i don't think Tyson ko's everybody but i do think a prime Tyson would still ko a prime Holmes and regards to bonecrusher smith he was their just surviving for 12 rounds he did'nt realy open up and tucker was a good fighter he was unbeaten when they met and years later went distance with lennox so he could'nt be that bad

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tony tucker went distance because he used movement and gave tyson some trouble correct ?? right holmes was far better at movement and speed than tucker in his prime and holmes chin was excellent aswell so why cant holmes go distance ??

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yes i know tyson is in another one of my threads but people love to talk about tyson match ups so lets have it folks who wins holmes vs fraizer and holmes vs tyson

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HOLMES would beat the shit out the two of them. They wouldnt even be close.

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I think Holmes wins on points against Frazier but i think Tyson still ko's him he were'nt that far gone in there fight in 88 and lets not forget what holmes did after Tyson fight going distance with heavyweight champs Holyfield and Mcall and the mcall one was a juster

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suppose you think tyson would ko everyone? he couldnt even ko tucker and bonecrusher what makes you think he could ko a young dancing larry holmes
.......i think tyson wins decision, but he would only get ko if holmes stoped moving and decided to fight tyson

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No i don't think Tyson ko's everybody but i do think a prime Tyson would still ko a prime Holmes and regards to bonecrusher smith he was their just surviving for 12 rounds he did'nt realy open up and tucker was a good fighter he was unbeaten when they met and years later went distance with lennox so he could'nt be that bad

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tony tucker went distance because he used movement and gave tyson some trouble correct ?? right holmes was far better at movement and speed than tucker in his prime and holmes chin was excellent aswell so why cant holmes go distance ??

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Just because Tucker went the distance i would'nt say he was giving Tyson trouble the scores reflect that.The reason i think he ko's Holmes is because he were'nt his best but he were'nt that far past it 3 knockdowns and the 3rd out cold and after the Tyson fight he did'nt do bad against champs some thought he beat Mcall i just think he would still catch up with Larry and it is'nt because im pro Tyson

tyson bruno,i think u underrate holmes alot............watch some prime larry holmes fights he shits all over tony tucker ;)

frazier-holmes -frazier ud or late ko

the frazier that beat ali--i think he could beat holmes--frazier would pressure holmes dig into the body and crash some left hooks 2 holmes face. but frazier would eat his jab all night

tyson-holmes--holmes---tyson barely beat quick tillis---how could he then beat a prime holmes?

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I think Holmes wins on points against Frazier but i think Tyson still ko's him he were'nt that far gone in there fight in 88 and lets not forget what holmes did after Tyson fight going distance with heavyweight champs Holyfield and Mcall and the mcall one was a juster

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suppose you think tyson would ko everyone? he couldnt even ko tucker and bonecrusher what makes you think he could ko a young dancing larry holmes
.......i think tyson wins decision, but he would only get ko if holmes stoped moving and decided to fight tyson

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there was only 2 ways to fight tyson in his prime,run or fight and holmes would run flicking the jab and a jabs not enough to bother tyson and if tyson and frazier fought well they had simimler styles but tyson was more classyer than frazier,and i think holmes and frazier would be like the ali frazier fights with probaly holmes getting the points decision or possably frazier catching him with a left hook but you could go on forever with who could beat who but great debates these are.

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frazier-holmes -frazier ud or late ko

the frazier that beat ali--i think he could beat holmes--frazier would pressure holmes dig into the body and crash some left hooks 2 holmes face. but frazier would eat his jab all night

tyson-holmes--holmes---tyson barely beat quick tillis---how could he then beat a prime holmes?

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It was clearly stated that Tyson was told to hold back on Quick Tills as he Tyson was nearing a championship fight and the question was could Iron mike go the distance so he just toyed with Tills and you can clearly see Tyson not realy being a animal....that fight was all about going the distance and he answerd the critics on that front then you get the sceptics saying ...aw he aint that good he didnt put him away...Tyson was perfectly harnessed as a youth step by step fight by fight you could see allsorts of apponents of hights size and weight....Mike was knocking them all out too quick the management thought wow what if this guy does have to go the distance and we aint got the answer to that yet but with that Tillis fight they got there answer and to me they purposefully set out to get that answer..Mike hardly went to the body his or one of his most deadly assets.IMO.

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frazier-holmes -frazier ud or late ko

the frazier that beat ali--i think he could beat holmes--frazier would pressure holmes dig into the body and crash some left hooks 2 holmes face. but frazier would eat his jab all night

tyson-holmes--holmes---tyson barely beat quick tillis---how could he then beat a prime holmes?

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It was clearly stated that Tyson was told to hold back on Quick Tills as he Tyson was nearing a championship fight and the question was could Iron mike go the distance so he just toyed with Tills and you can clearly see Tyson not realy being a animal....that fight was all about going the distance and he answerd the critics on that front then you get the sceptics saying ...aw he aint that good he didnt put him away...Tyson was perfectly harnessed as a youth step by step fight by fight you could see allsorts of apponents of hights size and weight....Mike was knocking them all out too quick the management thought wow what if this guy does have to go the distance and we aint got the answer to that yet but with that Tillis fight they got there answer and to me they purposefully set out to get that answer..Mike hardly went to the body his or one of his most deadly assets.IMO.

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held back on tillis i dont believe that for a second since when does mike go easy on anyone ??

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tyson bruno,i think u underrate holmes alot............watch some prime larry holmes fights he shits all over tony tucker ;)

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I know Holmes was good im not denying that but i still think Tyson catches up with him in same way and ko's him Tyson did'nt just beat him he destroyed him knocked him out cold

I think Frazier is a great fighter but, i don't see Frazier beating Larry Holmes. Larry will jab and move his way to victory. Joe got hit too much. As far as Tyson go that is a real hard one too call. When they fought i don't think Larry was that far removed from the fighter he use to be, but he did lose a step. Actually i am not sure i can see it going both ways. I am confused.:confused:

IMO Holmes' reached his peak in the Cooney fight.Everything came into motion that night. I believe that Larry would take both Frazier and Tyson.Constantly moving pumping that beautiful jab and that sharp right hand. You give me the Holmes who fight Spinks I believe both Frazier and Tyson would eat him up.

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Holmes wins both I think. Both tyson and frazier take a lot of punches b4 they get inside to inflict damage. Holmes with his super jab would keep them off balance most of the night. How good would it be ta see though...

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Almost word for word what Id have said

Holmes UD Fraiser
Tyson SD Holmes

Holmes wins both in his prime IMO.



I think Fraizer would be the tougher fight as the longer the fight goes the better he gets where as Tyson goes the other way.


Holmes jab wins the day in both fights,even if he has to get off the mat to to do it.

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I think Holmes wins on points against Frazier but i think Tyson still ko's him he were'nt that far gone in there fight in 88 and lets not forget what holmes did after Tyson fight going distance with heavyweight champs Holyfield and Mcall and the mcall one was a juster

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Not completly sure,but I think Holmes took the fight on short notice/he was out of shape,was lured into it by the money. I think Homes gets a SD over both.

I think Holmes loses both IMO.

vs Frazier, Larry would build up a points lead but Larry faded late in fights and Joe started SMOKIN in the middle rounds so I think either Larry would escape with an SD, lose by decision or get stopped. If Frazier gave ALI all he could handle 3 times then I think it's only fair that "Ali Light" (Larry Holmes) would have had even more trouble with him.


vs Tyson the fast start, combination punching and pure pressure Tyson would bring would yeild a similar result to the fight they actually fought only Larry may make it to the 6th-8th rounds.

I think the guys Holmes would have had success vs Holyfield had he caught him when Larry was in his Prime.

I go for Joe Frazier against big Larry, Prime Frazier 1968-71 was an awesome force, i think the first Ali fight took a lot out of him and he was never the same fighter again. Foreman blew him away in 73 but up until then Frazier was like a steam train coming at you. Like Ali found out in 71 Holmes would have found Frazier an awkward target coming at him from those unusual angles.
Prime Tyson in 86-89 has the same result when they actually fought.
I like Larry Holmes, i actually think he would have beaten Lennox Lewis easily over 15 rounds.

Holmes wins both fights via stoppage aver 15 rounds

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prime tyson sure got caught with holmes jab like when he danced in 4th round he caught tyson with 5 jabs and that was old shot one imagine young holmes being able to dance for full 12 ??

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Thing is, I reckon Tyson was a little sloppy in that fight because he knew Holmes had nothing to hurt him, he knew hed walk through him and he did.

A prime Holmes would get outworked but be able to make it messy like Smith did and hang on for a decision loss.

Tyson was a machine when he was young, 15 hard rounds of sparring every day, no one does that, which is why Mike was quick the whole fight, he wouldnt have slowed, it would look like the Tucker and Green fights;) Holmes would have tired before Mike swinging and missing, he would have had to resort to holding like they all did.

Holmes is also a very bitter man, he wouldnt be very complimentary of any boxer, he is sore that Mike wiped the floor with him, Holmes was still a very capable boxer as his fights with Mecer and Holyfield later proved.

He would have had ample time to train for the fight, there is no way that Mikes team back then would let Mike take a fighter like Holmes on short notice, they would have realised Holmes still had something and would have trained apropriately.

All that short notice stuff is bullshiit propoganda from Holmes, deep down Larry knows Mike was something special, it would be good to put Larry on a lie detector and ask him if he would have beaten Mike in his own prime, I dont think hed be too sure, for all his talk Mike smashed him through the canvas and tore in to him and he knows he still had some fight in him to try and hold Mike off but it was nowhere near enough.

Holmes Uds Tyson.

Holmes Sds Frazier.

Im talking 1987 Tyson and 1971 Frazier.