Mosley to Help De La Hoya Training

Initially I thought that Mayweather was going to beat De La Hoya mainly helped by his youth, speed and skills. However, it looks like Mosley will be traveling to Puerto Rico where De La Hoya is training to help him for this fight. This is making me change my mind on De La Hoya's opportunities against Floyd. I think that training with Mosley will make De La Hoya increase his potential (at his current age) and will increase his chances of winning. Not many boxers have the opportunity of training with partners of Mosley quality. And, other variable is that this is the first fight of Floyd at 154 and De La Hoya seems to be willing to stop and exchange punches looking for a KO. I really think this will make the fight more competitive and interesting, and I'm waiting to see what happens.

De La Hoya mentioned to the local newspapers in Puerto Rico that his is very motivated with this fight, and Floyds attitude. Actually, De La Hoya is indicating that he is planning to continue fighting instead of retiring as he had said before. He mentioned his desire to fight in Mexico and/or England.

Hey PRP.... how you doing? On that subject, I've always felt that ODLH's chances are very good to beat PBF. I don't want it to be that way, but a number of things tilt the balance in DLH's favor:

1. Oscar's experience will be a deciding factor. He'll use that in his favor.

2. They're fighting at 154. How Floyd got talked into this one, I'll never know. Oscar always seems to get his way. Chalk up another advantage for Oscar.

3. Floyd's tailor-made for Oscar. He's not exactly a puncher, so Oscar can afford to trade.

4. And now... the Mosley factor. Training with Mosley will definitely finish tilting the balance in Oscar's favor.

Like I've said in previous posts..... Oscar is a savvy businessman, with an uncanny sense of timing. AND, he's very careful with his legacy. He's not about to take a fight without all the chips being on his side of the table.

Good to see you here my friend. I know that comment you made was not making you a happy man, but we can also discuss down here in Puerto Rico with a "Medalla" beer. The beer will make both of us happy.

Training with Mosley is the last item that made me change my mind and start thinking that De La Hoya has the best chances of winning.

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Hey PRP.... how you doing? On that subject, I've always felt that ODLH's chances are very good to beat PBF. I don't want it to be that way, but a number of things tilt the balance in DLH's favor:

1. Oscar's experience will be a deciding factor. He'll use that in his favor.

2. They're fighting at 154. How Floyd got talked into this one, I'll never know. Oscar always seems to get his way. Chalk up another advantage for Oscar.

3. Floyd's tailor-made for Oscar. He's not exactly a puncher, so Oscar can afford to trade.

4. And now... the Mosley factor. Training with Mosley will definitely finish tilting the balance in Oscar's favor.

Like I've said in previous posts..... Oscar is a savvy businessman, with an uncanny sense of timing. AND, he's very careful with his legacy. He's not about to take a fight without all the chips being on his side of the table.

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:coolclick: Agreed...kind of.

As I already stated...I'm picking Floyd to outwork Oscar down the stretch but only on the grounds that he can withstand Oscar's flurry bursts that he busts out generally right in the middle of every round.

Now...as I also already stated...I'll go back & forth on this answer...basically because I am a fan of both Oscar & Floyd & I have also stated that this is the most ignorant fight that Floyd could have taken at this weight.

It's stupid.

Sorry folks...it is...for more on me original opinion...go here: http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxing_fo...-t40811.0.html

The link is there just as a self reminder...what can I say? I wanna keep up with how many times I flip flop on this one.

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Hey PRP.... how you doing? On that subject, I've always felt that ODLH's chances are very good to beat PBF. I don't want it to be that way, but a number of things tilt the balance in DLH's favor:

1. Oscar's experience will be a deciding factor. He'll use that in his favor.

2. They're fighting at 154. How Floyd got talked into this one, I'll never know. Oscar always seems to get his way. Chalk up another advantage for Oscar.

3. Floyd's tailor-made for Oscar. He's not exactly a puncher, so Oscar can afford to trade.

4. And now... the Mosley factor. Training with Mosley will definitely finish tilting the balance in Oscar's favor.

Like I've said in previous posts..... Oscar is a savvy businessman, with an uncanny sense of timing. AND, he's very careful with his legacy. He's not about to take a fight without all the chips being on his side of the table.

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That is key. Mayweather hasnt beaten an elite fighter since he fought at lightweight (I guess you could argue that Baldomir and Judah are "elite" but i dont think either is an A+ fighter, Oscar is). Now, he takes a fight at 154 against a slightly past his prime legend. The one thing that ive noticed in his fights at Welterweight is that his speed is not what it was at Lightweight.Thats expected. But now hes at light middleweight where he has never fought. Floyd would beat Oscar at welterweight, but im not so sure about 154.
Oscars main disadvantage is inactivity, and the possibility that he might get old overnight which imo couldhappen

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Good to see you here my friend. I know that comment you made was not making you a happy man, but we can also discuss down here in Puerto Rico with a "Medalla" beer. The beer will make both of us happy.

Training with Mosley is the last item that made me change my mind and start thinking that De La Hoya has the best chances of winning.

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Sounds like a good boxing discussion already. Got to see you on the forum today, PRP. And yeah......... I'm not exactly happy about the prospects of DLH beating Floyd and adding to his carefully constructed legacy, but if I were to put money down..... right now I'd bet on Oscar.

(sigh)

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Hey PRP.... how you doing? On that subject, I've always felt that ODLH's chances are very good to beat PBF. I don't want it to be that way, but a number of things tilt the balance in DLH's favor:

1. Oscar's experience will be a deciding factor. He'll use that in his favor.

2. They're fighting at 154. How Floyd got talked into this one, I'll never know. Oscar always seems to get his way. Chalk up another advantage for Oscar.

3. Floyd's tailor-made for Oscar. He's not exactly a puncher, so Oscar can afford to trade.

4. And now... the Mosley factor. Training with Mosley will definitely finish tilting the balance in Oscar's favor.

Like I've said in previous posts..... Oscar is a savvy businessman, with an uncanny sense of timing. AND, he's very careful with his legacy. He's not about to take a fight without all the chips being on his side of the table.

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1. Oscar has 5 more pro fights than Floyd. That might be an advantage if one guy has 6 pro fights and the other has 1, but when it's 42 and 37, it's zero advantage.

2. This is the only advantage Oscar carries into this fight, and like every other fighter Floyd moved up to face, it won't mean a thing after the fight's over.

3. Sorry to break this to you, but no 'boxer' is 'tailor made' for Oscar. The only fighters who've truly beaten him or given him the scares of his career have been boxers. If you could ask Oscar the one style he would not want to face, it would be that of a good athletic boxer.

4. This ain't Rocky III. Having a pro train you for 8 weeks doesn't give you their skills.

Like I've said in previous posts..... Oscar is a savvy businessman, with an uncanny sense of timing. AND, he's very careful with his legacy. He's not about to take a fight without all the chips being on his side of the table.
(I guess you've never heard of Bernard Hopkins.)

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Hey PRP.... how you doing? On that subject, I've always felt that ODLH's chances are very good to beat PBF. I don't want it to be that way, but a number of things tilt the balance in DLH's favor:

1. Oscar's experience will be a deciding factor. He'll use that in his favor.

2. They're fighting at 154. How Floyd got talked into this one, I'll never know. Oscar always seems to get his way. Chalk up another advantage for Oscar.

3. Floyd's tailor-made for Oscar. He's not exactly a puncher, so Oscar can afford to trade.

4. And now... the Mosley factor. Training with Mosley will definitely finish tilting the balance in Oscar's favor.

Like I've said in previous posts..... Oscar is a savvy businessman, with an uncanny sense of timing. AND, he's very careful with his legacy. He's not about to take a fight without all the chips being on his side of the table.

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1. Oscar has 5 more pro fights than Floyd. That might be an advantage if one guy has 6 pro fights and the other has 1, but when it's 42 and 37, it's zero advantage.

2. This is the only advantage Oscar carries into this fight, and like every other fighter Floyd moved up to face, it won't mean a thing after the fight's over.

3. Sorry to break this to you, but no 'boxer' is 'tailor made' for Oscar. The only fighters who've truly beaten him or given him the scares of his career have been boxers. If you could ask Oscar the one style he would not want to face, it would be that of a good athletic boxer.

4. This ain't Rocky III. Having a pro train you for 8 weeks doesn't give you their skills.

Like I've said in previous posts..... Oscar is a savvy businessman, with an uncanny sense of timing. AND, he's very careful with his legacy. He's not about to take a fight without all the chips being on his side of the table.
(I guess you've never heard of Bernard Hopkins.)

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1. Boxing experience is not always strictly a number of how many fights you have. It's a little more complicated than that. JCC Jr. has more pro fights than Miguel Cotto. Does that make him more experienced? It's the nature of the fights and what you've learned from them.

2. I'm glad you agree.

3. I guess we'll agree to disagree. Oscar's not gonna risk getting knocked on his a$$ by a good puncher. And please don't mention the Tito-damaged Mayorga. Oscar knew exactly when to take this guy on. If Floyd, on top of being the boxer he is, could punch worth a damn at 154, there would BE no fight.

4. Again, I guess we'll just have to disagree. Oscar doesn't need Mosley to "give him his skills." I'd like to think he's got skills of his own. A little fine-tuning? Yes. Unless of course you feel there's no value in that, either.

And yes..... I've heard of Bernard Hopkins. But tell me. What the hell does that have to do with what I stated?

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Hey PRP.... how you doing? On that subject, I've always felt that ODLH's chances are very good to beat PBF. I don't want it to be that way, but a number of things tilt the balance in DLH's favor:

1. Oscar's experience will be a deciding factor. He'll use that in his favor.

2. They're fighting at 154. How Floyd got talked into this one, I'll never know. Oscar always seems to get his way. Chalk up another advantage for Oscar.

3. Floyd's tailor-made for Oscar. He's not exactly a puncher, so Oscar can afford to trade.

4. And now... the Mosley factor. Training with Mosley will definitely finish tilting the balance in Oscar's favor.

Like I've said in previous posts..... Oscar is a savvy businessman, with an uncanny sense of timing. AND, he's very careful with his legacy. He's not about to take a fight without all the chips being on his side of the table.

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1. Oscar has 5 more pro fights than Floyd. That might be an advantage if one guy has 6 pro fights and the other has 1, but when it's 42 and 37, it's zero advantage.

2. This is the only advantage Oscar carries into this fight, and like every other fighter Floyd moved up to face, it won't mean a thing after the fight's over.

3. Sorry to break this to you, but no 'boxer' is 'tailor made' for Oscar. The only fighters who've truly beaten him or given him the scares of his career have been boxers. If you could ask Oscar the one style he would not want to face, it would be that of a good athletic boxer.

4. This ain't Rocky III. Having a pro train you for 8 weeks doesn't give you their skills.

Like I've said in previous posts..... Oscar is a savvy businessman, with an uncanny sense of timing. AND, he's very careful with his legacy. He's not about to take a fight without all the chips being on his side of the table.
(I guess you've never heard of Bernard Hopkins.)

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1. Boxing experience is not always strictly a number of how many fights you have. It's a little more complicated than that. JCC Jr. has more pro fights than Miguel Cotto. Does that make him more experienced? It's the nature of the fights and what you've learned from them.

2. I'm glad you agree.

3. I guess we'll agree to disagree. Oscar's not gonna risk getting knocked on his a$$ by a good puncher. And please don't mention the Tito-damaged Mayorga. Oscar knew exactly when to take this guy on. If Floyd, on top of being the boxer he is, could punch worth a damn at 154, there would BE no fight.

4. Again, I guess we'll just have to disagree. Oscar doesn't need Mosley to "give him his skills." I'd like to think he's got skills of his own. A little fine-tuning? Yes. Unless of course you feel there's no value in that, either.

And yes..... I've heard of Bernard Hopkins. But tell me. What the hell does that have to do with what I stated?

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Can you read the quote I put above the last statement? I thought you said Oscar's not about to take a fight without all the chips being on his side of the table? Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't he sign to fight Bernard Hopkins ??? ::**

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Hey PRP.... how you doing? On that subject, I've always felt that ODLH's chances are very good to beat PBF. I don't want it to be that way, but a number of things tilt the balance in DLH's favor:

1. Oscar's experience will be a deciding factor. He'll use that in his favor.

2. They're fighting at 154. How Floyd got talked into this one, I'll never know. Oscar always seems to get his way. Chalk up another advantage for Oscar.

3. Floyd's tailor-made for Oscar. He's not exactly a puncher, so Oscar can afford to trade.

4. And now... the Mosley factor. Training with Mosley will definitely finish tilting the balance in Oscar's favor.

Like I've said in previous posts..... Oscar is a savvy businessman, with an uncanny sense of timing. AND, he's very careful with his legacy. He's not about to take a fight without all the chips being on his side of the table.

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1. Oscar has 5 more pro fights than Floyd. That might be an advantage if one guy has 6 pro fights and the other has 1, but when it's 42 and 37, it's zero advantage.

2. This is the only advantage Oscar carries into this fight, and like every other fighter Floyd moved up to face, it won't mean a thing after the fight's over.

3. Sorry to break this to you, but no 'boxer' is 'tailor made' for Oscar. The only fighters who've truly beaten him or given him the scares of his career have been boxers. If you could ask Oscar the one style he would not want to face, it would be that of a good athletic boxer.

4. This ain't Rocky III. Having a pro train you for 8 weeks doesn't give you their skills.

Like I've said in previous posts..... Oscar is a savvy businessman, with an uncanny sense of timing. AND, he's very careful with his legacy. He's not about to take a fight without all the chips being on his side of the table.
(I guess you've never heard of Bernard Hopkins.)

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1. Boxing experience is not always strictly a number of how many fights you have. It's a little more complicated than that. JCC Jr. has more pro fights than Miguel Cotto. Does that make him more experienced? It's the nature of the fights and what you've learned from them.

2. I'm glad you agree.

3. I guess we'll agree to disagree. Oscar's not gonna risk getting knocked on his a$$ by a good puncher. And please don't mention the Tito-damaged Mayorga. Oscar knew exactly when to take this guy on. If Floyd, on top of being the boxer he is, could punch worth a damn at 154, there would BE no fight.

4. Again, I guess we'll just have to disagree. Oscar doesn't need Mosley to "give him his skills." I'd like to think he's got skills of his own. A little fine-tuning? Yes. Unless of course you feel there's no value in that, either.

And yes..... I've heard of Bernard Hopkins. But tell me. What the hell does that have to do with what I stated?

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Can you read the quote I put above the last statement? I thought you said Oscar's not about to take a fight without all the chips being on his side of the table? Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't he sign to fight Bernard Hopkins ??? ::**

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One of the few miscalculations of Oscar's career. I figure he probably thought: "If Tito went up to 160 and won a fight before losing to Hopkins, maybe I can do him one better."

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Hey PRP.... how you doing? On that subject, I've always felt that ODLH's chances are very good to beat PBF. I don't want it to be that way, but a number of things tilt the balance in DLH's favor:

1. Oscar's experience will be a deciding factor. He'll use that in his favor.

2. They're fighting at 154. How Floyd got talked into this one, I'll never know. Oscar always seems to get his way. Chalk up another advantage for Oscar.

3. Floyd's tailor-made for Oscar. He's not exactly a puncher, so Oscar can afford to trade.

4. And now... the Mosley factor. Training with Mosley will definitely finish tilting the balance in Oscar's favor.

Like I've said in previous posts..... Oscar is a savvy businessman, with an uncanny sense of timing. AND, he's very careful with his legacy. He's not about to take a fight without all the chips being on his side of the table.

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CC#188 very good points and key things that will be deciding factors for this fight.....
One things for sure it's gonna be a helluva night.... 8)

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Hey PRP.... how you doing? On that subject, I've always felt that ODLH's chances are very good to beat PBF. I don't want it to be that way, but a number of things tilt the balance in DLH's favor:

1. Oscar's experience will be a deciding factor. He'll use that in his favor.

2. They're fighting at 154. How Floyd got talked into this one, I'll never know. Oscar always seems to get his way. Chalk up another advantage for Oscar.

3. Floyd's tailor-made for Oscar. He's not exactly a puncher, so Oscar can afford to trade.

4. And now... the Mosley factor. Training with Mosley will definitely finish tilting the balance in Oscar's favor.

Like I've said in previous posts..... Oscar is a savvy businessman, with an uncanny sense of timing. AND, he's very careful with his legacy. He's not about to take a fight without all the chips being on his side of the table.

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CC#188 very good points and key things that will be deciding factors for this fight.....
One things for sure it's gonna be a helluva night.... 8)

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CC back, CMM. And you're right.... it should be a helluva night. The only thing that can take away from the fight (aside from a questionable decision), and I hope it doesn't happen, is if either or both fighters come to the ring looking NOT to get knocked out. If they let it all hang out, it should be a hell of an entertaining fight.

I REALLLLLLLLLLY want Oscar to win but I just don't see how he will.

In his prime he could not beat Shane who even in that fight was nowhere as fleet footed as Floyd will be.

Floyd will most likely come in light making it even more difficult for Oscar to catch him.

Oscars best punch is his left hook,Floyd knows this and will negate by all means necessary and if you can take that away from Oscar,you at least half his chances of winning.


Oscar has fought 3 times in like 2.5 years,inactivity catches up to everyone,no matter how good you are.And he's not getting any younger.

Oscar has never been a great pressure fighter,and I don't recall the last time I saw him throwing double and triple jabs and banging to the body(things he has said he will do against Floyd)

Granted Oscar will be bigger and stronger but most guys have had that advantage over Floyd.Oscar has much more experience in big fight situations but Floyd does not look like he will wilt. I also agree that Oscar's timing is impeccable,he knows when to make the fights and he would not take a fight he knew that he had no chance of winning but I just don't see how he can win.

Mosley certainly will assist Oscar in dealing with Floyd's handspeed but Oscar needs to spar with fleet footed fighters,learn to wear the body down,throws punches in bunches,cut off the ring,pressure pressure pressure,rough Floyd up on the inside,double jab,triple jab,these are all things I have not seen Oscar combine for a long long time,if ever. That's a lot of things to do! I just don't see it happening but oh how I would love to see that left hook land!!! ;D :D :D :D :D

We're totally on opposite sides of the fence, E.G. You want Oscar to win, but you think Floyd will win instead. I, on the other hand, would dearly love for Oscar to lose, but I happen to think he's got the better chance to win the fight. Weird, huh?

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We're totally on opposite sides of the fence, E.G. You want Oscar to win, but you think Floyd will win instead. I, on the other hand, would dearly love for Oscar to lose, but I happen to think he's got the better chance to win the fight. Weird, huh?

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:D :D :D :D :D Totally weird bro especially as we almost always agree(the few times I catch you online!) I see your points but I think the points I made,the adjustments Oscar has to make,allllllll those things he has to do which he has either not done before or has not done for a long time,will make it difficult for him. I think the size of the ring could be important too,Floyd,in the ring in which he fought Baldo,is dam near unbeatable,I mean with his speed and fantastic defence! Oscar needs to get a smaller ring too,Reyes gloves,154 pounds,heck put in a stipulation that the fighters MUST weigh 154 pounds! ;D

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We're totally on opposite sides of the fence, E.G. You want Oscar to win, but you think Floyd will win instead. I, on the other hand, would dearly love for Oscar to lose, but I happen to think he's got the better chance to win the fight. Weird, huh?

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:D :D :D :D :D Totally weird bro especially as we almost always agree(the few times I catch you online!) I see your points but I think the points I made,the adjustments Oscar has to make,allllllll those things he has to do which he has either not done before or has not done for a long time,will make it difficult for him. I think the size of the ring could be important too,Floyd,in the ring in which he fought Baldo,is dam near unbeatable,I mean with his speed and fantastic defence! Oscar needs to get a smaller ring too,Reyes gloves,154 pounds,heck put in a stipulation that the fighters MUST weigh 154 pounds! ;D

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How right you are, my friend. We almost always agree. On this one, I'd still bet on Oscar..... but I gotta admit it could be a pretty close fight. A lot depends on Floyd's focus. To me, there's no question about Oscar's focus. He'll be hell bent on building on his legacy, and doesn't want to go out with a whimper. But Floyd's focus could be another story, IMO. Definitely a bigger ring would help Floyd, he of the faster feet. But I don't know...... there's some intangibles out there that still make me think that Oscar will pull it off. And if it comes down to a decision, I also think Oscar will get the nod.

Yep,I agree,there are some intangibles and IF Oscar lands,Floyd will NEVER have been hit as hard,how will he react?(hopefully he'll be KTFO) but I think between us,we have made nearly every point for both sides! ;D and I honestly hope,for once,that Oscar gets a decision!! I said as soon as the fight was announced and I'll keep on saying it,there will be a rematch for sure. What makes you question Floyd' focus bro? He always seems pretty focussed to me!

I don't know. Call it a gut feeling. All I know is that I think Oscar will prepare for this fight like never before. His legacy's at stake (at least in his eyes). Floyd will be out to prove something, but I just don't know how seriously he'll bear down on Oscar. With all the p4p talk, he may make the mistake of not taking an aging DLH too seriously. Again, just a gut feeling. Sometimes it's not much to go on, but it's still there.

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I don't know. Call it a gut feeling. All I know is that I think Oscar will prepare for this fight like never before. His legacy's at stake (at least in his eyes). Floyd will be out to prove something, but I just don't know how seriously he'll bear down on Oscar. With all the p4p talk, he may make the mistake of not taking an aging DLH too seriously. Again, just a gut feeling. Sometimes it's not much to go on, but it's still there.

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I actually think Oscar's legacy is on the line here.I mean if he loses this,he will have lost quite a few of his big fights. He will be remembered more for his looks,his appeal and his losses than his wins. I think Tito is clearly ahead of him,this would give him a huge leap to at least catch up to Trinidad and confirm himself as a true legend.

Truth is speed is Mayweathers best friend on this matter.....IMO he is not a better all around than DLH and he is definatly not stronger or does he posess the power to KO him...If Oscar can figure out a way to handle Floyds speed the fight is all his

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Hey PRP.... how you doing? On that subject, I've always felt that ODLH's chances are very good to beat PBF. I don't want it to be that way, but a number of things tilt the balance in DLH's favor:

1. Oscar's experience will be a deciding factor. He'll use that in his favor.

2. They're fighting at 154. How Floyd got talked into this one, I'll never know. Oscar always seems to get his way. Chalk up another advantage for Oscar.

3. Floyd's tailor-made for Oscar. He's not exactly a puncher, so Oscar can afford to trade.

4. And now... the Mosley factor. Training with Mosley will definitely finish tilting the balance in Oscar's favor.

Like I've said in previous posts..... Oscar is a savvy businessman, with an uncanny sense of timing. AND, he's very careful with his legacy. He's not about to take a fight without all the chips being on his side of the table.

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1. Oscar has 5 more pro fights than Floyd. That might be an advantage if one guy has 6 pro fights and the other has 1, but when it's 42 and 37, it's zero advantage.

2. This is the only advantage Oscar carries into this fight, and like every other fighter Floyd moved up to face, it won't mean a thing after the fight's over.

3. Sorry to break this to you, but no 'boxer' is 'tailor made' for Oscar. The only fighters who've truly beaten him or given him the scares of his career have been boxers. If you could ask Oscar the one style he would not want to face, it would be that of a good athletic boxer.

4. This ain't Rocky III. Having a pro train you for 8 weeks doesn't give you their skills.

Like I've said in previous posts..... Oscar is a savvy businessman, with an uncanny sense of timing. AND, he's very careful with his legacy. He's not about to take a fight without all the chips being on his side of the table.
(I guess you've never heard of Bernard Hopkins.)

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1. Boxing experience is not always strictly a number of how many fights you have. It's a little more complicated than that. JCC Jr. has more pro fights than Miguel Cotto. Does that make him more experienced? It's the nature of the fights and what you've learned from them.

2. I'm glad you agree.

3. I guess we'll agree to disagree. Oscar's not gonna risk getting knocked on his a$$ by a good puncher. And please don't mention the Tito-damaged Mayorga. Oscar knew exactly when to take this guy on. If Floyd, on top of being the boxer he is, could punch worth a damn at 154, there would BE no fight.

4. Again, I guess we'll just have to disagree. Oscar doesn't need Mosley to "give him his skills." I'd like to think he's got skills of his own. A little fine-tuning? Yes. Unless of course you feel there's no value in that, either.

And yes..... I've heard of Bernard Hopkins. But tell me. What the hell does that have to do with what I stated?

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Can you read the quote I put above the last statement? I thought you said Oscar's not about to take a fight without all the chips being on his side of the table? Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't he sign to fight Bernard Hopkins ??? ::**

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Seems like he made a great business decision to me despite losing to Hopkins he is soon to make more millions. Losing to a larger skilled champion is nothing to hide from. And I agree if PBF had a punch this fight would not exist. For De La hoya to think hs can do better than Judah & JLC did in his 1st fight with PBF is obvious. Does anyone think Castillo, Corales, Judah, Baldomar, Gatti mirror De La Hoyas skill ? Then add in the jump in weight for PBF without a tuneup at that level ....... hmmmm sounds like Oscar's not about to take a fight without all the chips being on his side of the table. Just curious as to the how the level of competition ODH has fought , how many days have they reigned as champion vs PBF opponents, how many belts earned?

Ring rust is over rated!!

I firmly believe a good rest does elite boxers the world of good, especially when they carry injuries. So long as they look after their bodies i.e. don't abuse roids.

Mark my words.. When Floyd loses this one it will be because he hurt his hand. ^-^

If they stand centre ring trading in what appears to be an all out war and Oscar loses a decision then 2 days later PBF joins Golden Boy Promotions I'll be physically sick!!

I think people are forgetting. Mosley is not Mayweather, and though his speed will help prepare ODLH for Mayweather Mosley isn't even close to as fast as Mayweather in this stage of his career, and he doesn't throw the same punches. Like PBF said ODLH could be faster and stronger, and still it wouldn't make a difference in the fight because PBF is so good.

Thats the thing, I haven't seen Mayweather be "so good' in a long time. Mayweather is good but people forget that Oscar is as talented a fighter as anyone out there. Plus, people don't bring up the fact that Oscar stated he had never lifted weights, but before the Mayorga fight he did so to improve his power. He knocked down an iron jawed Mayorga in the first round with a RIGHT HAND...making me think that Mayweather will be Ko'd in the middle rounds. DLH is too big for Mayweather, the same way Hopkins was for DLH

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Originally Posted by bigjess31

Thats the thing, I haven't seen Mayweather be "so good' in a long time. Mayweather is good but people forget that Oscar is as talented a fighter as anyone out there. Plus, people don't bring up the fact that Oscar stated he had never lifted weights, but before the Mayorga fight he did so to improve his power. He knocked down an iron jawed Mayorga in the first round with a RIGHT HAND...making me think that Mayweather will be Ko'd in the middle rounds. DLH is too big for Mayweather, the same way Hopkins was for DLH

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My sentiments exactly. I feel the same as I did about ODH vs Hopkins. PBF may out box him for a while, but eventually he's going to take some punches. When he does I don't think he's going to react well. I just don't see PBF being strong enough to win this fight. And the chance PBF has is to run, I highly doubt the judges will give him a win if he does that. This is being hyped as the fight of the century, PBF is saying he's going to stand and trade, if he doesn't he's not winning a decision. I and most of the other people will feel that he scammed us into buying this fight by lying and NEVER intending to fight, just run. PBF will not win a decision if he doesn't make this action packed. And PBF has little chance to ko ODH.

Oscar has power in both hands. People think he is just the left hook. I honestly feel Mayweather is in a lose/lose situation. I don't care what he says to the press...there is no way in hell he will trade with Oscar. Floyd might get away with being cute against slow fighters like Baldomir and Gatti....but Oscar, even at this stage, has great skill and power. If Floyd tries to keep a distance the whole fight....the crowd, and potentially the judges, could turn on him. Is that his fault...not really...but that's just reality.

I think ODH has made a mistake with this one. regardless of his flaws, PBF always comes in top shape and is hardly ever complacent. Any time people have questioned him and he has had to step up he has so enphatically. Some times so much that people end up doubting the quality of the opponent. ODH is a talented experienced pro and all Mosley will provide him with is top quality sparring.
PBF won't stand and trade, he will stand on the outside and pot-shot and point score. He won't hurt ODH but I think he will irritate and frustrate him. PBF is a counter puncher and I don't think ODH is at his best coming forward and closing someone down. PBF will be willing to out box and speed ODH from the outside forcing ODH to come forward.
If ODH is going to spend the night looking for the punch that gets PBF into trouble then it may not come. In any case, even if he does get tagged he quick enough on his feet to stay away from trouble until he recovered. Hell he's got the reflexes to stay out of trouble on the ropes.
I'm making my stand and sticking my neck out............
PBF on points!!!!!!! ;D

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He mentioned his desire to fight in Mexico and/or England.

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this bit really intrests me... imagine Ricky coming through Castillo and the formalty of DLH beating Mayweather.

DLH vs Hatton was nearly a done deal at the start of this year so it could happen again....

DO WE HAVE A VENUE BIG ENOUGH IN THE UK FOR DLH VS HATTON :o

by the way the clue is in the "Mexico ((Castillo)) and/or England ((Hatton))

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Originally Posted by Puerto Rican Punch

He mentioned his desire to fight in Mexico and/or England.

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this bit really intrests me... imagine Ricky coming through Castillo and the formalty of DLH beating Mayweather.

DLH vs Hatton was nearly a done deal at the start of this year so it could happen again....

DO WE HAVE A VENUE BIG ENOUGH IN THE UK FOR DLH VS HATTON :o

by the way the clue is in the "Mexico ((Castillo)) and/or England ((Hatton))

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great fight to end both careers ;)

;D

it was going to be at 140 :o

so im not so sure ;)

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Thats the thing, I haven't seen Mayweather be "so good' in a long time. Mayweather is good but people forget that Oscar is as talented a fighter as anyone out there. Plus, people don't bring up the fact that Oscar stated he had never lifted weights, but before the Mayorga fight he did so to improve his power. He knocked down an iron jawed Mayorga in the first round with a RIGHT HAND...making me think that Mayweather will be Ko'd in the middle rounds. DLH is too big for Mayweather, the same way Hopkins was for DLH

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It was a left hook, and did you see Mayweather fights in the past 4-5 years? He destroyed Gatti, and though alot of people can beat Gatti none like that. Gatti couldn't even hit him. Same with Baldomir. He adapted to beat the toughest Judah we've ever seen who one of the physically most gifted people to ever box. We saw him beat Corley in close. Mayweather has looked amazing for almost every fight excluding the one he really hurt his hand against Hernandez, and his first fight with Castillo.

I've seen all those fights and you're way over hyping his spectacularity in them. The man I saw beat Gatti worse than that was named OSCAR DE LA HOYA....when Gatti was in his prime. Judah is a good fighter, but he is very small and tired out after easily winning the first part of that fight. And my bad, the right hand set up the big left hook, but Oscar's right is no pushover, he is no longer one handed.

Sparring Mosley is a good workout but Mayweather is a different fighter altogether and Oscar fought Mosley twice, he knows how to fight Mayweather, but can he do what he needs to do. I think Mayweather is less physical than Mosley but a sharper puncher. So Oscar will not be worn out as much as hurt by different punches.. Can Oscar win? Yeah but this is not Mayorga.. Mayorga was made for Oscar. When was the last time Oscar beat someone who was good and fast? The only factor which I think is in Oscar's favor is the weight, yet how much is the weight factor? Floyd looks ok at 147 and Oscar cannot fight at 160.. So Floyds optimal weight to me is 141 or 142 and Oscars is 152.. So if they fight at 154 it is Oscar's advantage but still can Oscar land his punches and not get countered. Can he use his advantage which is at least 5 pounds advantage? Not alot when you consider all the other intangibles like speed and activity and peaks. To me it looks like Floyd wins a decision or maybe tries to get to that soft spot on the body which Bernard found.

The weight is not a deciding factor...just look at what Baldo walked in the ring weighing.Experience wise...I think its pretty even.Floyd was born into the sport.Floyd UD