Things just got a lot hotter at 200+ lbs...will you, the fans, take notice?

Things just got a hell of a lot hotter at 200+ lbs.

So…now that the temp is starting to rise…will fans take notice?

Trust me…it’s now or never for the division…& if we don’t show any interest now…something’s wrong with us as fans.

Over the weekend the IBF/IBO’s heavyweight champ Wladimir Klitschko (48 wins, 3 losses, & 43 ko’s) showed out as best he could. He blasted mandatory challenger Ray Austin (24 wins, 4 losses, 4 draws, & 16 ko’s) out of the ring on Saturday night in front of roughly 16,000 knockout hungry fans at the SAP Arena in Mannheim, Germany. Klitschko hammered Austin with four huge left hooks in round two sending him to the canvas head first. Try as he might, Austin was unable to beat the count of referee Eddie Cotton & that was that. The end came at the time of 1:27 in the second round. This opened up the door for much discussed future unification bouts against either Valuev, Maskaev, or Briggs.


On the same night, the WBO’s #1 contender at 200lbs was equally impressive in his outting. Sultan Ibragimov (20 wins, 0 losses, 1 draw, & 17 ko’s) took 46 seconds to stop Javier Mora (21 wins, 4 losses, 1 draw, & 17 ko’s) at the Madison Square Garden Theater. Ibragimov came straight out & dropped Mora with a left hook. Mora barely beat the count. The minute he made it back to his feet Ibragimov sent him back to the canvas & the fight was stopped. Like Klitschko, Ibragimov was set to face the loudmouthed Briggs & negotiations fell by the wayside. One time it was supposedly Klitschko’s fault the other time against Austin…Briggs either had asthma or pneumonia.

Go Briggs. Let it be known that I would love to see him get KTFO.

One can only wish & hope & pray.

Another undefeated champ is mixing words of unification also. After seeing Wladimir’s bout over the weekend, the WBA’s heavyweight champion Nikolai Valuev (46 wins, 0 losses, & 34 ko‘s). confirmed that he is more than just vaguely interested in a unification showdown with the youngest Klitschko. First & foremost, Valuev has to make it through his undefeated mandatory challenger Ruslan Chagaev (22 wins, 1 draw, & 17 ko‘s) on April 14, 2007.

If he does blast through Chagaev…Wladimir seems to be the logical choice…either him or Maskaev or maybe even the returning eldest Klitschko brother Vitali.


Like I said…things are heating up.

Thoughts?

Yeah I agree with you and said as much in another thread. The heavyweights are still a great division to watch in my opinion and we are finally seperating the wheat from the chaff.

I disagree about Sultan being impressive though, he looks like he should have a pitchfork in his hand rathe rather than gloves. :-\

Well, I'll be happy if we could have 2 or 3 champions at this point. 4 is just to much. I think we are beginning to see the light at the end of the tunnel for the heavyweights. As much as I rag on Valeuv, and how little I value his skills, fighting Chagaev is a good step forward and I believe him and his camp will try to make a Klitschko.

And at some point they are going to have to face each other because Sultan and Peter are the only two real contenders out there and the champions have already faced enough mandatories or tune up fights to last them a lifetime. If not 2007, 2008 should be the real definitive year for the heavys. As insignificant as yesterday's fight was, I think it should speed up the unification of the belts.

But I'm more excited for what we have coming up. I think we have some really good heavyweight prospects not just for 2008 but for 2009 and 2010. My favorite prospect in almost all of boxing is a heavweight. Aaron Williams out of Cleveland. One of the best amateurs ever to come from the Cleveland amateur scene.

Now he's a pro. Really fast. Works well with both hands. Punches in high volume. Has good defense. Decent pop. Throws real straight and doesn't throw the same combo twice. Works good from the outside and and inside out. REALLY someone to look out for. Only 20 years old and a cruiserweight. Absolute manchild and I really really believe he has the potential to be something special.

http://www.boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=297748

Valeuv vs. Wladdy HAS to come off this year.......

My moneys on Wladdy to clean up the div. I just think hes smart enough to do it and seems to have everything going for him.....

It always seems like things are heading in the right direction when Wladimir wins that easy.....I just wonder what other sacrificial lamb will Don King throw to the wolves to keep his champions safe????

Valuev did say "Of course it depends on my management but I am ready to get in the same ring with Wladimir at any time."

Which is code for "I like the idea of beating Wlad and the money I'll get but I don't know if I want a CERTAIN loss on my record"

i gues im the only one that thinks chagaev wil lbeat him right he beat ruiz which is a task to do regardless of wahta u ppl say he just makes fighters look bad and when monte barett landed a big right it rocjed vluev chagaev could do the same but i think klithcko will rule the divsion

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It always seems like things are heading in the right direction when Wladimir wins that easy.....I just wonder what other sacrificial lamb will Don King throw to the wolves to keep his champions safe????

Valuev did say "Of course it depends on my management but I am ready to get in the same ring with Wladimir at any time."

Which is code for "I like the idea of beating Wlad and the money I'll get but I don't know if I want a CERTAIN loss on my record"

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Disagree Lyle. I think what Valuev really means is "Of course it depends if my management can bribe me into getting in the ring with Wladimir and have him expose me for the fraud I am"

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It always seems like things are heading in the right direction when Wladimir wins that easy.....I just wonder what other sacrificial lamb will Don King throw to the wolves to keep his champions safe????

Valuev did say "Of course it depends on my management but I am ready to get in the same ring with Wladimir at any time."

Which is code for "I like the idea of beating Wlad and the money I'll get but I don't know if I want a CERTAIN loss on my record"

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Disagree Lyle. I think what Valuev really means is "Of course it depends if my management can bribe me into getting in the ring with Wladimir and have him expose me for the fraud I am"

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you guys are both wrong what he saying is "im going to say i want to fight him so ppl think i do and then tell my team i was bluffin so they could get me out of it"

While we're on the subject..


How about Wlad's footwork last night? Am i the only one who noticed? He looked positively liquid on his toes and he totally dominated a guy that decisively drew with Ibragimov.

He looks stronger than ever too, does Ole Wlad and i LOVE that he holds the right hand back. What kind of psychological mindf**k is that to an opponent to not see a right for that long?? I think Wlad's power gets overlooked alot on account of everyone is watching to see if he'll have a meltdown.

I think Wlad is nigh unstoppable. His loss to Sanders and Brewster both sharpened him up and humbled him. Very powerful things, both. His win over Peter was a huge boost to his confidence and even more so because he had to pick himself up three times.

Wlad looked like a premier fighter last night. Don't be so quick to just call Austin a joke. THAT Wlad would take anyone.

He definitely looked good but Austin is terrible. Compared to the rest of the top heavys anyways... The guys two biggest victories were ugly performances against Owen Beck and Sultan. And he didn't look that good in either of those fights. The guy is so damn goofy. I would love to see him and Zuri Lawrence go at it just for a good laugh.

Anyways, what impressed me is how balanced he stayed after he lunged with the hook, he gave room for his punches without giving Austin much room to move. But I didn't take to much from that fight...

I took a little from the fight:

1. Wlad is not afraid to end fights early
2. Wlad still has one of the best left hooks in the division
3. Wlad can be patient but still KO someone early
4. Wlad doesn't have to set up the jab first....he can adapt

Not much other than that can be said from this fight.....Wlad's confidence is great as is his dedication to the sport

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It always seems like things are heading in the right direction when Wladimir wins that easy.....I just wonder what other sacrificial lamb will Don King throw to the wolves to keep his champions safe????

Valuev did say "Of course it depends on my management but I am ready to get in the same ring with Wladimir at any time."

Which is code for "I like the idea of beating Wlad and the money I'll get but I don't know if I want a CERTAIN loss on my record"

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Disagree Lyle. I think what Valuev really means is "Of course it depends if my management can bribe me into getting in the ring with Wladimir and have him expose me for the fraud I am"

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you guys are both wrong what he saying is "im going to say i want to fight him so ppl think i do and then tell my team i was bluffin so they could get me out of it"

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Totally disagree with all of you.

Valuev wants the fight...but he aint the only reason that it won't get made & he knows it & Wlad knows it.

Negotiating with Don King is historically recognized as signing your name on a contract in blood & selling your soul off to his bidding.

Valuev deserves the benefit of the doubt & the match up would generate a shitload of interest & also some clarity out of the muck.

If the belt holders don't start fighting each other then we'll be still be where we are next year! These guys should have been fighting each other this time out instead of undeserving mandatories!

If that had have been the case it would have set up a great year ahead, now we're about 5 to 5 months behind!

Now Wacko Valuev has the benefit of the doubt when it comes to being big but be honest, you've seen him struggle to take punches.....and from guys like Taras Bidenko and Monte Barrett, not exactly the hardest of hitters.....couple that with the fact Nicolay doesn't hit very hard then you realize Wladimir has got it all over Valuev!

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If the belt holders don't start fighting each other then we'll be still be where we are next year! These guys should have been fighting each other this time out instead of undeserving mandatories!

If that had have been the case it would have set up a great year ahead, now we're about 5 to 5 months behind!

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While I agree with you 100%, imagine what would happen if the belt holders started fighting each other. The division title would be unified, the heavyweights would have an undisputed champion, and THEN what would happen to boxing's shady financial interests, and low-lifes such as Don King? Hell, they'd probably have to go out and get real jobs.

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Now Wacko Valuev has the benefit of the doubt when it comes to being big but be honest, you've seen him struggle to take punches.....and from guys like Taras Bidenko and Monte Barrett, not exactly the hardest of hitters.....couple that with the fact Nicolay doesn't hit very hard then you realize Wladimir has got it all over Valuev!

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I agree if Wlad fights Valuev next Klitschko takes him out.

I just wish Wlad would fight either Peter or Maskaev next as both fights I think would qualify for the Rings vacant championship. If not then some of these belt holders gotta fight each other!!!

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Now Wacko Valuev has the benefit of the doubt when it comes to being big but be honest, you've seen him struggle to take punches.....and from guys like Taras Bidenko and Monte Barrett, not exactly the hardest of hitters.....couple that with the fact Nicolay doesn't hit very hard then you realize Wladimir has got it all over Valuev!

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Agreed...but I've seen Wlad knocked the fwock out on a couple of different occassions.

All the excuses in the world don't justify a loss for a fighter...believe you me...I've tried to make some bone headed ones up in my day.

If Valuev continues to win fights...he deserves the credit...not constant detractions. Now...if he keeps on winning & then loses to Wlad...I have no issues with that...pretty much everyone get's wacked the fwock out against Wlad...but...what I wanna know is this:

What happens if Valuev blasts Wlad out?

What will everyone say then?

Wlad's made one hell of a comeback. He's beaten most of the men he's faced by knockout...if Valuev were to beat him...that would be saying something about Valuev that no one would want to admit...so honestly...I don't know why I even ask.

Yeah its a nice little side show, but it ain't boxing. Not my cup of tea at the minute at all, to be honest never really has been. Heavyweights used to be the easiest division to get excited about, now its probably the hardest.

Gotta give it to Wladamir, he was freakin kite surfing on the little hbo segment...that just shows he is by far the most athleticly fit heavy out there. Hes got Manny Steward in his corner and is a tall ass mofo. Right now I think he is the tops in the Heavies but I would love to see a Chris Byrd comeback or even Eddie Chambers come up and do well. The big monster heavyweights aren't for me.

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What will everyone say then?

Wlad's made one hell of a comeback. He's beaten most of the men he's faced by knockout...if Valuev were to beat him...that would be saying something about Valuev that no one would want to admit...so honestly...I don't know why I even ask.

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Well I guess we'll never fucking know because it won't ever fucking happen

....to elaborate Valuev has never thrown a good straight quick punch. He loops his punches and they aren't very fast either.

He has good range and a decent jab but that's about all of that

Wlad looked good abeit against a mediocre opponent who fought scared. I mean, Austin just kept throwing that left hook off balence cause he was so scared. Every time he threw it, he leaned so far the other way to avoid getting hit that he had nothing on the punch.

That being said, I gotta say wlad did a good job and handled his business well by getting his inferior opponent out of there quickly and with one hand at that.

What I liked the best though is when Merchant asked him why he took such a fight, he quickly responded by saying that he didn't choose it and it was clear by his tone that he didn't want it. I was convinced that he is more ready than ever to make his move now as he is truly confident now.

Just one thing. He can unify all he wants but the best HW fight out there is him & Peter and until he makes that and wins it legit, I'll never be convinced.

That means no compulsive holding. BTW, I don't want to hear about no rabbit punching cause wlad was turning his head.

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Just one thing. He can unify all he wants but the best HW fight out there is him & Peter and until he makes that and wins it legit, I'll never be convinced.

That means no compulsive holding. BTW, I don't want to hear about no rabbit punching cause wlad was turning his head.

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Get over it man... Sam is only 26 so there is plenty of time for the rematch, he'll get it real quick if he stops Vitali ;). Wlad only has TWO chances left to stop bigfoot history!!

But how long before these people actually fight each other?

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If Valuev continues to win fights...he deserves the credit...not constant detractions. Now...if he keeps on winning & then loses to Wlad...I have no issues with that...pretty much everyone get's wacked the fwock out against Wlad...but...what I wanna know is this:

What happens if Valuev blasts Wlad out?

What will everyone say then?

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I'll say it's entirely due to the return of Wlad's chin/stamina issues, and has little to do with Valuev. Unless that oaf becomes an entirely different (read: skilled above mediocre) fighter overnight, I don't see myself ever being impressed with him. The Ring's got him as like #8 or 9 in the division. I think that's fair. And it's a piss-poor division.

Skill-wise, Wlad is head and shoulders above the pack. As long as he can avoid the huge shots, no one beats him.

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Valeuv vs. Wladdy HAS to come off this year.......

My moneys on Wladdy to clean up the div. I just think hes smart enough to do it and seems to have everything going for him.....

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I really want to see this fight. It would be cool to see Valuev straight up destroy Wladimir and then have Vitali challenge him to get revenge. Dont know though, Wlad K. definitely has the skills over Big Nic but that guy is freaking huge and hairy and ugly. Almost supernaturally big and ugly. It wouldnt surprise me to see him beat anyone out there right now using his size alone; it's a huge advantage. Doesnt he outweight Klitschko by almost 100 pounds? This is the heavyweight showdown that needs to happen and the winner needs to go on to try and unify the titles against Briggs and Maskaev (seeing as the belts haven't changed hands by then).


<a href="http://imageshack.us"><img src="http://img458.imageshack.us/img458/1015/valuevka2.jpg" border="0" alt="The Beast From the East" /></a>

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Gotta give it to Wladamir, he was freakin kite surfing on the little hbo segment...that just shows he is by far the most athleticly fit heavy out there. Hes got Manny Steward in his corner and is a tall a** mofo. Right now I think he is the tops in the Heavies but I would love to see a Chris Byrd comeback or even Eddie Chambers come up and do well. The big monster heavyweights aren't for me.

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For someone who is just not hip with the lingo of todays youth, what the hell does he was freakin kite surfing mean? ???

It sounds like it should mean the same as he was walking a tightrope, meaning there was no margin for error but I'm certain by the way you said your sentence that you meant to make it sound that Wladdy was a lot more impressive than that?

Am I really this old? :-\

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Just one thing. He can unify all he wants but the best HW fight out there is him & Peter and until he makes that and wins it legit, I'll never be convinced.

That means no compulsive holding. BTW, I don't want to hear about no rabbit punching cause wlad was turning his head.

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The only thing that would happen in a rematch would be Wlad whipping Sam Peter even worse than before....knocking him out in the later rounds.

Was there one clinch in the fight the other night?

Sam Peter looked good vs a short fat guy with no power and who wasn't active enough to beat Hasim Rahman!!! I have no idea why people say NOW Sam Peter is ready to fight and beat Wladimir....if James Toney was 6'4/6'5 then YES by all means he would have controlled a taller fighter with better boxing skills he'd be better suited to fight Wladimir BUT you still forget Wlad's power.


Also Sam Peter fans need to get the hell over the 'holding' #1 if the ref says it's not a foul then it's not a foul #2 Sam didn't have to hold back. If Sam kept his hands working on the inside maybe one of his power punches would have found the mark.....but he didn't and he lost......he was lucky to even win the rounds where he knocked Wlad down.

If a Wladimir-Sam Peter rematch is to happen, I would rather it be after Sam Peter gets a title

I still think that the most fascinating match-up is Vitali vs. Peter. After Wlad pummels Valuev back into his cave, it would be interesting to see Wladdy put in the position of defending the families' honor if Peter could pull out the KO in a bout with Vitali. That would set-up another one of those marketing machines that done so well in Germany. Can you all see Die Rache des Bruders again? I think that would really light a torch under the divisions proverbial arse.

Wait wait wait.


Wlad beat Peter already, and THAT was a still-nervous Wlad who was a bit unsure of what he could still take.

The new and improved and confident Wlad will rip Peter a new bunghole. KO inside 8. Promise.


Soooo..... WHY is Vitali/Peter a fight you want?? Vitali will destroy Peter! I consider Vitali a better fighter than Wlad and I have no doubt Wlad will win a rematch with Sam. The only thing starting to hinder Vitali is the fact that he's not getting any younger.

Valuev.... can.....not......box. Simple. Wlad is not only one hell of a boxer, he's got an assload of pepper in both hands. Valuev falls from either Klitschko.

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Now Wacko Valuev has the benefit of the doubt when it comes to being big but be honest, you've seen him struggle to take punches.....and from guys like Taras Bidenko and Monte Barrett, not exactly the hardest of hitters.....couple that with the fact Nicolay doesn't hit very hard then you realize Wladimir has got it all over Valuev!

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Agreed...but I've seen Wlad knocked the fwock out on a couple of different occassions.

All the excuses in the world don't justify a loss for a fighter...believe you me...I've tried to make some bone headed ones up in my day.

If Valuev continues to win fights...he deserves the credit...not constant detractions. Now...if he keeps on winning & then loses to Wlad...I have no issues with that...pretty much everyone get's wacked the fwock out against Wlad...but...what I wanna know is this:

What happens if Valuev blasts Wlad out?

What will everyone say then?

Wlad's made one hell of a comeback. He's beaten most of the men he's faced by knockout...if Valuev were to beat him...that would be saying something about Valuev that no one would want to admit...so honestly...I don't know why I even ask.

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Valuev has been on the benefit of more the one German home cooking , the guy has been protected from threats his whole career. You give him way to much credit Wacko .. aside from being awkwardly monstrous in size, he is a cream puff. his skills have improved slightly over the years no doubt , but what a shame of a record. and for him to be mentioned in the same sentence as Rocky Marciano is a fucking joke, Valuev’s camp is always talking about breaking that record. The difference between the two is Cut N Dry . Marciano fought the best of his era. This chump Valuev has been dodging the threats of his era . my point is anyone can stay at a certain level and build a meaningless record . The Great fighters have what it takes to move up and fight real competitionwin lose of draw is no consequence O0

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Now Wacko Valuev has the benefit of the doubt when it comes to being big but be honest, you've seen him struggle to take punches.....and from guys like Taras Bidenko and Monte Barrett, not exactly the hardest of hitters.....couple that with the fact Nicolay doesn't hit very hard then you realize Wladimir has got it all over Valuev!

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Agreed...but I've seen Wlad knocked the fwock out on a couple of different occassions.

All the excuses in the world don't justify a loss for a fighter...believe you me...I've tried to make some bone headed ones up in my day.

If Valuev continues to win fights...he deserves the credit...not constant detractions. Now...if he keeps on winning & then loses to Wlad...I have no issues with that...pretty much everyone get's wacked the fwock out against Wlad...but...what I wanna know is this:

What happens if Valuev blasts Wlad out?

What will everyone say then?

Wlad's made one hell of a comeback. He's beaten most of the men he's faced by knockout...if Valuev were to beat him...that would be saying something about Valuev that no one would want to admit...so honestly...I don't know why I even ask.

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Valuev has been on the benefit of more the one German home cooking , the guy has been protected from threats his whole career. You give him way to much credit Wacko .. aside from being awkwardly monstrous in size, he is a cream puff. his skills have improved slightly over the years no doubt , but what a shame of a record. and for him to be mentioned in the same sentence as Rocky Marciano is a F****** joke, Valuev’s camp is always talking about breaking that record. The difference between the two is Cut N Dry . Marciano fought the best of his era. This chump Valuev has been dodging the threats of his era . my point is anyone can stay at a certain level and build a meaningless record . The Great fighters have what it takes to move up and fight real competition win lose of draw is no consequence O0

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I agree that he is no way near Marciano in terms of acomplishment but really Marciano is overratted anyway.

His three biggest wins came against two old age pensioners and a light heavyweight.

Walcott would have beaten him in his prime and he was the 40's and 50's Frank Bruno.

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I agree that he is no way near Marciano in terms of acomplishment but really Marciano is overratted anyway.

His three biggest wins came against two old age pensioners and a light heavyweight.

Walcott would have beaten him in his prime and he was the 40's and 50's Frank Bruno.

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B-E-A-Utiful.

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What will everyone say then?

Wlad's made one hell of a comeback. He's beaten most of the men he's faced by knockout...if Valuev were to beat him...that would be saying something about Valuev that no one would want to admit...so honestly...I don't know why I even ask.

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Well I guess we'll never F****** know because it won't ever F****** happen

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Wow...all that cursing & so little substance. What a chicken shit answer that was. You need to break out that giant sombrero & hide up underneath.

Once again...things are indeed heating up:

WBO Heavyweight contender Sultan Ibragimov is looking forward to getting his shot at champion Shannon Briggs on June 2, in his home country of Russia. “I’ve been ready for Briggs for a long time and I’m just waiting to win the belt officially back home in Russia,” said Ibragimov. “June 2nd will be a big night for me and my fans.” The unbeaten Ibragimov’s promoters, Seminole Warriors Boxing, Golden Boy Promotions, and Golden Grain Promotions, have finalized plans to bring the WBO Heavyweight Championship bout to Moscow, Russia on June 2.

http://www.fightnews.com/fightnews_2...yrHSREcDM.html

...and then there is this:

"They aren't showing me the respect you should show a world champion..."

WBO Heavyweight Champion Shannon Briggs has released the following statement in response to today's press release from mandatory challenger Sultan Ibragimov's camp: "I'm the Heavyweight Champion of the whole world, so it doesn't matter where I defend the title. As for running from Iggy, that's a joke! I'm from Brownsville, never ran and never will! I got nothing against Iggy but he's in way over his head and he's gonna get hurt. I hope this billionaire backer of his set Iggy up with a pension plan because on June 3, he's going to be looking for a new source of income. They aren't showing me the respect you should show a world champion and taking shots at me while I was suffering from pneumonia was classless. Then again Leon and Samson never did have any class."

http://www.fightnews.com/fightnews_2...pJTqfqpOU.html

The prospects of this fight are actually a bit exciting to ole' wackster. ;D :-X :lickish: ...NUFF SAID!

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I agree that he is no way near Marciano in terms of acomplishment but really Marciano is overratted anyway.

His three biggest wins came against two old age pensioners and a light heavyweight.

Walcott would have beaten him in his prime and he was the 40's and 50's Frank Bruno.

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B-E-A-Utiful.

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Cheers Wacko, I was kinda bracing myself for a barrage of sadclicks after that statement so glad to see I'm not alone.

I also happen to think Joe Louis was held in far too high regard as well.

In my opinion Jack Johnson, Gene Tunney and Jack Dempsey all rank higher than Marciano and Louis.

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Wow...all that cursing & so little substance. What a chicken shit answer that was. You need to break out that giant sombrero & hide up underneath.

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Well read between the lines Wacko. What I meant was....

If Nicolay Valuev fought Wladimir Klitschko it would mean Nicolay would be fighting the best boxer, hardest puncher, fastest puncher, biggest fighter, and best athlete of his whole career whereas Wladimir would just be fighting the biggest fighter he's ever fought and as Ray Austin and others have found out Wladimir doesn't have trouble with taller fighters.

As for Jack Dempsey and Gene Tunney....Dempsey didn't fight black fighters, he had 5 title defenses. Gene Tunney did a great job at 175 and only had a few fights at heavyweight. Great fighters though by all means but I think Rocky and Louis are better

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Wow...all that cursing & so little substance. What a chicken shit answer that was. You need to break out that giant sombrero & hide up underneath.

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Well read between the lines Wacko. What I meant was....

If Nicolay Valuev fought Wladimir Klitschko it would mean Nicolay would be fighting the best boxer, hardest puncher, fastest puncher, biggest fighter, and best athlete of his whole career whereas Wladimir would just be fighting the biggest fighter he's ever fought and as Ray Austin and others have found out Wladimir doesn't have trouble with taller fighters.

As for Jack Dempsey and Gene Tunney....Dempsey didn't fight black fighters, he had 5 title defenses. Gene Tunney did a great job at 175 and only had a few fights at heavyweight. Great fighters though by all means but I think Rocky and Louis are better

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Exactly right Lyle..:coolclick: ! Marciano and Joe Louis were top shelf .

Thank you, CC back.

I love Dempsey and Tunney but they didn't do the most at heavyweight.

Tunney-Greb was a GREAT rivalry

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Gotta give it to Wladamir, he was freakin kite surfing on the little hbo segment...that just shows he is by far the most athleticly fit heavy out there. Hes got Manny Steward in his corner and is a tall a** mofo. Right now I think he is the tops in the Heavies but I would love to see a Chris Byrd comeback or even Eddie Chambers come up and do well. The big monster heavyweights aren't for me.

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For someone who is just not hip with the lingo of todays youth, what the hell does he was freakin kite surfing mean? ???

It sounds like it should mean the same as he was walking a tightrope, meaning there was no margin for error but I'm certain by the way you said your sentence that you meant to make it sound that Wladdy was a lot more impressive than that?

Am I really this old? :-\

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No I mean literally, kite surfing. Its where you strap a surfboard to your feet and use a huge kite to propel you across the water/waves. Its a fairly new extreme sport, which takes alot of agility.