Who would win between these two extremely fast handed fighters?
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Who would win between these two extremely fast handed fighters?
Taylor out lasts Judah and ko's him mid-late. But I hate these things, but that one seems clear cut.
I also see Meldrick winning but he can't get Judah out of there by the mid rounds. Late round KO, otherwise Taylor by decision.
I agree, I don't think Zab could outlast Meldrick. I too see it as a UD for Meldrick.Quote:
Originally Posted by yoitsdan
Meldrick Taylor could have been one of the finest fighters ever. I don't know enough about him post Chavez other then a couple articles written prior to their second meeting but he was an absolute marvel of a fighter. Quite possibly the fastest hands ever and was such a beautiful boxer. In and out in a flash or he could bang you out on the inside. It's really amazing how he went on such a rapid decline. Not like losing to Terry Norris is bad or anything but if you've seen him fight McGirt you know what it is. He was an amazing fighter. Zab isn't in Pre-Chavez Taylor's league. TKO in the late rounds or a UD.
he should have never fought Terry Norris, thats the fight that messed him up not Chavez
That's ridiculous. That fight may have furthered the damage but Chavez broke his orbital bone and gave him 30 stitches and his first loss. It wasn't the same Taylor that stepped in versus Norris.Quote:
Originally Posted by P.G.H Angel Eyes
Taylor on the Chavez fight aftermath...
"For a year and a half I dwelled on it," Taylor said. "I lost confidence in myself. I couldn't believe I could fall so far so fast. I had two more losses and people wrote me off and I began questioning my ability."
Taylor on points. Nobody had faster hands than Taylor. Nobody.
meldrick taylor with blurring handspeed and that great workrate ?? beats hell out of judah no problems
If people haven't seen much of Meldrick that's the fight they should see. He was ridiculously good against McGirt.Quote:
Originally Posted by amat
i wanted to get that fight few days ago but it expired so couldnt get itQuote:
Originally Posted by OumaFan
id like to say one more thing meldrick taylor is on of finest boxers ive seen his handspeed footwork workrate was one of finest ive seen wasnt it like 1000+ punches thrown vs chavez ?? and the way he was blocking chavez body punches when he was on inside was masterful he would of given any all time great a hard nights work imo
Yeah definately the first Chavez fight that messed him up, even Lou Duva has said it many times.Quote:
Originally Posted by amat
Rite you are YET AGAIN. lolQuote:
Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
Meldrick Taylor at his best would beat Zab his best no doubt . Zab at his best , made too many mistakes, and his chin has always been shit. I see Taylor winning , inside the distance O0
didn't Taylor swallow a dangerous amount of blood in that fight ?Quote:
Originally Posted by amat
Something like a pint so i heard . He fucked his kidneys up as well it was a career ending beating and to get stopped with 2 seconds left how do you come back from that .
Chavez was a machine .
He swallowed 2 pints in that fight. The inside of his mouth got cut in the very first round I believe and he swallowed blood from then on in the fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Swashbuckling Gordy
close fight. clash of styles but a pre chavez taylor would have too much handspeed for judah. anyone who saw his title winning effort against mcgirt will be amazed by the amount of talent this guy had
Zab has never hit the heady heights that Meldrick hit !!
Meldrick was just simply outstanding i dont think for 2 minutes Judah could have withstood a prime Chavez for 5 rounds with his poor defence and discipline.
KT wiped out Judah in 2 rounds .
KT would not have beaten let alone stood with MT .
yea Meldrick on points for me with late knockdown
Are you kidding me? Meldrick could throw fast combinations, but he wasn't as fast as Judah let alone too fast for Judah. Both Mayweather and JUdah have faster feet, hands, and reflexes than Meldrick. The reason Judah loses are 1. focus and 2. his chin.Quote:
Originally Posted by LBSCFC
I think also Kostya Tszyu in his prime would have done well against Taylor. He was a better boxer than JCC, and he IMO hit as hard. He could box anyone, and he had better timing.
Taylor was far faster in his prime than Judah ever was. As mentioned earlier in this thread, Taylor may have had the fastest hands of any fighter above lightweight in history. It's not even a discussion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taeth
I'd see this as a MT winning a 9th round TKO
judah have faster hands than meldrick taylor i dont think so buddy you always pick current boxers over older ones in most cases which is fine but in this case its wrong zab judah didnt have nowhere near faster hands than meldrick taylor his hand speed is blurring he can throw 8 punch combos in blink of an eye can judah do that kind of speed ??Quote:
Originally Posted by Taeth
are you kidding. theres no contest in handspeed. taylor probably had the fastest hands of any 140 pounderQuote:
Originally Posted by Taeth
If you guys think combinations is the only thing that makes good handspeed then you are sorely mistaken. Taylor had a probably among the fastest combinations p4p, but combinations are all but useless when your opponent boxes from the outside. Thats why Leonard for all his combination speed couldn't do anything against Hearns on the outside not just because Hearns was taller, but he also punched as fast as Leonard in terms of one punch at a time. If you look at Judah throwing a jab or cross it is much faster than Taylor's jab or cross. Taylor didn't have a super fast jab, single hook, cross. Punching in combinations is more how fast you can move your shoudlers as opposed to how fast you can move your hands, and Judah moves his hands faster. If you guys are going to contest purely on combinations its a rediculous argument because you obviously have either never boxed, or don't know enough about boxing because when your in the ring are guys who can pot shot you with real speed from the outside, and there are guys who have to get inside because they only throw fast combinations. Taylor was one of the guys who had to get on the inside.
well im just watching taylor now and he had very quick jab and very quick hands without combinations meldrick taylor is faster than judah and ill watch bit of footage of judah aswellQuote:
Originally Posted by Taeth
just watched bit of judah he is no faster than taylor with jab from what i see
He is faster watch Meldrick vs. Chavez or vs. Mcgirt how can you say his jab is as quick as Judah's? His hooks are after watching more, but that's the same movement as throwing a combination. Meldrick doesn't have very quick hands without combinations I have no idea what your watching, but watch Judah and/or Mayweather and they had way quicker jabs, and crosses. Mosley and Roy JOnes Jr., and even Leonard to a lesser degree are guys who had both lightning fast speed and combinations, but I place Taylor along with Calzaghe in the department of guys who aren't rediculously fast with individual punches, but are quick at throwing combos.
I just watched Spinks vs. Judah 2, and Meldrick vs. Mcgirt, and Judah faster with his feet, hands, reflexes just like I said. I don't know how old you are or how good of an athlete you are, but watching Judah I saw somebody significantly faster in Judah than I did in Taylor. He came in and out faster. His jab and cross he got more extension and speed on them. Maybe it is because Meldrick doesn't put any steam behind his jab and cross or he has worse technique, but his jab looks pawing and slow most of the time, and when he does put steem on it, it still looks slower than Judah's. His cross same thing.
Taylor's faster. Case closed.
It's case closed. I just watched it slow mo, and Judah is faster. He hand gets out and back faster. So I am right. Timed he is faster. I don't see better proof than that. If you don't believe me get VLC media player, and slow down their fights, and time their punches. After watching three rounds of each in slo mo, and me timing some of their punches on average Judah was faster, and he also had the fastest punches. CASE CLOSED.
Sorry bro. I love Zab more than anyone on here. Meldrick Taylor was just born fast. He's one of the few guys I can think of who clearly is a notch above Judah in the speed department.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taeth
Dude just make a youtube vid showing clips of them both. People could pick out fights and say Zab was faster in this fight then Meldrick was on this fight but you won't find many people that say Zab was faster because for all his speed and skill he isn't as consistant with it as Meldrick Taylor was.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taeth
But if you want to settle it, make a youtube vid.
I don't know how nor do I have the time. Unless I video camera my screen showing the time clock I have up along with both fights. I agree Meldrick was more consistent, but not in speed. Watching youtube is crap IMO. Watch the actual fights D/L them as torrents, and you will see who's faster. There is hardly anything on Meldrick Taylor on YOutube, and none of it consists of a whole fight. I think people are trying to remember what was 14 years ago to a guy now, and haven't actually watched both together, and if so like I said slow it down. But its clear in real time, and in slow mo that Judah is faster. Its like 130 Mayweather who threw just fast punches but didn't throw fast combinations. He definitely had faster hands than Leonard, Mosley, Taylor when he was at 130-135, but people look at combinations when they don't have fast enough reflexes themselves to see the difference in actual handspeed.
Watch Judah doing pads here. THough people always look faster in training (Oscar) he pretty much looks this fast in the ring http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3U6YmaCD9ao
ALso I want to say I like Meldrick way more than Judah. He was a real man who wasn't a complete prick like Judah is. I just don't feel he was the same level of athlete. He was close, but not quite.
Meldrick Taylor would wreck Zab....why is this even a topic???
Taylor had very fast hands and was pretty good with his power....meanwhile Zab can run and he has a good left cross but that is where his skills end. Zab can't keep his head on straight for 10 rounds much less 12-15....Meldrick Taylor goofed up ONCE and it cost him his career....however Mel's flaw of thinking he's a true Philly fighter instead of being a good boxer as he truly was really hurt him.
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Originally Posted by Lyle
Couldn't agree more. Excellent post.