Both in the primes at the height of their powers.
Oscar all the way for me baby .
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Both in the primes at the height of their powers.
Oscar all the way for me baby .
With regards what? your fantasy ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Swashbuckling Gordy
KOSTYA smokes Oscar within 8 rounds by brutal KO.
an EPIC embarrassment for the golden one.
Go see vernon forest in the olympics final against Tszyu
Vernon owned shane who owned Oscar...
...Vernon was a punching bag.
I gotta disagree. ODH wins a SD. ODH wins the early rounds and survives a late surge and knock down by KT to win 8 rounds to 4.
That means nothing. Mosley didn't own Oscar first of all which is why it was a great fight, and not a one sided massacre. Secondly Kostya would do as well against Vernon in the pros as he did in the amateurs because Vernon got alot better, and he had the perfect style for Mosley even though if he fought hte same guys as Mosley he would lose against more of them. Though I don't think Oscar would get KO'ed I see him losing to Kostya who was the whole package. Good enough speed, great timing, but most importantly a great cross which seems to be a punch that finds Oscar alot.
Actually you Tit it was Vernon Forrest in the worlds .
I made a reference to that fight on the greatest rematches to never happen !!
and as for your wonderfully Put Vernon owned Shane who owned Oscar , where does Ike Quartey and Ricardo Mayorga fit into that conundrum ?
Only a true Penis would deduce a winner by those means .
A great match-up.. This fight almost happened several times.. 2 of the best ambassadors for the sport Great guys in and out of the ring , as well as long time friends. Oscar and Kostya have been great friends dating all the way back to the amateurs, , Both fighters hold the other in the highest regard.
I would go with the unpopular DRAW 8) O0
Oscar IMO would win, but only after coming up off the canvas himself.
I think Oscars bravery would be his undoing
kostya wins in my opinion. oscar is an awesome fighter but tszyu packed a hell of a punch and had even better timing and range.
No homo,
I choose Tszyu because he was light years ahead of Oscar, in terms of ability, skill and power.
He had 150 amateur fights and hadnt lost his last 130+.
I think Oscar would have won. But it would not have been easy. Would have been very close on the cards. It is a real shame this fight was never made as it would have been a great fight IMO.
Goodnight Oscar!Quote:
Originally Posted by Swashbuckling Gordy
Its simple KT never got outboxed in his whole career and the Golden Boy would have been no exception. Oscar would have known the only way to win was preasure and that would of made it one a hell of a fight.
Oscar would have won IMO. im not sure why but i just can't see Kostya stopping Oscar
The fact remains Oscar high tailed it out of the 140lb division quick smart knowing any match up with Tszyu would have spelt danger with a capitol D. Make no mistake here and forget the Phillips fight (Tszyu was not well the night of the fight and went in underweight) DLH would have been hit like no one had hit him before. Mosley also decided to miss Kostya at 140lb? Think of it, DLH V Mosley might not have happened had either fighter fought Tszyu and had their lights turned out!
Only age has beaten Tszyu!
After 6 rounds it was tied up. Mosley then won 6 straight rounds from Oscar, thats not one sided ??? It was exciting in terms of punches thrown. but rounds won Moslet dominated Oscar once he figured him out(first fight)Quote:
Originally Posted by Taeth
I think Oscar was good enough to have gone the distance with Kostya and win a decision, but Kostya always seemed to find the chin of quality boxers. I have watched Kostya's whole career probably 6 or 7 times and he seemed to let fighters land a certain shot a few times and if they continued to try land that shot they got one hell of a smack in the ear ;D so its a toss up for me
So they weren't roudns that Mosley just destroyed Oscar. People can win more than one close round in a row. Also nobody had him winning by more than four rounds, and the other two hand him winning by 2 rounds. Meaning you saying that it was a 6 round spread isn't accurate by the judges. I haven't watched the fight in awhile, but I remember it was competitive throughout, and Oscar definitely won the second fight. Regardless my point is that styles make matchups as much as comparing a common opponent or somebody who beat one fighter. Sometimes that is relavent, but not in the case of Vernon Forrest.Quote:
Originally Posted by Majesty
Oscar would win....he'd outbox Tszyu and stay away from his power much like he did vs Trinidad.
Oscar UD...Tzsyu was too tough to KO
Oscar's record was 223-5 with 163 knockouts in the amateurs. plus oscar was a hell of a puncher in the 140 division, also is the better boxer and had more speed.Quote:
Originally Posted by CityOfGod
Oscar never fought at 140 bro and so you mean Oscar WOULD have been a hell of a puncher at 140
In ability Kostya was not light years ahead. He is slower, and doesn't hit as hard, but he has a great chin, and better skill which means he was the better boxer. Oscar at those weights was one handed for all intense and purposes.Quote:
Originally Posted by chamiley
Tszyu went 270-12 in the amateurs including wins over Forrest and MillettQuote:
Originally Posted by chamiley
Oscar massacred Julio Cesar Chavez at 140, blasted darrell tyson and outclassed miguel angel gonzalezQuote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
KOSTYA would kill him. he hits way to hard and del hoyas legs would crumble under him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Swashbuckling Gordy
Agreed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
Although IMO Oscar would probabaly win whatever way he approached the fight, hence a KO isn't necessarily off the cards.
Oscar has a great chin so i think it would go to the scorecards. Oscar would be the busier of the two from start to finish, but Kostya would be the more accurate. Oscar would win by fairly wide UD, but the punchstats would show a much closer fight.
Zab Judah had a great chin until TYSZU hit itQuote:
Originally Posted by BoomBoom
Although kstya may not have been at his best against phillips i think its has to alot to do with his style of smothering tszyu nd he has a gd chin much like ricky hatton the only 2 that have beaten him.Nd i relay dont no who would win out of tszyu nd oscar as u can cum up with a gd argument for both winning the fight but id have to go wid KTQuote:
Originally Posted by glennf
Ther goes Gordy with the penis talk again. Tito had it right about this guy. Other than that, I agree with the entire post though. Cool Click for Captain Jack.Quote:
Originally Posted by Swashbuckling Gordy
I think Oscar would take a decision to be honest. Despite Kostya being a great boxer with huge power at 140, i just take ODLH to look the more classy in there.
My two cents.
I really liked KT and thought he was a very good at 140, but he just isn't in ODH's class. Oscar would have every advantage you could think of. Size, at least 5-6 inches in reach and 3-4 in height. Speed. Boxing skill. Power. It's just not a fair match up. Oscar would probably knock him out in about 5-6 rounds after KT absorbed a lot of punishment.
KOSTYA UD unless OSCAR finds the form he was in in 1994, 1995 when he was coming up
It would be a hell of a fight , the fleet of foot KT was a really good fighter but Oscar at that time could pick you off with any punch .
Anyone remember that Left uppercut of the jab he hit Chavez with ?
Whenever i think of Oscar i think of those punches .
It would have been a dream matchup Oscars dream jab and left everything against KTs counter punching .
I think you might have seen a role reversal a bit like Hearns and the Greatest Sugar Ray Lenord .
Id see the fight opening slowly and then Oscar finding his range and slowly stalking KT the way Lenord stalked Hearns , sounds a strange thing to say i know because Oscar is the taller man and Hearns was taller than Lenord .
Oscar at Lightwelter was a heck of a puncher and lightning quick he'd land on KT and make KT reluctant to engage him and even if he did up close DLH was lethal with his combos and KT wasnt as effective .
KT is a fighter that punishes mistakes and pounces on you quick but i'd give Oscar the edge out of instinct .
Shame it never happened .
Its a question we will never know the answer to , Oscar has fought many top fighters seems strange he didnt do battle with Kostya.
but bud have been good to watch
really not sure of outcome................?
What About Quartey and KT at 140?
Think about it , Quarteys pulverising Jab against KT?
Would he land it often would he make to many mistakes for the likes of KT?
Hmm........?
Extraordinary Statement!Quote:
Originally Posted by MannyP
Hatton fought the perfect fight against kostya. I cant see oscar smothering kostya and staying inside his punches like hatton did. kostya hits 2 or 3 divisions above his weight. My fav kostya fight is when he fought miguel angel gonzalez. just destroyed him. I know oscar fought him too. But i havent seen the fight. could use that as a metre maybe...
I love Ricky Hatton to death but truth is the Kostya Tszyu that got pummled that night had slowed down .
Ricky would have always been a handfull but truth is in his prime Ricky would never have been able to back KT up the way he did that glorius night.
Its beautifull having YOUTUBE ive managed to catch alot of fights of KT i saw years ago when he was so fleet of foot .
Im not trying to scorn Rickys effort in any way because it was a mammoth effort that night but truth is KTjust couldnt do what he used to do as well as he used to do .
Ricky still had to come through some bombs though KT did plant his feet more.