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It seems that when I jab my heavy bag, it's weaker than @#$%. I know the jab is mainly a speedy punch, but it seems like if I were to jab my opponent, it would do little more than just piss him off. What are some workouts I could to to help make my jab stronger? Thanks.
i dont really know exercise to make your jab stronger but here is good technique when you throw your jab throw it like a whip and dont worry about the power just make sure you throw it fast and like whip and dont try punch too hard with jab
and you could try and make your jab stronger by training with dumbells
your jab is probably harder than you think... most people don't get snap on the bag with their jab. it has to hit either very hard or so perfectly that optimum surface area comes into contact. mine doesn't snap the bag either yet people tell me my jab is hard... but I think it sucks for reasons similar to you. it just doesn't "sound" hard. But in reality it's fine. Not my best punch, but it gets me by.
just keep working on it... strength training, in the mirror, etc.
not to call attention to myself, but did you see my video. I had the very same question as you when I started.. how to strengthen my jab. so far my pulley system has made a lot of difference in all my punches.
Another example.... I work with an old guy who's a retired pro and he doesn't slap the mitts back because he wants me toreach and it hurts his joints a bit, so when I jab his mitt it sound like I'm hitting nothing but air. But there's a new trainer at our gym who slaps back and when I worked with him the first time I was getting TONS of snao without putting tremendous effort into it but rather perfect form and he said "damn, that's a beautiful jab you got there." But again, on the bag it's merely a quiet thud. You'd think a little boy was hitting it. So don't worry about it. Strive for form and bringing it straight back to your cheek.
No, but I'd like to. Would you PM me a link? :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Von Milash
in this thread. 8)
http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxing_fo...-t43893.0.html
Pissing off your opponent with your jab is a good thing isn't it? O0Quote:
Originally Posted by Clubber
But as someone said, you'd probably be surprised if you were on the receiving end of one or your sharp jabs just how much power it has... It's obviosly not a hook or anything, but if you want to test it out, find someone who's never boxed before and give them a 2 minute crash course on throwing a jab, and then let them give you one or 2 in the head... You'll see there's a bit more on it than you expect.
Good grief Batman, you're not expecting to buckle his knees with that jab are you? Use it to find him. Some boxers do have a good better jab than others. About 20 lbs and a bit of time ago when I was fighting I noticed at the end of my career that I found my jab. I guess I'm a slow learner, cause it took me six years. I don't mean that I found my perfect range, or the exact timeing when to meet the target and the lock of my arm, I found that I could relax the shoulder more and extend my jab about another inch in the shoulder area. It felt like it would almost dislocate and reach my target. It's strange, because as I now teach I begin to use those words to the advanced boxers "reach". To the novice that's a dirty word.
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good post OT. "finding" your jab. People think there's nothing to it.. it's the easiest punch in the sport. I've found the opposite. BY FAR it has been the hardest punch for me to "perfect," and I'm not even close. I'd consider my jab adequate at best, but I've basically resigned myself to the fact that I'll be working on my jab in one way or another..trying to make it just a little bit better...for the rest of my life.
ok when u shadow box heres what i want u to do cuz its what i did and my jab is buetiful now ....................... whe u throw extend all the way make sure ur shoulder roles also with every jab u throw throw harder and faster harder and faster as fastand as hard as u can and it ill get better in a week
in order To Succeed You Must give it 100% Everytime. - Bruce lee.
Put your all into it everytime you jab, work your Jabbing hand really good. use Dumbbells it helps me. i find Bench presses,pushups, single hand high weight dumbell lifts are really effective to me and when you use a heavy bag juss get right into it and try your all in every punch . i hope I'm helping.
That doesn't mean to throw your punches as hard as you can. There's different ways the jabs to be used, mostly to disrupt your opponents rhythem and establish your combinations and counters as well. The jab can be thrown stiff, it can be snapped like a whip, or it can be thrown as a corkskrew hook. There's plenty to look at not just making it stronger.
PS. Pure if you're opponent's saw that you commit a lot to your jab, if not step in with it all the time you would be setting youself up to get countered. ;) It's better to be in control.
Look at Holmes and some of the fighters from the 50's (e.g Walcott, Ezzard Charles, Charley Burley, Archie Moore, etc...) They have different things in mind when they throw there shots often trying to outguess their opponent while sticking to theirplan.
ya your right, but the reason i like a strong jab is because when i am jabbin i juss like to make him feel every punch i through sounds silly but thats the way i enjoy doing it :P
A good stiff jab will knock a guy's head back if you can take him by surprise.
I like to step into my jab. push off the rt foot and step forward with you left all in one motion . sit on it a bit. you will be surprised at the power you can get. landing a good strong jab can freeze your opponent allowing you a moment to fire off that with good results. O0
Well you know it's a good jab because you'll have an easier time landing the next punch in line. I've seen heads knocked back, and people rocked by a good hard jab. Of couse as with anything you'll have to avoid any tendency that becomes predictable. A punch that can be seen coming is also a punch that can be timed and made ready for.
Ive put this one up before, Sit on a stool with jab shoulder against walllooking along the wall. Throw the jab with the arm never leaving the wall and turning the fist as you do also pulling the back shoulder back as you do it keep repeating for half a minute youll feel it in the shoulder rest and repeat it will give you a terriffic jab it makes the muscles work correctly and it will be biomechanicaly correct.
Good post!
I've seen drills like that done before. One demo I seen on a video showed how just the right movements in the (shoulder, hip, knees/feet) are put together, at prior to this time the arm is already extended. It was terrific! this wasn't a wall that the guy was demonstrating on, it was a bodybuilder in a solid stance. This has very similar biomechanics of Bruce Lee's 1-Inch-Punch as demonstrated himself.
Chris its nothing like it you throw a long jab the wall controls the elbow which controls the speed and technique of a shot
Also, isn't the last joints in the movement the elbow and wrist joints? I think it's also think it's also possible for a man with artificial arms can be taught according to similar principles, not a long shot away from throwing an elbow.
The back shoulder if that doesnt move the front one cant
Therefore the shoulder plays a big role in the power of a punch.
Another good point that I'm bringing up is not to raise the elbow early under most circumstances, since doing so puts more stress on the shoulders.
I did scrap's thing a long time ago. I can now kill an average man with a single jab. Seriously.
I remember you saying that you had trouble with your jab, if I can remember right you set it your self that "my jab sucks."
What was that thing scrap posted that did wonders for your jab. Is it what he just described right now?
Sorry to get off topic here Scrap but can you do similar exercises for the straight right cross?
I'd gather that if your sitting on a chair you're not turning the hips into it so does that mean it's irrelevant to the cross or maybe only useful for practicing part of the cross?
Yes thats correct when sat down you practice the arm movement bit part whole isnt a bad way to work tecnnique
Interesting Thanks for the insight. Do you have similar exercises for uppercuts and hooks or mainly just the straight punches?
sharla, this is a great ex to learn proper hook and uppercut form. it's also good for strenght training.
take a large leather medicine ball, about 8-10lb, and tuck it in your arm like a football. now do uppercuts. a true upper motion will let the ball just slide across your body but the angle in your arm will not let it fall out. you can "catch" the ball at the end/top of the motion so that it doesn't go flying out of your arm. when you do this, really get your legs and body involved and rotate upwards and to the side while really pushing off your back foot. your trunk is where so much power comes from. you should start out almost facing east and down and ending up facing north and upright.
doin the same thing with the left hook will also help your form. but you'll find this one is much more difficult, which supports the notion that most people's left hook sucks. note that this is a palm in left hook, but for short left hooks you can do the same motion while turning your palm down en route to your opponent's chin, which in turn, brings the elbow up. maybe I'll make a little vid.
THERE ARE HUNDREDS OF WAYS TO IMPROVE PUNCHINGThe lock jammed not writing it again probably been qiucker if I had.As i was saying theres loads of ways but all come down to the same principle Balance distance posture and awareness of the ability of what to do with distance. Without those and the ability to use them, its not happening bravery becomes suicide. This game is an art form and you perform it as such whether your a runner or chaser the skills are the same. In fact the chaser has the harder job implementing the distance and making the fight the pressures on him. Its harder going forward with posture and form than going back keeping same the secret of punching is knowing where your big toes are they and your ears are the 2 parts of your anatomy that are the most important part of your balance mechcanics, giving better Oral stability. Thats the secret.
I agree with that, it all stems from the big toe. Head movements is effected by the slightest shifts. It can make the difference of dodging a punch and adding significat power to your own. Of course I don't have to tell you that.
A complete awareness must be drilled into the boxer so they can also be in the right angle for their shots while staying away from one that favors their opponent.
Wow! I knew balance was important but to be honest I have been a bit stuck lately as to how to improve mine.
I think I see what you are saying Scrap - if learn to understand how the body balances itself I'll be able to come up with drills that improve it more effectively than just cursing myself when I realize I've left my centre of gravity behind what was intended to be a power punch.
Do I need to take into account the position of my hips or if I am doing the right thing with my head and big toe should it just follow naturally? For some unknown reason I had assumed you meant the front big toe. Is it actually the back big toe or both big toes?
I am intrigued by your post Von. A little vid when you have time would be fantastic although I know you have to find time to do your own stuff too so if you're too busy I'll work it out from what you've written.
I'm copying everyone's words of wisdom into a file to share with my team mates since every time I take something to training with me they come and ask what I'm doing anyway. Fresh ideas are always welcome :)
Sharla did you see the speed exercises I put up for the feet they are the secret of posture. Sometimes its better to isolate movement from the theme of what youre trying to do, When I put it up my comrades thought I was mad giving to much away I said at the time it would get people scratching there heads wondering why they wouldnt get it Its advanced mechanics Ill have a look. What I dont understand is I worked for 2 weeks with the Australian National coaches I found them yery good is there no teaching foundation over there,
Thanks Scrap :). I usually start most nights with some footwork but it's just normal moving around without punching shadow type stuff. I'll look up those speed exercises as it's time I had some fresher ideas for working on my footwork.
I am in amateur boxing not professional so I can not comment on the quality of the pro coaches. I have competed in the nationals once but I've never been coached by anyone higher than the state coach.
I met Bodo at the nationals and tried to listen in to some advice he was giving one of the guys but I didn't get to hear much because he thought I was just a boxer's girlfriend and changed the subject - possibly to be polite thinking he didn't want to bore me.
I'm in South Australia and I guess as a boxing state we're a little behind other parts of Australia. Partly due to the fact that we have relatively few opportunities to fight outside of local circles - we have further to travel than the Eastern states.
There's also a lot of club rivalries which could be healthy except they mean a lot of the coaches are unable to work together to take on a lot of the principles the state coach wants to bring in from national training camps etc.
When I went to the nationals we had a state coach and an assistant coach looking after the team. They had a huge barney and the assistant coach quit the day I had to fight. Someone told the assistant coach my opponent was a southpaw but he didn't believe them and didn't pass on the info.
Plus he held onto the timetable and since the head coach didn't have his own copy (i tried to get one but they ran out) he wasn't sure when I was on. I got into the ring to fight the wrong girl and got booed out because I was meant to be up the fight after.
I'm not laying the blame on anyone in particular for how that day went but to me it's one example of the things which hold our state back a little. Many of the coaches are great so I don't mean this to reflect on all of them but I think they would admit themselves SA boxing has been a little too political and they are now working to improve that. Baby steps :)
step in when u jab as much as you can. dont be off balance just step in and step back in balance. Put ure weight into your jab as well as your other punches. hooks, straights etc.....