Barrera vs. Marquez - Disgrace!!!

I'll preface what I have to say with this: Both Barrera and Marquez are at the top of the food-chain in the 130lb. division. It doesn't get any better with the guts and glory such as this. I sat on the couch over my friend's house and almost fell asleep with the lackluster (to put it mildly) under-card these jackasses had the audacity to put together for a PPV event.
I knew something was awry when Hopkins won by a lopsided decision against a very game Forbes. To top it off, officials at the Nevada State Athletic Commission were haplessly perusing the crack dens of Vegas to find 'judges' that would score the main event.
Hats off to both Barrera and Marquez for a thrilling bout on such a woefully dreadful card. Shame on the sport of sports for continually living up to its corrupt reputation, and in this case, exceeding its tar and feather image by putting incompetent, and possibly over-drugged, delusional simps at ringside to score the bout.
I would have even been satisfied with a draw or a 1 point discrepancy going either way to each fighter. Although I thought Barrera clearly won the fight, I could have swallowed a split decision going to Marquez.
Fact of the matter is this: Boxing has become a joke. With such grave injustices as decisions and scores such as this, we can only hope that fighters risk more, take additional chances and ultimately take any decisive factors away from 'judges' by going for broke, throwing caution to the wind, and fighting purely for the KO.
I'm sickened by such scandalous ineptitude and flagrant corruption, and my stomach is soured by what has happened tonight.
Manny, in his post-fight closing remarks, summarized this disgrace without pulling any punches. Lampley, the consummate diplomat and spinmeister that he is, attempted to reason the merits of such an unreasonable decision.
Champions like Barrera are made inside of the ring; champions like Barrera are rare commodities to the sport. It's disgusting and disgraceful to see one such man that has given so much to the sport and to his adoring fans be shafted in such a blatantly and outlandish way. The sport of boxing loves its heroes, but it's a disgusting testament to the wicked side of human nature when we so callously tear them down...Pathetic is a term that comes to mind. But that would be a gross understatement. ::** ::** :'(

I hear you man. I just hope that those guys stick around long enough for H. Soto to get in that mix with the elites cause he definitely belongs.

Many more great fights to be made. Just gotta keep Nady away from those big fights.

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Originally Posted by The Shadow

I'll preface what I have to say with this: Both Barrera and Marquez are at the top of the food-chain in the 130lb. division. It doesn't get any better with the guts and glory such as this. I sat on the couch over my friend's house and almost fell asleep with the lackluster (to put it mildly) under-card these jackasses had the audacity to put together for a PPV event.
I knew something was awry when Hopkins won by a lopsided decision against a very game Forbes. To top it off, officials at the Nevada State Athletic Commission were haplessly perusing the crack dens of Vegas to find 'judges' that would score the main event.
Hats off to both Barrera and Marquez for a thrilling bout on such a woefully dreadful card. Shame on the sport of sports for continually living up to its corrupt reputation, and in this case, exceeding its tar and feather image by putting incompetent, and possibly over-drugged, delusional simps at ringside to score the bout.
I would have even been satisfied with a draw or a 1 point discrepancy going either way to each fighter. Although I thought Barrera clearly won the fight, I could have swallowed a split decision going to Marquez.
Fact of the matter is this: Boxing has become a joke. With such grave injustices as decisions and scores such as this, we can only hope that fighters risk more, take additional chances and ultimately take any decisive factors away from 'judges' by going for broke, throwing caution to the wind, and fighting purely for the KO.
I'm sickened by such scandalous ineptitude and flagrant corruption, and my stomach is soured by what has happened tonight.
Manny, in his post-fight closing remarks, summarized this disgrace without pulling any punches. Lampley, the consummate diplomat and spinmeister that he is, attempted to reason the merits of such an unreasonable decision.
Champions like Barrera are made inside of the ring; champions like Barrera are rare commodities to the sport. It's disgusting and disgraceful to see one such man that has given so much to the sport and to his adoring fans be shafted in such a blatantly and outlandish way. The sport of boxing loves its heroes, but it's a disgusting testament to the wicked side of human nature when we so callously tear them down...Pathetic is a term that comes to mind. But that would be a gross understatement. ::** ::** :'(

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It was a great fight. I was surprised when it wasnt even declared a split decision. I was sure 1 judge would have given it to JMM after a fight like that, but to hear those margins and at the point of not even knowing the winner, I was extremely sickened....

The 7th round was great, but tarnished by judicial incompetence and the judges were well off. We ALL agree that the fight was extremely close. Even those that think JMM edged it think so. Those that think Barrera won think so. So to get 118-109 is a fallacy of the highest order. Absolutely criminal!! >:mad

I think JMM won most of the rounds he was putting more punches together throwing combos connecting... MAB used his jab and kept firing off from there.....
I don't man! I mean I think JMM was busier and when they traded JMM got the better of the exchanges for ALMOST all of the round MAb trieddf to wi nthe roufnds by wining mthe last 30 secind of the round while JMM had won IMO the rest fo the round....

I'm watching the fihght right now and he does over and over.... MAB looked good and certainly won some rounds and I personally don't think Barrera-Marquez are a disgrace as yoiur title states on the thread..... But reading your post I don't think youo thjonk they are a disagrce YOU think the judges/scorecards are the disgarace sooo m,aybe you shoufld change the title of the thread to Barrera-Maruqez (The Scorecards are a disgrace) cause the way you have one would think thayt your sayifg the actual fghyters are the disgacre....

Excduse tmy grammmer been drin kkng...... :)

Hopkins won by a lopsided decision against a very game Forbes - Shadow

Yeah, I felt bad for Forbes. Hopkins won though and I am starting to get sick of "The Contenders" finding their way to HBO and Showtime.

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It was a great fight. I was surprised when it wasnt even declared a split decision. I was sure 1 judge would have given it to JMM after a fight like that, but to hear those margins and at the point of not even knowing the winner, I was extremely sickened....

The 7th round was great, but tarnished by judicial incompetence and the judges were well off. We ALL agree that the fight was extremely close. Even those that think JMM edged it think so. Those that think Barrera won think so. So to get 118-109 is a fallacy of the highest order. Absolutely criminal!! >:mad

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Back at ya, Miles. My jaw dropped to the ground and I quickly bounced off my friend's couch in a state of disbelief when I heard 118-109. I wonder if the judge's purses were higher than the fighters in the ring. Great fight? Indeed. Lousy and disgraceful decision? The tape and punch-stats speak for themselves.

Boxing is always full of controversy. The way I see it, Marquez deserves the title yet we need to admit that boxing had become a thing for commercialism. Barrera is going to retire and they need a new hero for Mexico. They need to give Marquez a convincing win. Fans are always disillusioned after their hero lose in a fight whether it was fairly judged or not. That is life..... admit it and the anger will let go.

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Originally Posted by CutMeMicK

I think JMM won most of the rounds he was putting more punches together throwing combos connecting... MAB used his jab and kept firing off from there.....
I don't man! I mean I think JMM was busier and when they traded JMM got the better of the exchanges for ALMOST all of the round MAb trieddf to wi nthe roufnds by wining mthe last 30 secind of the round while JMM had won IMO the rest fo the round....

I'm watching the fihght right now and he does over and over.... MAB looked good and certainly won some rounds and I personally don't think Barrera-Marquez are a disgrace as yoiur title states on the thread..... But reading your post I don't think youo thjonk they are a disagrce YOU think the judges/scorecards are the disgarace sooo m,aybe you shoufld change the title of the thread to Barrera-Maruqez (The Scorecards are a disgrace) cause the way you have one would think thayt your sayifg the actual fghyters are the disgacre....

Excduse tmy grammmer been drin kkng...... :)

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Of course, Rob. I can certainly excuse a night of getting a bit too pissed up and having alcohol impair your judgment. Try to explain away the punch-stats; try to explain away the fact that almost both of Marquez's eyes were swollen shut at the end of the fight while Barrera only had a little swelling under the right eye.
I'm not taking anything away from Marquez. He's a top-notch, highly skilled and ballsy boxer. It doesn't get much better than what we watched tonight.
There's no use playing semantics with the title of the thread, Rob. You read the post and know exactly what I was trying to say.
Something stinks in Vegas, and it isn't the stench of cheap prostitutes.

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Originally Posted by supergenius

Boxing is always full of controversy. The way I see it, Marquez deserves the title yet we need to admit that boxing had become a thing for commercialism. Barrera is going to retire and they need a new hero for Mexico. They need to give Marquez a convincing win. Fans are always disillusioned after their hero lose in a fight whether it was fairly judged or not. That is life..... admit it and the anger will let go.

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Certainly you're not attempting to say that Marquez pulled out a convincing win, are you? If so, I think we watched two entirely different fights.

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Originally Posted by The Shadow

I'll preface what I have to say with this: Both Barrera and Marquez are at the top of the food-chain in the 130lb. division. It doesn't get any better with the guts and glory such as this. I sat on the couch over my friend's house and almost fell asleep with the lackluster (to put it mildly) under-card these jackasses had the audacity to put together for a PPV event.
I knew something was awry when Hopkins won by a lopsided decision against a very game Forbes. To top it off, officials at the Nevada State Athletic Commission were haplessly perusing the crack dens of Vegas to find 'judges' that would score the main event.
Hats off to both Barrera and Marquez for a thrilling bout on such a woefully dreadful card. Shame on the sport of sports for continually living up to its corrupt reputation, and in this case, exceeding its tar and feather image by putting incompetent, and possibly over-drugged, delusional simps at ringside to score the bout.
I would have even been satisfied with a draw or a 1 point discrepancy going either way to each fighter. Although I thought Barrera clearly won the fight, I could have swallowed a split decision going to Marquez.
Fact of the matter is this: Boxing has become a joke. With such grave injustices as decisions and scores such as this, we can only hope that fighters risk more, take additional chances and ultimately take any decisive factors away from 'judges' by going for broke, throwing caution to the wind, and fighting purely for the KO.
I'm sickened by such scandalous ineptitude and flagrant corruption, and my stomach is soured by what has happened tonight.
Manny, in his post-fight closing remarks, summarized this disgrace without pulling any punches. Lampley, the consummate diplomat and spinmeister that he is, attempted to reason the merits of such an unreasonable decision.
Champions like Barrera are made inside of the ring; champions like Barrera are rare commodities to the sport. It's disgusting and disgraceful to see one such man that has given so much to the sport and to his adoring fans be shafted in such a blatantly and outlandish way. The sport of boxing loves its heroes, but it's a disgusting testament to the wicked side of human nature when we so callously tear them down...Pathetic is a term that comes to mind. But that would be a gross understatement. ::** ::** :'(

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Thank you for one of the best posts i have ever read on this board. I am still feeling sick at the scoring and result of this fight. No disrespect to Marquez, who fought beautifully, but the judging tainted this incredible fight. My heart goes out to Barrera...who despite all he has given to this sport...despite another gutsy and brilliant fight...gets SHAFTED and DISRESPECTED in such a way. A complete fucking joke.

I did not see the fight, but from those scores the fight was controlled by Marquez. It happens. Alot of people think because Morales is finished that his buddy Barrera will and should be also. so they might have hopes to end his career by decision.

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Originally Posted by The Shadow

Something stinks in Vegas, and it isn't the stench of cheap prostitutes.

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You my boy Steve.... :)

Suddenly the stinch of prostututes sounfds tasty right about mnow..... :lickish:

I see people throwing out accusations of corrupt judging, but you have to ask yourself, why would corrupt judges favor Marquez??
Barrera is the bigger name. Barrera has the bigger fanbase. Barrera has made much more money for the state of Nevada over the years than Marquez has.
Barrera-Pacquiao II would be a bigger money maker for Vegas than Marquez-Pacquiao II. There is no incentive for judges to be biased or corrupt in favor of Marquez.

There are plenty of opportunites to criticize boxing for being corrupt, but I don't see how this is one of them.

Ok...lets say they are not corrupt...then i assume they must either be blind or complete fucking morons. The scoring for both De Leon fight and the main event where a travesty. Call it corruption, moronic, or just plain strange....it is unacceptable.

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Originally Posted by zhubin

The scoring for both De Leon fight and the main event where a travesty. Call it corruption, moronic, or just plain strange....it is unacceptable.

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You think Geery Penalosa won the fight? Or you think the actual scores were bad?

Not saying De Leon won the fight...but nothing in his performance warranted the huge point differences.

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Originally Posted by zhubin

Ok...lets say they are not corrupt...then i assume they must either be blind or complete F****** morons. The scoring for both De Leon fight and the main event where a travesty. Call it corruption, moronic, or just plain strange....it is unacceptable.

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But do you think Barrera should have won the fight??
Because if you think Marquez won, then I don't see what the big deal is. Sure, you'd like the actual scores to match up with the way you feel it should be, but if they got the right winner, who really cares?
Do you think Barrera would feel any differently if the judges said he lost 115-113 instead of 118-110, or whatever they had it.... I don't think so. To Barrera, a loss is a loss.

Do you think Barrera would feel any differently if the judges said he lost 115-113 instead of 118-110, or whatever they had it.... I don't think so. To Barrera, a loss is a loss. - Sweet Pea

Excellent Point

I think Sweet Pea has a point just because the fight look very competitive and close does not mean that the scores need to be close too. To prove my point lets say that Barrera won six of the 12 rounds in your opinion, and they were very close rounds, the fight should be a draw but i think that just maybe Marquez might have pulled those six rounds (and i still think that they were very close) now all of a sudden i have Marquez winning by a shout out 12 rounds to none. The fight didn't look like that but thats what the scores say. Does that mean that i saw a completely different fight than you??? Any one sees it this way also???

i would never had any problems of who won the fight as long as the scoring didnt go too far.. i mean.. 118-109 is rediculous. giving a score like that is like saying barerra only won 3 or 4 rounds??? and the knockdown.. how could rule something a slip when a person stops punching and just knelt forward after a punch.. the deduction was understandable but if the referee called the knockdown barerra didnt have to punch marquez again.... what a disgrace... they did the same thing to pacquiao... 3 KD's in the first. it was a 10-6 round. and then after that the judges never saw pacquiao punch again to give marquez the draw.... why do these people ruin boxing????

I think AT THE VERY LEAST this fight should have been scored a draw. If anything, i had Barrera slightly winning. So yeah...i think it's a huge deal. But that's besides the point. You can't simply let the judges off the hook that easily. When there is such a huge discrapency in scoring in such a close fight...the judges need to be held accountable.

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Not saying De Leon won the fight...

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So you don't think he won then wow!!!\
Did you mean 'You don't hitnk he LOST the fight' ?

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Originally Posted by zhubin

but nothing in his performance warranted the huge point differences.

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This is what I put onm another thread elraleir tonoght....

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Originally Posted by CutMeMicK

PDL was the busier fighter caunt how many body shots PDL landed count the combinations PDL landed.....
Look at the pucnh stats..... Gerry was game but the Right hand punch and 1 at a time isn't enough to win rounds.... You gotta throw more then 1 pucnt at a time./
PDL was busy was going to the body, going to the top using his jab his used ring generalship. I really thaought Gerry was gonna go down from the body punches but damn! he took them and kept fighting forawrds throwing his own ounches....

Really good fight and PDL continued to imprive.....

Ecusre my typidn been drinmking.....

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When I heard the wide scoring I thought it must go to Barrera now but it just goes to show how bad the game has got .

Even if they have a return , the same thing could happen again. Barrera might do well just to walk away and stick his fingers up to the soprt . 3 of his losses he felt he won . Jnr jones 2 , Morales 1 and now this . He doesnt need people taking it away from him anymore after giving the sport so much .

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Originally Posted by GAME

When I heard the wide scoring I thought it must go to Barrera now but it just goes to show how bad the game has got .

Even if they have a return , the same thing could happen again. Barrera might do well just to walk away and stick his fingers up to the soprt . 3 of his losses he felt he won . Jnr jones 2 , Morales 1 and now this . He doesnt need people taking it away from him anymore after giving the sport so much .

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I agree to a large extent. But when I heard that initial score of 118-109 I grimaced. Even though I thought Barrera won the fight, the margins were far closer than that.
I agree with your assessment of Barrera flipping the bird off to the bureaucrats of Nevada. Just a shame that fighters like Barrera and Morales, fighters who have given so much to the sport, have been wronged in such a conspicuous way.
I bring up Erik because he was the consummate slugger who always had a ton of skills but couldn't help to get into heated exchanges. Unfortunately he's taken too much punishment in the ring and I think his career is in it's twilight. But there is always a part of us that hopes and prays they have one more bit of magic in them. We've been spoiled by such great athletes and fierce competitors.

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Originally Posted by The Shadow

Something stinks in Vegas, and it isn't the stench of cheap prostitutes.

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You my boy Steve.... :)

Suddenly the stinch of prostututes sounfds tasty right about mnow..... :lickish:

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;D Fuk it. If I was in Vegas, I would have made sure to bring enough dinero to go high-end.

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Originally Posted by CutMeMicK

I think JMM won most of the rounds he was putting more punches together throwing combos connecting... MAB used his jab and kept firing off from there.....
I don't man! I mean I think JMM was busier and when they traded JMM got the better of the exchanges for ALMOST all of the round MAb trieddf to wi nthe roufnds by wining mthe last 30 secind of the round while JMM had won IMO the rest fo the round....

I'm watching the fihght right now and he does over and over.... MAB looked good and certainly won some rounds and I personally don't think Barrera-Marquez are a disgrace as yoiur title states on the thread..... But reading your post I don't think youo thjonk they are a disagrce YOU think the judges/scorecards are the disgarace sooo m,aybe you shoufld change the title of the thread to Barrera-Maruqez (The Scorecards are a disgrace) cause the way you have one would think thayt your sayifg the actual fghyters are the disgacre....

Excduse tmy grammmer been drin kkng...... :)

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cc If we all notice Most of the fight it was Marquez that was the agressor and seemed that he wanted it more. He pressed the action.

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Originally Posted by SweetPea

I see people throwing out accusations of corrupt judging, but you have to ask yourself, why would corrupt judges favor Marquez??
Barrera is the bigger name. Barrera has the bigger fanbase. Barrera has made much more money for the state of Nevada over the years than Marquez has.
Barrera-Pacquiao II would be a bigger money maker for Vegas than Marquez-Pacquiao II. There is no incentive for judges to be biased or corrupt in favor of Marquez.

There are plenty of opportunites to criticize boxing for being corrupt, but I don't see how this is one of them.

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:coolclick: Very good point.

I had it 117-110 Marquez. Every round was a war but Marquez consistently outpunched him in nearly every round. I give props to the judges for scoring the fight as it happened and not giving MAB sympathy rounds for putting up such a good fight.

I think people just want the cards to be closer to make the fight seem more dramatic. It's not necessary. It was a great fight.

And I thought Penalosa won 4 or 5 rounds.

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Originally Posted by Terp

I had it 117-110 Marquez. Every round was a war but Marquez consistently outpunched him in nearly every round. I give props to the judges for scoring the fight as it happened and not giving MAB sympathy rounds for putting up such a good fight.

I think people just want the cards to be closer to make the fight seem more dramatic. It's not necessary. It was a great fight.

And I thought Penalosa won 4 or 5 rounds.

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punchstats say different

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Originally Posted by Terp

I had it 117-110 Marquez. Every round was a war but Marquez consistently outpunched him in nearly every round. I give props to the judges for scoring the fight as it happened and not giving MAB sympathy rounds for putting up such a good fight.

I think people just want the cards to be closer to make the fight seem more dramatic. It's not necessary. It was a great fight.

And I thought Penalosa won 4 or 5 rounds.

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No they don't. Marquez landed something like 50 more power punches than MAB even tho MAB landed more punches overall. Outpunching someone doesn't mean landing more punches, it means landing the harder, cleaner punches, which Marquez did in 8 or 9 rounds.

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Originally Posted by Terp

I had it 117-110 Marquez. Every round was a war but Marquez consistently outpunched him in nearly every round. I give props to the judges for scoring the fight as it happened and not giving MAB sympathy rounds for putting up such a good fight.

I think people just want the cards to be closer to make the fight seem more dramatic. It's not necessary. It was a great fight.

And I thought Penalosa won 4 or 5 rounds.

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Barrera threw and landed more ::**

Look at their faces at the end of the fight

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I had it 117-110 Marquez. Every round was a war but Marquez consistently outpunched him in nearly every round. I give props to the judges for scoring the fight as it happened and not giving MAB sympathy rounds for putting up such a good fight.

I think people just want the cards to be closer to make the fight seem more dramatic. It's not necessary. It was a great fight.

And I thought Penalosa won 4 or 5 rounds.

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No they don't. Marquez landed something like 50 more power punches than MAB even tho MAB landed more punches overall. Outpunching someone doesn't mean landing more punches, it means landing the harder, cleaner punches, which Marquez did in 8 or 9 rounds.

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for someone landing more powershots barreras face surely didnt look it marquez face looked like he had been hit with brick and if barrera would of been credited with knockdown he would of won fight on my card hbo had barrera up 1 if i remember right i dont know how you have marquez 7 points up

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Originally Posted by Terp

I had it 117-110 Marquez. Every round was a war but Marquez consistently outpunched him in nearly every round. I give props to the judges for scoring the fight as it happened and not giving MAB sympathy rounds for putting up such a good fight.

I think people just want the cards to be closer to make the fight seem more dramatic. It's not necessary. It was a great fight.

And I thought Penalosa won 4 or 5 rounds.

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only rounds CLEARLY won by barerra imo were the first three. After that it goes either way between him and Marquez.

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Originally Posted by Terp

I had it 117-110 Marquez. Every round was a war but Marquez consistently outpunched him in nearly every round. I give props to the judges for scoring the fight as it happened and not giving MAB sympathy rounds for putting up such a good fight.

I think people just want the cards to be closer to make the fight seem more dramatic. It's not necessary. It was a great fight.

And I thought Penalosa won 4 or 5 rounds.

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only rounds CLEARLY won by barerra imo were the first three. After that it goes either way between him and Marquez.

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agreed

So that's what your basing the fight being close on? Marquez's face and Lederman's scoring?

Barrera busted JMM up with the jab and the HBO crew is incompetent. JMM landed the harder cleaner punches through out the fight and the judges saw it.

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I had it 117-110 Marquez. Every round was a war but Marquez consistently outpunched him in nearly every round. I give props to the judges for scoring the fight as it happened and not giving MAB sympathy rounds for putting up such a good fight.

I think people just want the cards to be closer to make the fight seem more dramatic. It's not necessary. It was a great fight.

And I thought Penalosa won 4 or 5 rounds.

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No they don't. Marquez landed something like 50 more power punches than MAB even tho MAB landed more punches overall. Outpunching someone doesn't mean landing more punches, it means landing the harder, cleaner punches, which Marquez did in 8 or 9 rounds.

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for someone landing more powershots barreras face surely didnt look it marquez face looked like he had been hit with brick and if barrera would of been credited with knockdown he would of won fight on my card hbo had barrera up 1 if i remember right i dont know how you have marquez 7 points up

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Yeah Winky Wright can outpunch people with his jab let alone and just because they land more power punches on him doesn't mean they out punch him. Barerra's jab was key in the early rounds and its things Pernell Whitaker made a career out of.

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Originally Posted by Terp

So that's what your basing the fight being close on? Marquez's face and Lederman's scoring?

Barrera busted JMM up with the jab and the HBO crew is incompetent. JMM landed the harder cleaner punches through out the fight and the judges saw it.

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agreed but there not normally out by 7 rounds ..

no im not basing it on there face or ledermans scoring but im just saying its nothing to do with drama like you said in other thread it was close fight that could of gone either way i dont know how you had marquez up 7 rounds up even biggest marquez fans on here only had him winning by 1 round 2 at the most

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Originally Posted by Terp

I had it 117-110 Marquez. Every round was a war but Marquez consistently outpunched him in nearly every round. I give props to the judges for scoring the fight as it happened and not giving MAB sympathy rounds for putting up such a good fight.

I think people just want the cards to be closer to make the fight seem more dramatic. It's not necessary. It was a great fight.

And I thought Penalosa won 4 or 5 rounds.

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only rounds CLEARLY won by barerra imo were the first three. After that it goes either way between him and Marquez.

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I gave Marquez at least one of the first 3. Maybe 2. There's no way MAB made a clean sweep of the first 3 rounds. He kept the exchanges to a minimum but he was getting the worst of the exchanges even then.

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Originally Posted by Terp

So that's what your basing the fight being close on? Marquez's face and Lederman's scoring?

Barrera busted JMM up with the jab and the HBO crew is incompetent. JMM landed the harder cleaner punches through out the fight and the judges saw it.

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So he couldnt floor Barrera and Barrera floored him . Barreras jab did all the facial damage . Marquez wasnt warned about his low blows . How can you justify that insane judging given that Barrera threw and landed more .

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Originally Posted by Terp

I had it 117-110 Marquez. Every round was a war but Marquez consistently outpunched him in nearly every round. I give props to the judges for scoring the fight as it happened and not giving MAB sympathy rounds for putting up such a good fight.

I think people just want the cards to be closer to make the fight seem more dramatic. It's not necessary. It was a great fight.

And I thought Penalosa won 4 or 5 rounds.

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No they don't. Marquez landed something like 50 more power punches than MAB even tho MAB landed more punches overall. Outpunching someone doesn't mean landing more punches, it means landing the harder, cleaner punches, which Marquez did in 8 or 9 rounds.

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for someone landing more powershots barreras face surely didnt look it marquez face looked like he had been hit with brick and if barrera would of been credited with knockdown he would of won fight on my card hbo had barrera up 1 if i remember right i dont know how you have marquez 7 points up

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Yeah Winky Wright can outpunch people with his jab let alone and just because they land more power punches on him doesn't mean they out punch him. Barerra's jab was key in the early rounds and its things Pernell Whitaker made a career out of.

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Winky lands lots of jabs and takes few punches clean from his opponent. Winky lands the cleaner more effective punches. MAB didn't.

You're bringing up Wright and Whitaker as if they lost to JMM last night.