Re: Round 7 10-9...??!!??
Before the incident it would have been 10 - 9 marquez for me
Then the knockdown occured.. 10 - 8 Barrera
Punched jmm while down and a point deduction would make it 10 - 9 to barrera for me
a great round..Perhaps the round of the year candidate!!..I had such a bad feeling about when marco was standing over him about to punch marquez while down..It was going slowmo for me and all i could think about was jones - griffin..
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Point deductions are taken away from the final tally, not the round. So 10-9 Marquez is the correct score.
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Round should have been 10-9 Marquez before the deduction, therefore 10-8 Marquez...
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What was killing me was that the announcers refused to acknowledge Marquez's accuracy & effectiveness. He was hammering Barrera around the ring & it just slipped their minds...either that or them bitches were blind as fwock.
Anywho, the fact that he was coming on after the droppage & effectively controlling Barrera for the duration was win enough for me.
Still...great fight...fuck the judges & their stupidity.
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If you listen closely Lampley was crediting MAB for punches he wasn't landing during the trades they only mentioned MABs punches not acknowledging JMMs punches as he landed more combos throughout the fight was more active for the most part of the rounds and MAB would try to steal the rounds with 20 to 30 seconds left........
In the end I saw what happened and I know JMM got the better part of the trades....
All in all it was a great fight and so far FOTY mos' def'...... 8)
Re: Round 7 10-9...??!!??
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Originally Posted by Greig
Round should have been 10-9 Marquez before the deduction, therefore 10-8 Marquez...
Perhaps I should explain it again. When a fighter is deducted a point, they are not decucted a point for that round. The judges will score the round as if the deduction never happened. At the end of the fight, after the scores are added up, a point will be deducted from the total score of penalized fighter.
As far as the judges are concerned, the KD and the deduction never happened.
And if the KD was counted and there hadn't been a foul, 10-9 MAB would be the proper score. He doesn't get a 10-8 round for scoring a KD after he had the holy hell beat out of him for the entirety of the round.
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Originally Posted by CutMeMicK
If you listen closely Lampley was crediting MAB for punches he wasn't landing during the trades they only mentioned MABs punches not acknowledging JMMs punches
So what you're saying is that Lampley called this fight the same way he calls every Barrera fight.
To answer the main question, the scoring for Round 7 should have been 9-8 Marquez.
Marquez dominated the first 2:55 of the round. Barrera should have credited with the knockdown, but Barrera didn't deserve a 10-8 round, since Marquez had dominated the first 2:55.
If Nady had called it a knockdown, and Barrera hadn't thrown the illegal punch, it should have been a 9-9 round at that point. Marquez winning the round, but losing a point because he was knocked down.
Then, because Barrera threw the blatantly dirty and illegal punch, he deserved a point deduction, which would have made the correct score 9-8 Marquez.
That's why it was stupid that the announcers spent the whole night complaining that it was a 2 or 3 point swing, that's not true.
The missed knockdown just meant a one point difference.
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Originally Posted by Terp
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Originally Posted by Greig
Round should have been 10-9 Marquez before the deduction, therefore 10-8 Marquez...
Perhaps I should explain it again. When a fighter is deducted a point, they are not decucted a point for that round. The judges will score the round as if the deduction never happened. At the end of the fight, after the scores are added up, a point will be deducted from the total score of penalized fighter.
As far as the judges are concerned, the KD and the deduction never happened.
And if the KD was counted and there hadn't been a foul, 10-9 MAB would be the proper score. He doesn't get a 10-8 round for scoring a KD after he had the holy hell beat out of him for the entirety of the round.
No it goes a 10 - 8 round
As follows..
10 - 9 to the winner of the round
A fighter scores a knockdown 10 - 8
Both score a knockdown 10 - 10
Two knockdowns is 10 - 7
And most judges wont score more then a 10 - 7 round for a fighter say for instance three flash knockdowns and the fighter is not hurt they wont do it incase it puts them too far back into the fight..
Example.. Three knockdowns for pacquioau against marquez during the first round..
They rule the round 10 - 7 for the reason i explained and since it was highly unlikely juan manuel would last much longer at the time you would think it a just decision..
But juan comes back into the fight to make it all even by the end of the fight..
Now.. Through no fault of the judges...Pac has a certain edge over this score as the judges had the right to score the round 10- 6 but didnt do so as it was unlikely to affect the scoring in the long run..
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i agree with sweet pea. 10-9 before the knock down. at the knock down the score become 9-9. after the foul the score becomes 9-8 JMM.
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There is no 9-9 round. It's the 10-point must system. If the KD had counted the best Marquez could've gotten is 10-9 for MAB. Marquez was dropped so he can't get 10 points. Somebody must get 10 points so it would be 10-9 MAB. It's not 10-8 MAB because he was clearly losing the round big before the KD.
If you count the deduction towards round 7 rather than the final tally (as official judges do) then it's 9-9. Although it's actually 10-9 MAB with a point deducted from the final tally.
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Originally Posted by Tito_BHB
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Originally Posted by Terp
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Originally Posted by Greig
Round should have been 10-9 Marquez before the deduction, therefore 10-8 Marquez...
Perhaps I should explain it again. When a fighter is deducted a point, they are not decucted a point for that round. The judges will score the round as if the deduction never happened. At the end of the fight, after the scores are added up, a point will be deducted from the total score of penalized fighter.
As far as the judges are concerned, the KD and the deduction never happened.
And if the KD was counted and there hadn't been a foul, 10-9 MAB would be the proper score. He doesn't get a 10-8 round for scoring a KD after he had the holy hell beat out of him for the entirety of the round.
No it goes a 10 - 8 round
As follows..
10 - 9 to the winner of the round
A fighter scores a knockdown 10 - 8
Both score a knockdown 10 - 10
Two knockdowns is 10 - 7
And most judges wont score more then a 10 - 7 round for a fighter say for instance three flash knockdowns and the fighter is not hurt they wont do it incase it puts them too far back into the fight..
Example.. Three knockdowns for pacquioau against marquez during the first round..
They rule the round 10 - 7 for the reason i explained and since it was highly unlikely juan manuel would last much longer at the time you would think it a just decision..
But juan comes back into the fight to make it all even by the end of the fight..
Now.. Through no fault of the judges...Pac has a certain edge over this score as the judges had the right to score the round 10- 6 but didnt do so as it was unlikely to affect the scoring in the long run..
A KD is not an automatic 10-8 round. The idea is a fighter loses a point for getting KD'd, thus preventing him from getting the 10 points that must go to at least one fighter. If a fighter is clearly losing a round and scores a KD he's not supposed to get a 10-8 round. Usually they'll give it to him if the round was somewhat competetive but JMM dominated the whole round. By your logic you can beat the hell out of an opponent for 2:30 seconds and then drop him, or get the shit kicked out of you and score a flash KD and still get the same score.
BTW, if both fighters score a KD it's not automatically 10-10. The round would go to the winner of the actual round 10-9. Remember whatever round Quartey and DLH dropped eachother in? All 3 judges scored that 10-9 Quartey.
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Originally Posted by Terp
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Originally Posted by Greig
Round should have been 10-9 Marquez before the deduction, therefore 10-8 Marquez...
Perhaps I should explain it again. When a fighter is deducted a point, they are not decucted a point for that round. The judges will score the round as if the deduction never happened. At the end of the fight, after the scores are added up, a point will be deducted from the total score of penalized fighter.
As far as the judges are concerned, the KD and the deduction never happened.
And if the KD was counted and there hadn't been a foul, 10-9 MAB would be the proper score. He doesn't get a 10-8 round for scoring a KD after he had the holy hell beat out of him for the entirety of the round.
Holy S*** Terp - Been a boxing fan for 20 years and I never knew that - thought they deducted the point from the scores from that round and that's why the ref goes round to all 3 judges and lets them know. Why would he do that, wouldn't he be better of just letting the guy who adds up the cards know then?
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I still don't understand why people are scoring/counting the knockdown when it was NOT ruled a knockdown.... :dontknow:
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CC 8) Terp for making that perfectly clear and understanable
Obviously people get confused because the TV commentaters scorecards are posted during the fight with the point deduction already taken into account.
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Originally Posted by CutMeMicK
If you listen closely Lampley was crediting MAB for punches he wasn't landing during the trades they only mentioned MABs punches not acknowledging JMMs punches as he landed more combos throughout the fight was more active for the most part of the rounds and MAB would try to steal the rounds with 20 to 30 seconds left........
In the end I saw what happened and I know JMM got the better part of the trades....
All in all it was a great fight and so far FOTY mos' def'...... 8)
There's three potentials. Mell Mormeck 2, Vasquez and Marquez, and Barerra Marquez(I so far). All were very exciting fights so it will be hard to say and we have 3 potential FOTY's and we havent even broken into April yet!!!
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Originally Posted by Majesty
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Originally Posted by CutMeMicK
If you listen closely Lampley was crediting MAB for punches he wasn't landing during the trades they only mentioned MABs punches not acknowledging JMMs punches as he landed more combos throughout the fight was more active for the most part of the rounds and MAB would try to steal the rounds with 20 to 30 seconds left........
In the end I saw what happened and I know JMM got the better part of the trades....
All in all it was a great fight and so far FOTY mos' def'...... 8)
There's three potentials. Mell Mormeck 2, Vasquez and Marquez, and Barerra Marquez(I so far). All were very exciting fights so it will be hard to say and we have 3 potential FOTY's and we havent even broken into April yet!!!
Right off the top for my likings I would cross out Bell-Mormeck II, it was a good scrap but by any means it is not a candidate for fight of the year.... Instead of Bell-Mormeck II, I would put Graham-Katsidis now that's a candidate fir FOTY.....
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Originally Posted by CutMeMicK
I still don't understand why people are scoring/counting the knockdown when it was NOT ruled a knockdown.... :dontknow:
because it was clearly a knockdown. that shot hit JMM right on the button. it was damn good shot and it should have been counted as a knockdown. so peole are just saying how the round should been score and handle by the ref.
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Originally Posted by 'The Boxer'
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Originally Posted by CutMeMicK
I still don't understand why people are scoring/counting the knockdown when it was NOT ruled a knockdown.... :dontknow:
because it was clearly a knockdown. that shot hit JMM right on the button. it was damn good shot and it should have been counted as a knockdown. so peole are just saying how the round should been score and handle by the ref.
'have' and 'was' are 2 different things....
We all saw what happened no one is denying that MAB knock JMM down, JMM himself said it in the post-fight interview he knocked me down....
Thats like talking about a basketball game and counting a 3 pointer that was ruled as a 2..... Makes no sense... :(
Cause it was ruled otherwise by the ref/authority......
