Let's put Barrera v Marquez into perspective.....

It was a very good fight but was pretty tame imo for the first 5/6 rounds with the only real trading going off in the last 10 seconds of each round with each fighter trying to snatch the descision,Barrera was blatantly robbed in the 7th and the judges were way off in the final scoring.
Marquez deserved the victory by maybe 2 clear rounds and anyone who had Barrera ahead is having a f*cking joke with us ;)
Marquez took the fight to Barrera in most rounds and definately won fair and square.
Rematch would be a better fight imo with both going toe to toe from the off 8)
The recent fight between Graham Earl and Michael Katsidis had miles more War like action,knockdowns and twists and turns in only 5 rounds, absolutely no question about it.
Gotta be a rematch :)

Barrera was also a lucky man not to be disqualified in the 7th but what goes around comes around so the failure to score a KO etc seems justifiable in hindsight.

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It was a very good fight but was pretty tame imo for the first 5/6 rounds with the only real trading going off in the last 10 seconds of each round with each fighter trying to snatch the descision,Barrera was blatantly robbed in the 7th and the judges were way off in the final scoring.
Marquez deserved the victory by maybe 2 clear rounds and anyone who had Barrera ahead is having a f*cking joke with us ;)
Marquez took the fight to Barrera in most rounds and definately won fair and square.
Rematch would be a better fight imo with both going toe to toe from the off 8)
The recent fight between Graham Earl and Michael Katsidis had miles more War like action,knockdowns and twists and turns in only 5 rounds, absolutely no question about it.
Gotta be a rematch :)

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disagree with that comment harold lederman had barrera up by 1 point i had it draw its not out of question that barrera could of won by 1 round and vice versa

Did you watch the fight Smashup? Was alot closer than you make it seem.

Just watched it twice mate and i clearly saw a Marquez victory by 2 rounds ;)
Good scrap when it got going 8)

Barrera hit him when he was down because you dont stop until the ref gets in there...the ref was picking his nose...

I agree to an extent. It wasn't the wars that we've witnessed ala Morales v. Barrera, but it was a real good fight. I think Barrera should have gotten the nod and the decision.

Totally agree and firmly believe that Hatton v Castillo will be more of a War ;)
Bemuses me that people are touting this as fight of the year :-\

Boxrec already got the rematch down ;D
http://www.boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=012222

Hey, I look at this way...Marquez was due for a decision to go his way, I'm not gonna hate him for the judges folly. We should be talking about how good a fight it was and not the scoring and 7th round.There were some great exchanges where they both connected simultaneously..great slo motion shots on the replays ;)

Yeah the face wobbling slo mo's were excellent which is more than i can say for Larry Merchants Sloooooooow interview technique ;)
Was he pissed or what?

I think he forgot his lines, or he was in some deep thought...lol...he is starting to look like the Emporer from Star Wars.He just needsthe dark robe.

hahaha
I also think that there should be an enquiry into the way those judges scored the bout.
Disgrace

i'm not gonna make any comments because i didn't see the fight i'm just gonna say i told ya'll. i had been saying for years that JMM could beat Barrera and people thought i was crazy.

Barrera was talking about this being his last year in boxing. If the rematch is gonna happen, I hope its in Mexico. Anywhere but Vegas, Alamodome maybe. It didnt look like the place was too packed either, the first two fights hardly any people in the rich people seats...whats up with that bs? Barrera was talking about leaving Golden Boy, lol I hope so. If Barrera retires Marquez should rematch Paquiao and Chris John, not in Indonesia.

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It was a very good fight but was pretty tame imo for the first 5/6 rounds with the only real trading going off in the last 10 seconds of each round with each fighter trying to snatch the descision,Barrera was blatantly robbed in the 7th and the judges were way off in the final scoring.
Marquez deserved the victory by maybe 2 clear rounds and anyone who had Barrera ahead is having a f*cking joke with us ;)
Marquez took the fight to Barrera in most rounds and definately won fair and square.
Rematch would be a better fight imo with both going toe to toe from the off 8)
The recent fight between Graham Earl and Michael Katsidis had miles more War like action,knockdowns and twists and turns in only 5 rounds, absolutely no question about it.
Gotta be a rematch :)

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I hope they don't have a rematch - barrera has been my number 1 fighter since i can remeber, he will always be my fav fighter - even tho he looked great last night, he isnt quite the same, the hunger IMO is gone! and i don't think he can quite take a punch like he could; the barrera of a few years ago would of been all over JMM like white on rice in the 8th round the way he came out, he was clearly still not with it after the knock down, his eyes liked glazed and his head hadn't clearled, barrera would of gone and hit 7 bells out of him and stopped him in that round.

Was a fantastic fight and i am happy for JMM; i think out fo the two he has the better chance to beat pac (even tho i think barrera won that fight) he has the hunger and grit to take the big hits, get up off the floor and make a go of it! Barrera now if he fights on would fight pac no doubt in my mind, but he doesn't have the hunger like he used to...

I think we fans are sometimes led astray by Lampley's piss poor scoring and loud hysteria, Christ, I thought Max was bad. Just because he and Manny see it one way doesn't mean it's the right way. That said, Forbes got a major hose job. MAB-JMN could have been closer and maybe even a draw.

As I've said in 2 other threads in my first day here, lol, the rounds were close but the fight wasn't. Marquez just outpunched the guy thru the whole fight. MAB landed a ton of nice jabs but whenever they exchanged he was on the losing end 9/10.

Marquez was much much sharper all night but i feel that Barrera would do better in a rematch.

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Marquez was much much sharper all night but i feel that Barrera would do better in a rematch.

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What makes you think that ?

I'm a huge Barrera fanbut I think this setback has really disillusioned him and I wouldnt be surprised if he turned his back on boxing after whats happend to him

Simply put..he knows he can KO Marquez plus i don't think he was in very good shape ;)
Age could be a big factor in that i suppose and i feel losing out on the KO will drive someone like Barrera to victory next time out.
He may (as you say) simply turn it in,maybe he should call it a day in all fairness to him.

I would much rather see JMM take on PAC now instead of the rematch, JMM s not getting any younger sooo I say go after PAC and make the fight happen.....

That would be superb and i can't see why not.
Weird that Boxrec have a rematch listed already for Sept as i can't imagine anything could be sorted so swiftly :o

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Simply put..he knows he can KO Marquez plus i don't think he was in very good shape ;)

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He dropped Marquez pretty good but MAB looked more hurt than Marquez ever was.

And what makes you think he wasn't in good shape?

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Simply put..he knows he can KO Marquez plus i don't think he was in very good shape ;)
Age could be a big factor in that i suppose and i feel losing out on the KO will drive someone like Barrera to victory next time out.
He may (as you say) simply turn it in,maybe he should call it a day in all fairness to him.

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What do you man about the shape ? Do you know something I dont . Its also sus that a flood of money went on JMM late and then he got wide scores .

Yeah before the fight I didnt think Barrera could k.o JMM and vice versa but now I know Barrera can drop him with 1 shot . Jmm landed his best shots on Barrera and couldnt floor him . Makes for an interesting return

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Simply put..he knows he can KO Marquez plus i don't think he was in very good shape ;)
Age could be a big factor in that i suppose and i feel losing out on the KO will drive someone like Barrera to victory next time out.
He may (as you say) simply turn it in,maybe he should call it a day in all fairness to him.

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What do you man about the shape ? Do you know something I dont . Its also sus that a flood of money went on JMM late and then he got wide scores

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Thats not suss at all. It's called smart money.

From when it was priced up, win or lose, Marquez looked worth a punt in a 50/50 contest ;)

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Originally Posted by Smashup

Simply put..he knows he can KO Marquez plus i don't think he was in very good shape ;)
Age could be a big factor in that i suppose and i feel losing out on the KO will drive someone like Barrera to victory next time out.
He may (as you say) simply turn it in,maybe he should call it a day in all fairness to him.

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What do you man about the shape ? Do you know something I dont . Its also sus that a flood of money went on JMM late and then he got wide scores

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Thats not suss at all. It's called smart money.

From when it was priced up, win or lose, Marquez looked worth a punt in a 50/50 contest ;)

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if you look at the picks made for the prediction contest you'll see that the early picks were on barerra and the lates were on marquez... and thats got nothing to do with money.

i thought barerra looked funny right from the ring entrance. i commentetd to my brother on how he seemed subdued and pasty with bags under his eyes. now i know barerra is calm and calculated, but he usually has an determined allertness to him that wasn't there from the start in my opinion. he fought well over the first few rounds, but then seemed to lay back over 4, 5 & 6 and was really just pulling the stops out to steal the round at the 20 second mark... so while i though barerra was being given the decision, i can see how marquez won rounds where barerra sat back and let come forward. and they always say the vegas judges like aggression.

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Originally Posted by Smashup

Simply put..he knows he can KO Marquez plus i don't think he was in very good shape ;)
Age could be a big factor in that i suppose and i feel losing out on the KO will drive someone like Barrera to victory next time out.
He may (as you say) simply turn it in,maybe he should call it a day in all fairness to him.

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What do you man about the shape ? Do you know something I dont . Its also sus that a flood of money went on JMM late and then he got wide scores .

Yeah before the fight I didnt think Barrera could k.o JMM and vice versa but now I know Barrera can drop him with 1 shot . Jmm landed his best shots on Barrera and couldnt floor him . Makes for an interesting return

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Impressed me too, while groggy Barrera was able to drop JMM with 1 punch :o
Nady is freakin blind :(