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why don't all you PBF haters go and see if you can download corrales castillo I. this is on of the best fights to happen in recent memory and PBF beat both of them. watch that fight and then talk to me about PBF.
when your done watching kimbo slice on youtube do a search for a real fight.
It was an amazing fight, better than both of the PBF-Castillo bouts put together. The way they both went to war and never gave up until only one was standing makes that fight legendary. Why you are using that fight to somehow merit PBF I dont know..........
I cant think of anything to say about PBF at the minute as I just watched the Barrera Marquez fight.....I do like his skipping thing he is very impressive
i use that fight because castillo and corrales are too very skilled tough fighters that made great fight. then i think to myself damn PBF outboxed both those guys.
PBF is almost a god when it comes to boxing ability and I respect him for it. Unfortunately for him, he has never had a single fight that will be looked upon as a 'classic' in years to come. I hope he manages it in the ODLH fight, because if anytime is HIS time the ODLH fight is surely it.Quote:
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Thats like saying watch the Gatti-Ward trilogy and giving Ivan Robinson and Tony Martin props....Styles make fights
If I am not mistaken, PBF did not do enough to win his first fight versus Castillo.
In the rematch PBF beat Castillo fair and square and Castillo somewhere in the 10th said he could not figure Floyds style out and it was just too much for him. Castillo was totally frustrated.
Diego Corrales IMO I never liked him and I never thought he was all that great.
Totally out classed by PBF. Diego knew he was going to the joint and he aint been the same since then. Overated.
Floyd has not beat anyone else since?
Right?
Let's take a look.
Victoriano Sosa went 12 and was out boxed by Floyd.
Same guy moved up and was destoyed in 4 by Cotto. Not only was Sosa outboxed by Cotto, he was destroyed and ultimately chased back down to 135 one fight later.
Phillip N'dou. Phillip N' WHO? No one knows who this South African is. Has only been knocked out one other time. Was Ko'ed by Floyd in the 7th. Phillip N'dou moved up the ranks fighting complete nobodys a la Kelly Pavlik opponents with terrible records.
DeMarcus Corley. Not the best fighter out there but a good journeyman. He went 12 with Zab and Floyd but was ultimately beatin down in a sometimes seasaw battle against Cotto.
Ref saved Corley from Cotto's wrath and stopped the fight in 5. Too many knees says you aint fighting. You are trying to survive.
Henry Bruseles. No one knows who he is. Was knocked the puck out by PBF in the 8th.
Arturo Gatti. Old past his prime. Was knocked the puck out by ODLH 6 years ago @ 147. Gatti's face is so tender from all the scar tissue, I could throw buttered pop corn at him and hit him in the face which would cause swelling. Knocked out by PBF in the 6th @ 140.
W 40 (31 ko's) | L 8 | D 0 | Total 48 bad record and should retire.
Sharmba Mitchell. Old azz southpaw who was destroyed twice by Kostya Tszyu in 2001 and 2004. Looks like Floyd is bottom feeding from Kostya Tszyu's dumpster.
Zab Judah. Destoyed by Kostya Tszyu in under 2 rounds. Went the distance with Floyd. An ok fight. We knew Zab was not all that and his loss against Carlos Manuel Baldomir was confirmation of that fact. Floyd dumpster diving in Kostya Tszyu's bin again.
Carlos Manuel Baldomir. People in Argentina don't even know who he is.
W 43 (13 ko's) | L 10 | D 6 | Total 59
Old azz soft hitter does not even belong in this sport.
Shows you that when we have people like this holding a title, something is wrong with this division.
So what is your phuking point?
Your point is?
Floyd aint done shiet since he beat Castillo and Corrales and yet he claims he is better than Sugar Ray Robbinson and Sugar Ray Leonard?
HA HA HA HA HA HA!
WHAT A JOKE!
I wont deny he is pretty good but his claims are what ruined it.
He can say he is the greatest fighter to ever step into the ring but I know better.
You can defend Floyd by saying that it is not his fault that there were nothing but bums in those divisions etc ..etc. I agree and I say Floyd was lucky. Circumstances of events fighting old people have made him look better than he is.
I have said this once and I will say it again.
Floyd has yet to fight any Sugar Rays, Haglers, Hearns or Durans. But there are some ok fighters waiting for Floyda and one of them is Cotto. ;D Margarito still want's a piece of the Grand Rapids Chicken. How many undefeated fighters has Floyd beat?
Cotto 4 Life!
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Originally Posted by Danny_G
floyd might well be up there with the very best he has all the tools but his constant bad mouthing and crap opposition is a real turn off !!
I like watching him honestly but his fights are forgone conclusions before he gets in the ring !!
He's by passed alot of fighters , he should have fought , Casamayor , Hatton,Cotto and Magarito and paid his dues at Lightwelter and Welter instead of fighting utterly washed up figthers .
As for Corrales ? That was 6 or 7 years ago and Diego was completely fucked at the weight
I'd have fancied him in all these fights but he is taking the safety 1st less than sceneic route and thats something Sugar Ray and Roberto Duran never did .... and thats the tooooooth baby.
I know that Floyd is good but come on nearly all the fighters he fought were coming off losses ?
True ?
Untrue.
Carlos Baldomir hadn't lost a fight since 1998. And his record doesn't really indicate how good he actually is- many of those matches may well have had the scales already tipped in the other fighter's favor.
Arturo Gatti hadn't lost a match since the wars with Mickey Ward. Say what you want, but he was the champ
Phillip N'dou hadn't lost a fight since 1998. At the time he fought Mayweather he only had one L.
Jose Luis Castillo was 45-4 at the time they first fought in 2002 and hadn't lost since 1998. I will concede that he won the first fight but that's not the issue.
Diego Corrales had a spotless record. It was 6 year ago. It was a dominant performance amongst dominant performances. Since when do we pick apart fights on the basis of how long ago they occurred? Do we suddenly believe that Corrales would stand a chance today?
Don't talk to me about Hatton & Cotto. Talk about two guys with puffed up records. I'm not saying they're nothing but Hatton has 42 wins at 28 years old, suspect on the basis that he's had so many at such a young age. Talk about a record filled with nobodies. You say how Mayweather has ducked this person and that person, 90% of Hatton's resume is comprised of no one you'd ever care to know about. And the same for Cotto. He has been cottled until recent years. Until Carlos Quintana, Miguel Cotto was never put in the ring against anyone his camp legitimately thought had a chance against him and that includes Ricardo Torres. Torres was a whole lot more successful than they intended and guess what? After Cotto beat him they gave Torres a wide berth. Because a Torres who was fully prepared may have been able to put a blemish on Cotto's record.
Both Hatton and Cotto were in attendance at the Gatti-Mayweather bout. No doubt to commentate on PBF's performance, but moreso to get people talking about a potential match-up between them and Mayweather. After the Gatti stomping both of them disappeared. You heard NO commentary from them regarding a fight with PBF. And with good cause, neither man was ready and both were similar enough to Gatti (by how much slower they are and plodding) that they pretty much were looking at the blueprint to their first respective losses.
Well with Sosa & Corley sounds like Cotto's been trash eating himself :lickish: from Floyds conquests ;D I know you like Cotto and you hate Floyd..
But I think its funny that when Cotto has excuses for not Ko'ing Malignaggi and Urkal like the Flu and Broken hand he is venerated like a Martyr but if Floyd gets hurt he is a pussy and just sucks....
How is Cotto gonna KTFO Mayweather when he couldnt stop Malignaggi and Urkal??(Throwing in the towel for a perceived shafting dosent count either as a legitimate TKO )
Cotto did fracture his hand and was in cast. Floyd CLAIMS that he hurt his hand but did not even go see a nurse or a doctor. Floyd was afraid to mix it up with Baldomir.Quote:
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Floyd went to a party right after his little biatch fest with the media.
Damn CRYBABY
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Nothing wrong with his hand. He claims he lost his knuckle. I can see his knuckle. I would believe him if he said he lost his nuts. I think Tony Margarito has ownership of Floyd's testis.
Percieved shafting? You gonna tell me that Urkal was not headbutting?
You Floyd Fan boys are just as bad as Floyd. Full of lies. It would be as rediculous as me saying that Zab Judah did not low blow Floyd Gayweather.
Honestly, Urkal should have been deducted points way before the ref got tired of his BATORAMING.
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Came in dressed like Russell Crowe but fought wearing pink panties and pink gloves like Sheryl Crow.
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The man he was afraid to mix it up with.
So old, he needs help to go to the bathroom.
Carlos Oldamir
i have the gatti vs mayweather fight on tape and heard plenty of comentary from both hatton and the preacher man. hatton vs tszyu, cotto vs abduliev , mayweather vs gatti and vivian harris vs mauser were all fights at 140 that happened pretty much back to back over a few weeks.Quote:
Originally Posted by liquid
if i recolect correctly with regard to harris vs mauser hatton said something like 'vivian obviously underestimated mauser because of his poor preperation to the fight and he paid the price by getting knocked out' with regard to cotto vs abduliev hatton quoted something like ' with all of the other champions at 140 lb's fighting in the same week this was a real opportuunity for cotto to show case his talent and make a bit of a statement, but instead he showed no real urgency about his work and eventually disposed of abduliev about 4 rounds to late'. hatton then went on to say that if cotto was gonna continue to fight like that then a fight between the two would be right up ricky's street.
hatton was ringside at the gatti vs mayweather bout and was on live feed to ian darke and jim watt and co with sky and his coments were simply that ' mayweather looked awesome, demonstrated every shot in the book and was very fast,' that was pretty much all he said and then billy graham in the studio and the rest comented on how gatti did pretty much everything wrong. like when he turned to complain to the ref about the punches on the back of his head and then mayweather just caught hiim with a left hook when he wasnt looking. also that gatti wasnt throwing anything and was just standing in range with his legs way too far apart and just getting hit.
so there was comentary mr liquid and i very much doubt that hatton or cotto would keep their mouths shut and retract with fear just because they had witnessed that fight.
You should really consider his offer Danny, you two are made for each other. Please do us all a favour and whisk him off to some far away country without internet access, you'll both be much happier I'm sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by Swashbuckling Gordy
:lol: Nah man I didnt say he was butting I was regarding his corner feeling like they were getting shafted for all the point deductions and thats why they threw in the towel...Quote:
Originally Posted by Danny_G
I like Cotto alot but he still needs to be tested against good comp......Cotto dosent even have an opponent as good as Gatti on his resume let alone Baldomir, Castillo, Coralles. etc Judah will be the 1st legitimate test...
I hope he KO'S judah so bad... Cotto is on his way though no doubt
You know, I read through this twice and I still don't see anything disputing anything I wrote. I'll repeat: after PBF dismantled Gatti you heard nothing from Hatton or Cotto regarding them stepping into the ring with him. And if PBF is such a ducker how come these two managed to avoid one another as well?Quote:
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I might not agree with your POV but I have to give you a cool click on the Baldomir photoshop. And PBF wore the pink gloves in support of breast cancer research if I'm not mistaken.Quote:
Originally Posted by Danny_G
You want a "classic" PBF fight?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kel
Look at the Corrales fight, that was as close to perfect as I have ever seen.
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Let's compare these fights with Cotto then
Urkal: Kostya Tszyu leftover beaten twice by Vivian Harris and knocked out in one and Cotto couldn't put a dent in him.
Carlos Quintana: Only claim to fame was outboxing the overrated Joel Julio who got dropped and nearly beaten by this fighter called Rivera who Zab Judah(whom you say isn't much of a fighter in the above post) knocked down with the first left hand he threw. So I guess Quintana isn't as good as made out to be but he still gave Cotto issues until the knockout(which I applaud Cotto for)
Paul Malignaggi: Good fighter, big heart, but no power and still won some rounds from Cotto, oh yeah I remember the reasons, Cotto suffered a "boxers injury" and couldn't knock out Malignaggi right? But Cotto could still throw his punches, and yet Mayweather hurts his hand but still throws punches but you accuse him of lying about it cause he was holding a cup. So I guess holding a cup is more painful then throwing and landing a punch right?
Muhammad Abdolaev: Never the same not did he have the same confidence or desire since losing to Emanuel Clottey....by knockout.. so who is he really? His only claim is that he beat Cotto in the amateurs and that means what?
DeMarcus Corley: Zab Judah dropped him, Floyd Mayweather dominated him and then Cotto has trouble, is nearly stopped and then stops Corley on a BS biased ref call who didn't notice any low blow Cotto was throwing that night. You talk about leftovers, well Corley was Zab(who aint much of a fighter to you) and Floyd(who you say has no balls and degrade him every chance you get)'s leftovers and of the three, he had the most trouble with him didn't he? Your fighter Cotto :)
Ricardo Torres: Nobody had ever heard of him*very similar to a Phillip Ndou" who came in with with an inflated record knocking out bums brought in to lose with an inflated record. The difference is that Mayweather stopped Ndou, and Torres came nearly close to stopping Cotto, and when he stepped in against Mike Arnaoutis he got exposed and beaten(Mike was robbed) and showed he wasn't much of anything and yet Cotto had to go life or death against him.
Kelson Pinto: Overrated fighter who's only claim to fame was knocking out bums, dropping out of a Ricky Hatton fight and beating Cotto in the amateurs. If he gets outhustled my emanuel freaking augustus and is breathing hard about to pass out at the end then Cotto is going to smash him. And again, what was Kelson Pinto known for other then beating Cotto in the amateurs? And what had he done to even deserve a shot at that "vacant" world title opportunity???
Randall Bailey: ..... I don't think I need to say anything further
Can you give me a real few names that actually went on to become something after Cotto fought them ??? While Mayweather has Chavez, Castillo, Corrales, and Hernandez on his record. Who does Cotto have? he has Paul Malignaggi who MIGHT become something. But everyone else was either inflated or on their way out the door.
So you can take that with your Mayweather hate :) And you see no accusation more or less legit then yours. But you can defend it with jokes if you want, or by saying stuff like "Thats because Cotto ruined them as fighters they weren't the same like Tito Trinidad" or something like that, thats the only time I'm responding in this way to you, since I know you do it to bait Floyd fans or whichever fans. But I'm talking to you from a fan of someone who watches boxing and looks at the careers not a biased Floyd fan or whatever fan just calling you an idiot and saying you don't know boxing, I'm responding to you in a respectable and debating way, so take that with you :)
And good luck to your friend Miguel Cotto in his next fight :)
Nice post....and DannyG you said"Floyd has yet to fight any Sugar Rays, Haglers, Hearns or Durans"and you think Cotto is along the lines of any of those...Spoken like a true larry merchantQuote:
Originally Posted by Majesty
CC Majesty, but arguing with Danny G about Mayweather is not going to get you anywhere no matter how sound your arguement. Im awaiting the great photoshop rendition Danny G will respond with insinuating your being a baby or nut hugger.. He isn't a boxing fan, I really wouldn't bother.
well mate i'm disputing it because you are implying that after watching mayweather batter gatti, hatton kept his mouth shut about stepping into the ring with mayweather because he was scared or whatever reason. i'm telling you know that thats bullshit. if you are aware of hatton you will know that he is not a big talker and tends to let his fights speak for themselves. it isnt his way to call out or disrespect fighters and he has also stated many times that he would love to fight mayweather.Quote:
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Excuse me?Quote:
Originally Posted by Majesty
Cotto is only 26
Floyd at 26 had his first fight with Diego Corrales.
Cotto's time is coming...
I dont think Mayweather is as good as Leonard or Robinson but he is definitely better than Cotto. I am looking forward to seeing how Miguel deals with Zab Judah this summer, seeing as that fight goes as scheduled. I think Zab will beat him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Swashbuckling Gordy
Umm no it's not. but nice try though.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahn
gatti and ward are the definition of exciting but average fighters. thats whay i never got why after the PBF gatti fight why people decided to hop on the bandwagon. PBF beating gatti was a given.
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PBF was younger than 26 when he fought corrales
Mayweather was 23 when he fought Corrales.Quote:
Originally Posted by Danny_G
thank you. these cotto fans are getting out of hand.
Mayweather hasn't fought a good fighter at Lightwelter or Welter and now the jump to Lightmiddle ?
I think what a lot of people are saying is Floyd has managed his career a little too much .
The fights with Hatton , Magarito and Cotto should have happened .
Id fancy FLoyd Heavily in all but has he backed up his big words ?
Judah ,Gatti ,Baldomir , Mittchell ,Corley and Bailey were all washed up .
Hernadez and Corrales was at superfeather , Castillio was at lightweight .
Has Mayweather fought a hot puncher above these weights ?
corely wasn't washed up when he damn there knocked cottos block off
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Originally Posted by Danny_G
u did good until u said cotto for life .... how bout we see ur man cotto fight floyd and see how bad mayweather really is
I dont think ne thing is gonna solve this argument it just down to wot u like in a fighter so comparing records isnt gonna solve this. i like hatton whos an agressive figher that goes forward but holds to much or theres mayweather a safety first fighter that runs to much or theres cotto an agressive fighter that goes forward. Nd to be honest although ive been a hatton fan for quite a while i probably like watching cotto the mostnd mayweather the least as i like to see boxers trade nd go to war aswell as box but i do understand that other people do like mayweather style but to most they dont see a great defence nd amazing speed nd ability they c someone who runs nd hit like a pussy.Nd also floyds personality doesnt help him in the slightest as he abuses legends of the sport nd doesnt stand by wot he says or theres hatton who is a gentleman of the sport with respect for the legends of the sport nd as far as i no cotto is a nice humble person.Nd that is why i think so many people dont like floyd. Also i think floyd has fort the best oppostion nd think he will beat cotto but if floyd nd ricky fight ricky will win. (i hope)
Mayweather would pretty much humiliate Cotto...& I'm a huge Cotto fan. I'm also a big fan of Floyd...& his abilities should never be discounted.Quote:
Originally Posted by the phenom
As much trouble as Corley gave him & the fact that several fighters of late have hurt him...badly I might add...I would lean towards Mayweather humiliating Cotto. The thing about Miguel is that he boxes silly now...he fights instead of using his head.
Cotto's got some hellacious power though...so I'd have to say that stranger things have happened if I were wrong.
Comparing apples to apples in their records is a bit on the silly side. Floyd has accomplished more & has never had issues with any of the mutual opponents that they have faced...so as proud of your arguement as you are Danny...it aint gonna wash.
Good try though.
...and I believe what you meant to say above (instead of Cotto for life) was "I wanna be Cotto's man-wife."
Heh heh heh. ;)
I am glad you mentioned how hurt he was specially vs Corley but I just finished making a video which exposes Floyd vs Corley.Quote:
Originally Posted by wacko3205
The video is called Defensive Messiah?
Floyd is a joke. Sugar Ray Leonard would have humiliated this clown.
To be honest.
Corley should have finished Cotto off and he could have also finished Floyd off too.
DeMarcus was given a break with the so called low blow and he milked it. Cotto would have finished Chop-Chop off in the 2nd round.
Chop-Chop had Floyd hurt twice and he also failed to polish him off.
Corley is pretty good and I think either his power is under rated or people take him lightly?
I think both. His problem is that he does not know how to close the deal.
He has the sales pitch down but he hardly ever asks for the sale or just chokes.
The video will be posted just as soon as YouTube is done processing it.
I have a very funny feeling your lover man or lover boy Floyd is going to take a whoopin' come may 5th.
Stay tuned..
Against Judah, we will see lot's of new changes in Cotto's style. Judah has no clue what is coming. He thinks he knows and he can watch all the footage he want's. I will even make him a video ;D He has no idea what he is in for and neither does Floyd come May 5th. :lickish:
Floyd is going to get chased back down to 140 and he will face Ricky Hatton :o
Then just maybe (if he can get past Ricky) he comes to 147 and plays with Cotto, Mosley, Margarito and Williams because Floyd belongs in the 147 because that is where the great ones hang out.
;D
BTW. I will take Cotto's power over Floyd's any day of the week. We already seen how Floyd got hurt by Corley. Floyd don't have any power @147 or above. The only thing Floyd could do to Cotto is hit and run like a little woman. (Like an annoying fly just beggin' to get swatted) Remember Cotto was destroying Corley and it took him only 5 rounds. Floyd had to go 12. Floyd can't phuk at 147 and he is going to go limp @ 154.
What amuses the majority of most of us is the fact that you struggle STRUGGLE to get your points accross regarding Floyd's trials & tribulations...& there are very few if any of merit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Danny_G
Cotto has been hammered, downed, & almost out. Also...against Corley...Cotto needed the ref to win...Floyd only needed his fists & to say that Corley had Floyd so hurt...shows that you are REALLY REALLY reaching.
Getting caught once in a little flurry & getting battered from pillar to post is a big difference. I'm a Cotto fan...but I'm a boxing fan first & I was scared shitless that Cotto was about to get blasted out by Chop Chop.
Not the same for the Floyd match.
Try not to make these weak biased comparisons anymore. Cotto's a good boxer...but he aint the smartest in the world when it comes to a gameplan.
Too bad you can't say that about Floyd.
Also...no matter how many heads you crop or how many videos you put into slo-mo...nothing will change the fact that Floyd's the better boxer.
You'll just have to face that fact...every morning that you wake up clenching your pillow.
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
cc wacko good points thas what i was sayin mayweather would really kill cotto styles make fights and yeah mayweather found him a lil akward so what he beat his ass cotto got rocked and his chin is horrible mayweather will kill him ..... and u know what danny i love cotto but mayweather will kill him imo
and heel beat delahoya waht will u say then ill remeber this convo and giv u a cc later jus so u dont feel bad and watch wat judah does to our boy cotto
:coolclick: right back. Thanks babe.Quote:
Originally Posted by the phenom
Speaking of Floyd beating Oscar...you know...I just can't decide. I can't wait though...I'm just a few rows back from the ring...so I can tell you this...it damn well better be a fight...I'll be totally disappointed if it get's stopped or ends up being a shitty decision.