Miranda on middleweights!
Boxing has always been a tough business. It’s even tougher when those who claim to be ‘champions’ continue to run from real challenges in search of easy paydays that keep deserving contenders from getting their opportunity to shine. People’s middleweight champion Edison Miranda is not shy about discussing this topic.
“The middleweight division always had proud champions willing to fight everyone, like Marvin Hagler, Carlos Monzon, and Sugar Ray Robinson,” said Miranda. “Now we’re stuck with paper champions like Jermain Taylor and Arthur Abraham, who are disgracing this division.”
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Re: Miranda on middleweights!
Ha! he got a good dig on Taylor. If Taylor doesnt man up soon to fight Miranda, he is gonna take a lot of crap. I dont understand the Spinks matchup, Spinks cant even knockout light middleweights. Hopefully Miranda does well in his next fight and forces Taylor to take notice.The Green fight wasnt as impressive as I was hoping. I hope if he does win the title he keeps his word.
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Im shocked the IBF aint forced AA to fight him yet coz those fucks love the money, and after how close it was he should get another shot, Taylor to, this THIRD light middle in a row is becomg a joke. Fair enough Winky was P4P moving up, big name, big money hell it was a fight i wanted to see, the ouma, ok they needed a recognisable name to fight Taylor in arkawnsau(sp?) and he was picked for taylor to KO; but come on, first it was moura but now spinks? this is getting a lil silly, taylor doesn;t even seem interested in calling out miranda, or AA - I have given hopkins alot of shit, he did unify and beat basicaly everyone out there who wanted a shot at MW, sure they weren;t that great or to much of a threat but he did reign well at MW.
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Taylor sure is taking a lot of heat. He has taken heat ever since his controversial win against B-Hop but now it's getting worse. Don't get me started. lol But it's hard to hate on JT. I don't know why.
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Originally Posted by No Contest
Ha! he got a good dig on Taylor. If Taylor doesnt man up soon to fight Miranda, he is gonna take a lot of crap. I dont understand the Spinks matchup, Spinks cant even knockout light middleweights. Hopefully Miranda does well in his next fight and forces Taylor to take notice.The Green fight wasnt as impressive as I was hoping. I hope if he does win the title he keeps his word.
Well it's hard to fight an unwilling opponent...
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The part that is funny to me, is that Jermain Taylor used to talk alot more, I havent heard anything out of his mouth. I would like to see someone ask him his view on a Miranda fight.He used to talk alot of crap back in the Hopkins fights. Seems like he has taken a break from trash talking.
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Originally Posted by No Contest
The part that is funny to me, is that Jermain Taylor used to talk alot more, I havent heard anything out of his mouth. I would like to see someone ask him his view on a Miranda fight.He used to talk alot of crap back in the Hopkins fights. Seems like he has taken a break from trash talking.
The reason he even opened his mouth was because Hopkins never gave him his respect even after he beat him.
I wouldn't criticize JTs competition cause it's much better than the so called p4p #1 guy in most peoples minds. He actually forced his team to get him in with great competition without breaks. Not too many guys that are on top of their division can say that. Dibella wanted him to take an easy fight and he chooses Winky instead.
I'm actually a Pantera fan but I'm not going to criticize JT for the fights he's taken. Spinks is no slouch BTW.
That being said, if he doesn't KO Spinks after Lil Zab was able to do it, there will be some questions about his recent commitment to being the best.
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I used to be a huge fan of Taylor Stuh-stuh-stuttering Stuh-stuh-stanly...that being said...I agree with Miranda.
Also...I would laugh my ass off if Spinks beat him...that'd be something for Corrie to cry about.
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
I used to be a huge fan of Taylor Stuh-stuh-stuttering Stuh-stuh-stanly...that being said...I agree with Miranda.
Also...I would laugh my ass off if Spinks beat him...that'd be something for Corrie to cry about.
But the ring would become an ocean...
And it would be funny, got to give credit to Spinks though, he'll still be 154 pound champ after this though, just hope he don't get ruined.
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I don't know why he's talkin shit about AA, he gave him hist shot, he lost, was hella close but he still lost it. Also aren't they supposed to rematch sometime this summer, at least that's what I thought I read somewhere, maybe I'm wrong. Jeah I don't know it's hard for me to hate on jt for his comp, he fought 2 greats in hopkins and winky, which I think he's 2-1 in those but he still fought em. Shit I like joe cal and he's not exactly fighting top comp for the last few years, I'ma wait a few more fights before I start trashing jt for his comp. Although it is frustrating but like I said this really is only his second fight after fighting b hop and winky back to back...
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I just don't get how people can criticize Taylor's willingness to fight the top guys. I know I've already argued this in other threads, and I don't mean to sound like a broken record, but it just blows my mind the criticism Taylor is getting. If you want to criticize his performances, that's fine... but his level of competition? Give me a break.
He fought Bernard Hopkins (who had been undefeated for 12 years) twice in a row.
After those two wins, everyone expected Taylor to take an easy fight to get some rest and get an easy title defense. Instead, he chose to fight Winky Wright, the #2 PFP fighter in the world. And for anyone who wants to jump in and say "But Winky isn't a true middleweight!!"...... I challenge you to name a fighter at 160 who would be a tougher opponent than Winky.
Then after fighting Winky, everyone expects that this time Taylor will definitely pick an extremely easy opponent to get an easy fight. And instead he takes on Ouma. Sure, Ouma was undersized, but he is hardly a stiff and could easily be a champ at 154. He is not a pushover by any stretch of the imagination.
There have been 2 or 3 opportunities for Taylor to fight a Henry Bruseles/Tim Austin type of stiff, in other words, some completely incompetent mandatory... and he hasn't done it.
Who the hell is Edison Miranda to think that someone is ducking him? Did anyone even know who he was a year ago? I might have to start calling Miranda the "Colombian Margarito."
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Originally Posted by SweetPea
Who the hell is Edison Miranda to think that someone is ducking him? Did anyone even know who he was a year ago?
Many of you may not have. But in the last year he fought Eastman, Abraham, Gibbs, Green and soon Pavlik. Guys that are all true middleweight (or more) with a combined record of 134-4 with 111 KO's (82% rate) and he arguably defeated them all.
And even if you take the Abraham side as a win, he still gets huge credit for going to Germany and doing what he did there.
He sent Eastman, Abraham and Gibbs all to the hospital.
Now, you think maybe Dibella is trying to keep his cash cow away from Miranda?
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Originally Posted by Pantera
Now, you think maybe Dibella is trying to keep his cash cow away from Miranda?
Why would he be afraid of Miranda? He threw his cash cow into the ring with Winky immediately after the Hopkins fights. And Winky Wright is a much much much more accomplished fighter than Edison Miranda. If Wright and Miranda were scheduled to fight, you better believe that Wright would be a significant favorite.
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Originally Posted by SweetPea
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Originally Posted by Pantera
Now, you think maybe Dibella is trying to keep his cash cow away from Miranda?
Why would he be afraid of Miranda? He threw his cash cow into the ring with Winky immediately after the Hopkins fights. And Winky Wright is a much much much more accomplished fighter than Edison Miranda. If Wright and Miranda were scheduled to fight, you better believe that Wright would be a significant favorite.
Winky makes you look bad and causes you to lose credibility....Miranda makes you feel bad and causes you to lose control of you bowels...
See the difference :D
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All kidding aside though...
No one is in a rush at the moment to fight Miranda....If Pavlik does damage to him then he will be exposed but if he disposes of Kelly IMO and I say this with confidence Miranda will be a ducked fighter...If for anything the fact he seems to be so F'N tough
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Originally Posted by DaxxKahn
Winky makes you look bad and causes you to lose credibility....Miranda makes you feel bad and causes you to lose control of you bowels...
See the difference :D
I know you're half-joking here, but I think there are a lot of people who really think that Miranda is this terrifying type of fighter.
What did he do in the Green fight that would terrify opponents? That fight was boring as hell for the first 7 rounds, with neither guy doing anything.
Miranda got knocked down by Green, so obviously he's not indestructable. Yes, he recovered and hurt Green badly in the 10th, but it's not like he scored some devestating KO victory.
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Originally Posted by SweetPea
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Originally Posted by DaxxKahn
Winky makes you look bad and causes you to lose credibility....Miranda makes you feel bad and causes you to lose control of you bowels...
See the difference :D
I know you're half-joking here, but I think there are a lot of people who really think that Miranda is this terrifying type of fighter.
What did he do in the Green fight that would terrify opponents? That fight was boring as hell for the first 7 rounds, with neither guy doing anything.
Miranda got knocked down by Green, so obviously he's not indestructable. Yes, he recovered and hurt Green badly in the 10th, but it's not like he scored some devestating KO victory.
No and I agree I never said he was indestructable....No one really wants to take the chance though.....As for the Green knockdown IMO that was more of a flash knockdown that caught Miranda out of no where.....
Again Green was not a willing guy was he?....He talked a lot of S*** before the fight but we alll know what happens in situations like that./...
Talk and courage are all good until you actually feel for yourself what the hoopla is about....
Miranda is a work is progress...I have said in other threads he is IMO a small version of Sam Peter...
His offense is scary....If his defense would improve then you have a monstor in action...
Peter is improving with every fight....Both are young guys....
Only time will tell though
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Miranda is more flavor-of-the-month than legit elite at this point. That's not saying he can't make trouble in the top ten, but he's virtually coming from nowhere and people are ready to hand him a title.
How many times have we seen fighters do a smash-and-grab in whatever division? Remember Dominick Guinn? He was great! Hard chin, decent defense and stamina, good power. He smacked the crap out of Duncan Dokiwari and people were ready to throw him up on a cross. Then came Monte Barrett.
Let Miranda age a little. I'm not saying he can't be great or that he doesn't have anything, but to say he deserves to be shot straight to the top is ridiculous; he doesn't. Remember, he lost to Arthur Abraham. Losing is typically a setback. And putting Miranda next to Taylor is an insult to all the other guys who have legitimately worked to get up there.
Say what you want about Winky Wright being a light middle; at the time of the weigh in he was 1591/4 pounds. That's called a middleweight. And he was no walk-thru for Taylor, I had him winning the fight as a matter of fact. Kassim Ouma was Taylor's first "break" if you insist on calling it that in about a year and a half since becoming champ.
How is Winky Wright ranked #4 when he drew with JT? Do you seriously believe Kelly Pavlik and Miranda deserve to be ranked ahead of him? Other than Bronco McKart who is on his resume? But he's ahead of WW? And Miranda who lost 2 fights ago is ahead of WW? Khoren Gevor's resume is filled with people you've never heard of and he's #3 (I'm looking at the WBC's rankings).
