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Old Timers HW comeback -who is most legit?
I think they are all legit. Tommy the weakest. Corrie the strongest.
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I think Corrie and Mccall still have a place in the HW picture, obviously not in the top of it but they have a place. IMO Holyfield and Morrison should retire before they get seriously hurt.
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Don't really know about Sanders or McCall at this point... Havent seen either of them fight for so long. Either of them vs Holyfield would help to clear up the picture though... Although I do worry Evander could get hurt against a big puncher still.. Morrison, definetly has no place in a ring.
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Don't really know about Sanders or McCall at this point... Havent seen either of them fight for so long. Either of them vs Holyfield would help to clear up the picture though... Although I do worry Evander could get hurt against a big puncher still.. Morrison, definetly has no place in a ring.
true. I favour Corrie because he is improvable, and the punch is the last thing to go.
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Oliver McCall is a big secret...His only problem is age...The guy hits hard and takes a hell of a shot....Believe me no one is in a rush to fight the old man he can make an up and coming guy look bad....Holy may have one last stride towards the top but he will not get there...Truth is no one on the list will wear a world title
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I think Mcall has deserved a title shot a few times since the 2nd Lennox fight especially after the Akinwande ko win
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I think Mcall has deserved a title shot a few times since the 2nd Lennox fight especially after the Akinwande ko win
I think that they are all ranked too low if the rank is for skill and dangerousness. E.g. Corrie Sanders beat WK and went 8 rounds against Vitali one a couple of years ago! McCall is dangerous too.
Close to a TITLE? I think Holyfield might get a shot because of his legacy. However, unfortunately Klitschkos are to tall. But if Chagaev wins over Valuev, then he has a man of the right size.
Corrie Sanders may get a rematch against Wlad, but I dont think its likely that Wlad would want to meet Sanders. Wlad has deveoped but not in a way that makes able to take a southpaw power puncher. Wlad will never be ready for Sanders.
I think Corries chance is to meet someone in a qualification fight. WHY DO FIGHTERS FIGHT ONCE A YEAR? Why not every 2 or 3 months?
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I think Mcall has deserved a title shot a few times since the 2nd Lennox fight especially after the Akinwande ko win
I think that they are all ranked too low if the rank is for skill and dangerousness. E.g. Corrie Sanders beat WK and went 8 rounds against Vitali one a couple of years ago! McCall is dangerous too.
Close to a TITLE? I think Holyfield might get a shot because of his legacy. However, unfortunately Klitschkos are to tall. But if Chagaev wins over Valuev, then he has a man of the right size.
Corrie Sanders may get a rematch against Wlad, but I dont think its likely that Wlad would want to meet Sanders. Wlad has deveoped but not in a way that makes able to take a southpaw power puncher. Wlad will never be ready for Sanders.
I think Corries chance is to meet someone in a qualification fight. WHY DO FIGHTERS FIGHT ONCE A YEAR? Why not every 2 or 3 months?
He beat Wlad ages ago and he had his chance vs Vitali and got one sided beating Corrie is finished as world title challenger and Wlad would beat Sanders at this point in both of there Careers and i voted for Holyfield
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I think Mcall has deserved a title shot a few times since the 2nd Lennox fight especially after the Akinwande ko win
I think that they are all ranked too low if the rank is for skill and dangerousness. E.g. Corrie Sanders beat WK and went 8 rounds against Vitali one a couple of years ago! McCall is dangerous too.
Close to a TITLE? I think Holyfield might get a shot because of his legacy. However, unfortunately Klitschkos are to tall. But if Chagaev wins over Valuev, then he has a man of the right size.
Corrie Sanders may get a rematch against Wlad, but I dont think its likely that Wlad would want to meet Sanders. Wlad has deveoped but not in a way that makes able to take a southpaw power puncher. Wlad will never be ready for Sanders.
I think Corries chance is to meet someone in a qualification fight. WHY DO FIGHTERS FIGHT ONCE A YEAR? Why not every 2 or 3 months?
He beat Wlad ages ago and he had his chance vs Vitali and got one sided beating Corrie is finished as world title challenger and Wlad would beat Sanders at this point in both of there Careers and i voted for Holyfield
I disagree, nothing in Wlads development makes him sufficiently prepared for Sanders. Sanders can beat Chagaev, Valuev, Briggs (easily), Sam Peter and the rest. I just think they are scared of him.
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It's got to be Holyfield, Sanders will never get a shot because of his lack of a legacy or any marketability, despite probably being the most talented fighter out of the 4. Morrison needs to retire before he gets mangled and embarresed. McCall was never anything great in his prime. After all the guys crowning acheivement was getting lucky against Lewis. 'Vander will get a shot and I think he will win against anyone apart from Wlad and Sam Peter.
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Originally Posted by tysonbruno
I think Mcall has deserved a title shot a few times since the 2nd Lennox fight especially after the Akinwande ko win
I think that they are all ranked too low if the rank is for skill and dangerousness. E.g. Corrie Sanders beat WK and went 8 rounds against Vitali one a couple of years ago! McCall is dangerous too.
Close to a TITLE? I think Holyfield might get a shot because of his legacy. However, unfortunately Klitschkos are to tall. But if Chagaev wins over Valuev, then he has a man of the right size.
"One sided beating" not at all; if Wlad had been hit w these punches he would have been done. Vitali is shaken several times!!!!!!!!!!!!! Corrie rules.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPU6ZYmPF3o&NR
Corrie Sanders may get a rematch against Wlad, but I dont think its likely that Wlad would want to meet Sanders. Wlad has deveoped but not in a way that makes able to take a southpaw power puncher. Wlad will never be ready for Sanders.
I think Corries chance is to meet someone in a qualification fight. WHY DO FIGHTERS FIGHT ONCE A YEAR? Why not every 2 or 3 months?
He beat Wlad ages ago and he had his chance vs Vitali and got one sided beating Corrie is finished as world title challenger and Wlad would beat Sanders at this point in both of there Careers and i voted for Holyfield
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Originally Posted by plinden
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Originally Posted by tysonbruno
I think Mcall has deserved a title shot a few times since the 2nd Lennox fight especially after the Akinwande ko win
I think that they are all ranked too low if the rank is for skill and dangerousness. E.g. Corrie Sanders beat WK and went 8 rounds against Vitali one a couple of years ago! McCall is dangerous too.
Close to a TITLE? I think Holyfield might get a shot because of his legacy. However, unfortunately Klitschkos are to tall. But if Chagaev wins over Valuev, then he has a man of the right size.
"One sided beating" not at all; if Wlad had been hit w these punches he would have been done. Vitali is shaken several times!!!!!!!!!!!!! Corrie rules.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPU6ZYmPF3o&NR
Corrie Sanders may get a rematch against Wlad, but I dont think its likely that Wlad would want to meet Sanders. Wlad has deveoped but not in a way that makes able to take a southpaw power puncher. Wlad will never be ready for Sanders.
I think Corries chance is to meet someone in a qualification fight. WHY DO FIGHTERS FIGHT ONCE A YEAR? Why not every 2 or 3 months?
He beat Wlad ages ago and he had his chance vs Vitali and got one sided beating Corrie is finished as world title challenger and Wlad would beat Sanders at this point in both of there Careers and i voted for Holyfield
it was pretty much one sided beating he had ok first round ok 2nd round but after that he was done just look at wikipedia
Sanders vacated the WBO title in December 2003 so that he could concentrate on a challenge for the vacant WBC belt. The fight took place on April 24 of 2004, against Wladimir's older brother, Vitali. He was stopped by Vitali in the eighth round of a one-sided fight at the Staples Center in Los Angeles. Sanders was considerably slower than the trim Klitschko and failed to land any significant blows throughout the fight.
and punchstats
Klitschko Sanders
Landed 230 51
Thrown 413 229
Pct. 56% 22%
Klitschko Sanders
Landed 171 42
Thrown 285 139
Pct. 60% 30%
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Originally Posted by plinden
I think they are all legit. Tommy the weakest. Corrie the strongest.
True, I'd say Corrie will go the farthest on his comeback trail. ;)
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I think they are all legit. Tommy the weakest. Corrie the strongest.
True, I'd say Corrie will go the farthest on his comeback trail. ;)
Only if that trail leads to the nearest golf course ;)
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It's got to be Holyfield, Sanders will never get a shot because of his lack of a legacy or any marketability, despite probably being the most talented fighter out of the 4. Morrison needs to retire before he gets mangled and embarresed. McCall was never anything great in his prime. After all the guys crowning acheivement was getting lucky against Lewis. 'Vander will get a shot and I think he will win against anyone apart from Wlad and Sam Peter.
No thats where you are wrong...McCall was a talent like none other he threw it away on drugs....If not for his habits he would have been a top fighter of his era
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I REALLY hope Holyfield does not get a shot against any of the top guys... somebody like a Klitchsko or Peter is going to hurt him bad, and no one wants to see that happen.
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cant beleive no one has mentioned david tua yet.
i have heard good things about 'the real deal' in his last couple of fights. but morrisons stamina seems to be shite right now.
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cant beleive no one has mentioned david tua yet.
i have heard good things about 'the real deal' in his last couple of fights. but morrisons stamina seems to be shite right now.
I didnt count Tua as an old timer. I intended around 40 to be oldtimer.
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I can't believe I'm the only one that voted for the Duke, He got 11 years ripped from him, Screw Sanders(Fat bum) & McCall(Delusional crackhead). Holyfield is legit. Morrison has gotten tested numerous times and came up negative.
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I can't believe I'm the only one that voted for the Duke, He got 11 years ripped from him, Screw Sanders(Fat bum) & McCall(Delusional crackhead). Holyfield is legit. Morrison has gotten tested numerous times and came up negative.
Don't get me wrong I would love to see Tommy go to the top,but his last 10 years have been long a hard.I hope the best for him.
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I think Corrie and Mccall still have a place in the HW picture, obviously not in the top of it but they have a place. IMO Holyfield and Morrison should retire before they get seriously hurt.
Holyfield would beat Sanders or McCall.
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I'm gonna come from left field and say Michael Moorer has the best chance out of the returning old heavyweights. His southpaw style will give him an edge over the clumsy, lesser experienced and ordinary bunch of today's heavyweights.
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I'm gonna come from left field and say Michael Moorer has the best chance out of the returning old heavyweights. His southpaw style will give him an edge over the clumsy, lesser experienced and ordinary bunch of today's heavyweights.
Moorer is mentally unstable, he will go nowhere.
Why is boxing managed so damn complicated? -WHAT IS SO HARD?- There are about serious HW 20 contenders, the above mentioned included.
a) Let each old timer meet a top 20 kid, to see if the old still has it, or if the kid is ready? If the kid wins, then its time to stop for the old timer, if the old timer wins, then its a learning experience for the young, and a move towards title for the oldtimer. BUt why cant this be arranged within 2 months from now? -ya I know, I know, but still I wish it were more like tennis.
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Bill it as REALITY CHECK pay per view
1. Holyfield vs. Ibragimov
2. Sanders vs. Virchis
Next event
1. Mccall vs Greenberg
2. Tommy vs Samil Sam
There you go! 4 people will be out of the mix (for a while) after that, and we can move further!
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Bill it as REALITY CHECK pay per view
1. Holyfield vs. Ibragimov
2. Sanders vs. Virchis
Next event
1. Mccall vs Greenberg
2. Tommy vs Samil Sam
There you go! 4 people will be out of the mix (for a while) after that, and we can move further!
I actually got intrigued by the match ups, who would win? I think its reasonably even matches.
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Tony Tubbs at the ripe age of 49...But really if Moorer is serious he can do it. Evander is still better than 95% and McCall can hit harder than most and can take a punch too. Morrison should not even be in the ring and Sanders was never a great fighter, just tough
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I hear that Holyfield -vs- Minto is close to being made for possible July or August. . that would be a nice exciting match for the fans if it comes to bare fruit . Also there are talks underway for Tua -vs- Cameron in June or July.. nice exciting matches coming into play soon at Heavyweight . O0
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Tony Tubbs at the ripe age of 49...But really if Moorer is serious he can do it. Evander is still better than 95% and McCall can hit harder than most and can take a punch too. Morrison should not even be in the ring and Sanders was never a great fighter, just tough
Sanders is just good enough to beat the top HW right now.
Was ahead in the Rahman fight, and fought Vitali for 8 rounds. Sure anyone can do that. I say that Sanders is the best HW apart from Vitali right now.
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Tony Tubbs at the ripe age of 49...But really if Moorer is serious he can do it. Evander is still better than 95% and McCall can hit harder than most and can take a punch too. Morrison should not even be in the ring and Sanders was never a great fighter, just tough
Sanders is just good enough to beat the top HW right now.
Was ahead in the Rahman fight, and fought Vitali for 8 rounds. Sure anyone can do that. I say that Sanders is the best HW apart from Vitali right now.
Rahman is often behind on the cards to any given opponent, and going 8 rounds with Vitali doesnt make you a world beater. The only very good fighter Sanders beat was Wlad.
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Tony Tubbs at the ripe age of 49...But really if Moorer is serious he can do it. Evander is still better than 95% and McCall can hit harder than most and can take a punch too. Morrison should not even be in the ring and Sanders was never a great fighter, just tough
Sanders is just good enough to beat the top HW right now.
Was ahead in the Rahman fight, and fought Vitali for 8 rounds. Sure anyone can do that. I say that Sanders is the best HW apart from Vitali right now.
Rahman is often behind on the cards to any given opponent, and going 8 rounds with Vitali doesnt make you a world beater. The only very good fighter Sanders beat was Wlad.
I would say that his fight against Michael Sprott he did very well.
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Tony Tubbs at the ripe age of 49...But really if Moorer is serious he can do it. Evander is still better than 95% and McCall can hit harder than most and can take a punch too. Morrison should not even be in the ring and Sanders was never a great fighter, just tough
Sanders is just good enough to beat the top HW right now.
Was ahead in the Rahman fight, and fought Vitali for 8 rounds. Sure anyone can do that. I say that Sanders is the best HW apart from Vitali right now.
Rahman is often behind on the cards to any given opponent, and going 8 rounds with Vitali doesnt make you a world beater. The only very good fighter Sanders beat was Wlad.
I would say that his fight against Michael Sprott he did very well.
And what does beating the journeyman Michael Sprott in 2001 or getting one sided beating off Vitali have to do with anything about his comeback he is well overweight and will get battered if he doesn't sort out his weight
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Tony Tubbs at the ripe age of 49...But really if Moorer is serious he can do it. Evander is still better than 95% and McCall can hit harder than most and can take a punch too. Morrison should not even be in the ring and Sanders was never a great fighter, just tough
Sanders is just good enough to beat the top HW right now.
Was ahead in the Rahman fight, and fought Vitali for 8 rounds. Sure anyone can do that. I say that Sanders is the best HW apart from Vitali right now.
Rahman is often behind on the cards to any given opponent, and going 8 rounds with Vitali doesnt make you a world beater. The only very good fighter Sanders beat was Wlad.
I would say that his fight against Michael Sprott he did very well.
And what does beating the journeyman Michael Sprott in 2001 or getting one sided beating off Vitali have to do with anything about his comeback he is well overweight and will get battered if he doesn't sort out his weight
He is like 6.4 and weighs like 250 walk around -not obese just 20p overweight. You are completely right. I he wants to efficience 225 is good - cause his power is speed.
