how would a match with kessler turn out? i think if lacy could pulloff a massive upset by bullying he big man. but i also think it is possible kessler would box his head off, but i do think lacy had a chance
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how would a match with kessler turn out? i think if lacy could pulloff a massive upset by bullying he big man. but i also think it is possible kessler would box his head off, but i do think lacy had a chance
opinons?
I take it you didn't see Lacys last fight against Tsypko....
Lacy started good in the early rounds but then wen't back to his old ways of just throwing bombs and completely ignoring his jab and his footwork....
Kessler blows him out even worst, I actually think Kess would stop Lacy about somewhere around rd. 7 or so....
Come on!Quote:
Originally Posted by oakleyno1
Kessler would dance around Lacy and beat him up worse than Calzaghe.
CC agreed. I don't think Lacy could handle those bombs Kessler was landing on Andrade from rounds 4-12, but Lacy would be definately hit as frequently.Quote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMicK
lacy did his rotarcuff in tho in round 2 didnt he? in his last fight
Kessler is a bad matchup for Lacy imo. I'm huge on Lacy but I don't like this one just because it's a bad style matchup, a guy with short powerful hooks isn't the guy to beat Kessler imo. I'm about as big of a Lacy fan as heir is and optimistic for his future but I'm also a realist. Kessler is making steps forward while Lacy is moving backwards right now. I don't think it's very easy to get inside on Kess and unless he could tag him while Kess moves straight back or after he throws a combo then he could have a shot I do suppose. But right now I don't like that matchup. 2 years ago I would have but not now. No way does Kess KO Lacy though.
I still think he could be a champion though, especially at 175.
-and what was his excuse against Omar, Williams, Grant, Calzaghe, Thompson and Vanderpool?Quote:
Originally Posted by oakleyno1
Lacy is simply not world class.
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Originally Posted by CutMeMicK
You forgot that Lacy hurt his left rotator cuff very badly(that will keep him out for a year now) after the second round right ???
http://www.boxingtimes.com/specials/...lacy_jeff.html
He'll be out for a year.
Even if he made that fight remotely close with his left arm useless thats pretty good in my opinion.
Kesslers chin hasn't really been tested yet. Lacy did manage to hit Joe once and Joe clearly winced.
For me its not as staright forward as "Lacy gets owned". Lacy might just knock Kessler out?
True.Quote:
Originally Posted by oakleyno1
He did, but if you notice in the 3rd and 4th rd. he was still occaisionally throwing his jab.... Towards the end he just compltely forgot about it credit to him for continuing fighting and wining thats what champions are made of.
See above...Quote:
Originally Posted by Majesty
Torn rotator cuff or not Lacy's stance and defensive style are made for Kessler's straight shots.Quote:
Originally Posted by Majesty
Could Lacy KO Kessler?...absolutely, anything is possible, but styles make fights and that being said
Kessler would be smackin Lacy around quite a bit.
If this fight ever happens I can see you having a signature redemption wager on your hands.
Why is it that most posters want Kessler to let his opponent hit him flush to watch if the guy has a chin or not. He has been boxing almost 40 fights and is double world-camp. I guess that answer the question. Kessler uses his footwork and arms as defence. He does not need to use his chin as Lacy or Andrade to defend himself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimboogie
Andrade Ko'ed Grant in one single round. Lacy struggled with him for twelfe rounds....
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Originally Posted by Elephant Beer
3 years after Lacy dropped him twice. And it isn't like Richard Grant got any better. And I wouldn't say Lacy struggled, if anything Grant did was he headbutted him that had his eye bloody the whole fight and Lacy still won that fight pretty easily. Whats your definition of struggled ??? Because if Lacy Grant was struggling then what was Mundine Kessler to you ???
;)
Kessler couldnt get rid of Dingaan Thobela, Bute did him in four. Bute went the distance with Tatevosyan, Froch did him in two. It means nothing.
I thought Lacy looked pretty good up until the injury and would have almost certainly taken Tsypko out in decent fashion.
That said I think Kesslers all round game is too tight for Lacy, he would have a punchers chance though.
Lacy got badly injured in that fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMicK
all the set backs for Lacy , its a real shame.. Jeff is a good guy. if Jeff can get over the rotator injury and work his way back to what he once was I think he would could beat Kessler via ate R stoppage.
Kessler is very good at spinning out once he throws his combinations. I like that a lot. Kessler is a good solid fighter , however he does make some crucial mistakes that a big accurate puncher can capitalize on . I think you got to punch with Kessler. not wait until after he fires ,disrupt Kessler with your own offense and get him to lead with his chin, on his rt hand lead , there are opportunities available , but not without risk. O0
I want to see Lacy v Andrade!!!! >:mad >:mad
i still think lacy will be a champ again. he needs to get back in the game though because people are startig to forget how good he has looked in the past and are no saying shite like he was overrated right from the start.
Who can Lacy beat though at Supermiddleweight to become champ ?? he can't beat Kessler or Calzaghe and i doubt he can beat any of champs at Lightheavyweight so who do you think he would beat to become champ because im struggling to find any champs at moment he could beatQuote:
Originally Posted by jbirdy
I think he would Handle Chad Dawson Quite Handily if he gets his Rotator cuff back in order... Chad has showed some vulnerability with his chin ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
He may as well retire ;D
All we can say with an type of certainty is that he is out of his depth with Calzaghe, We supect that might be the case with Kessler too. There are other options though, for instance I'd fancy a fit Geoff Lacy to beat Clinton Woods.
Well as it has been shown, BCD has shown vulnerability that is true.Quote:
Originally Posted by JT Rock
He lost that 1 round 10-8 and completely shut out Adamek who at that time was in the top 3 BEST Light Heavys. around.....
Lacy or for that matter any boxer cannot win a fight solely relying on power,
Naz vs. MAB, Gomez vs. Sanchez are 2 quick fights that spring to mind....
BCD is skilled and is only getting better, the knockdowns hes suffered hes recovered well dusted himself off and got right back in there to kicking ass....
I'll keep bringing 'Tito' up as he used to get dropped and or rocked in almost everyone of his early fights but he got up and weathered the storm....
Lacy needs to recover and heal his arm as best as possible a rotator cuff injury is a career ending injury.....
I like the Tito Analogy...The thing is, if Tito ever Knocked down Tito he wouldnt shake it off.. If you catch my drift... if and when Lacy drove a doubledecker left into BCD it aint gonna be no flash knockdown.. But who knows...
IF Lacy can recover from the Cuff injury he will be fine.. Seldom do Fighters like Jeff with his grit, heart, determination and chin disappear into obscurity.
I see, but BCD does shake off the kockdowns look at the Harding knockdown IMO he came back and possibly won the rest of the round.Quote:
Originally Posted by JT Rock
IF BCD can dance circles around Lacy the way he did to Adamek, Lacy won't have a chance....Quote:
Originally Posted by JT Rock
Catch my drift.... ;D
Too many IF's and But's.....
This I agree it took a lot from Lacy to continue to fight like that.....Quote:
Originally Posted by JT Rock
judging from his last 2 outings he wont beat kessler at the moment, and JC wont fight him again. but calzaghe has given up the IBF strap that he took from lacy and he wont be sticking around at 168 for too many years in the future anyway. if lacy gets back on his A game he could beat manfredo jr, mundaine, beyer, and bikka. all would put him back up in public opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
Mikkel Kessler is a good solid boxer HOWEVER I think his power is a tad overrated....he couldn't KO Mundine, he couldn't even drop Andrade and Mikkel hit him as hard as he could.
Jeff Lacy is a hard worker....he has really had some bad set backs and I think he's going to need time to really be 100% much less get another title shot. I think if Jeff did fight Kessler it would be a good fight and I can't pick one to win either way.
Kessler does do a lot of solid boxing and he has good power....not exceptional power and he does have SOME flaws.....and the power and flaws make Kessler and Lacy a lot alike but Jeff doesn't box very well, he works hard, he doesn't box well.
Chad Dawson is a good fighter, he's going to be good for a long time.
Maybe the flawed power puncher Andre Ward will prove to be a good match up in a few years for those fighters....I never have liked Andre's chin but if his defense and handspeed improve then he can go far.
Hes too one dimensional. But he kind of reminds me of a young Emile Griffith early in his career and he went on to be an all time great. But the difference to me is that Emile almost always fought the best and he had better skill and didnt throw as wide. It all depends on Lacy, but id study some of Griffith fights if i was him and fine tune his style and skill.
Ward is going to be a star. He's looking like a real prospect now. Seen every fight of his career and his last was his best. He had 7 months out of action because of a thumb injury but in that time he stayed in the gym and he really sured up his balance issues which made him look sloppy in times before. He was facing a very imposing fighter in Findley.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
He's always had a very nice jab, but he learned to throw the right hand over top and he was very accurate, throwing through the guard of Findley who was in a shell the entire time. He also showed the lead left hook which he punched off beautifully and even jabbed off the hook. Honestly, if it were televised a whole lot of opinions would have been changed on him.
Still, he has some work to do and I want to see how his weight situation plays itself out. He is getting bigger and bigger everytime I see him and he doesn't even lift weights. He says he's going to fight at 168 from here on out and said at the Olympics he was fighting above his weight when he won the gold at 177. Well now it looks like he will end up at 175 in the pro ranks. I don't envision to many problems though. He says he was weight drained for the Findley fight and came in at 165. He fights Thursday night he is coming in at 168. His opponent pulled out last minute which is disappointing since the guy he is facing now will probably just lay down for Ward. Oh well.
If Lacy were to move his head more and develop his jab and right cross then he'd be a complete fighter.
Kessler is a good boxer but I have a feeling if he mixes it up with the wrong power puncher he's going to lose.
Joe Calslappy ruined Lacy. If we're talking "prime" Lacy, Kessler would have a more difficult time than Slappy did (God would have a more difficult time) because he's not quite as nimble and more methodical. He'd be at a greater risk to get caught with a big punch. But I'd take him by a wide UD.
Come on guys dont start that Lacy thing again. Please open your eyes and dont try to find excuses for him all the time even you like the guy.
There has been so many signs that Lacy was not much of a world-beater, but it is as most people just closed their eyes as they hoped for a new US king in smw.
When you struggle against Omar, Thompson and other on that level then you simply are not a top dog. Remember what Beyer did to Omar a few months after Omar almost beat Lacy. That is a perspective....
Lacy does not have more power than Kessler as he is not very precise and he is not big and strong enough to bully Kessler around on the inside. Most important he lags the speed to dance with Kessler.
I would indeed like a fight between Lacy and Kessler in the US, but I dont think it would be a wise move for Lacy.
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Originally Posted by Elephant Beer
when u beat robin reid in 8 rounds knocking him down multiple times then that is a perspective...
In all honesty, i don't think Kessler will struggle boxing anyone who refuses to offer any head movement.
If an old Reid was his best win then it is a sad career and Lacy even needed another helpful ref to start the breakdown of Reid. Lacy's best win is Tsypko....at least the best paper win....Quote:
Originally Posted by oakleyno1
What do you consider Kesslers best win Elephant Bear?
up untill last wekk i honestly thought lacy would spark kessler out if they met! but i was very very impressed with what kessler done with andrade - Right now i would pick kessler to hit and move and keep lacy at bay BUT andrade wasn't really and up close boxer like lacy can be. I said it before, someone like lacy needs to be with a trainer like Roach, if he was with him then i think raoch would be able to iron out the flaws in jeff to alow him to get up close to kessler and really screw him up. I don't think kessler could handle a fighter like lacy who got in between his jab and started getting bombs off up close, he would confuse him and i think stop him. But right now iw ould have to pick kessler
Well I have seen most of Kesslers fights over the years. His hardest fight is against Andrade. And Kessler is stunned in the 11 round where Andrade catches him. He looks really shaken for a few seconds, but Andrade was way to tired to really follow up on the opportunity and in the end Kessler bangs away yet again.
The knockouts Kessler have are always combinations and he do have power in both hands, I have never seen anyone take that kind of beating as Andrade did. I hope he learns the noble of art of defense.
Lacy vs Kessler well I would like to see that ;D
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Originally Posted by Elephant Beer
Alright man, you take credit for Lacy and say he isnt anything and is no fighter and take merit from all his victories. Well Lacy was Calzaghe's biggest win! So I guess that makes Calzaghe just a nudge above Lacy who you consider not much of a fighter so then I guess Kessler just wants easy money to fight Calzaghe and if he won it isn't much cause he fougth Calzaghe because his biggest win was against Jeff Lacy who's an overrated bum right ??? ::**
-it starts to sound like when posters try to pump up Toney: IF Toney was in shape, IF Toney just hit harder, IF Toney was not fat and blah blah blah. Different from Toney Lacy is at least a great person, but Lacy was not and will never be a top dog.Quote:
Originally Posted by Preme
Hard to say when we dont no where Andrede will go from now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Memphis
Going to Oz and beat Mundine in his very first defence was a good win.