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What do you classify as "running" in a fight??
I have now seen quite a few fights where a guy is a "boxer" but he throws so little,I wonder is he really boxing?? So what do you define as a boxer and what is just running? Give examples if you can.
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Re: What do you classify as "running" in a fight??
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
I have now seen quite a few fights where a guy is a "boxer" but he throws so little,I wonder is he really boxing?? So what do you define as a boxer and what is just running? Give examples if you can.
I guarantee that people will disagree with me on this, but here goes.
When you are matching your opponent in shots thrown, or making an effort to outland your opponent you are boxing.
Examples of boxing
PBF vs. Baldomir and Rounds 1-10 Ban Rabah vs. Urango
When you are not throwing at the same level as your opponent you are "running"
Example of running
7th round - 12th round Baldomir vs. Judah.
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Re: What do you classify as "running" in a fight??
Oscar running in last 3 rounds against Tito and Green was pretty much running against Miranda.
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Leaving the Parish to avoid the punch
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Re: What do you classify as "running" in a fight??
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
Oscar running in last 3 rounds against Tito and Green was pretty much running against Miranda.
Definately Oscar's last 3 rounds. That is the textbook definition of running. I can't see someone running and still winning rounds, so that rules out Floyd-Baldomir as what 'running' is IMO.
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Watch Mormeck-Bell 2 the last 4 rounds, Mormeck was runnin, he would stop to potshot once in awhile, but was backpedalling most of those rounds.Classic example of how open scoring ruins fights.
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roy jones and mayweather are both runners, i've seen fights were roy's landed less the 10 punches round after round due to his running
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watch the 1st round of hopkins vs. hakkar
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Originally Posted by nuclear bull
roy jones and mayweather are both runners, i've seen fights were roy's landed less the 10 punches round after round due to his running
Snap! you aint lying. Roy Jones vs Tarver 1 & 3
You talk about two people afraid to let their freakin hands go.
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Ray Leonard ran from Duran in fight 2
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Commentator said Floyd could have finished Sosa in 3 if he did not do all that running.
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Re: What do you classify as "running" in a fight??
Homer Simson vs Buster Douglous ;D
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Watch pretty much any Cory Spinks fight, THAT is running. Leonard vs Hagler II is also running. Ben Rabah ran from Urango as far as I'm concerned. Running is when you are staying completely away from your opponent, not committing to any of your punches, and pretty much avoiding any kind of confrontation what so ever. Its trying to steal rounds by doing as little as possible, and avoiding being hit. It pisses me off.
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Originally Posted by killersheep
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
I have now seen quite a few fights where a guy is a "boxer" but he throws so little,I wonder is he really boxing?? So what do you define as a boxer and what is just running? Give examples if you can.
I guarantee that people will disagree with me on this, but here goes.
When you are matching your opponent in shots thrown, or making an effort to outland your opponent you are boxing.
Examples of boxing
PBF vs. Baldomir and Rounds 1-10 Ban Rabah vs. Urango
When you are not throwing at the same level as your opponent you are "running"
Example of running
7th round - 12th round Baldomir vs. Judah.
Hmmmm,interesting but if 1 guy is running,its going to be hard for the other to able to land ANYTHING on the runner,hence he will have landed less.
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Originally Posted by Scrap
Leaving the Parish to avoid the punch
Duuuuuude,one of your mystic nuggests of info...can anyone shed some light on this?
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Originally Posted by SweetPea
watch the 1st round of hopkins vs. hakkar
I've seen it but can't remember. Jog my memory please bro?
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Originally Posted by Hulk
Watch pretty much any Cory Spinks fight, THAT is running. Leonard vs Hagler II is also running. Ben Rabah ran from Urango as far as I'm concerned. Running is when you are staying completely away from your opponent, not committing to any of your punches, and pretty much avoiding any kind of confrontation what so ever. Its trying to steal rounds by doing as little as possible, and avoiding being hit. It pisses me off.
I like that definition. I'm going to download Spinks foghts v Mayorga and see what you have been talking about ever since I've been here. I've wacthed parts of the fight but never sat down adn watched the whole fight.
I really like your definition though,I've highlighted it. That sounds good to me.
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Re: What do you classify as "running" in a fight??
I consider running not willing to take any chances and basically running around the outside of the ring and being content to land one punch at a time at a "safe" distance
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Re: What do you classify as "running" in a fight??
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Originally Posted by BoomBoom
I consider running not willing to take any chances and basically running around the outside of the ring and being content to land one punch at a time at a "safe" distance
Hmmm,so basically not willing to engage?
So where is the line drawn between running and boxing? I think Corey Spinks is the prefect fighter to discuss,I know guys like Hulk think he runs ALOT whereas others say he is a pure boxer,where is the line? Did he run v Mayorga/Karmazin?
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El It was a phrase Huge McElvenny use in describing a fighter I once had it summed him up Hed make the other guy miss Then make him pay I liked it it summed it up beutifully I thought, Hes got a way with words has Huge shame Hes always pissed.
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Re: What do you classify as "running" in a fight??
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Originally Posted by Scrap
El It was a phrase Huge McElvenny use in describing a fighter I once had it summed him up Hed make the other guy miss Then make him pay I liked it it summed it up beutifully I thought, Hes got a way with words has Huge shame Hes always pissed.
Cool. Who is Huge McElvenney?
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Re: What do you classify as "running" in a fight??
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
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Originally Posted by killersheep
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
I have now seen quite a few fights where a guy is a "boxer" but he throws so little,I wonder is he really boxing?? So what do you define as a boxer and what is just running? Give examples if you can.
I guarantee that people will disagree with me on this, but here goes.
When you are matching your opponent in shots thrown, or making an effort to outland your opponent you are boxing.
Examples of boxing
PBF vs. Baldomir and Rounds 1-10 Ban Rabah vs. Urango
When you are not throwing at the same level as your opponent you are "running"
Example of running
7th round - 12th round Baldomir vs. Judah.
Hmmmm,interesting but if 1 guy is running,its going to be hard for the other to able to land ANYTHING on the runner,hence he will have landed less.
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Originally Posted by Scrap
Leaving the Parish to avoid the punch
Duuuuuude,one of your mystic nuggests of info...can anyone shed some light on this?
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Originally Posted by SweetPea
watch the 1st round of hopkins vs. hakkar
I've seen it but can't remember. Jog my memory please bro?
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Originally Posted by Hulk
Watch pretty much any Cory Spinks fight, THAT is running. Leonard vs Hagler II is also running. Ben Rabah ran from Urango as far as I'm concerned. Running is when you are staying completely away from your opponent, not committing to any of your punches, and pretty much avoiding any kind of confrontation what so ever. Its trying to steal rounds by doing as little as possible, and avoiding being hit. It pisses me off.
I like that definition. I'm going to download Spinks foghts v Mayorga and see what you have been talking about ever since I've been here. I've wacthed parts of the fight but never sat down adn watched the whole fight.
I really like your definition though,I've highlighted it. That sounds good to me.
CC. Go for it man. Be warned though, it is not a good or entertaining fight, because Spinks just refuses to engage at all. He gets knocked down three times though, which I'd say 2, 1 for sure is a legit knockdown that is not scored. Plus that damn ref took I believe 2 points away from Mayorga. It was a screwjob if I've ever seen one. And it is a perfect example of one guy running from his opponent all night long.
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
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Originally Posted by BoomBoom
I consider running not willing to take any chances and basically running around the outside of the ring and being content to land one punch at a time at a "safe" distance
Hmmm,so basically
not willing to engage?
So where is the line drawn between running and boxing? I think Corey Spinks is the prefect fighter to discuss,I know guys like Hulk think he runs ALOT whereas others say he is a pure boxer,where is the line? Did he run v Mayorga/Karmazin?
I think so. Corey Spinks isnt a boxer that i think runs a lot, he boxer Mayorga for the most part and would have been stupid to stand and trade with him. SRL ran when he fought Duran the second time because even though he was winning some rounds he was still fighting at Durans pace. RJJ vs Johnson is a perfect example of running
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Probably the best sports writer there is, try and get hold of some of his books worth a read, his discriptive verse is wonderfull.
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Originally Posted by Hulk
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
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Originally Posted by killersheep
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
I have now seen quite a few fights where a guy is a "boxer" but he throws so little,I wonder is he really boxing?? So what do you define as a boxer and what is just running? Give examples if you can.
I guarantee that people will disagree with me on this, but here goes.
When you are matching your opponent in shots thrown, or making an effort to outland your opponent you are boxing.
Examples of boxing
PBF vs. Baldomir and Rounds 1-10 Ban Rabah vs. Urango
When you are not throwing at the same level as your opponent you are "running"
Example of running
7th round - 12th round Baldomir vs. Judah.
Hmmmm,interesting but if 1 guy is running,its going to be hard for the other to able to land ANYTHING on the runner,hence he will have landed less.
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Originally Posted by Scrap
Leaving the Parish to avoid the punch
Duuuuuude,one of your mystic nuggests of info...can anyone shed some light on this?
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Originally Posted by SweetPea
watch the 1st round of hopkins vs. hakkar
I've seen it but can't remember. Jog my memory please bro?
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Originally Posted by Hulk
Watch pretty much any Cory Spinks fight, THAT is running. Leonard vs Hagler II is also running. Ben Rabah ran from Urango as far as I'm concerned. Running is when you are staying completely away from your opponent, not committing to any of your punches, and pretty much avoiding any kind of confrontation what so ever. Its trying to steal rounds by doing as little as possible, and avoiding being hit. It pisses me off.
I like that definition. I'm going to download Spinks foghts v Mayorga and see what you have been talking about ever since I've been here. I've wacthed parts of the fight but never sat down adn watched the whole fight.
I really like your definition though,I've highlighted it. That sounds good to me.
CC. Go for it man. Be warned though, it is not a good or entertaining fight, because Spinks just refuses to engage at all. He gets knocked down three times though, which I'd say 2, 1 for sure is a legit knockdown that is not scored. Plus that damn ref took I believe 2 points away from Mayorga. It was a screwjob if I've ever seen one. And it is a perfect example of one guy running from his opponent all night long.
CC back man,I'll check it out.
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Originally Posted by BoomBoom
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
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Originally Posted by BoomBoom
I consider running not willing to take any chances and basically running around the outside of the ring and being content to land one punch at a time at a "safe" distance
Hmmm,so basically
not willing to engage?
So where is the line drawn between running and boxing? I think Corey Spinks is the prefect fighter to discuss,I know guys like Hulk think he runs ALOT whereas others say he is a pure boxer,where is the line? Did he run v Mayorga/Karmazin?
I think so. Corey Spinks isnt a boxer that i think runs a lot, he boxer Mayorga for the most part and would have been stupid to stand and trade with him. SRL ran when he fought Duran the second time because even though he was winning some rounds he was still fighting at Durans pace. RJJ vs Johnson is a perfect example of running
YEAH,Tthats what I mean. Hulk,wouldn't Spinks have been stupid to stand for too long??Was he throwing punches??
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Originally Posted by Scrap
Probably the best sports writer there is, try and get hold of some of his books worth a read, his discriptive verse is wonderfull.
Thanks for that,I'll search him! Have a cc on me for the info!
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Re: What do you classify as "running" in a fight??
Its not running if you win the round...period.
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Originally Posted by Olympian904
Its not running if you win the round...period.
Ill agree to disagree
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Re: What do you classify as "running" in a fight??
A "PURE BOXER" in my estimation has done well with the art of hitting and not getting hit, if that requires moving around the ring, then that's what it takes.
If this style of fighting bothers you then I suggest you start a petition for a 5' x 5' ring.
If a strong fighter is unable to cut off the ring, then his power is useless.
What makes boxing interesting to me is seeing how the different styles do against each other.
There are styles that do well against certain other styles.
Using the ring is not necessarily running, just my opinion of couse
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Re: What do you classify as "running" in a fight??
Someone who won't engage for the entire 3 minutes, someone not attempting to be at all impressive, there's nothing wrong with not getting hit, but someone who doesn't throw combinations, their intent is primarily not being hit, rathjer than landing effective punches, someone who basically is boring the crap out of everyone, not trying to land shots, do damage, scared of scratching a nail, getting their hair out of place. I mean, everyone can tell the difference between skill, dominating, and being a bitch.
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Originally Posted by Olympian904
Its not running if you win the round...period.
Elaborate! What does that mean? So if a fighter avoids contact for the whole 3 mintues,that's fine is it? Like Oscar v Tito?
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Running is a crude term. Plus for me its usually an accumilation of things.
But id say a fighter "ran" if he:
(counting down)
5- Constantly leads then backs off
4- Constantly counters and backs off
3- Constantly breaks off from exchanges 1st
2- Does't give any lateral movement untill he touches the ropes
1- Is clearly throwing less punches than usual
A fighter would probably need to do 3 or 4 of those things before i would call it "running".
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Re: What do you classify as "running" in a fight??
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
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Originally Posted by Olympian904
Its not running if you win the round...period.
Elaborate! What does that mean? So if a fighter avoids contact for the whole 3 mintues,that's fine is it? Like Oscar v Tito?
I don't mean to answer for Olympian, but he said it's not running if you win the round.
When Oscar ran the last 3 rounds, he wasn't winning them.
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Alot used to say Pernell Whitaker but thats where there wrong because Whitaker did throw in punching range and take a chance and win the round
Running in a fight is when you take no chance or no attempt to win a fight and i've seen some boxers do so much running they should be 100 m runner ;D
Take Green vs Miranda Green took no chance only when he caught Miranda with punch and floored him and even after that he didn't even try and finish the job Green took no risks and run all night to survive that imo is perfect example of running and survival.
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Originally Posted by SweetPea
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
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Originally Posted by Olympian904
Its not running if you win the round...period.
Elaborate! What does that mean? So if a fighter avoids contact for the whole 3 mintues,that's fine is it? Like Oscar v Tito?
I don't mean to answer for Olympian, but he said it's not running if you
win the round.
When Oscar ran the last 3 rounds, he wasn't winning them.
Ok..hmm...how would you know if you've won the round? What if a fighter has landed a few punches at the beginning then avoids contact for the rest of the round?
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
Alot used to say Pernell Whitaker but thats where there wrong because Whitaker did throw in punching range and take a chance and win the round
Running in a fight is when you take no chance or no attempt to win a fight and i've seen some boxers do so much running they should be 100 m runner ;D
Take Green vs Miranda Green took no chance only when he caught Miranda with punch and floored him and even after that he didn't even try and finish the job Green took no risks and run all night to survive that imo is perfect example of running and survival.
Pernel...running? No way!!!!
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
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Originally Posted by SweetPea
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
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Originally Posted by Olympian904
Its not running if you win the round...period.
Elaborate! What does that mean? So if a fighter avoids contact for the whole 3 mintues,that's fine is it? Like Oscar v Tito?
I don't mean to answer for Olympian, but he said it's not running if you
win the round.
When Oscar ran the last 3 rounds, he wasn't winning them.
Ok..hmm...how would you know if you've won the round? What if a fighter has landed a few punches at the beginning then avoids contact for the rest of the round?
Well for example, people said Floyd "ran" against Baldomir, yet he won every single round and was landing more shots and the cleaner shots every round.
As for the Hakkar-Hopkins fight you asked about, Hakkar ran in a circle along the ropes for the entire first round. He didn't land a single punch. He may have been the worst #1 mandatory I've ever seen. 10 times worse than Tim Austin.
