LET'S PUT THE MODERN FIGHTER INTO THE BAREKNUCKLE ERA...

Some of these Blood baths went on for well over 30/40 mins and bareknuckle :o
With that in mind who from the 'Gloved era' would have been top ;)
Im thinking that fighters who put opponents away fast (to save facial damage) would be high up ie Tyson and G-Man etc.
What do you reckon and why?

Tyson might be the only one IMO...he has the skills and he is crazy.

Imagine the state of Ali's face after only a 20 fight career...
IMAGINE the rumble in the Jungle bareknuckle :o

Julian Jackson Earnie Shavers George Foreman

George Foreman v Ron Lyle (bareknuckle) OUCH ;D
One of my fave ever tear ups and i know Saddo likes this one too 8)
Wicked fight O0
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David Tua can put people away quickly see Moorer and Ruiz

To be honest Smash modern generation would beat alot of bareknuckle fighters in the old days they wern't as good technique wise sure they were tough sob but i would pick modern greats over them mate.

Depending on weight classes...I'd lean towards the Nard. Hell of a chin & a toe to toe shooter who in the start of his career did a lot of one shot stops.

He'd do well.

Again...anyone with a chin & crack!

MRS Smash got me a bareknucle legends book a few years back and one fight in the late 1800's went on for nearly an hour and a half with one fighter dead afterwards.
The saying "your not up to scratch" comes from this era where instead of 3 min rounds when there was a knockdown if the fighter couldn't get back to the chalk line across center ring ready to fight he would lose.
that was considered a 'Round'-a KO so you could have 5,6,7 etc within 5 mins.
This is why we used to have 90 rounders etc 8)
One chap even trained his bareknuckles by using an oak tree as a punchbag giving him 'Horny spikes' on his knuckles so as to inflict more damage.
I'll dig it out and let you know the name.
Great book ;)
Thank me later
Love always
The Proffesor ;D

I think the Sweet Science has evolved!!

Do you really think people in the Bareknuckle era were all simpleton brutes with a big crack and a good chin ?

The fights that went on for hours were not fought at any great pace alot of the time when a fighter was down it was gentlemanly to wait for him to recover and come back upto scratch !!!

;D ;D
Clued up you are ;)

Gloves are a huge part of defence, I think only the power punchers would prevail. Someone who eeks out a decision and pitter patters would bust their hands.

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MRS Smash got me a bareknucle legends book a few years back and one fight in the late 1800's went on for nearly an hour and a half with one fighter dead afterwards.
The saying "your not up to scratch" comes from this era where instead of 3 min rounds when there was a knockdown if the fighter couldn't get back to the chalk line across center ring ready to fight he would lose.
that was considered a 'Round'-a KO so you could have 5,6,7 etc within 5 mins.
This is why we used to have 90 rounders etc 8)
One chap even trained his bareknuckles by using an oak tree as a punchbag giving him 'Horny spikes' on his knuckles so as to inflict more damage.
I'll dig it out and let you know the name.
Great book ;)
Thank me later
Love always
The Proffesor ;D

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Posted at the same Time Smashup !!

That fighter i believe you refer to is Tom Cribb!

He fought a legendary Black fighter Bill richman andl Tom Molynuex both Americans ( Spelling might be wrong )

Tom Cribb fought TM in a field in East Grinstead in West sussex the fight was mentioned on the front page of the Times all this whilst around the time of the battle of trafalgar.

Bill RIchmand was one of the 1st Black men to be Knighted and become a Lord .

The story has Holywood written all over it .

yeah the black fella was part of a group or slaves (7 of them) who served some posh racist english tits.
Anyway the slaves had bags put over their heads and were put in a room and told to fight ???
The winner was Mr Monilyuex and thats how he was selected as a Bareknuckle fighter ;)

Heres the book in question 8)
Quality stuff
http://www.amazon.com/Boxing-Album-I.../dp/0831748109

Daniel Mendoza was the fella who sparred bare fisted with an oak tree trunk ;D

i think it really is a question of good defense (hopefully you wouldnt need to have a good chin!) and a power shot. Lennox lewis would do well,as would the usual suspects, tyson,foreman,frazier. however, surprisingly there was less emphasis on power in the bareknuckle era, punches came from the arms and volume of punches was deemed more important than power.perhaps this is due to the fact that a relatively little amount of power is needed to knock an opponent down when a shot is thrown minus gloves.

Tom Cribb also did it for his rematch with Tom Monilyuex .

Bill Richmand became a fully paid up member of the Establishment who made his money before Boxing .


( somebody is gonna show me up here i know )

But if i remember rightly he was walking in the street when somebody offended his lady companion and BR took great offence and sorted them .

His 1st fight was against local champion Docky and he won easily and a star was born .


( fire at will Smashup )

After ten fights there hands were fucked

Illustrated above is a rough guide to how the rounds/length of a fight was judged so how long iyopinion would 10 be (rough estimate like)?

Funny thing about the bare knuckle era is they toed the line as well...There was no moving about until just about the end of the era...Here are a few guys I think would have done well in that era,,,,

Ricardo Mayorga.....

Mike Tyson......

Aaron Pryor...

Manny Pacquaio...

Tex Cobb.....( until his face swelled shut lol)

James Toney....( Even if it was when they toed the line he would have done well due to the fact he barely moves when using his defense)

Marvin Hagler....

Tommy Hearns....

Earnie Shavers,,Foreman,,Rocky Marciano,,

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The fights that went on for hours were not fought at any great pace alot of the time when a fighter was down it was gentlemanly to wait for him to recover and come back upto scratch !!!

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I read somewhere that if a fighter was down he had 30 seconds to toe the line or they "were deemed a beaten man."

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After ten fights there hands were fucked

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good point .. you would need to vary your power considerably under those conditions. and be spot on accurate with your shot.

Ricardo Mayorga
Oliver MCall
Jorge Barrios
Edison Miranda
Jermain Taylor

These guys would be sucessful

PBF probably wouldnt be undefeated

The more powerful the punch, the more risk of breaking knuckles.

Rocky Marciano would be unstoppable in them days. PERIOD. Heart, Chin and a fucking bitch of a punch! 3 charactaristics that would be sooo valuable!!

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Ricardo Mayorga
Oliver MCall
Jorge Barrios
Edison Miranda
Jermain Taylor

These guys would be sucessful

PBF probably wouldnt be undefeated

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I think you have a good list...( never thought about McCall He is a damn tough guy) But I have to ask Why Jermain Taylor??

I actually think mixed martial guys would do better against the bare knuckle fighters of old.

Boxing without gloves is an entirely different sport. Any defensive fighter would be fucked, you could slip and block the punches as easily any more, you'd have no protection for your hands and there was no limit to the number of rounds.

I'm sure guys like Tyson etc would do well but honestly Chuck Liddel would probably have been one mean mutha fuckker back then as he's virtually a bare knuckle brawler now and damn near unstoppable at present.

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I actually think mixed martial guys would do better against the bare knuckle fighters of old.

Boxing without gloves is an entirely different sport. Any defensive fighter would be fucked, you could slip and block the punches as easily any more, you'd have no protection for your hands and there was no limit to the number of rounds.

I'm sure guys like Tyson etc would do well but honestly Chuck Liddel would probably have been one mean mutha fuckker back then as he's virtually a bare knuckle brawler now and damn near unstoppable at present.

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Chuck Lidell would get smashed up bareknuckles or not the guy is an off balance musclebound MMA fighter id back any top ten heavyweight to knock him out with hands , there a difference between an MMA fighter and a world class boxer .

Look at Lidells elbows when he throws any kind of punch and compare it to a boxer , the geezer can't punch . He might be able to punch going forward but a counter puncher ( genuine puncher ) can throw a knockout punch off the back foot, believe me he'd get sparked very quickly .

The reason gloves were put on fists is to protect hands from heads not to protect heads from hands !!!!

The same fighters who are world champion with gloves would be world champion in the bareknuckle era because genuine world champs are smarter more adaptable and deal with crisis better than fighters who have the talent but never quite make it .

Non punchers can still do untold damage without gloves you'd just have a more evolved fighter with better skills .

The points null and void anyway like i said Gloves were put on fists to protect hands and as my old mate Scrap didly Ap said their hands were fucked after 10 fights .

Imagine Rafeal Marquez smashing somebody in the head he'd break his whole handand probably damage his wrist and elbow .

Hitting the bag without gloves is dangerous enough conditioned bone such as skull ,hip and elbow is fucking suicidal .

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Ricardo Mayorga
Oliver MCall
Jorge Barrios
Edison Miranda
Jermain Taylor

These guys would be sucessful

PBF probably wouldnt be undefeated

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I think you have a good list...( never thought about McCall He is a damn tough guy) But I have to ask Why Jermain Taylor??

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Um... Sorry can't agree there. McAll is not tough he is MENTAL. He would cry at the first sign of trouble. Again. Taylor would be great b/c he hits a lot and his hands would survive.

And Mayorga!! Give me a break. There is just no way he could be up there. i agree with the swash man. Doesn't matter if the gloves are on or not.

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I actually think mixed martial guys would do better against the bare knuckle fighters of old.

Boxing without gloves is an entirely different sport. Any defensive fighter would be fucked, you could slip and block the punches as easily any more, you'd have no protection for your hands and there was no limit to the number of rounds.

I'm sure guys like Tyson etc would do well but honestly Chuck Liddel would probably have been one mean mutha fuckker back then as he's virtually a bare knuckle brawler now and damn near unstoppable at present.

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Chuck Lidell would get smashed up bareknuckles or not the guy is an off balance musclebound MMA fighter id back any top ten heavyweight to knock him out with hands , there a difference between an MMA fighter and a world class boxer .

Look at Lidells elbows when he throws any kind of punch and compare it to a boxer , [the geezer can't punch . He might be able to punch going forward but a counter puncher ( genuine puncher ) can throw a knockout punch off the back foot, believe me he'd get sparked very quickly . The reason gloves were put on fists is to protect hands from heads not to protect heads from hands !!!!

The same fighters who are world champion with gloves would be world champion in the bareknuckle era because genuine world champs are smarter more adaptable and deal with crisis better than fighters who have the talent but never quite make it .

Non punchers can still do untold damage without gloves you'd just have a more evolved fighter with better skills .

The points null and void anyway like i said Gloves were put on fists to protect hands and as my old mate Scrap didly Ap said their hands were fucked after 10 fights .

Imagine Rafeal Marquez smashing somebody in the head he'd break his whole handand probably damage his wrist and elbow .

Hitting the bag without gloves is dangerous enough conditioned bone such as skull ,hip and elbow is F****** suicidal .

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Total Idiotic comment with ignorance stinking to high heaven and earning a much deserved :sadclick: # 46

Liddell is the opposite of musclebound and as a matter of fact has great balance and fluidity in his punches

He cant punch Huh? ::** Well there are quite a few of his opponents that will disagree with that...

20W-3L with 13KO's http://www.sherdog.com/fightfinder/f...?FighterID=192

As a matter of fact Lidell has KO quite a few opponents backing up and is a prolific counterpuncher... So I dont know who or what the hell your watching but I suggest you look closer or actually look before writing stuff that is so wrong its ridiculous....

############# ALSO LOOK AT THE PICTURE OF CHUCK IN THE LINK I PROVIDED.... YEA HIS PYHSIQUE IS LEGENDARY, KINDA RONNIE COLEMAN ESQUE ::** #######################################

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I actually think mixed martial guys would do better against the bare knuckle fighters of old.

Boxing without gloves is an entirely different sport. Any defensive fighter would be fucked, you could slip and block the punches as easily any more, you'd have no protection for your hands and there was no limit to the number of rounds.

I'm sure guys like Tyson etc would do well but honestly Chuck Liddel would probably have been one mean mutha fuckker back then as he's virtually a bare knuckle brawler now and damn near unstoppable at present.

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Chuck Lidell would get smashed up bareknuckles or not the guy is an off balance musclebound MMA fighter id back any top ten heavyweight to knock him out with hands , there a difference between an MMA fighter and a world class boxer .

Look at Lidells elbows when he throws any kind of punch and compare it to a boxer , [the geezer can't punch . He might be able to punch going forward but a counter puncher ( genuine puncher ) can throw a knockout punch off the back foot, believe me he'd get sparked very quickly . The reason gloves were put on fists is to protect hands from heads not to protect heads from hands !!!!

The same fighters who are world champion with gloves would be world champion in the bareknuckle era because genuine world champs are smarter more adaptable and deal with crisis better than fighters who have the talent but never quite make it .

Non punchers can still do untold damage without gloves you'd just have a more evolved fighter with better skills .

The points null and void anyway like i said Gloves were put on fists to protect hands and as my old mate Scrap didly Ap said their hands were fucked after 10 fights .

Imagine Rafeal Marquez smashing somebody in the head he'd break his whole handand probably damage his wrist and elbow .

Hitting the bag without gloves is dangerous enough conditioned bone such as skull ,hip and elbow is F****** suicidal .

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Total Idiotic comment with ignorance stinking to high heaven and earning a much deserved :sadclick: # 46

Liddell is the opposite of musclebound and as a matter of fact has great balance and fluidity in his punches

He cant punch Huh? ::** Well there are quite a few of his opponents that will disagree with that...

20W-3L with 13KO's http://www.sherdog.com/fightfinder/f...?FighterID=192

As a matter of fact Lidell has KO quite a few opponents backing up and is a prolific counterpuncher... So I dont know who or what the hell your watching but I suggest you look closer or actually look before writing stuff that is so wrong its ridiculous....

############# ALSO LOOK AT THE PICTURE OF CHUCK IN THE LINK I PROVIDED.... YEA HIS PYHSIQUE IS LEGENDARY, KINDA RONNIE COLEMAN ESQUE ::** #######################################

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JT you're on my arse without making a single noteworthy point except fantasising about mens physique.

You've never boxed you've never been to a gym and you have no idea about balance or posture !!

Sad click away truth is though you know fuck all !!!

A puncher is not just somebody who bulls forward throwing a punch with his full weight behind a punch !!!

theres a difference between being a pressure fighter and a puncher , Liddel is a pressure fighter with power not a puncher you idiot !!!

A puncher is somebody who can take you out with split second timing without reaching or leaning with a punch somebody who can time you off the backfoot when under pressure .

By your WWF standards Liddel might spark a few people in MMA but he is sloppy and his balance is poor backing up against guys who are lunging for a takedown or trying to grapple him does not make him a puncher just as it doesnt make a pissed up Rugby prop knocking out a bouncer on a saturday night you F wit .

See the thing is when i talk about Punchers im talking about world class punchers people who do it on the world stage in the boxing ring


MMA is far beneath the level needed to be a world class puncher in a boxing ring !!


Levels muppett levels .

As for my shit post can you please tell me im i right about Boxing gloves being put on fists to protect hands or am i wrong are they used to protect heads ?

See throughout the entire thread nobody mentioned that so please dont bottle it and give me a genuine answer .

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I actually think mixed martial guys would do better against the bare knuckle fighters of old.

Boxing without gloves is an entirely different sport. Any defensive fighter would be fucked, you could slip and block the punches as easily any more, you'd have no protection for your hands and there was no limit to the number of rounds.

I'm sure guys like Tyson etc would do well but honestly Chuck Liddel would probably have been one mean mutha fuckker back then as he's virtually a bare knuckle brawler now and damn near unstoppable at present.

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Chuck Lidell would get smashed up bareknuckles or not the guy is an off balance musclebound MMA fighter id back any top ten heavyweight to knock him out with hands , there a difference between an MMA fighter and a world class boxer .

Look at Lidells elbows when he throws any kind of punch and compare it to a boxer , [the geezer can't punch . He might be able to punch going forward but a counter puncher ( genuine puncher ) can throw a knockout punch off the back foot, believe me he'd get sparked very quickly . The reason gloves were put on fists is to protect hands from heads not to protect heads from hands !!!!

The same fighters who are world champion with gloves would be world champion in the bareknuckle era because genuine world champs are smarter more adaptable and deal with crisis better than fighters who have the talent but never quite make it .

Non punchers can still do untold damage without gloves you'd just have a more evolved fighter with better skills .

The points null and void anyway like i said Gloves were put on fists to protect hands and as my old mate Scrap didly Ap said their hands were fucked after 10 fights .

Imagine Rafeal Marquez smashing somebody in the head he'd break his whole handand probably damage his wrist and elbow .

Hitting the bag without gloves is dangerous enough conditioned bone such as skull ,hip and elbow is F****** suicidal .

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Total Idiotic comment with ignorance stinking to high heaven and earning a much deserved :sadclick: # 46

Liddell is the opposite of musclebound and as a matter of fact has great balance and fluidity in his punches

He cant punch Huh? ::** Well there are quite a few of his opponents that will disagree with that...

20W-3L with 13KO's http://www.sherdog.com/fightfinder/f...?FighterID=192

As a matter of fact Lidell has KO quite a few opponents backing up and is a prolific counterpuncher... So I dont know who or what the hell your watching but I suggest you look closer or actually look before writing stuff that is so wrong its ridiculous....

############# ALSO LOOK AT THE PICTURE OF CHUCK IN THE LINK I PROVIDED.... YEA HIS PYHSIQUE IS LEGENDARY, KINDA RONNIE COLEMAN ESQUE ::** #######################################

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JT you're on my a*** without making a single noteworthy point except fantasising about mens physique.

You've never boxed you've never been to a gym and you have no idea about balance or posture !!

Sad click away truth is though you know F*** all !!!

A puncher is not just somebody who bulls forward throwing a punch with his full weight behind a punch !!!

theres a difference between being a pressure fighter and a puncher , Liddel is a pressure fighter with power not a puncher you idiot !!!

A puncher is somebody who can take you out with split second timing without reaching or leaning with a punch somebody who can time you off the backfoot when under pressure .

By your WWF standards Liddel might spark a few people in MMA but he is sloppy and his balance is poor backing up against guys who are lunging for a takedown or trying to grapple him does not make him a puncher just as it doesnt make a pissed up Rugby prop knocking out a bouncer on a saturday night you F wit .

See the thing is when i talk about Punchers im talking about world class punchers people who do it on the world stage in the boxing ring


MMA is far beneath the level needed to be a world class puncher in a boxing ring !!


Levels muppett levels .

As for my S*** post can you please tell me im i right about Boxing gloves being put on fists to protect hands or am i wrong are they used to protect heads ?

See throughout the entire thread nobody mentioned that so please dont bottle it and give me a genuine answer .

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Why would you care what I think Gordo.. I'm just versed in MMA and nothing more than a Muppet fukwit ;) I could care less about the points you made on boxing gloves, I never commented on it in the 1st place... Not to mention I have seen Liddell do the things that you just said he cant, so instead of going round and round about this with a MMA hater and super pugilistic genius like you... I am admitting I am shite and nothing more than a Chucklehead

Hope that helps ;) By the way I love your brand of Fishsticks

Someone who might have done well....

Andrade! You could probably hit him in the face with a brick bat and he still wouldn't bleed.
He'd probably just outlast opponents ;)

:D :D ;D ;D ;D

I'll take a 190lb Roy Jones Jr over a 190lb Tom Cribb any day of the week and twice on Sunday.

I think Thomas Hearns would do great ;D

if Hatton had a go his face would peel off after 3 minutes ;D

The style of bareknuckle fighting was much different than today's boxing. The jab was pretty much nonexistant. Fighters like Sullivan were noted for rushing forward and pummeling their opponent. Wrestling holds were allowed above the waist and were used in later rounds because many of the fighters damaged their hands early on in the fight. I wouldn't count these guys out though, read about some of the fights which involved strangling, knee drops to downed opponents and spiking opponents legs. "Gentleman" John Jackson beat Mendoza by grabbing his hair and beating him senseless. This stuff makes head butts and low blows look fairly tame.

PBF would be a nobody back then and would actually end up in jail for owing money as it goes fighters would get fined when they didn't engage in a fight since PBF runs most of the time he (PBF) would get fined all the time. ;D

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Someone who might have done well....

Andrade! You could probably hit him in the face with a brick bat and he still wouldn't bleed.
He'd probably just outlast opponents ;)

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CC#101 on me I forgot all about Andrade....Yes IMO he would either just make the other guy fall with exaustion with his attempts or just suck the shots up like a sponge in water