Could Ricky pull off a memorable win like this. If you've read his book he thinks he could, now it's over to you.
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Could Ricky pull off a memorable win like this. If you've read his book he thinks he could, now it's over to you.
Mayweather late stoppage
I have a hard time seeing how Hatton would manage to win a single round.
The Hatton that beat Koyata would have had a good chance but judging by his last few fights that Hatton is long gone.
They way Hatton fades in the last few rounds I think Mayweather might even stop him down the stretch.
I hope I am proved wrong coz I am a massive Hatton fan and I cant stand FM,but thats the way I see it going.
Whilst your one of my fave posters,and I also believe PBF would win,there is NO WAY he would win EVERY single round.Quote:
Originally Posted by SweetPea
Hatton is similar in style to JLC who is a fighter PBF struggled with. Ricky's style of staying as close as possible to fighter,constantly banging to the body has looked ineffective against a strong southpaw WW in Collazo and a bull of a man in Urango(Hatton also appeared to play it safe) but against Floyd,there would be moments when Hatton has him on the ropes and that would be interesting.His hooks could really have an effect on Floyd. and his high work rate and ability to take a punch are very impressive.
I think Floyd would beat him either via late stoppage or points but it would NOT be easy,Hatton would give a much much tougher fight than guys like Gatti/Judah/Baldo.
Everyone says they're gonna press and press and press Floyd and pressure him all night.
But nobody ever sticks with it come fight time.
Why? Because they don't like what they're taking in return.
Floyd may not have one punch knockout power, but the quick surprising shots that you don't see BEAT on your confidence more than anything.
And you can bet Floyd will pick Ricky off all night long.
And if Ricky don't like the leather he's taking every time he throws a punch, he'll become more and more hesitant to let it all out.
mayweather by decision. hatton can not beat mayweather. he struggled with callozo and mayweather is 10 times a better boxer than him
Two things:Quote:
Originally Posted by El Gamo
1. Jose Luis Castillo at 135 pounds is a better fighter than Ricky Hatton at 147.
2. Mayweather is not the same fighter that he was more than 5 years ago when he struggled with Castillo. That fight wasn't just the other day, it was a long time ago. One thing Floyd doesn't get enough credit for is that he constantly improves different aspects of his game and improves his weaknesses. He is a much better and complete fighter in 2007 than in 2002.
I agree that Hatton could give him a tougher fight than Gatti, but I don't see how he gives him a tougher fight than Judah.Quote:
Hatton would give a much much tougher fight than guys like Gatti/Judah/Baldo.
Judah may be a headcase, but he's also bigger, stronger, and light years faster than Ricky Hatton. And a southpaw as well. At 147 pounds, Zab Judah is a much much tougher opponent than Ricky Hatton.
In fact, I would strongly favor Zab Judah to beat Ricky Hatton at either 140 or 147.
hATTON HAD 1 FIGHT AT 147,against a slick southpaw,a stylistic nightmare and he had a few weeks to prepare so inconcievably,Castillo would be the better fighter at his own weight class.(and JLC is alos a better fighter since the PBF fights,he was still getting better then,gaining more confidence to become the beast we know now.) And please,by all means,elaborate on HOW Mayweather is better please? Defensively may be,offensively,nope. This would play into the hands of Hatton,allowing Hatton to launch more attacks knowing he can take what is coming back.Quote:
Originally Posted by SweetPea
There is NO WAY I'd favour Judah over Hatton at 140 or 147. No way. Hatton pressures immensly,Judah cannot take pressure.Simple as. Hatton took Kostyas bombs all night long,he could take Judah's.Judah would get murdered to the body. Judah bigger than Hatton?? Absolutely no way.Hatton balloons to what 160 in between fights>??
Are you agreeing or disagreeing with me that Castillo is better at 135 than Hatton at 147? I can't really tell.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Gamo
Ok.... but how does this effect whether he was better at 135 than Hatton is at 147?Quote:
(and JLC is alos a better fighter since the PBF fights,he was still getting better then,gaining more confidence to become the beast we know now.)
Mayweather was a one-handed fighter for the most part earlier in his career. Left jab, quick left hook. His right hand was an afterthought. He's consistently improved his straight right hand, to the point where it now might be his best punch.Quote:
And please,by all means,elaborate on HOW Mayweather is better please? Defensively may be,offensively,nope.
And his defense has improved greatly as well. He is much better defensively along the ropes now than he was 4 or 5 years ago. He is much better prepared to fight off the ropes than he was against Castillo. Trapping Mayweather on the ropes isn't as effective as it once was. He used to fight defensively by using his legs, now he can use his legs or use upper-body movement, such as the shoulder roll.
He is a better fighter offensively, better defensively, is much more experienced. He has improved in every area over the last 4-5 years.
This sounds like what every single one of Pernell's opponents (and most of Floyd's) have said over the years.Quote:
This would play into the hands of Hatton,allowing Hatton to launch more attacks knowing he can take what is coming back.
Just because you're not worried about your opponent hurting you doesn't mean you're going to be able to dive in and launch vicious attacks. Opponents always say, "I can walk right thru him." Doesn't work that way though.
The great defensive fighters don't need great power to stifle their opponents. Mayweather isn't as good as Whitaker, but he's good enough to easily handle Hatton, in my opinion.
Just because Ricky gets fat and out-of-shape in between fights doesn't mean he's a bigger stronger fighter when he gets in the ring.Quote:
Judah bigger than Hatton?? Absolutely no way.Hatton balloons to what 160 in between fights>??
Judah is an inch taller, has a seven inch reach advantage, and is just as muscular as Hatton in the ring.
Judah looks perfectly natural physically when he's in the ring against 147 pounders, whereas Hatton looked small and out of place. Hatton's body type is better suited for 140.
I think this fight would look like the Gatti fight. Maybe worse...Quote:
Originally Posted by tysonbruno
Well I think Hatton will eventually move up to 147 so we shall see. You are indeed correct about his improvements which have looked good...against lesser opponents. He has not faced anyone as good/dangerous as JLC so we can't tell how effective those changes are.And I disagree,I think his right hand has always been an important part of his arsenal.Like I said,offensively,he was more effective at the lower weights.
And to even compare Hatton and Judah's strength is silly.Ricky is built like a bull and has shown it in fights. Where has Judah shown this strength? And Judah is much faster than Hatton....but then again,he's much faster than Pineda,than Tszyu,than Baldo etc....
I don't want to go too far off topic,you made valid points but nothing at all which comes anywhere remotely close to justifying HOW Floyd would beat Hatton wihtout Hatton winning a "single round". I just don't understadn the thinking behind that statement. Like I said,Floyd should and would win but winning every round. Don't see it.
There was a time I thought this would be a good bout but....that was then and this was now...IMO Floyd has improved while Ricky has gone down hill with his hit and hold
Yup!Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahn
About a year and a half ago, I would've given my left arm to see this fight.
Now, I don't even see this one being close.
Ricky's fans are always quick to jump to his defense with,
"It's hard to look good against a guy like Urango! It's hard to look good against a guy like Collazo! It's hard to look good against awkward Maussa!"
And when Floyd goes out and looks good in his fights, all of a sudden he's fighting nobodies.
So basically, it's okay to look bad against good fighters, but it's not okay to look good against good fighters? Does not compute.
I like Ricky and I do respect him for what he does in the ring. He beat KT and I take nothing away from that. But when you read about him from his fans, you come to expect him to be this all-out bull who doesn't stop pressing his opponent.
He had one big win over KT, he ran over low level competition early in his career, and he grabs and holds his way to victory when he steps up. Is that accurate?
Where are his big explosive fights? I've seen about a dozen Ricky fights. Did I happen to coincidentally tune in to the 12 times he had an off night and all the other times I've missed him he's an intense bull?
That's an interesting point,how many people actually want to see this fight? I'm not sure whether I ifind it exciting or not! I mean boxing fans are fickle,we all say Hatton has looked bad in his last few fights but if he beats JLC well,people will be clamouring to see this again!
Very good points there bro,I can relate to what you are saying. His holding is a little excessive for my liking too and he does need another A grade win aside from Tszyu,there's only so long a fighter can sit on one win!Quote:
Originally Posted by meowza
Even though I think it will be a lopsided fight, I still would like to see it, because it would be a huge event. Any fight that will generate a lot of buzz and a lot of attention is a good thing for the sport, in my opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Gamo
Mayweather-Hatton would generate a lot of hype, and lots of casual fans (especially in the UK I'm sure) would tune into see it.
If the fight was in the UK, they could probably sell 50,000 tickets.
That's the thing though dude,you and I BOTH know PBF is not going to UK and Hatton is not that big a draw stateseide for it to be a big fight, is he??Quote:
Originally Posted by SweetPea
I used to think this way, but I've changed my mind a little. I wouldn't be shocked anymore if Floyd were willing to go to the UK.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Gamo
Two reasons:
1. We all know Floyd is cocky and confident. He probably thinks that he's so much better than Ricky Hatton that he doesn't even need to worry about Hatton getting hometown scoring from the judges.
2. Floyd is an attention whore. He wants people to notice him and pay attention to him. If this fight were in the UK, it would be a HUGE event, and that would mean more people watching, listening, and paying attention to him.
Well he's not that big of a draw, but if he could look really impressive against Castillo, then he would win a lot of respect among fans.Quote:
Hatton is not that big a draw stateseide for it to be a big fight, is he??
Also, I'm sure plenty of UK fans would travel over here for the fight if it were in Vegas.
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Originally Posted by SweetPea
Interesting thinking but I still don't see the first point being true. Mayweather in the UK would be awesome though! So do you think this fight will come off after Pbf Oscar??
Well, it's really tough to say, because so many different things can happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Gamo
Floyd has to beat Oscar. There's no way Floyd is retiring, I don't care what he says.
Then Hatton has to beat Castillo. That's no easy task.
Also, you've got Cotto-Judah and Williams-Margarito coming up. The winners of those two fights will consider themselves contenders.
And you have Mosley out there.
It could go a lot of different ways. Although I guarantee that if Mayweather fights Hatton, a lot of people will criticize him for ducking the other guys at 147.
Well,would that not be justified? Hatton looked horrible in his first fight at 147,and hypothetically speaking,if his next was against Floyd,why should Floyd not take the flak when there are established guys like Mosley at 147,when there are guys who have looked better at 147 like Cotto and when you have guys who have fought under rated badasses in Margarito.Quote:
Originally Posted by SweetPea
However,as fLOYD has stated in a clip Danny G showed,hes not interested in fighting the best. Floyd wants $$$ so that would mean Hatton or Msoely. I too find it difficult to envisage Floyd retiring after the Oscar fight,win lose or draw.
Uh.... I think you forgot "Are you frigging kidding me?!?" as a voting option to your question.
;)
Ring size plays a great deal in a match-up like this. as with Dela Hoya.. if Floyd has his way and negotiates a big ring 26-27 foot .. Floyd would likely win... Mayweather is an exceptional fighter in reverse. now put Floyd's ass in a standard 16 footer and Hatton would likely get to him over the course of a match . just my humble opinion O0
I respect your opinion, L.G. I truly do. But having said that....Quote:
Originally Posted by Lords Gym
Refer to Reply # 21.
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Originally Posted by TitoFan
A lesson to the rest on how to respectfully disagree 100%.... CC.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lords Gym
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I like Ricky and admire his style....I just cant see anything else other then a wideeee UD for Lil Floyd though.
TO get back to the topic. Mayweather would beat Hatton worse than he beat Baldomir. Hatton is faster than Baldomir, and a better boxer, but he has a worse chin, and has shown worse stamina of late. I see Leonard, Mayweather, Whitaker, Camacho all beating Hatton uglier.
Considering Mayweather couldn't break an egg with a punch how is he going to discourage Hatton so badly over the course of 12 rounds ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Taeth
He didn't beat Baldomir he just patted him , Hatton has faster feet better ring craft punches much harder than Baldomir and has a worse chin , how ?
Hatton actually turns up to have a fight he doesn't just do the boxing equivalent of Torvil and Deans 1984 Sarajevo Gold Medal winning effort !!!
Fucking hell Mayweather cant even dent Zab Judah and yet Hatton walks through Kostya Tszyus bombs and your saying he has a worse chin ?
Here's fun , try basing what you write about on fact .
Good lad .
very similar fighter.. hatton is a clincher and pbf is a run and gun.. but if they stood there and throw.. it could go either way..
Unfortunately I agree. Which is extremely disappointing because Hatton looked so damn good against Tszyu. Maybe he can have a revival against Castillo. Don't get me wrong, he looked damn good for 5 rounds. Never before had Hatton been in and out like he was in this fight. Typically the battle is just getting inside and maintaining control on the inside as was the case with Collazo. But he showed a whole nother dimension in the first 4 rounds. He was getting in and out landing combinations without being touched.Quote:
Originally Posted by meowza
He looked to be reviving some talks for a Floyd fight but then he got hurt and started throwing one punch at a time. But I have a feeling he is going to look spectacular against Castillo. Let's say for arguments sake he looks exactly like he did against Tszyu. Here's then what I would think of the fight.
1. The fight has to be at 140. Floyd has said that he wants to dominate 3 weight divisions in 140, 147 and 154. He should make 140 fine and that's where the fight happens for Hatton to have a shot. Maybe even at a catch weight like 143 but 147 is straying to far for Hatton.
2. Hatton is as good at cutting off the ring as anybody in boxing is. If the two fought, no doubt would Hatton have plenty of opportunities to get Floyd on the ropes. And if he is active on the inside he can make then he could catch Floyd. Especially to the body. He's a fighter made for the inside. He throws very hooks, a lot of guys open up and fly their shoulder out when throwing the left hook leaving them open for the right hand. Hatton doesn't do that it's one of his biggest strengths and honestly, on the inside Hatton is hard to catch flush. When he's hit it's usually from the outside.
3. The problem is getting Floyd on the inside and keeping him there. Well, 1 way to do it is to work the body. Against Judah, Floyd gave up the body on the ropes. Judah didn't take it. Now no doubt he would change it up for Hatton but Hatton could still try. It's worth a shot. Maybe he could get lucky and Floyd crumbles under a sustained body attack. It requires a substantial amount of luck to beat Mayweather at this point, but if there is one thing we don't know about him it's how he reacts to a good body attack. Maybe he turns sluggish? Who knows but if anybody has the capability to find out it's Hatton in top form at 140 or Cotto.
Just a few thoughts. I really wish this fight happened somehow a year ago. Even though Hatton said he wanted 3 fights before facing Floyd, the Hatton that beat Tszyu would make for a hell of a fight imo. Busy fighter who cut off the ring beautifully and forced Tszyu to bang it out on the inside.
But I think Mayweather would win a rather unanimous decision. Hatton would have his moments though.
I seriously doubt this fight takes place below 147. Floyd isn't a big welterweight, but it's asking too much for him to drop a significant amount of weight past the age of 30. Even if he only weighs ~150 for the DLH fight, he'd still have to go down 10 pounds to get to 140, and that's a lot of weight for a small fighter to drop.Quote:
Originally Posted by amat
Also, Floyd has all the leverage. If he doesn't want to fight Hatton, there are lots of other big money fights for him at 147. Mosley, Cotto, Williams, Margarito, just to name a few.
On the other hand, if Hatton beats Castillo, his only options for a big big paycheck are at 147. There aren't any other huge names at 140.
Well, Witter would be a big payday in the UK. 147 just doesn't work for Hatton. He's to damn short. Maybe I'll be proven wrong but if he's facing anyone other then Cotto at 147 his chances are greatly decreased imo. Not to say he beats Cotto but it's not really a fight where he would have to move his feet a bunch so he could be well served.
Or maybe just the short notice of the 147 fight did Hatton in versus Collazo. But he had weight issues no doubt.
Really? I view it as just the opposite.Quote:
Originally Posted by amat
Against Mayweather, I don't think fighting at 147 is that much worse for Hatton than 140. If he loses to Mayweather, it's not because of Mayweather being bigger or stronger, it's going to be because Mayweather is so much faster. Mayweather is not that much taller than Hatton either, I think he's an inch taller.
Against Cotto, fighting at 147 would be a big disadvantage for Hatton, because Cotto is a big physical welterweight. And Hatton would have to show lots of movement against Cotto, otherwise Cotto would kill him to the body. Much like the Floyd situation, I don't see why Cotto would ever go back down below 147 to fight Hatton. Cotto has plenty of options, he doesn't need to drop down in weight, he could force Hatton to come up.
There was a time when I thought that HugMan Hatton could beat Floyd if they ever met but the more time that passes and the more we see of Ricky and the more we see of Floyd Mayweather Jr., there is no doubt in my mind that Floyd out boxes Hatton. Had the fight taken place sooner I think Ricky would have gone in with some momentum. Ricky's popularity seems to have dropped since he came to the US. Fighting Castillo should be an interesting fight and if he wins, it should raise his stock a bit more. Is Oscar still fighting Ricky? Win, lose or draw against Mayweather? I thought I heard some say Oscar want's hatton. Is this true?
I was so looking forward to Hatton/Cotto :(
Too bad Hatton is not as good a Welter as he is a Junior.
Im sure iv read it somewhere that Floyd has "stated" he would like to move back down to 140... Boiling off 10 pounds should be nothing for Mayweather. He had to eat his way up to weigh 146 against Baldomir, its all surplus. :-\Quote:
Originally Posted by SweetPea
That being said, he may condition himself diferently for the Oscar fight.
been through this one so many times now.
at his best hatton beats mayweather at 140 or 147. would be all over him like a rash.
Yea I guess Baldo's face was swollen and cut by the wind Floyd left while running around the ring? ::**Quote:
Originally Posted by Swashbuckling Gordy
Couldnt dent Judah either huh?? I guess it was Yoel Judah punching Zab in the nose and mouth blooding him up between rounds in his corner...Quote:
Originally Posted by Swashbuckling Gordy
Thats a novel thought Gordo... Try taking your own advice ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Swashbuckling Gordy
He said on Jim Rome that he wants to dominate 3 divisions, 140, 147 and 154. I don't think 140 is out of the question and I don't think Mayweather will have any problem moving to 140. Especially if he somehow loses to DLH.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimboogie
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Originally Posted by JT Rock
Baldo's face cut and swollen ..........booooowhoooooooooo hahahhahahahahahah i saw Mayweather swotting away and doing fuck all!!!
So he gave Judah a fat lip over 12 rounds ?
Mayweather cant punch for shit .........i love the way you clutch at straws .