MAYWEATHER HATES ON MMA

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“UFC ain’t shit,” he said. “It ain’t but a fad. Anyone can put a tattoo on their head and get in a street fight.” He singled out UFC poster boy Chuck Liddell for an extra overhand right. “We should put Liddell against a good heavyweight, under Mayweather Promotions, and if Chuck wins, then I’ll give him a million dollars out of my own pocket.” PBF then shoe-shined all MMA fighters. “These are guys who couldn’t make it in boxing,” he said. “So they do (MMA). Boxing is the best sport in the world and it’s here to stay.”

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I'll tell you 1 thing about Mayweather,the guy has a personality. I actually like listening to some of the things he says because he's crazy! I've never seen such a contradictory character in my life.

Actually Ali and Tyson aren't the top grossers in viewing audience they are the most popular. the boxer who garnered the most audience in any era is Jack Dempsey. but dempsey, ali and tyson were also heavyweights which is basically the only division that everyone knows. An average person doesn't even know what a welterweight is. When fighters fight at lower weights just by their weight division they reduce their audience and purses in comparison to heavyweights. So for Oscar to have such a huge audience and purses is truly astonishing, he is by far the biggest grosser in terms or stardom and purses beneath the heavyweight division.

Have to take everything he says with a grain of salt. All he cares about is just being anatagonizing and hyping up his next fight. But WTF, what would someone who believes him say to a wrestler, Judoka, Jiu Jitsu practitionor who was looking for an outlet. What would he say to the entire nation of Brazil; they only practise Brazilian Jiu Jitsu cause they failed to make it in Boxing? Or for that matter any and every other combat sport.

At least they all have the balls to fight eachother in MMA , unlike PBF and the other money obsessed or scared boxers.

I love boxing much more, but i just admire the "ill fight frequently and anyone" attitude of most mma fighters

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Originally Posted by Poom

but i just admire the "ill fight frequently and anyone" attitude of most mma fighters

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Too bad MMA's top heavyweight (Fedor) doesn't have that attitude.

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Originally Posted by chamiley

Actually Ali and Tyson aren't the top grossers in viewing audience they are the most popular. the boxer who garnered the most audience in any era is Jack Dempsey. but dempsey, ali and tyson were also heavyweights which is basically the only division that everyone knows. An average person doesn't even know what a welterweight is. When fighters fight at lower weights just by their weight division they reduce their audience and purses in comparison to heavyweights. So for Oscar to have such a huge audience and purses is truly astonishing, he is by far the biggest grosser in terms or stardom and purses beneath the heavyweight division.

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Actually between Purses and endorsements....Oscar De La Hoya has made more money off of the sport of boxing then any other fighter in the history of the business....And that is not including what he is making off GBP

I'm not a MMA super fan but at time I enjoy watching them. But if PBF go MMA and by bad luck he ends up in the floor I will see him screaming like a bitch trying to tap the canvas

Mayweather is the best boxer in the game yet in terms of name recognition he doesn't really hold a candle to Chuck Liddell. No doubt some sour grapes there.

Well he is right about Chuck, I'm a fan of both Liddel and PBF. Chuck would get outboxed and stop by a legit Heavy. But also you can say that you take a legit heavy and put him in the ring with Chuck under MMA rules, Chuck would knock that person out.

Yeah of course. It's like putting a badminton player on a tennis court and then the tennis player claiming supremacy.

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Originally Posted by amat

Mayweather is the best boxer in the game yet in terms of name recognition he doesn't really hold a candle to Chuck Liddell. No doubt some sour grapes there.

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I'd have to disagree with that. It may be true in certain circles, but that's because MMA has just about its entire fanbase in certain circles. Go into a black neighborhood and no one will know Chuck Liddell. Even if they don't know what he looks like, even most women know Floyd Mayweather Jr. is a boxer.

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Originally Posted by Terp

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Originally Posted by amat

Mayweather is the best boxer in the game yet in terms of name recognition he doesn't really hold a candle to Chuck Liddell. No doubt some sour grapes there.

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I'd have to disagree with that. It may be true in certain circles, but that's because MMA has just about its entire fanbase in certain circles. Go into a black neighborhood and no one will know Chuck Liddell. Even if they don't know what he looks like, even most women know Floyd Mayweather Jr. is a boxer.

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That's a good point, well said.

At least Floyd is sticking up for Boxing even though he seams to be a cancer in this sport in the opinion of many fans including myself. But one can not blame him for the things he does or says. He has been succesful dispite all the controversy. He continues to win while moving up and there is a strong chance he will win again. Is there any doubt that he would not be a good decent MMA'ist? Whole different cup of tea but there are those fighters who have been unable to make it in the sport of boxing who did go to MMA and have done rather well. So go figure. Of course he would have to learn all those tricks.

Screw MMA but I do like watching The Nightmare Diego Sanchez beat up his opponents.

I will say this about Floyd. If he was in the mixed martial arts would he be so afraid to engage his opponents like he is in boxing? He can run but there is no where to hide in those cages.

Since he is done being the king of the ring why dont he go try his luck in the MMA and see how he does ;D

I will be chanting Weasle! Weasle! Weasle! Weasle! Weasle!
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Liddell would crush Mayweather's skull in a fist fight.

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Originally Posted by Slowmotion

Liddell would crush Mayweather's skull in a fist fight.

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I saw Liddell get dominated by Quinton Rampage who took pointers from Roger Mayweather on his boxing technique.

Yeah Rampage is huge, Mayweather is small. There's a reason Mayweather said "let him fight a heavyweight."

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Originally Posted by Olympian904

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Originally Posted by Slowmotion

Liddell would crush Mayweather's skull in a fist fight.

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I saw Liddell get dominated by Quinton Rampage who took pointers from Roger Mayweather on his boxing technique.

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Rematch in May and we will see if Rampage can beat him in the Octagon. Quinton has taken massive beatings since his win over Chuck: twice by Silva and once by Rua since then. Chuck has been on one hell of a win streak.

Honestly...I hate HATE HATE any of that MMA or Pride fighting shit.

Never have liked it & can't understand how boxing fans dig on both...not that there's anything wrong with that...it just doesn't appeal to me...in anyway shape or form.

It just doesn't do it for me...I mean if I want to see sweaty bikers rolling around & hugging & clenching & playing grab ass...I'd either download & copy the Village People's YMCA video or I'd purchase meself a plane ticket & head out to CuteMick's pad...you know he's got some MMA (many man's asses) at his crib. :P

Seriously though...I only kid ja Miz-icky...but fwock MMA in all shapes & forms.

it'll be so funny to see pbf in a mma fight, he can outbox prolly anyone in the ufc or pride.....

but it'll be over once someone gets a hold of that tight a$s.

pbf prolly be screaming on the floor in a second trying to tap the floor as hard and fast as he can. hahaha

pbf can outbox them but atleast any mma has a chance of knocking him out if they catch him with a good punch, as for pbf he has no chance against them in anything else beside outboxing and keeping away.

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Originally Posted by wacko3205

Honestly...I hate HATE HATE any of that MMA or Pride fighting S***.

Never have liked it & can't understand how boxing fans dig on both...not that there's anything wrong with that...it just doesn't appeal to me...in anyway shape or form.

It just doesn't do it for me...I mean if I want to see sweaty bikers rolling around & hugging & clenching & playing grab a**...I'd either download & copy the Village People's YMCA video or I'd purchase meself a plane ticket & head out to CuteMick's pad...you know he's got some MMA (many man's asses) at his crib. :P

Seriously though...I only kid ja Miz-icky...but fwock MMA in all shapes & forms.

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Wack you know i am with you on this. Fuck all those homos that want to roll around on the ground. They should try learning technique and becoming boxers. I think it is the most trash form of a sporting event since wrestling.

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Originally Posted by SalTheButcher

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“UFC ain’t S***,” he said. “It ain’t but a fad. Anyone can put a tattoo on their head and get in a street fight.” He singled out UFC poster boy Chuck Liddell for an extra overhand right. “We should put Liddell against a good heavyweight, under Mayweather Promotions, and if Chuck wins, then I’ll give him a million dollars out of my own pocket.” PBF then shoe-shined all MMA fighters. “These are guys who couldn’t make it in boxing,” he said. “So they do (MMA). Boxing is the best sport in the world and it’s here to stay.”

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Well not to rain on anyone's parade but part of what he is sayin is true. Boxing is a better sport than MMA, which is much more of a legalized street fight. Boxing is more of a sport; it is more of an art form; it is much more finely tuned. There are reasons why it is referred to as a "science". You can see this reflected in how the champions of UFC and Pride (with the possible exception of Fedor Emelianenkov) reign for much shorter time periods as in a UFC fight; titles change hands more frequently since in MMA there is a much smaller margin for error; it is much easier to win on one lucky punch or kick and have success (a la Tank Abbott) in the UFC rather than in boxing, which is just more specialized; more of a sport. UFC is one partlegalized violence to satisy the bloodlust of boxing "fans" who only want to watch the sport to see people get knocked out, and one part guys humping eachother. Dont get me wrong, I like violence too. I watch UFC and Pride sometimes when I want to get my fix for seeing someone's blood get spilled. But with that in mind, the majority of the time what it ends up turning into is an intense grappling session with the guys rolling around on the floor together trying mount eachother. I understand that there is skill involved in grappling and making your opponent tap out or choke them out; I respect that, but it is still pretty boring to watch, in my opinion. MMA will never replace boxing in my eyes as a sport or a pastime.

Mayweather may be a little off when he calls it a fad, but boxing has stood the test of time. The concept and sport of it has existed since 1500 B.C. You have to take that in consideration. MMA has a long way to go if it wants to compete with a tradition like that. Chuck Liddell is pretty much the man in MMA right now. He is the champion of his sport. Put him in a ring with gloves against a "good heavyweight", like say, Wladimir Klitschko would you bet on Chuck? I would be willing to bet that a good heavyweight, as Mayweather wanted to wager, would totally beat the crap out of The Iceman. By comparison, with UFC rules, I think 4 times out of five, Liddell would win; because of Chuck's toe to toe, slugging, exchanging style, don't be surprised if that boxer connected with that one good punch (which is much easier to land in MMA than in boxing because of how much lighter the padding in the gloves are). If you gave Klitschko or say David Tua the MMA gloves and put him in a ring with Liddell, don't you think they would be able to a lucky punch 2 out of 3 or 4 out of 5 times? Maybe if Chuck's ground skills were better the odds would be more in the his favor; to be successful in MMA fighting (and i give credit where credit is due), you have to be well rounded in everything, ground skills like wrestling and/or jujitsu, kickboxing, boxing and more. Boxing is a sport and a science, more than just a "martial art", but of all the martial arts combined in the UFC and in MMA, I think it is the single most powerful and useful across the boards. I think a really good pro boxer would, contrary to what a lot of people say and think, do really well in UFC, given six months training in ground defenses like jujitsu; but without it, eventually someone would take them down and they would be screwed. Unfortunately for UFC fans, we will never see this because boxers of that level of talent are paid over ten times what they would get for a match in the Octagon. That is what Mayweather meant when he said, "...these are guys who couldn't make it in boxing." That's not to say UFC fighters can't make it as pro boxers; the majority of them probably could make it to an extent (and still make more money than they do in the UFC)...but not to highly-paid world championship status like PBF or Oscar Delahoya where they are cashing in on multimillion dollar paydays.

And to make a long story short, mixed martial arts will never replace boxing in the eyes of true boxing fans. So like I said, part of what Floyd said is true.

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Originally Posted by boozeboxer

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Originally Posted by wacko3205

Honestly...I hate HATE HATE any of that MMA or Pride fighting S***.

Never have liked it & can't understand how boxing fans dig on both...not that there's anything wrong with that...it just doesn't appeal to me...in anyway shape or form.

It just doesn't do it for me...I mean if I want to see sweaty bikers rolling around & hugging & clenching & playing grab a**...I'd either download & copy the Village People's YMCA video or I'd purchase meself a plane ticket & head out to CuteMick's pad...you know he's got some MMA (many man's asses) at his crib. :P

Seriously though...I only kid ja Miz-icky...but fwock MMA in all shapes & forms.

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Wack you know i am with you on this. F*** all those homos that want to roll around on the ground. They should try learning technique and becoming boxers. I think it is the most trash form of a sporting event since wrestling.

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:coolclick: :appl: I have never & will never dig on it.

I think Mayweather has a point about it being a "fad". Now I'll clarify that I've been following MMA religiously since 2001 (even longer than I've followed boxing). It was the reality show The Ultimate Fighter that put UFC/MMA on the map in North America. Sure it had a loyal following, but it has exploded since that show aired. If you asked the average joe who Chuck Liddell was in 2003, no one would have known.

So in that respect, Floyd may have a point. MMA has undergone a huge boom in popularity thanks to the TV deals and the Reality show, but how long are these new fans going to last?

Do they drug test???????????

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Originally Posted by Beanflicker

I think Mayweather has a point about it being a "fad". Now I'll clarify that I've been following MMA religiously since 2001 (even longer than I've followed boxing). It was the reality show The Ultimate Fighter that put UFC/MMA on the map in North America. Sure it had a loyal following, but it has exploded since that show aired. If you asked the average joe who Chuck Liddell was in 2003, no one would have known.

So in that respect, Floyd may have a point. MMA has undergone a huge boom in popularity thanks to the TV deals and the Reality show, but how long are these new fans going to last?

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yeah compared to how long boxing's been around, MMA is just a fad.

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Originally Posted by TheDukeof74

Well he is right about Chuck, I'm a fan of both Liddel and PBF. Chuck would get outboxed and stop by a legit Heavy. But also you can say that you take a legit heavy and put him in the ring with Chuck under MMA rules, Chuck would knock that person out.

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I don't think so bro....a true HW with 5oz gloves!!!! are you kidding me?!? Liddel goes to sleep..if not permanently.....HW are KO'ing fighters with 10oz gloves...they would be killing them with 5oz gloves...most MMA fighters can't even take a glancing blow let alone one thrown from a trained fighter....

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Originally Posted by SalTheButcher

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“UFC ain’t S***,” he said. “It ain’t but a fad. Anyone can put a tattoo on their head and get in a street fight.” He singled out UFC poster boy Chuck Liddell for an extra overhand right. “We should put Liddell against a good heavyweight, under Mayweather Promotions, and if Chuck wins, then I’ll give him a million dollars out of my own pocket.” PBF then shoe-shined all MMA fighters. “These are guys who couldn’t make it in boxing,” he said. “So they do (MMA). Boxing is the best sport in the world and it’s here to stay.”

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Well not to rain on anyone's parade but part of what he is sayin is true. Boxing is a better sport than MMA, which is much more of a legalized street fight. Boxing is more of a sport; it is more of an art form; it is much more finely tuned. There are reasons why it is referred to as a "science". You can see this reflected in how the champions of UFC and Pride (with the possible exception of Fedor Emelianenkov) reign for much shorter time periods as in a UFC fight; titles change hands more frequently

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maybe in the ufc, where guys arent that good, but in pride the belts rarley change hands


there have only been 2 HW champs, nogueira, who was unbeatable (and to this day has never been KOd or submitted) until fedor came along

there has only been 2 MW champs (and silva had the belt for a few years before losing it a month or 2 ago)

there has only been 1 LW champ (the guy who moved up and KTFO silva)


and there has only been 2 LW champs, and this one does agree with what u said about margin of error, as fucking gomi inserted himself into a submission >:mad

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Originally Posted by bikersk

Do they drug test???????????

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if the fight is in the us then the states athletic commission drug tests

Well not to rain on anyone's parade but part of what he is sayin is true. Boxing is a better sport than MMA, which is much more of a legalized street fight. Boxing is more of a sport; it is more of an art form; it is much more finely tuned. There are reasons why it is referred to as a "science". You can see this reflected in how the champions of UFC and Pride (with the possible exception of Fedor Emelianenkov) reign for much shorter time periods as in a UFC fight; titles change hands more frequently since in MMA there is a much smaller margin for error; it is much easier to win on one lucky punch or kick and have success (a la Tank Abbott) in the UFC rather than in boxing, which is just more specialized; more of a sport. UFC is one partlegalized violence to satisy the bloodlust of boxing "fans" who only want to watch the sport to see people get knocked out, and one part guys humping eachother. Dont get me wrong, I like violence too. I watch UFC and Pride sometimes when I want to get my fix for seeing someone's blood get spilled. But with that in mind, the majority of the time what it ends up turning into is an intense grappling session with the guys rolling around on the floor together trying mount eachother. I understand that there is skill involved in grappling and making your opponent tap out or choke them out; I respect that, but it is still pretty boring to watch, in my opinion. MMA will never replace boxing in my eyes as a sport or a pastime.

And to make a long story short, mixed martial arts will never replace boxing in the eyes of true boxing fans. So like I said, part of what Floyd said is true.
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A lot of what you say is true, but seriously this whole "ground game is gay" crap really kills me, It VERY hypocritical. Rabid boxing fans defend the sport by calling it a science, which is completely true. However one of the reasons MMA is taking over boxing (IMHO) is because many don't have the patience for boxing; they don't see things a lot of us who have been watching boxing our whole lives see. They don't see feints, and subtle technique that we appreciate . . . Just like a boxer will not recognize the subtle technique of the ground game, and call it gay. Exactly like a uninformed fan will call boxing boring. Whoever says the ground game is gay, I hope you say that in public and Jiu Jitsu practitioner over-hears you.

Also I don't believe you could simply teach a boxer good ground defense in a matter of months. My first love is Kick-boxing, but honestly I have found a new appreciation for guys like liddel who can still knock people the F out while having to worry about say, a Div 1 wrestlers takedowns, or a Jiu Jitsu guy getting him in a flash lock that could snap his joints. It does make a huge difference. And YES, if a boxer does learn ground techniques, That BY DEFINITION makes him a Mixed Martial Artist. You can't really slice it any other way.

Ohh and about the tradition thing, MMA has roots dating long, long, long before UFC and the like. If you want you could consider Greek Prankration and say that was around LONG before boxing. MMA did not just materialize out of nowewhere with the UFC. How long have people been debating which is the best style?

However it is true, MMA as we know it now has only been around for little over a decade, and it is jus silly to try and say boxing is a "better" sport because it is more refined. Jesus give MMA some time, Theres a beggining and end to everything. At one time Boxing was pretty much where MMA was today (to make a log story short)

In short . . . Please look past UFC and the new host of drunken " The ultimate fighter" fans, look at MMA globally. Look at guys like Shinya Aoki and Miko CroCop filipovic, and try to realize that MMA could very well be a revolution in combat sports. True that MMA will never replace boxing, but they are different things. I really believe a lot of the boxing community is approaching MMA with total ignorance, and refusing to even give it a chance and study what is really about. It is maddening because A lot of MMAists are some of the most dedicated athletes I have ever seen and they get no respect from some people.

The Thing I find MMA entertain is that every fighter is willing to fight anyone. no ducking crap

I normally refrain from commenting on MMA threads on the Boxing forum, but as a fan of both sports and objective there are some counter points that need to be made.
I agree that there is a smaller margin for error in MMA striking and that it is not as "scientific" as boxing, but on the other hand it is a much broader aspect than boxing. Punches, kicks(leg, body, head), fighting from the clinch(muay thai knees and elbows and take down defense all come into play. Obviously none of these particular skills take the years of training it takes to box at a world championshp level but it does make the MMA fighter more well rounded in stand up fighting. I think we can all agree that the more diverse a fighters arsenal is the better.
Entertainment value is subjective, so not enjoying the ground fighting aspect of MMA is understandable. But over simplifying by calling it two sweaty men playing grab ass is no different than me say that HW fighters just hug each other all fight with the occasional punch. Until I had started training in ground fighting I didn't particularly appreciate the skill either, but to each his own. That being said many MMA fighters are world class atheletes and were world class performers in their previous disciplines. Top notch freestyle/greco roman wrestlers, sambo, judo, BJJ and kick boxers are examples of MMA fighter backgrounds. The days of bar brawlers like Tank Abbot are all gone. The days of one dimensional MMA fighters is dissapearing as well. Matt Hughes is one of the most dominant champions that MMA has ever seen but his standup game is pretty weak. He recently was soundly whipped by GSP who is a tremendous athelete and well rounded. If you are going to compete at the top level in MMA today you better be able to fight equally in all areas. The sport has evolved to a truly technical level.
In regards to MMA popularity overtaking boxing only time will tell. MMA cards have been winning the PPV buys department. Now this is a little deceiving considering the number of MMA cards on versus boxing, but none the less it shows that the general public is buying the MMA product quite a bit. I know in my work (US Army) that many of my soldiers are familiar w/ the UFC and its fighters (not so much Pride). Most would be hard pressed to tell you who the HW champs are or just about any champ. I think that MMA is winning in the 18-34 demographic. With the Fertita(sp?) brothers purchasing Pride we will only see an increase in UFC's depth and overall fighter quality. MMA fans will be able to see all of the "dream" fights out there. I love both sports, but quite often I simply feel that I will get a better fight card for my money with a MMA PPV versus a boxing show.
The age old MMA fighter vs Boxer question is exhausting. They are two very different sports. Are there boxers that with extensive training could make the transition? Sure, some could but I think that suggesting just 6 months of ground training would allow a boxer to compete at a world championship level is a little belittling of the MMA skill set. On the flip side b/c of the years required to box at a top level there are very few MMA fighters that could transition to even a contender status. What is largely forgotten is that MMA fighters work on boxing all the time. The top fighters all have a strong basis in boxing. Chuck Liddel is a LHW and fights at 205 not HW. So how would he perform against Mormeck I really have no idea. I doubt he would win, but I'd be willing to bet he would perform much better than many expect. Much like a MMA fighter wouldn't attempt to stand and punch w/ a boxer in an MMA fight a boxer isn't going to just try to slug with a MMA fighter in a boxing ring. In the end boxers are pratitioners of a one dimensional combat sport. MMA fighters are fighters with the training to deal w/ multiple threats and use a wider arsenal.

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Originally Posted by TheDukeof74

Well he is right about Chuck, I'm a fan of both Liddel and PBF. Chuck would get outboxed and stop by a legit Heavy. But also you can say that you take a legit heavy and put him in the ring with Chuck under MMA rules, Chuck would knock that person out.

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Yeh i agree Duke. Boxing and MMA are two different sports. Both very exciting, i don't see why there isn't enough room for both of them. The fact that a lot of fighters seem to be slagging it off suggest that they do see MMA as a major threat to their own popularity.

1)i dont know of this chuck fella but putting him in with a boxer in a mma ring would not make him anymore likely to knock him out then if they were in a boxing ring
2)any talented fighter would want to make it in boxing,its where the money is and for good reason
3)mma fans say its more action packed than boxing...bullshit.they mostly roll around togther,it can be exciting but it hardly matches up to a gatti-ward or a castillio-corrales,and i doubt it could.

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Originally Posted by Poom

At least they all have the balls to fight eachother in MMA , unlike PBF and the other money obsessed or scared boxers.

I love boxing much more, but i just admire the "ill fight frequently and anyone" attitude of most mma fighters

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Really who hasn't MAyweather foughten, Margaritto? LOL

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Originally Posted by ryanman89

1)i dont know of this chuck fella but putting him in with a boxer in a mma ring would not make him anymore likely to knock him out then if they were in a boxing ring
2)any talented fighter would want to make it in boxing,its where the money is and for good reason
3)mma fans say its more action packed than boxing...bullshit.they mostly roll around togther,it can be exciting but it hardly matches up to a gatti-ward or a castillio-corrales,and i doubt it could.

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i assume u never saw gomi - diaz

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Originally Posted by SalTheButcher

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Originally Posted by ryanman89

1)i dont know of this chuck fella but putting him in with a boxer in a mma ring would not make him anymore likely to knock him out then if they were in a boxing ring
2)any talented fighter would want to make it in boxing,its where the money is and for good reason
3)mma fans say its more action packed than boxing...bullshit.they mostly roll around togther,it can be exciting but it hardly matches up to a gatti-ward or a castillio-corrales,and i doubt it could.

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i assume u never saw gomi - diaz

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That was about as close to a bar brawl as you can get. Both guys (expecially Gomi) gassed out after a minute and were throwing wild amateurish punches. Yeah, it's exciting like seeing two drunks at a club going at it, but you can't compare it to Gatti/Ward or Castillo/Corrales.

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Originally Posted by wacko3205

Honestly...I hate HATE HATE any of that MMA or Pride fighting S***.

Never have liked it & can't understand how boxing fans dig on both...not that there's anything wrong with that...it just doesn't appeal to me...in anyway shape or form.

It just doesn't do it for me...I mean if I want to see sweaty bikers rolling around & hugging & clenching & playing grab a**...I'd either download & copy the Village People's YMCA video or I'd purchase meself a plane ticket & head out to CuteMick's pad...you know he's got some MMA (many man's asses) at his crib. :P
Seriously though...I only kid ja Miz-icky...but fwock MMA in all shapes & forms.

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Thanks for offending the shite out of me Wacks ;D Regardless of what you think, MMA takes great skill, conditioning, awareness and intelligence.... Whats wrong with being a Biker??? by the way groovieng to Macho, Macho Man wearing my assless chaps is how I role Fuker!!!! Hahaha!!

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Originally Posted by VanChilds

   I normally refrain from commenting on MMA threads on the Boxing forum, but as a fan of both sports and objective there are some counter points that need to be made.  
   I agree that there is a smaller margin for error in MMA striking and that it is not as "scientific" as boxing, but on the other hand it is a much broader aspect than boxing.  Punches, kicks(leg, body, head), fighting from the clinch(muay thai knees and elbows and take down defense all come into play.  Obviously none of these particular skills take the years of training it takes to box at a world championshp level but it does make the MMA fighter more well rounded in stand up fighting.  I think we can all agree that the more diverse a fighters arsenal is the better.  
   Entertainment value is subjective, so not enjoying the ground fighting aspect of MMA is understandable.  But over simplifying by calling it two sweaty men playing grab a** is no different than me say that HW fighters just hug each other all fight with the occasional punch.  Until I had started training in ground fighting I didn't particularly appreciate the skill either, but to each his own.  That being said many MMA fighters are world class atheletes and were world class performers in their previous disciplines.  Top notch freestyle/greco roman wrestlers, sambo, judo, BJJ and kick boxers are examples of MMA fighter backgrounds.  The days of bar brawlers like Tank Abbot are all gone.  The days of one dimensional MMA fighters is dissapearing as well.  Matt Hughes is one of the most dominant champions that MMA has ever seen but his standup game is pretty weak.  He recently was soundly whipped by GSP who is a tremendous athelete and well rounded.  If you are going to compete at the top level in MMA today you better be able to fight equally in all areas.  The sport has evolved to a truly technical level.
   In regards to MMA popularity overtaking boxing only time will tell.  MMA cards have been winning the PPV buys department.  Now this is a little deceiving considering the number of MMA cards on versus boxing, but none the less it shows that the general public is buying the MMA product quite a bit.  I know in my work (US Army) that many of my soldiers are familiar w/ the UFC and its fighters (not so much Pride).  Most would be hard pressed to tell you who the HW champs are or just about any champ.  I think that MMA is winning in the 18-34 demographic.  With the Fertita(sp?) brothers purchasing Pride we will only see an increase in UFC's depth and overall fighter quality.  MMA fans will be able to see all of the "dream" fights out there.  I love both sports, but quite often I simply feel that I will get a better fight card for my money with a MMA PPV versus a boxing show.  
   The age old MMA fighter vs Boxer question is exhausting.  They are two very different sports.  Are there boxers that with extensive training could make the transition?  Sure, some could but I think that suggesting just 6 months of ground training would allow a boxer to compete at a world championship level is a little belittling of the MMA skill set.  On the flip side b/c of the years required to box at a top level there are very few MMA fighters that could transition to even a contender status.  What is largely forgotten is that MMA fighters work on boxing all the time.  The top fighters all have a strong basis in boxing.  Chuck Liddel is a LHW and fights at 205 not HW.  So how would he perform against Mormeck I really have no idea.  I doubt he would win, but I'd be willing to bet he would perform much better than many expect.  Much like a MMA fighter wouldn't attempt to stand and punch w/ a boxer in an MMA fight a boxer isn't going to just try to slug with a MMA fighter in a boxing ring.  In the end boxers are pratitioners of a one dimensional combat sport.  MMA fighters are fighters with the training to deal w/ multiple threats and use a wider arsenal.  

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:appl: Thank You and a much deserved :coolclick: #72 Van... I have posted numerous explanations, techniques, examples on how MMA is Highly skilled, but in the end like I always say and you pointed out as well  ENTERTAINMENT VALUE IS SUBJECTIVE... Like trying to convince someone to like choclate when they prefer vanilla

I appreciated your post

The people that say things like "there is no skill in MMA" should be ashamed of themselves IMO. If someone said "boxing takes no skill, its just two guys beating the shit out of each other with pillows on their fists" EVERYONE here would go on a tangent about how ignorant that person was and how he should do his homework. Same thing here IMO.