VALUEV on MARCIANOS record..will he soon become a top ten P4P fighter?

A few more wins and we simply can't ignore him ;)
Q&A with Nicolai Valuev here :)
http://www.fightnews.com/sauerland13.htm

I'll ignore him with 20 more wins

He's just a freak show and end of the day he will have the blemish of 1 no contest on his record and 40 odd fights and he still has'nt really fought a top fighter nobody can compare him to Marciano

I'll give Valuev credit if he gets to 100-0-0, his next opponent is actually pretty respectable IMO.

Chagaev.

Valuev-I fear neither Klitschko
http://secondsout.emojo.com/World/ne...s=225&cs=21777

Valuev may have a tainted history but lot's of Marcianos early fight (Rhode Island) were blantant 'gimmes' too ;)

Title: VALUEV on MARCIANOS record..will he soon become a top ten P4P fighter?

My reply: In his FWOCKEN dreams!!! :)
I don't give a sh*t! if he reaches 60 wins fighting that level of competition DOES NOT get you P4P. I don't care how many fights you've gone undefeated....
The phrase 'Pound for Pound' and the name Valuev SHOULD NEVER be in the same sentence.

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Originally Posted by DaxxKahn

I'll ignore him with 20 30 more wins

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I dont think he is a top P4P fighter...but he does deserve credit.

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Originally Posted by Olympian904

I dont think he is a top P4P fighter...but he does deserve credit.

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I will admit I credit him with his win over Ruiz but thats about it.... And it was a VERY close fight....

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Originally Posted by CutMeMicK

Title: VALUEV on MARCIANOS record..will he soon become a top ten P4P fighter?

My reply: In his FWOCKEN dreams!!! :)
I don't give a sh*t! if he reaches 60 wins fighting that level of competition DOES NOT get you P4P. I don't care how many fights you've gone undefeated....
The phrase 'Pound for Pound' and the name Valuev SHOULD NEVER be in the same sentence.

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Originally Posted by DaxxKahn

I'll ignore him with 20 30 more wins

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Andhere I was being generous :D

I'll give him credit if he fights someone his own weight or more with the skill of marciano.

Honestly...Marciano's record don't mean shit to me due to the fact that there were a lot of questionables on it.

Then again...in boxing...you have to look at it as one round can change anything. So that being said...

Too many peeps are far too harsh on Valuev. I for one have become a fan & do not buy into hating him.

Every decision that he won was not a gift nor did the men lie down that he knocked out. Get a grip people & give the man some credit. He's gone from novelty to champion in no time.

Respect Maskaev...not matter WTF my fellow forum goers say.

I think he have to give him some degree of respect for his record. But P4P fighter he will never be, records have nothing to do with P4P its all about your skills.

Give him credit that he apears to be willing to face anybody in the world and he is just making the best of a fucked uo HW division.

However he is still a paper champion in my eyes

Im actually quite surprised at how he moves for a big man !!

He has a nice jab and right hand nothing Special but you see alot of smaller fighters running out of steam after 8 rounds but the big NV plods along keeps them coming and you cant ask much else .

Marciano is the 3rd most overated Humanbeing of alltime , did he ever ever ever fight a single fighter in thier prime ?

Hall of Famer-my arse.

valuev to boxing, is like a pedophile priest to the church.
You just want him to go away, and never return.

My take on Valuev....

1. Yes, he's vastly improved over how he first started out.... a testament to his willingness to work at getting better.

2. Yes, he's champion. It may be one of 27 different boxing organizations with all possible combination of WB__ and IB__, but he's champion.

3. Yes, he's undefeated. Level of opposition aside, the man has not lost professionally.

BUT...... (and sorry Wacko, you had to know this was coming)....... the man outweighs everyone he fights by at least 100 pounds. Now, how is that fair? Tell me, why does every other division in boxing adhere to strict rules about weigh-ins (where even one pound over the limit gets you penalties, and draws crap from the crowd and the press)...... whereas the HW division is open-ended, and you could weigh a TON and still fight mere 200-pounders?

Hey, it's not Valuev's fault he's super-sized. But watching an almost 400-pound man, well over 7 feet tall, pounding on normal heavyweights isn't exactly my idea of sport.

Bring Valuev down to normal HW size, at his skill level...... and he gets KTFO by a handful of today's mediocre heavyweights. Matter of fact, he STILL may get KTFO by either of the Klitschko's.

In summary, I got nothing against the big man. But he should be fighting people his own size.

Valuev is a bum because he only fights bums!!!

If Valuev fights Wladimir Klitschko then I will respect him a little more.....once Nicolay wakes up from being knocked the FUNK out

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Originally Posted by TitoFan

My take on Valuev....

1. Yes, he's vastly improved over how he first started out.... a testament to his willingness to work at getting better.

2. Yes, he's champion. It may be one of 27 different boxing organizations with all possible combination of WB__ and IB__, but he's champion.

3. Yes, he's undefeated. Level of opposition aside, the man has not lost professionally.

BUT...... (and sorry Wacko, you had to know this was coming)....... the man outweighs everyone he fights by at least 100 pounds. Now, how is that fair? Tell me, why does every other division in boxing adhere to strict rules about weigh-ins (where even one pound over the limit gets you penalties, and draws crap from the crowd and the press)...... whereas the HW division is open-ended, and you could weigh a TON and still fight mere 200-pounders?

Hey, it's not Valuev's fault he's super-sized. But watching an almost 400-pound man, well over 7 feet tall, pounding on normal heavyweights isn't exactly my idea of sport.

Bring Valuev down to normal HW size, at his skill level...... and he gets KTFO by a handful of today's mediocre heavyweights. Matter of fact, he STILL may get KTFO by either of the Klitschko's.

In summary, I got nothing against the big man. But he should be fighting people his own size.

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Hey Titofan, agree with you my friend. If not due to the weight and size advantage, it is highly probable that Value's record would not include 0 loses. I agree he has improved, and that is showing his willingness to get better, and that talks very good about him. I really admire people who know how to identify their weaknesses and work seriously to get better. But, I don't think at this point we should be even thinking on the possibility to state that Value will be better (pound-for-pound) than Marciano, if his match or exceeds the existing record. It will be only statistics, but no everything is statistics. Actually, some politicians can use statistics in favor of them to trick their countries. Valuev still has a long (very long) distance to walk...

Hey PRP.... good to see you around. I'm just trying to put some perspective into the whole Valuev thing. I'm not dumping on him, 'cause he IS after all a champion who got his belt legitimately. But I also don't want to get carried away with his record or his achievements or anything like that, because the truth of the matter is... he's still fighting men who he outweighs by over 100 pounds! In sumo wrestling, that's OK. But in boxing, it's just not fair.