SHOULD Terry O'Connor (calzaghe-manfredo ref) be on the blacklist?

he has been added, his actions have caused the creation of a referee section, should he remain there?

Yes and no...

Now i thought the fight was stopped way to soon; but you have to look at it in the fact that manfrado wasn't doing anything... he was just taking hits, he didn't throw back, wasn't getting out of it and with some of the past's getting so seriously hurt its hard to say really...

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Originally Posted by Preme

Yes and no...

Now i thought the fight was stopped way to soon; but you have to look at it in the fact that manfrado wasn't doing anything... he was just taking hits, he didn't throw back, wasn't getting out of it and with some of the past's getting so seriously hurt its hard to say really...

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Thats the bottom line. :coolclick:

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Originally Posted by BoomBoom

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Originally Posted by Preme

Yes and no...

Now i thought the fight was stopped way to soon; but you have to look at it in the fact that manfrado wasn't doing anything... he was just taking hits, he didn't throw back, wasn't getting out of it and with some of the past's getting so seriously hurt its hard to say really...

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Thats the bottom line. :coolclick:

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CC back mate

I don't like that it ended so soon coz joe looked like he was stepping up to put on an exabition, but Manfredo just didn't do anything really to show us why it should of gone on (even tho i think it should of)

Not throwing punches because your waiting to time a shot is different from not throwing punches because you can't. If he ain't extremely hurt, then don't stop the damn fight. give the people what they paid for.

Bullshit stoppage, yes Manfredo wasn't firing back but that was mainly due to the fact that he slipped and fell backwards onto the ropes and it's virtually impossible to throw a punch from there!

I remember Matt Skelton being docked points in the first fight with Danny Williams when he forced Williams to fall onto the ropes in the same where as Calzaghe did here.

Don't get me wrong, Calzaghe did nothing wrong at all I'm just highlighting how shit the refereeing is in general, Williams falls onto the ropes, ref docks points from Skelton, Manfredo falls back onto the ropes, ref stops the fights :-\

What frustrated me more though was that he waited until Manfredo had actually got himself off the ropes and was trying to bob and weave his way out of trouble before he waved it off.

Once again yet another potentially great fight ruined by shitty ref's.

Personally I think 99% of all the current refereees and judges should be retired and a whole new batch brought in.

It seems like almost every big fight in recent months has been tarnished by ref's or judges one way or the other, :-\

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Originally Posted by Preme

Yes and no...
manfrado wasn't doing anything... he was just taking hits, he didn't throw back, wasn't getting out of it

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If Ali did that he would be a rope-a-doping boxing guru...

Also, most of those hits were glancing. It was stopped way to soon. Calzaghe and Manfredo both should have been bitter about the stoppage. If the Lacy fight was stopped like that Calzaghe would have been cheated out of his glory that night like he was tonight.

If I had put my Joker on a Calzaghe KO instead of a UD I wouldn't care half as much as I do right now. It was a BS stoppage though...

if Manfredo had any chance id have said yes but lets face it Joe carried him for the first 2 rounds for the fans i guess :-\ and only really tried for the KO in rd 3.

it was a mismatch plain and simple.

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Originally Posted by Saddo

it was a mismatch plain and simple.

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That is a point no man can debate.

Damn. Just when monster puncher Manfredo was about to land one devestating left hook that would cripple Calzaghe and send him crying to the canvas.

I could see that coming too mate ;D

I'm surprised sugar ray and stallone didn't jump into the ring and tag team body slam joe.

Jeah what exactly was peter trying to time, his secret ko punch that would have sent joe to the floor in a coma? I mean jeah you can make the argument he was waiting to time his punch or whatever, but shit thats not how it works you don't let the opponent hit you with flurries and then land one punch in return, which would have been the case with this fuckery of a mistmatch, I'm just dissapointed it only went 3 rounds tho. Cause as shitty as the match up was this was my dose of boxing for the weekend, and it pisses me off when it's over so quickly. Like when austin got ktfo out by klitschko in 2 rounds a few weeks ago it left me wanting more!

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Originally Posted by armin

Jeah what exactly was peter trying to time, his secret ko punch that would have sent joe to the floor in a coma? I mean jeah you can make the argument he was waiting to time his punch or whatever, but shit thats not how it works you don't let the opponent hit you with flurries and then land one punch in return, which would have been the case with this fuckery of a mistmatch, I'm just dissapointed it only went 3 rounds tho. Cause as shitty as the match up was this was my dose of boxing for the weekend, and it pisses me off when it's over so quickly. Like when austin got ktfo out by klitschko in 2 rounds a few weeks ago it left me wanting more!

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he said he was waiting for calzaghe to stop throwing so he could throw the left hook

but calzaghe didnt stop throwing

his punches were having NO impact tho, arms punches should not even bring up the consideraion of a stoppage

Jeah it was stoped prematurely you can say, but really those arms of his weren't going to stay up the whole time, I mean this is is pretty much how the fight was gonna end sooner or later. As for manfredo landing a left hook on joe, much good that would have done him, manfredo ain't exactly a powerpuncher, nor is calzaghe china chinned.

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Originally Posted by armin

Jeah what exactly was peter trying to time, his secret ko punch that would have sent joe to the floor in a coma? I mean jeah you can make the argument he was waiting to time his punch or whatever, but S*** thats not how it works you don't let the opponent hit you with flurries and then land one punch in return, which would have been the case with this fuckery of a mistmatch, I'm just dissapointed it only went 3 rounds tho. Cause as shitty as the match up was this was my dose of boxing for the weekend, and it pisses me off when it's over so quickly. Like when austin got ktfo out by klitschko in 2 rounds a few weeks ago it left me wanting more!

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he said he was waiting for calzaghe to stop throwing so he could throw the left hook

but calzaghe didnt stop throwing

his punches were having NO impact tho, arms punches should not even bring up the consideraion of a stoppage

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Agreed about early stoppage. As far as the arm punches I think an exception could be made for a prime Erik Morales

that was a BS call man.. you cant expect a guy to throw back when his back is on the rope and the other guy is throw 10 punches in 1 second.. he wansnt hurt and he was able to duck most of it.. by the way.. maybe 5 the most of calzaghe's punches landed, the rest were arm and shoulder punches

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Originally Posted by Saddo

if Manfredo had any chance id have said yes but lets face it Joe carried him for the first 2 rounds for the fans i guess :-\ and only really tried for the KO in rd 3.

it was a mismatch plain and simple.

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Yes thankyou Mr Warren for another quality promotion !!!
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You could see the referee signalling with his arms for Manfredo to show something. Didn't actually see the ref warning him tho. Stil suppose its difficult for the ref to notice that the punches are not landing when they are thrown at that speed. End of the day Manfredo was out of his depth big time. He wasn't throwing back and he never looked like getting off the ropes so thats that. I thought it was a bullshit stoppage but if you just lay on the ropes and let your opponent hit you, you are going to get stopped at some point.

I dont think Peter was in danger of getting hurt from those shots, at least let him take a standing eight count or go down.But if I'm honest, I gotta think he saved Manfredo ossible accumulative damage he was gonna take if the fight went into the late rounds...in that half of a round Joe threw about 100 punches...lol. I watched the slo motion replay, and Joe is definately a slapper, who was saying he doesnt slap, lol get your eyes checked. Ive seen those kind of punches in a girl fight. I still like his style of fighting but some of his shots look like girl punches.

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Originally Posted by Preme

Yes and no...

Now i thought the fight was stopped way to soon; but you have to look at it in the fact that manfrado wasn't doing anything... he was just taking hits, he didn't throw back, wasn't getting out of it and with some of the past's getting so seriously hurt its hard to say really...

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Thats the bottom line. :coolclick:

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Looke to me that he was being bitch slapped at a high rate.

Definitely one of the quickest stoppages i've ever seen, especially considering Manfredo didn't even seem hurt. I mean I get the argument that it was a mismatch and the ref must have been thinking that when he made the call. Calzaghe traps guys on the ropes and he throws quick flurries, that's what he does, what point is there to even having the fight if the ref is thinking, this could get ugly, I'll stop it the first time Manfredo is even remotely close to being hurt.

But I don't know, its hard for me to care that much considering it was a horrible mismatch and it wasn't going to last that long anyway. Manfredo looked like a child in there.

Was man v boy...Did Manfredo even land a punch?

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Originally Posted by Smashup

Was man v boy...Did Manfredo even land a punch?

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He told HBO that he hurt Calzaghe a few times ;D

Definately a quick stoppage, way to quick. But, like people are saying, Manfredo wasn't doing a thing and he's been boxing long enough to know that if you're lying against the ropes getting splattered with punches, while not punching back, the fight may get stopped.
However, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised to learn that the Tournament of Contenders had made an "arrangment" with the ref that the fight would be stopped before they and their cash cow fighter could have their credibility blown complelely out of the water. It's not like they didn't know what was going to happen. Imagine the damage that would be done to the ToC with Manfredo getting brutally KO'd and laying catatonic on the ground for several minutes.
I'm kind of disgusted with both of the promoters right now.