My nominee,Riddick Bowe,he had power,speed,footwork,and he blew it all by not training
Any others,youd care to mention?
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My nominee,Riddick Bowe,he had power,speed,footwork,and he blew it all by not training
Any others,youd care to mention?
Meldrick TaylorQuote:
Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey
Greg Page
Riddick Bowe
Tim Witherspoon
David Reid
Davey Moore
Michael Watson
Gerald Mcclellan
Salvador Sanchez
Corrie Sanders
Fernando Vargas
John Mugabi
Ike Ibeabuchi
Aaron Pryor
Zab Judah
Buster Douglas
Tony Tubbs
Kirkland Lang
Charles Burley
I could add one to the "Due to circumstances beyond their control" category(Don King completely screwed Witherspoon)Mancini was never the same after Du Ku Kim
Wicked list.. But i'd have to disagree with a couple..Quote:
Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
I think david ried made the best of a bad situation frankly after having problems with his eyelid.. he had his payday against tito a couple mre wins and then went and enjoyed his money - fair play
Fernando vargas.. I dunno about that choice.. Fernando is and was greatly skilled, and always has the claim that he only ever lost to great great fighters... I cant have seen his career any other way..
I had him up when he was stopped in the first mosely fight.. And the other three losses are against undoubted legends of boxing.. if only he could have.. or may still pick some big names that suit his style to pad his record and his legacy
I think judah still has a chance to make it big... I mean.. its not all wasted away.. He can still make welter.. He gave the best pound for pound a great showing.. his career has been riddled with suspension and ye that is unacceptable from a professional.. But he keeps getting and lets give him props for always taking these big fights.. hes got this fridays tune up.. then cotto.. and a fair shot to beat cotto.. personally i love an underdog and im a clauset judah fan so im backing zab
My input....
Duran..Used to blow up inbetween fights and many beleive this affected his career and cut it short..
Plus he had a lack of range in what he did to make his weight.. he mostly just sparred to make weight due to the fact he just loved to fight and he made weight doing what he loved to do
Toney much the same has gotten lazy.. weight and diet has been his issue.. sometimes will only sparr to train for a fight and basically has gotten through the last ten years or so as a proffessional on pure skill alone.. Had he been a puncher he would have been finished long ago
Peace
ICB,Quote:
Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
Can I ask how is that you determine these 2 fighters wasted thier talents?
And these for the better part of me I can't understand what would lead you to say they are wasted talent? ???Quote:
Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
1st and foremost Sal Sanchez passed away in a tragic car accident.
Exactly how does he become wasted talent?
To me when someone asks wasted talent it's someone who had it all BUT MADE THE CHOICE to throw it all away.
I don't think Sanchez had much of a choice....
Heres my list of wasted talent;
Johnny Tapia
Michael Grant
Panchito Bojado
Mike Tyson
Jose Luis Lopez
Jorge Paez
Audley Harrison
Irene Pacheco
One for the list I brain farted on
Sonny Liston
Power,skills,unfortunate mob ties,and an eventual collection of seriously bad habits
Because Mick Sanchez could of achieved much much more but he died so suddenly when he was young and just starting to become great that imo is wasted talent.Quote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMicK
You see it different to me i don't see wasted talent in one way like they threw it away i also see it like they were rushed into fight and could of been much better talent had they had more experience aka Vargas+Reid that is also wasted talent.
And to answer your question about Taylor in way he is wasted talent because imo he could of been great now he is just remembered for controversial loss to Chavez he had amazing speed he had it all imo and he done stupid tactic and he payed the price no matter if you think he won or lost his talent got wasted in that one fight.
audley harrison ?
Yea well spotted didn't see that on Mick's list and i ask Mick aswell Audley Harrison ?? ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam Seddon
Honstly..In my eyes... I dont think i would rather Johnny tapia did it any other way..It wouldnt suitQuote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMicK
I would have liked or like him to have a bigger legacy..More widespread appreiciation
But in all fairness ..With how his life was is and will probably end.. His crazy life..
Its fair to say he is more of an overachiever then an underachiever..
He did great things..Made great things of his life.. They may never have been supposed to happen
Peace
Good list ICB but honestly, all of those fighters accomplished a lot. I mean, maybe they didn't become superstars like we all expected them to but almost all were world title holders. When I look at guys as wastes of talent, guys who never made it to the next level come to mind. Guys like Panchito, and Grant, Guinn and Harrison spring to mind. All are about everything you want in a fighter, ESPECIALLY HARRISON, but never made it and seemed not to have the desire to win.
Maybe I'll make a list a little later, I agree that most of those guys never fulfilled their potnetial but I wouldn't call them waste of talent. Especially Meldrick Taylor who was absolutely BROKE by Chavez. I can't hold that type of punishment against a guy.
Camacho could have been greater
Nunn could have been great
Andrew Golota ??
Actually the last two are great ones
Add on Camacho Jr
buster douglasQuote:
Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey
Ike Ibeabuchi
What a freaking shame
Quote:
Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
Sanchez = auto accident = waste? Huh? Let's distuinguish between self-indudecd waste and waste that could not be helped.
Im not saying it could be helped.. im saying he was wasted talent because he died very young which was very sad and he could of achieved much much more that is wasted talent because you never got to see his full potential.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ted The Bull
Seems a bit sick to include Mcclellan & Watson in this list, both went out in very unfortunate circumstances and both achieved a lot before being sadly injured. Its not like either of them got out of shape and messed up or lost through their own shortcomings. Both were great fighters who achieved a lot and who knows what else they could have done if it werent for their injuries. To me it just seems disrespectful to call them a waste of talent.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
Just about to post the same thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by beerjelly
Both men fought there heart out,almost to there death.If they were not injured so badly they could have both made improvements to there style and came back.
Also not sure about Meldrick Taylor.He alway came into fights in good shape and was willing to fight anyone at any weight.Remember his fight with Terry Norris.
He just did not get over his loss to JJC mentaly or phisicaly.But I dont think he ever wasted his talent.
Thanks for sc and again people jump without knowing what im trying to say and bit i put in bold is exactly what im trying to say they could of been great fighters if it wernt for injuries and why is it sick ?? im saying they could of been great if it wern't for there injury's am i saying it's there fault ?? no im not i respect both fighters and was cut up about what happened im saying they were wasted talents that could of been so much more but am i saying its anything to do with them ?? no im not so next time you say my statement is sick or disrespectful find out the whole story next time.Quote:
Originally Posted by beerjelly
Nawwww,I got what you were saying.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
Thats why I put up Boom Boom
He didnt mean for the Kim fight to happen that way
But it did
I agreed with your Terrible Tim
He didnt ask to get screwed by King
But he did
It was a waste of talent,in both cases
No one wrote Nas yet!?
I have still never seen footwork and power quite like his.. had he had more heart and bothered to come back properly after Barrera, he could have done it all....
Also , I kind of want to write about Roy Jones, because we all know he did probably have what it takes to become one of the greatest of all time (he probably is already one of them in some peoples eyes) , it's just that he could have fought even better opposition.
Note that i wrote, "even better" , because i still think he faced decent guys, just not guys good enough for his elite standard.
Dont know why Burleys there Okay he didnt win a world Title but he beat qiute a few who did, it was the times he lived in and a few other Black fighters had his problem. He wasnt with the mob. But even today good judges put him in the ATG top Ten its sad Robinson wouldnt go near him, but can understand why Archie Moore said he was the best fighter he had faced
I just hated the guyQuote:
Originally Posted by Poom
Loathed him,like I have never loathed a boxer.I often re-watch that last round and giggle
Sorry if you were a fan,but the taunting against easily beaten opponents was insufferable
How does a guy (Salvador Sanchez) who kills himself in a car crash make his way onto your list? Can not believe you left out Razor Ruddick and Tony Ayala.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
My sentiments as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Addicted to_boxing
CC 160 BoomBoom that's a great call on Nunn. Kind of contradicting my first post, but Nunn could have been one of the greatest fighters of all time imo. And he went to hiding in a dryer. Another boxing sad story but honestly, he was about as good of a fighter as there was.
John Mugabi did as well as he could with his talent. He was never a veryt good defensive fighter and it caught up with hoim. Of course, Hagler helped things along.
Donald Curry looked to have the world at his feet then came Honeyghan and bad management ............
By the way i dont concider Macho Comacho a great .
Mike Tyson could have dominated for years if he had trained
I dont like him but Joe Calzaghe has wasted his ovious talents fighting in a crappy division againest second rate fighters for to long.
Riddick Bowe wasted his talent i agree with this.
Duran blew up between fights which is bad for the body , and he still made it GREAT so how good would he have been with the dicipline of say Mike Mccallum :) or Hopkins ?
Because i can't remember every single boxer there is .... and read what i said on pages 1 and 2 im not repeating it again i've already said twice why i have Sanchez there but people don't bother to read it so i can't be bothered to type it 3rd time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Addicted to_boxing
Again Scrap i have already said i see it different waste of talent doesn't just mean that it has to mean one thing it can mean few things and Burley could of been much greater if he wern't ducked by all champions and actually most of casual fans never even heard of Burley and i'll be honest i had never heard of him either until i come here and imo not fair on Burley because he could of achieved much much more if it wern't for some suspect dealings in them days thats why im saying he is wasted talent because he could of been 2 times better if he wern't ducked by all champions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scrap
Personally ..although i know it wasnt a total waste...
Toney could have been one of the top all time greats imo with all that skill and power at middle and supermiddleweight...
If he had the discipline of someone like hopkins and was able to make 160 for as long as bernard did..
Then he could have been the unified champ and those few years when he slipped away after the loss to jones and fought for low key titles etc.. Could have been spent fighting great competition.. Benn, Eubank, tito at middle..Personally i would kill to see and in shape toney - Hopkins bout, could have fought winky taylor loads of fighters.. A proportion of those huge fights and great performances would have made him a superstar
Chris Eubank.
How is Eubank wasted talent he beat Benn he made 18 world title defenses i don't know how you class that as wasted talent he achieved most he could.Quote:
Originally Posted by WWatt
He was universally seen as a joke in the sport.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
He could have done sooo much more with himself.
How did I forget Lance Whittaker?
Riddick Bowe and Ike Ibeabuchi.
What a shitty way for Ibeabuchi to go out. Just coming off a brutal knockout of then undefeated Chris Byrd he gets put in the slammer. No one knows how far this guy could have went. He could have been the saviour of the HW division or he could have been a complete bust. We'll never know.
Joe Mesi,beats Williamson,Barrett,and Jirov
Loses his Nevada liscense,now he's stuck fighting guys like Dennis Mathews