Just read an advert for training at altitude on Mt tidi whats your views
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Just read an advert for training at altitude on Mt tidi whats your views
I never heard of the place.
I haven't seen any substantial evidence to support much benefit from training at higher altitude. I remember skiing in Colorodo for a week and I didn't see any noticable change when I got back down to sea level.
As for the altitude training I think there's some benifit if any, but a lot of it is just all in people's heads. It's just a more expensive placibo.
Anyways have you ever had any of your fighter's train at higher altitude Scrap?
Like you Im not a beleiver. It doesnt do any good. You have to live up there it helps in competing at altitude not at sea level Mt Tidi is 18000 ft and on the eqautor in the Atlantic of Africa its a place where athletes go for training. The reason they go because they dont get tested for drugs, thats the truth.
I like the reef Scrap. Great place to live and train in the winter if you keep away from the tourist places in the South. It's very mountainous but only Teide (about 12000ft) national park is what you would call real altitude. The hotel there is called the Parador (about 7000 ft) and is a bit of a shit hole with no facilities whatsoever, although good enough for a certain Mr Armstrong - probably because the roads are very good and there are no UCI dope testers within a few thousand miles. Also, the weather's good and the sun's always out above the clouds.
They must be trying to promote it for athletes and take some of the business away from Lanzarote where a lot of triathletes and cyclists go - focusing on the altitude training on Teide because Lanzarote doesn't have high mountains. I think training at altitude does stress the system more but whether the effects last in to a competitive season at sea level I'm not sure. As you wrote Scrap probably only helps if your training to acclimatise and compete at altitude.
The Anaga national park in the North is a great place - very rugged, mountainous and rural. Cheap to live there too. Perfect for skint athletes with poor funding. :)
How many world records have been broken at high altitudes. I bet you there are none. The fact is, although your body acclimates, it can't produce the same intensity on less oxygen.
If you have a scheduled competition at a higher altitudes then it does make sense to get there a week or so early so that your body can adapt to those conditions. Otherwise there's more benefit in training at a higher intensity at sea level than the lower intensity at altitude.
I heard one idea that's supposed to be a win-win. Suppose the athlete trains at sea level, and sleeps at high altitudes. Then he will be able to have the benefits that come from the acclimation, and the intensity of training at low altitudes. I haven't heard of anyone carrying this idea out, but if it doesn't cause any bad side effects effects then it's worth investigating for those with the means.
It's called hypoxic training Chris. Specially designed tents in which athletes sleep simulate different oxygen concentration conditions.
And I've heard a lot of endurance athletes using them, particulary bicyclists. I don't see any reason a boxer shouldn't use it as long as their health checks out.
There was alot of record times below 400 metres in the Mexico Olympics over that nothing
Maybe I was getting ahead of myself, but what if you went even higher elevations like 10,000ft+. I'm sure it would it would have an impact.
Very interesting Scrap. I wonder if the lesser effect of gravity at that altitude contributed to these times or if the drugs just got better.
it must've been the sparkling mexico city water. ;D
Md they put it down to gravity also all the throwing events records were broken Jessi Owens record went and remember Bob Beeman long jump I didnt think he was going to come down.
That's interesting. I didn't think that gravity would have had as large an impact.
Whats Mexico City above sea level 8,ooo ft
I think it's closer to 7600 ft, but yeah I see it does help. Hey Scrap, do you recall any boxing matches that took place there, besides the '68 Olympics?
Qiute a few, talking about altitude Ive a feeling that most Mexican greats lived above 6,000 ft Id like to know hence there good stamina must be full off red blood cells like the Kenyan runners.
I remember Rafael Marquez trained at high altitude when preparing to fight Manny Pacquiao. I'm still not sold on the idea of short-term altitude training, but I wonder how high a red cell count many Mexican fighters have.
Do know if Julio Cesar Chavez trained/lived at such an altitude. He had stamina on par with Marvin Hagler, but I wonder if his red cell count was higher. I don't know it'd make a difference though.
It certainly does
I wonder if there's been much recent work on finding out the optimum altitude and climate to live at and to train at for best results.
md Ill try and find out Tomorrow Id be interested to know
Ive noticed 1,000 ft up a rock face your attension to detail seems to get better. ;D ;D ;D
Hey meticulous is wonderful. I'd like to know about that too. I live about 1100 ft above sea level.
I spent 2 weeks in a Kenyan running camp in New Mexico. Came home fitter despite being laid off for some of that time with a massive blister, sick and spending way too much time in airports (wouldn't recommend united Airline for any internation flights). The impression I got was the higher the better and I'd do it once a year if i could afford it - just for aerobic fitness. Obviously there's a lot more to boxing than just aerobic fitness and I'm not sure how high this particular place you're talking about is but needs to be pretty high to be relevant I think.
That's neat in a fun running with Kenyas sort of way.
Anyways how's your knee treating you lately Shar?
What were the Kenyans doing in New Mexico Im interested to know
I heard there's a marathon held every year in mexico city. Apparenty the Kenyens are prominent in most large marathon events. Since the altitude is high elevation it'd make sense to see them training there.
My knee didn't like me last week and when I went water running I could see why since I have more muscle atrophy than I thought - left foot flops around in the water with very little control compared to the right - despite the fact that my right foot has always been 'floppy' (it waves to the crowd but isn't a problem :) since I have excess laxity in one of my foot ligaments.
I spent the long weekend with friend in the country getting fat and have an MRI tomorrow morning. I saw a surgeon last week who said that surgery is a last resort and often makes knees worse. He also said I've done all the right things but these things can be difficult. I've decided I'll try to combat the muscle atrophy which must be effecting my boxing anyway and hope that it'll come good then. Of course if they can see something clearly in the MRI that'll be great but I'm not holding my breath.
They didn't test me on an isokinetic machine despite guessing that my quadricep angle is 15 degrees or more (they didn't measure it but guessed it). The theory is that it's been so long that there must be more to it otherwise it would have fixed itself.
I've decided I'm not finished running yet but my knee may take a little while longer to forgive me for the way I abused it - hopefully not more than another 6 months.
The Kenyans live there since they can make more money running in the states than in Kenya. They flew all over the place and worked part time jobs to supplement their running income then they send a lot of their money home to their families. I met some of them at the gala dinner of a marathon I competed in and kept in contact and was then invited over.
It's fun running with them except your lungs bleed :)
(or they feel like you do and the air is cold compared to what I'm used to so you get a little minor nose bleeding)
There's nothing like a little blood in your lungs after a good hard day to show you that you're a warrior.
Anyways 'atrophy' doesn't sound good to me at all. It sounds like your muscle is telling you that it needs all your spare attention, and at the same time it's trying to catch up.
It's just a matter of time and you doing all the right things. You hang tough Sharla, and try not to run with any hardcore Kenyan until your knee is ripe and healthy.
It's too bad that I'm not a hotshot trainer or a lifesaving MD, but I'm here for you if you need any advice.
Thanks Chris :)
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Originally Posted by Chris N.
I've just checked the altitude I live at 2.3m - 4.8m give or take 0.3m on a calm day depending on the tide and a wain moon. ;D
You meticulous bastard. ;D
So, I have to chime in and say that yes, training at altitudes does benefit you. With less oxygen, your body adapts.
Also, there is an effect on performance. Look at Coors Field in Denver, CO. Baseballs fly out of that park like no other.
Why do you suppose planes fly at 30,000ft? It aint for the scenery.
Yep, less gravity, less wind resistance. The only downside I can think of is even though your body adapts to become more oxygen efficient, you can't train at the same intensity, that's all.
To be more economic with fuel maybe?Quote:
Originally Posted by Von Milash
The scientific data for optimum altitude training is fairly sparse. Probably due to the fact that the adaptations are subjective and genetics has a role to play. Doesn't mean that it doesn't work though.
Very true md,I think genetics is the prime influence. I remember having lengthy discussions with Peter Coe on the subject many moons ago. Seb preperatoin was done a few times in Switzerland, but I dont think he was to keen after the initial trials. Having climbed in the Himalayas, the fitness preperation was the three week walk in it was always a killer. For the Sherpas it was a day out. All had healthy spleens thats for sure through I assume Genetics. Look where the good middle and long distance runners come from now ,men and women. plus Im told the Kenyans are coached by the East Germans, you cant win
Bruno,Nelson,Benn and Nicky Cook have all trained at altitude in the Tenerife mountains,i always thought it expanded your lung capacity. ???
Smash, they do or have, been there myself. But I bet they havent got a clue how to benifit from it. Its in its infancy how it works at 3,000 metres or above. The russians are the leaders in the field, theres some good work being done at the moment called Intermitant Hypoxie Treatment, theres theories but not many facts. It helps you release Nitric oxide quicker by capillery attraction is one theyre looking at one of my mates is doing a study at the moment, I will find the results interesting.
Going way back to my GCSE PE exams ;D I think an increased lung capacity allows more oxygen into the blood stream thus giving the athlete more energy and endurance which would be crucial in the latter rounds of a tough bout :)
My missus is p*ssing herself (just read the above)
hahaha ;D ;D
True Smash, but there are ways of doing it. Theyve found you can be up 3, ,000 metres for an hour a day and the theory is timing when the benefit will occur usualy 3 weeks after the bodys got over the shock, The better test of whats happening is the Oxygen tent where it can be monitered, sleeping in one at night seeing whats happening to nytrogen outtake interesting