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CC 186 bro! interesting REAL TALK there
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CC 186 bro! interesting REAL TALK there
especially the weight issue... I hadn't looked at it that way.
I think Mosley as a sparring partner for Oscar is a very important element. "I'm probably the closest thing fighting to Mayweather right now, so it will be a good advantage for Oscar to work with me. I will get some fight tapes and study Mayweather and his style. I will be able to imitate him and help Oscar dismantle Mayweather." "This is for Oscar's benefit. I will not try to outshine Oscar because this is not about me. I'm going to do what I can do to imitate Mayweather. I will make it difficult for Oscar to hit me, like Mayweather will."
http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/box...dan&id=2792836
According to Mosley him and Mayweather have had a lot of the same sparring partners and they told Shane that he is faster!! ;)
http://forums.doghouseboxing.com/ind...howtopic=99644
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I'll just bump this up once for the Saddoboxing contingant of Floyd's Fan Cub ;)
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I'll just bump this up once for the Saddoboxing contingant of Floyd's Fan Cub ;)
I am not in the Floyd fanclub, but I am in the fuck Oscar club. But as we get closer to the fight I am getting nervous, Oscar looked super sharp against Mayorga.
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I'll just bump this up once for the Saddoboxing contingant of Floyd's Fan Cub ;)
I am not in the Floyd fanclub, but I am in the F*** Oscar club. But as we get closer to the fight I am getting nervous, Oscar looked super sharp against Mayorga.
Against Mayorga that doesn't count for much though. All I took out of that fight was that Oscar was letting both hands go. He moved straight forward and looked easy to hit. :(
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I'll just bump this up once for the Saddoboxing contingant of Floyd's Fan Cub ;)
I am not in the Floyd fanclub, but I am in the F*** Oscar club. But as we get closer to the fight I am getting nervous, Oscar looked super sharp against Mayorga.
Against Mayorga that doesn't count for much though. All I took out of that fight was that Oscar was letting both hands go. He moved straight forward and looked easy to hit. :(
Very true. I thought Mayorga was shot after Trinidad but that does not take away the fact that Oscar was walking through his punches, he showed Mayorga's power no respect at all, shot or not Mayorga hits harder than PBF. But Oscar will come no where close to hitting PBF as much as he did Vargas.
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I'll just bump this up once for the Saddoboxing contingant of Floyd's Fan Cub ;)
I am not in the Floyd fanclub, but I am in the F*** Oscar club. But as we get closer to the fight I am getting nervous, Oscar looked super sharp against Mayorga.
Against Mayorga that doesn't count for much though. All I took out of that fight was that Oscar was letting both hands go. He moved straight forward and looked easy to hit. :(
Very true. I thought Mayorga was shot after Trinidad but that does not take away the fact that Oscar was walking through his punches, he showed Mayorga's power no respect at all, shot or not Mayorga hits harder than PBF. But Oscar will come no where close to hitting PBF as much as he did Vargas.
The outcome might be determined by the effectiveness of Oscar's jab. We saw how well it nullified Mosley's speed in their second fight.
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true, but theres a couple angles one must view this upcoming fight, i do agree there are various similiarities to SSM vs oscar as well, but. SSM vs Oscar was fight in which both of these guys was in their PRIME PRIME and both brought it that night! Oscar is in no way near in the same form as he was when he fought SSM that night.
also another factor which we can not determine at this time is that SSM was strong/powerful/fast enough to dominate Oscar. we know PBF is def faster than oscar, but we'll he have the power to dominate Oscar as SSM did? will Oscar be able to walk thru or atleast eat PBF's best???? i think thats what will make it interesting and we'll have to plainly wait and see on that one?
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CC 186 bro! interesting REAL TALK there
especially the weight issue... I hadn't looked at it that way.
I think Mosley as a sparring partner for Oscar is a very important element. "I'm probably the closest thing fighting to Mayweather right now, so it will be a good advantage for Oscar to work with me. I will get some fight tapes and study Mayweather and his style. I will be able to imitate him and help Oscar dismantle Mayweather." "This is for Oscar's benefit. I will not try to outshine Oscar because this is not about me. I'm going to do what I can do to imitate Mayweather. I will make it difficult for Oscar to hit me, like Mayweather will."
http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/box...dan&id=2792836
According to Mosley him and Mayweather have had a lot of the same sparring partners and they told Shane that he is faster!! ;)
http://forums.doghouseboxing.com/ind...howtopic=99644
The weight issue is complete crap imo. Mayweather is NOT bigger than De La Hoya, thats the stupidiest thing I've ever heard!
FLoyd is 5 ft 7 1/2 , Oscar is getting on for 5 ft 11 in so I suppose Mayweather has naturally heavier bones as well then does he ::**
Oscar weighing 165 lbs is right where he wants to be. He's already at his weight limit now, a hard workout in a sweat suit and a skipped meal prior to the weigh in will have him comfortably stepping onto the scales at 154 lb or less.
He will then rehydrate and come into the fight at about 170 lbs around 10 lbs heavier than Floyd on the night, perfect planning.
I still don't think he will win as Floyd is just the better boxer but it will have absolutely nothing at all to do with Floyd having more lean muscle tissue or being the naturally bigger man ::**
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bilbo my boy, u really think lean muscle aint that big of a factor huh? u obviously dont recall Oscar's "LEAN" muscle when he fought Sturm then LOL ;D
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bilbo my boy, u really think lean muscle aint that big of a factor huh? u obviously dont recall Oscar's "LEAN" muscle when he fought Sturm then LOL ;D
Lol,
Yeah but there is a difference in being musclar and just being plain out of shape; Oscar wasn't at anywhere near his physical best for the Sturm fight, he looked..well not as bad as James Toney but a bit of a porker certainly.
He's going to be totally in shape for the Mayweather fight. Whether he has less muscle than Floyd is completely and utterly irrelevent.
Jeff Lacy had more lean muscle than anyone at 168 but it did nothing at all for him against Calzaghe, who to my eyes at least has virtually no muscle whatsoever.
Oscar WILL be bigger and stonger than Mayweather on fight night, whether his lean muscle mass index is lower or not.
It still won't make a difference imo but honestly anyone who thinks Floyd will win based on some bullshit purely subjective visual guess that he is naturally more muscular is just a moron.
If that was the case then K9 Bundrage should clean up in his division within the year and porky looking Miguel Cotto should be absolutely outclassed and destroyed by the far more ripped Zab Judah when they fight later in the year ::**
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bilbo my boy, u really think lean muscle aint that big of a factor huh? u obviously dont recall Oscar's "LEAN" muscle when he fought Sturm then LOL ;D
It still won't make a difference imo but honestly anyone who thinks Floyd will win based on some bullshit purely subjective visual guess that he is naturally more muscular is just a moron.
Bilbo are you guilty of commenting on a topic without reading the full article? ^-^
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will Oscar be able to walk thru or atleast eat PBF's best????
there is no doubt in my mind at all!!. If Floyd is so talented at 147 he would of caught and hurt Zab.
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CC 186 bro! interesting REAL TALK there
especially the weight issue... I hadn't looked at it that way.
I think Mosley as a sparring partner for Oscar is a very important element. "I'm probably the closest thing fighting to Mayweather right now, so it will be a good advantage for Oscar to work with me. I will get some fight tapes and study Mayweather and his style. I will be able to imitate him and help Oscar dismantle Mayweather." "This is for Oscar's benefit. I will not try to outshine Oscar because this is not about me. I'm going to do what I can do to imitate Mayweather. I will make it difficult for Oscar to hit me, like Mayweather will."
http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/box...dan&id=2792836
According to Mosley him and Mayweather have had a lot of the same sparring partners and they told Shane that he is faster!! ;)
http://forums.doghouseboxing.com/ind...howtopic=99644
Yeah can Mosley give a name of one of those sparring partners? There is no way Mosley is faster than Mayweather especially now. Also Mosley can't box like Mayweather, but I agree his speed will help prepare Oscar for FLoyd's.
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will Oscar be able to walk thru or atleast eat PBF's best????
there is no doubt in my mind at all!!. If Floyd is so talented at 147 he would of caught and hurt Zab.
He did several times. Especially as it got closer and closer to Zab cheap shotting him. At one point he hit Zab to the body, and then used a hook to the head which really hurt Zab, and him not hurting Zab was two things. 1. His gloves, 2. His lack of punching power.
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will Oscar be able to walk thru or atleast eat PBF's best????
there is no doubt in my mind at all!!. If Floyd is so talented at 147 he would of caught and hurt Zab.
2. His lack of punching power.
;) and that could be his undoing.
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bilbo my boy, u really think lean muscle aint that big of a factor huh? u obviously dont recall Oscar's "LEAN" muscle when he fought Sturm then LOL ;D
It still won't make a difference imo but honestly anyone who thinks Floyd will win based on some bullshit purely subjective visual guess that he is naturally more muscular is just a moron.
Bilbo are you guilty of commenting on a topic without reading the full article? ^-^
Nah I read the whole article but it was the muscularity thing that really bothered me, mainly because its complete and utter bullshit.
Natural muscularity really doesn't have a great impact on boxing. A fighter needs to be in great shape but that doesn't necessarily follow that he must be muscular. Look at Calzaghe, barely any muscle on him and he's awesome, Cotto's physique certainly has more endomorph than mesomorph but he's strong as an ox for his weight. De La Hoya has never been a naturally muscular fighter but its never played a part in any of his fights ever.
Can you name one fight in history where the commentator has said 'He lost because the other guy was more naturally muscular than him'. ???
It's just an absolutely absurd suggestion and well worthy of coming from EastsideBoxing.com :P
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bilbo my boy, u really think lean muscle aint that big of a factor huh? u obviously dont recall Oscar's "LEAN" muscle when he fought Sturm then LOL ;D
It still won't make a difference imo but honestly anyone who thinks Floyd will win based on some bullshit purely subjective visual guess that he is naturally more muscular is just a moron.
Bilbo are you guilty of commenting on a topic without reading the full article? ^-^
Nah I read the whole article but it was the muscularity thing that really bothered me, mainly because its complete and utter bullshit.
Natural muscularity really doesn't have a great impact on boxing. A fighter needs to be in great shape but that doesn't necessarily follow that he must be muscular. Look at Calzaghe, barely any muscle on him and he's awesome, Cotto's physique certainly has more endomorph than mesomorph but he's strong as an ox for his weight. De La Hoya has never been a naturally muscular fighter but its never played a part in any of his fights ever.
Can you name one fight in history where the commentator has said 'He lost because the other guy was more naturally muscular than him'. ???
It's just an absolutely absurd suggestion and well worthy of coming from EastsideBoxing.com :P
point taken. :)
I just found it interesting but don't imagine in my wildest dreams it would have any bearing on the outcome. ;)
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I actually haven't seen the fights of mayweather but i've seen how mosley defeated de la hoya before. If mosley is not as good and as fast as mayweather then definitely oscar will lose via decision.
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The most convincing point of that article was that DLH has a history of losing energy towards the end of the fight and losing a lot of weight coming up to the weigh in could be a problem.
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I'll just bump this up once for the Saddoboxing contingant of Floyd's Fan Cub ;)
I am not in the Floyd fanclub, but I am in the F*** Oscar club. But as we get closer to the fight I am getting nervous, Oscar looked super sharp against Mayorga.
Against Mayorga that doesn't count for much though. All I took out of that fight was that Oscar was letting both hands go. He moved straight forward and looked easy to hit. :(
Very true. I thought Mayorga was shot after Trinidad but that does not take away the fact that Oscar was walking through his punches, he showed Mayorga's power no respect at all, shot or not Mayorga hits harder than PBF. But Oscar will come no where close to hitting PBF as much as he did Vargas.
The outcome might be determined by the effectiveness of Oscar's jab. We saw how well it nullified Mosley's speed in their second fight.
bump..
"I read that Angelo Dundee predicts Oscar to win convincingly. Dundee feels that size and styles favors Oscar. Dundee is as smart of a boxing expert as there has ever been. Angelo thinks that Floyd will run into Oscar’s jab, and then the big left hook, when he tries to carry the fight to Oscar."
3rd April H20 Man's Journal .
hmm... :scratchchin:
just a little more food for thought
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I don't care if you believe me or not but here it is OSCAR de la Hoya is using someone Faster and as skillfull or better that PBF as a sparring partner, I won't say who maybe after the fight, It all depends how you react to my comments. I'm not saying he will win every fighter has their own style and mind you can just try to imitate to help the other to prepare.
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Been saying it all along, since Day One. I want Floyd to win, but I would put my money on Oscar. It's been pre-ordained. PBF has ZERO punching power at 154, and Oscar can afford to take more chances and press the fight. If PBF runs all night, Oscar will get the UD.
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I don't care if you believe me or not but here it is OSCAR de la Hoya is using someone Faster and as skillfull or better that PBF as a sparring partner, I won't say who maybe after the fight, It all depends how you react to my comments. I'm not saying he will win every fighter has their own style and mind you can just try to imitate to help the other to prepare.
Ooooooookay then so Oscar has hired an unknown sparring partner whose faster, more skilful and better then Floyd ???
Why the fuck isn't HE fighting Floyd then? ::**
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I don't care if you believe me or not but here it is OSCAR de la Hoya is using someone Faster and as skillfull or better that PBF as a sparring partner, I won't say who maybe after the fight, It all depends how you react to my comments. I'm not saying he will win every fighter has their own style and mind you can just try to imitate to help the other to prepare.
Ooooooookay then so Oscar has hired an unknown sparring partner whose faster, more skilful and better then Floyd ???
Why the F*** isn't HE fighting Floyd then? ::**
I can't believe you responded to that ;D I assumed he was trying to be funny, either that or he is behind on some reading and is referring to Mosley.
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CC 186 bro! interesting REAL TALK there
especially the weight issue... I hadn't looked at it that way.
I think Mosley as a sparring partner for Oscar is a very important element. "I'm probably the closest thing fighting to Mayweather right now, so it will be a good advantage for Oscar to work with me. I will get some fight tapes and study Mayweather and his style. I will be able to imitate him and help Oscar dismantle Mayweather." "This is for Oscar's benefit. I will not try to outshine Oscar because this is not about me. I'm going to do what I can do to imitate Mayweather. I will make it difficult for Oscar to hit me, like Mayweather will."
http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/box...dan&id=2792836
According to Mosley him and Mayweather have had a lot of the same sparring partners and they told Shane that he is faster!! ;)
http://forums.doghouseboxing.com/ind...howtopic=99644
The weight issue is complete crap imo. Mayweather is NOT bigger than De La Hoya, thats the stupidiest thing I've ever heard!
FLoyd is 5 ft 7 1/2 , Oscar is getting on for 5 ft 11 in so I suppose Mayweather has naturally heavier bones as well then does he ::**
Oscar weighing 165 lbs is right where he wants to be. He's already at his weight limit now, a hard workout in a sweat suit and a skipped meal prior to the weigh in will have him comfortably stepping onto the scales at 154 lb or less.
He will then rehydrate and come into the fight at about 170 lbs around 10 lbs heavier than Floyd on the night, perfect planning.
I still don't think he will win as Floyd is just the better boxer but it will have absolutely nothing at all to do with Floyd having more lean muscle tissue or being the naturally bigger man ::**
Mayweather is 5'8, and Oscar is 5'10 1/2, but anyways I agree that there is no way Mayweather has more muscle or is stronger than Oscar. The only muscle he may have more of is quick twitch fibers. However I think Mayweather is too quick, and too consistant for Oscar to beat. MAyweather is far better against the jab than MOsley, and he has a better defense than Mosley which will make him harder to hit. My question mark is can Mayweather deal with Oscar's power because he will be hit at one point or another during this fight.
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LOL i'm for real. Bare with me just wait until the fight or at least close to that.
The boxer is a world champ. RJJ, Floyd, B-Hop talk great things about the guy.
I live in PR and I have friends in the boxing bussines so it means I have my sources that 95% of the time they have been Correct. So is this is wrong then my source was wrong but he is not the type of person who talked crap just for talking. This mysterious sparring partner is quicker than him and about the skill be more than Floyd that is my honest opinion and of course you can have a diffrent one. I share this info with some of our forum members and they understand and keep it to them because I ask them. I just post that because i'm bored at the moment and I'm trying to find a reason to say who is is guy but my source told me that it was suppose to be a secret since you know how Oscar is so secretly when he is training. 
Is this true? is so insteresting if it is.
Oh and is not Manny
Hey cutmemick send a PM!!
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LOL i'm for real. Bare with me just wait until the fight or at least close to that.
The boxer is a world champ. RJJ, Floyd, B-Hop talk great things about the guy.
I live in PR and I have friends in the boxing bussines so it means I have my sources that 95% of the time they have been Correct. So is this is wrong then my source was wrong but he is not the type of person who talked crap just for talking. This mysterious sparring partner is quicker than him and about the skill be more than Floyd that is my honest opinion and of course you can have a diffrent one. I share this info with some of our forum members and they understand and keep it to them because I ask them. I just post that because i'm bored at the moment and I'm trying to find a reason to say who is is guy but my source told me that it was suppose to be a secret since you know how Oscar is so secretly when he is training.
Is this true? is so insteresting if it is.
Oh and is not Manny
Hey cutmemick send a PM!!
Well we already know Mosely is sparring with him, thats public knowledge. Correct me if I'm wrong but I can't think of any fighter in the world who is quicker than Mayweather and Mosely?
The only world champ I can think of that comes close is Cory Spinks but he's hardly faster than Mayweather or more skilful now is he? ???
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Come on Bilboman don't get desperate. Oh fuck it ..the guy is not in their weight class Oscar is using him because of his incredible speed and boxing ability. I admit is crazy but hey anything to train for a win.
Remember this info came to me from a guy whose rummors are like 95% of the time are truth but that doesn't mean that his info is always from big fights or very inportant stuff. HE just told me two weeeks ago. and I said to him "no fucking way" and then he said "I couldn't believe it either but is true" if this info is a false well too bad but if it is true is a very interesting way to prepare for a fight.
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Come on Bilboman don't get desperate. Oh F*** it ..the guy is not in their weight class Oscar is using him because of his incredible speed and boxing ability. I admit is crazy but hey anything to train for a win.
Remember this info came to me from a guy whose rummors are like 95% of the time are truth but that doesn't mean that his info is always from big fights or very inportant stuff. HE just told me two weeeks ago. and I said to him "no F****** way" and then he said "I couldn't believe it either but is true" if this info is a false well too bad but if it is true is a very interesting way to prepare for a fight.
Well if I'm not mistaken Golden Boy are involved with Guzman (who is fighting in May), Barrera or Marquez maybe? If you are for real then my money would be on JMM. 8)
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bilbo my boy, u really think lean muscle aint that big of a factor huh? u obviously dont recall Oscar's "LEAN" muscle when he fought Sturm then LOL ;D
It still won't make a difference imo but honestly anyone who thinks Floyd will win based on some bullshit purely subjective visual guess that he is naturally more muscular is just a moron.
Bilbo are you guilty of commenting on a topic without reading the full article? ^-^
Nah I read the whole article but it was the muscularity thing that really bothered me, mainly because its complete and utter bullshit.
Natural muscularity really doesn't have a great impact on boxing. A fighter needs to be in great shape but that doesn't necessarily follow that he must be muscular. Look at Calzaghe, barely any muscle on him and he's awesome, Cotto's physique certainly has more endomorph than mesomorph but he's strong as an ox for his weight. De La Hoya has never been a naturally muscular fighter but its never played a part in any of his fights ever.
Can you name one fight in history where the commentator has said 'He lost because the other guy was more naturally muscular than him'. ???
It's just an absolutely absurd suggestion and well worthy of coming from EastsideBoxing.com :P
Hahaha ;D I porper laughed out loud at that last line.
Very good point Bill. ;)
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Come on Bilboman don't get desperate. Oh F*** it ..the guy is not in their weight class Oscar is using him because of his incredible speed and boxing ability. I admit is crazy but hey anything to train for a win.
Remember this info came to me from a guy whose rummors are like 95% of the time are truth but that doesn't mean that his info is always from big fights or very inportant stuff. HE just told me two weeeks ago. and I said to him "no F****** way" and then he said "I couldn't believe it either but is true" if this info is a false well too bad but if it is true is a very interesting way to prepare for a fight.
It could not be the PACMAN. He is the only one I know who has both speed and ability.hehehehe.
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LOL
"Red Sauce on Pasta" WTF
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LOL
"Red Sauce on Pasta" WTF
;) Cant have it any other way mate ;D
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bilbo my boy, u really think lean muscle aint that big of a factor huh? u obviously dont recall Oscar's "LEAN" muscle when he fought Sturm then LOL ;D
It still won't make a difference imo but honestly anyone who thinks Floyd will win based on some bullshit purely subjective visual guess that he is naturally more muscular is just a moron.
Bilbo are you guilty of commenting on a topic without reading the full article? ^-^
Nah I read the whole article but it was the muscularity thing that really bothered me, mainly because its complete and utter bullshit.
Natural muscularity really doesn't have a great impact on boxing. A fighter needs to be in great shape but that doesn't necessarily follow that he must be muscular. Look at Calzaghe, barely any muscle on him and he's awesome, Cotto's physique certainly has more endomorph than mesomorph but he's strong as an ox for his weight. De La Hoya has never been a naturally muscular fighter but its never played a part in any of his fights ever.
Can you name one fight in history where the commentator has said 'He lost because the other guy was more naturally muscular than him'. ???
It's just an absolutely absurd suggestion and well worthy of coming from EastsideBoxing.com :P
Hahaha ;D I porper laughed out loud at that last line.
Very good point Bill. ;)
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lol :coolclick: returned, what was funny is that I wrote the comment about it coming from Eastsideboxing BEFORE I checked and posted it up. After I posted it I though I best to check the article again to be sure it came from Eastside.........sure enough ::**
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LOL
"Red Sauce on Pasta" WTF
;) Cant have it any other way mate ;D
yes mate i am loving that red sauce on pasta thing. quality ;D awesome movie aswell.
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I don't care if you believe me or not but here it is OSCAR de la Hoya is using someone Faster and as skillfull or better that PBF as a sparring partner, I won't say who maybe after the fight, It all depends how you react to my comments. I'm not saying he will win every fighter has their own style and mind you can just try to imitate to help the other to prepare.
I guess my source once again delivered the truth. about couple days ago local papers here in Puerto Rico reveal that Oscar is actually using the person I describe. His name is Ivan "Iron Boy" Calderon.
http://www.boxnews.com.ua/photos/700...20Calderon.jpg
And here is a good article on him by ESPN http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/box...ory?id=2630173.
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CC 186 bro! interesting REAL TALK there
especially the weight issue... I hadn't looked at it that way.
I think Mosley as a sparring partner for Oscar is a very important element. "I'm probably the closest thing fighting to Mayweather right now, so it will be a good advantage for Oscar to work with me. I will get some fight tapes and study Mayweather and his style. I will be able to imitate him and help Oscar dismantle Mayweather." "This is for Oscar's benefit. I will not try to outshine Oscar because this is not about me. I'm going to do what I can do to imitate Mayweather. I will make it difficult for Oscar to hit me, like Mayweather will."
http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/box...dan&id=2792836
According to Mosley him and Mayweather have had a lot of the same sparring partners and they told Shane that he is faster!! ;)
http://forums.doghouseboxing.com/ind...howtopic=99644
Yeah can Mosley give a name of one of those sparring partners? There is no way Mosley is faster than Mayweather especially now. Also Mosley can't box like Mayweather, but I agree his speed will help prepare Oscar for FLoyd's.
Yeah, I agree with you. Shane has fast feet and fast hands and can throw some very fast flurries but Mayweather's speed is different, it's effective speed and amazing muscle reflexes. There's a total difference. I venture to say that if there could be some type of measurement for head and upper body movement that Floyd would be almost twice as fast as Mosley. Shane is fast on offense but he's no where near Mayweather in terms of defensive speed and elusiveness. Shane can get his offense off very fast but he also gets hit quite a bit. I think this is where ODLH will have problems with Floyd like everyone else has. Floyd isn't overwhelmingly unstoppable on offense but when you try to return and answer his punches, he's just extremely hard to find. Floyd doesn't have to use his speed around the ring, Floyd can sit in the pocket in the middle of the ring and he's hard to hit, Floyd can sit on the ropes, and he's hard to hit. Oscar can train with whoever he wants to throw as many jabs as he wants but he better be prepared to defend himself from right hand leads and pull counters after throwing each jab. Oscar is training to fight a smart fight where he can capitalize on Floyd's mistakes but Floyd doesn't make that many and his supreme boxing ability allows him to get by on the small mistakes that he does.
"Pretty Boy" Floyd Mayweather vs Ricky "Hitman" Hatton ~ December 2007
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Re: Why De La Hoya Won't Win...
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I'll just bump this up once for the Saddoboxing contingant of Floyd's Fan Cub ;)
I am not in the Floyd fanclub, but I am in the F*** Oscar club. But as we get closer to the fight I am getting nervous, Oscar looked super sharp against Mayorga.
Against Mayorga that doesn't count for much though. All I took out of that fight was that Oscar was letting both hands go. He moved straight forward and looked easy to hit. :(
Agreed with Hairdoo here.
If you want to bet against Oscar...don't do so based on the Mayorga fight. Mayorga's a glorified club fighter with one or two names on his record & more legit losses than wins.
If I were to have to make a comparison...I'd say this pulls in close to the Mosley fights.
I think that this is going to be more of a fight than most do...I think that Oscar's gonna bring the heat...but again...Floyd's alot more active, accurate, & accomplished than a Mayorga...so Oscar won't be able to land as frequently as he did against Chump-orga.
Floyd sure as shit won't hang his chin out there & act like a gotdam numbskull all night...you can bet your asses on that.
