Wacko's Drunken Re-Cap of Clottey vs Corrales. Is this the end of Corrales? Vote

So it’s Tuesday night…& the wife has said no to the booty…so with nothing else on hand…Wacko has tuned in to the replay of Corrales vs. Clottey.

With this match well under hand & already played out…I have but one question to ask…and this question?

Is Corrales headed for journeyman status?

I think so.

Here’s the way I saw it:


Corrales vs. Clotty Round 1: Here we go. Corrales & Clottey come out jabbing. Corrales moving & shaking…but Clottey more effective. Left hook and right by Clottey. Sharpish. Corrales eats em well. Corrales to the body. Left hooks by Clottey. Corrales warned for going low. Corrales with a combo. Heavy body work by Clottey. Right by Clottey. Corrales is hurt! Corrales holds & then goes down. It’s a slip.


Corrales vs. Clotty Round 2: Corrales comes out jabbing & Clottey answers with the same. Corrales staying more center ring and has reduced his movement. Right to the body Body work by Corrales. 1-2-3 by Clottey. Corrales pushes Clottey to the ropes with a left hook up top. Clottey hammering Corrales all over the ring. Left to the body by Clottey. Clottey upstairs wioth a vicious combo. Heavy handed uppercut by Clottey on the insside. Clottey’s totally in control. Clottey rallies & lands 2-3 left hooks. Right uppercuts fro Clotty. Corrales felt that shit!!!

Corrales vs. Clottey Round 3-5 = Brief intermission.

Sorry people…a man’s gotta do what a man’s gotta do.

We back!!! Unsuccesful at doing what a man’s gotta do.

Corrales vs. Clotty Round 6: Clottey still slugging it out shoulder to shoulder & Corrales just eating uppers. Right hand rocks Corrales & he seems totally outmatched. Corrales firing combos but Clottey takes them in stride. Jab from Corrales. Uppers from Clottey. Corrales wobbles as the ref jumps in to end the round.

Corrales vs. Clottey Round 7: Corrales comes out jabbing & eats oine from Clotty. Clench. Right & left hook from Corrales. Body shots by Clottey. This is a shoulder to shoulder bout. Right from Corrales. Left hook from Clottey. 1-2 from Clottey. Left hook from Corrales. 1-2-3 from Clottey. Shoulder to shoulder still. Ref breaks. Uppers from both. Clottey more effective. Corrales lands a straight right. Clottey fires in hard with a 1-2/ Cprrles seems to be coming on. Shoulder to shoulder again & body work from both. Clench. Left hook to the body followed by a right from Clottey. Clench to the bell. Clottey hammers home some nice left & right hoooks to the bell.

Corrales vs. Clottey Round 8: Corrales comes out swinging. Clotty taking shots & giving right left hooks back. Clench. Corrales seems to be tired. Body shot from Corrales & a huge left hook from Clottey. Shoulder to shoulder & they trade body & uppers. Clench. Uppers on the inside from Corrales. Nice right hand from Clottey. 1-2 from Clottey. Right hand from Corrales. Left hoook from Clottey. Wack! Gotdam that had to hurt!!! Both men exchange hooks & Clottey come out ahead. Nice 4 punch combo from Clottey. Corrales is hurt. He felt that. Right hand from Corrales. Upper from Corrales& Clottey tees off on him. Right hand & then a left hook & once agvain Coorrales is hurt.

Corrales vs. Clottey Round 9: Clottey first to throw. Shoulder to shoulder again. Clottey comes on strong. Corrales winging his shots. No effect. Clottey pushes him off. Clench. Clottey holding. Body shots from Corrales. Clottey holds. Right hook from Clottey. Clecnh again. Clottey hammers him with a right & a left & down goes Corrales on a push. Corrales was hurt though. Corrales comes out holding. Clottey comes in with his head. Body shots by Corrales. Clottey hammers him again & down he goes & out comes the mouth piece. Typical Corrales. Clottey jumps on him again & hammers him viciously . He made the bell. He got lucky.

Corrales vs. Clottey Round 10: Corrales is cut & bloodied & wasted. Final round. They touch gloves. Clottey throws & Corrales holds. Shoulder to shoulder they trade. Again, lightening combos from Clottey & Corrales just easts them. Left hand hammers Corrales. Left hook again. He’s wide open. Upper from Clottey. Corrales is throwing…but nothing major is landing. Left hook from Clottey. Corrales jabs. Clotteylands the left hook & then a right that sends Corrales & his mouthpiece to the canvas. Point taken away. Again…typical Corrales. Corrales bleeding like a stuck pig. Clottey ready for th kill. Right hand followed by a left & then another right. Left hook by Corrales. Clottey on his toes & jabbing. Clench & that’s it.

Clottey won that one & Wacko didn’t get no booty from zee wiz-ife!

Personally…I say the man’s headed straight to journeyman status. He just can’t make it out of the matches anymore. He’s as open as a book.

You?

I voted “Corrales is a warrior...blah blah blah...eye roll.” due to the fact that I think he should retire much like Gatti.

Personally…I hate it when people laude a fighter for being able to take an ass whipping…I much prefer my fighters to be able to elude the ass whipping & dish it out while putting on a master class defensive performance.

Corrales is getting close to journeyman status & needs to rethink his career.

Maybe he should apply at Lowes or Home Depot & load lumber or some shit because boxing aint his game.

Anyone that's fast eats his ass alive.

I tend to agree with the fact he is past it. Good win for clottey tho. Nice name for the resume......

Yeah, it seems like journeyman status is just about where he's headed... Having said that, he could be one hell of a journeyman even at welterweight.. Any young prospect would still have a lot to gain in beating him for the time being, and he could be a supreme test for young prospects, etc. Have trouble thinking of a legitimate contender he would beat at this point, but don't see why he couldn't be matched against someone on the way up.

He should have one more go of things... at 140. Im sure he could make the weight.
Welterweights are just too big these days. 140 just sounds better all round for Corrales.

What does Coralles have to prove??? I mean he has the respect of everyone. Could it be he is only fighting for the monies? A case of living beyond his means? I hope not. Retire gracefully. With honor. Please.

I want Corrales - Gatti. Honestly I think that is a match that I want made almost more then any other because we're guaranteed nothing other then a great fight.

Clottey is very good though. Especially on the inside on the outside he isn't that good and tends to open up to much but Clottey is the real deal and I think he'll be a champion one day. Very fast on the inside, fairly good defense on the inside and he can take a punch. His bout with Gutierrez was very entertaining except for the fact that there wasn't much drama to it and Clottey won clearly (who scored it a draw I don't know, but it was 116-112 at best imo) but it was a good slugfest.

I think Corrales' run as a champion of any sort is clearly over, but he is a matchmaker's dream because he's a guy who can't be in a bad fight. I really want to see him and Gatti go at it in Atlantic City. Both have fought a lot there, and now they find themselves at the same weight class. I hope it happens.

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Originally Posted by eagle

I tend to agree with the fact he is past it. Good win for clottey tho. Nice name for the resume......

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:coolclick: Totally agree that it was a hell of a win for Clottey. He showed much skill, poise, & heart. Took all that Corrales had & then gave some. Good win...but, IWO, Corrales is & has been running on borrowed time.

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Originally Posted by p4pking

Yeah, it seems like journeyman status is just about where he's headed... Having said that, he could be one hell of a journeyman even at welterweight.. Any young prospect would still have a lot to gain in beating him for the time being, and he could be a supreme test for young prospects, etc. Have trouble thinking of a legitimate contender he would beat at this point, but don't see why he couldn't be matched against someone on the way up.

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:coolclick: Well said...couldn't agree more.

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Originally Posted by Jimboogie

He should have one more go of things... at 140. Im sure he could make the weight.
Welterweights are just too big these days. 140 just sounds better all round for Corrales.

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Honestly...I just can't side with you on this.

He's had a hell of a time making weight near the mark...it's effecting him. Only certain fighters can pull off the weight jumping...& they often end up getting stung before all is said & done.

I truly believe that Corrales has seen his best days.

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Originally Posted by halo

What does Coralles have to prove??? I mean he has the respect of everyone. Could it be he is only fighting for the monies? A case of living beyond his means? I hope not. Retire gracefully. With honor. Please.

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:coolclick: Agreed. Nothing left to prove & better safe than sorry.

Am I the only one that thought Corrales sounded a bit...odd during the post fight interview? Hard to explain...not slurry...but slower.

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Originally Posted by amat

I want Corrales - Gatti. Honestly I think that is a match that I want made almost more then any other because we're guaranteed nothing other then a great fight.

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Well...that'd be an attrocity. Why do people want to even see Gatti continue? I just don't get it. That fight would best be called what it is..."The Last March of the Sacrificial Lambs"!

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Originally Posted by amat

Clottey is very good though. Especially on the inside on the outside he isn't that good and tends to open up to much but Clottey is the real deal and I think he'll be a champion one day. Very fast on the inside, fairly good defense on the inside and he can take a punch. His bout with Gutierrez was very entertaining except for the fact that there wasn't much drama to it and Clottey won clearly (who scored it a draw I don't know, but it was 116-112 at best imo) but it was a good slugfest.

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Clottey is good. Very impressive wins of late...personally...I think that he was hammering Margarito quite well. Too bad his hands couldn't hold out for the duration.

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Originally Posted by amat

I think Corrales' run as a champion of any sort is clearly over, but he is a matchmaker's dream because he's a guy who can't be in a bad fight. I really want to see him and Gatti go at it in Atlantic City. Both have fought a lot there, and now they find themselves at the same weight class. I hope it happens.

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I agree...his runs over...but so is Gatti's. To me...Gatti has always been nothing more than a glorified journeyman. I just can't root for a man who's most impressive bouts are basically beatdowns that he has taken.

I voted that Chico is finished. Well, finished winning. I think he may squeeze one or two paydays out what's left of his career.

He looked weak as a kitten if you ask me.

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Originally Posted by BoxingGorilla

I voted that Chico is finished. Well, finished winning. I think he may squeeze one or two paydays out what's left of his career.

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:coolclick: Agreed.

Thing is...are the paydays worth it at the risk of his own health? He's taken some SERIOUS hidings.

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Originally Posted by BoxingGorilla

He looked weak as a kitten if you ask me.

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A very good point that no one seems to be touching on...his strength seemed to be lax & he did indeed look outmatched throughout the fight.

I voted that Corrales is finished, which is kind of hard for me to admit, as he is one of my favorite fighters. I think that the fights with Castillo, both of them, damaged Corrales beyond repair. That and the damage he did to himself in all those years of trying to make weight. He has been a great warrior throughout the years, but I think its time for him to hang em up. Like Teddy Atlas said to Michael Moore on FNF a while back, I'm paraphrasing, "You've been a champion, done all there is to do, so what's the point of continuing? You're only going to harm yourself and your legacy."
However, I still think he has enough left in the tank to beat Gatti (whose basically a walking corpse at this point), but that's about the only big name I would give Diego a chance against.
That Gatti comment will probably earn me my 2nd anonymous sad click like it did last time, but he's done too. Neither of these guys should be fighting anymore and I wonder why their supposed handlers are interested in allowing them to continue.

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Originally Posted by CFH

That Gatti comment will probably earn me my 2nd anonymous sad click like it did last time, but he's done too. Neither of these guys should be fighting anymore and I wonder why their supposed handlers are interested in allowing them to continue.

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Welcome to the forum. Have the Obligatory Wacko Welcome Wagon :coolclick:

Totally agree with the Gatti comment. All is good...neither should be fighting IWO also.

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Originally Posted by wacko3205

Am I the only one that thought Corrales sounded a bit...odd during the post fight interview? Hard to explain...not slurry...but slower.

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I'm pretty sure that was on account of his broken jaw.

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Am I the only one that thought Corrales sounded a bit...odd during the post fight interview? Hard to explain...not slurry...but slower.

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I'm pretty sure that was on account of his broken jaw.

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Its a shame that apparently he cant make 140. He's wasted at 147. For Corrales, a fight with Gatti is about as good as it will get financially.

Maybe if he accepted his new journeyman status some interesting fights could be made with the likes of Andre Berto etc

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Originally Posted by p4pking

Yeah, it seems like journeyman status is just about where he's headed... Having said that, he could be one hell of a journeyman even at welterweight.. Any young prospect would still have a lot to gain in beating him for the time being, and he could be a supreme test for young prospects, etc. Have trouble thinking of a legitimate contender he would beat at this point, but don't see why he couldn't be matched against someone on the way up.

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why should he put himself up as a punchbag for any prospect? boxers are a proud bunch losing still hurts unless he's blown all his cash and needs to fight why continue. Maybe he can go back to punching women?

Still don't know why Chico would wan't to fight Clottey as his 1st fight at Welter that just doesn't make any sense to me....

I think it should be it, 147's not really right for him, can't make 140 and he's taken a lot of punches.

He's never been a favorite of mine really, but I think sometimes his career has been underestimated. Yes he's easy to hit, and been a bit chinny at times, the fact is he's beaten two of the best fighters of the past decade in Castillo and Casamayor. You can debate whether he actually beat Casamayor in any of their fights but it wasn't like Casamayor got robbed in the second fight, most people thought Chico won it. He's clearly a Hall of Famer.

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Still don't know why Chico would wan't to fight Clottey as his 1st fight at Welter that just doesn't make any sense to me....

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Definitely agree. Gary Shaw said in an interview that Chico's trainer had some (obviously wrong) idea that Clottey was slow and that they'd be able to outspeed him. Without referencing that specifically, Chico did say in the post-fight interview that he was surprised early on at how fast Clottey was and that that's why he gave up on fighting on the outside.

The most crazy thing to me was that Clottey came into the ring at 170 (I mean, he said afterward that that was with all his clothes and shoes on, etc., but still -- that's nuts, isn't it? especially for Chico's first fight up from 135).

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Originally Posted by amat

I want Corrales - Gatti. Honestly I think that is a match that I want made almost more then any other because we're guaranteed nothing other then a great fight.

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Well...that'd be an attrocity. Why do people want to even see Gatti continue? I just don't get it. That fight would best be called what it is..."The Last March of the Sacrificial Lambs"!

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Originally Posted by amat

Clottey is very good though. Especially on the inside on the outside he isn't that good and tends to open up to much but Clottey is the real deal and I think he'll be a champion one day. Very fast on the inside, fairly good defense on the inside and he can take a punch. His bout with Gutierrez was very entertaining except for the fact that there wasn't much drama to it and Clottey won clearly (who scored it a draw I don't know, but it was 116-112 at best imo) but it was a good slugfest.

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Clottey is good. Very impressive wins of late...personally...I think that he was hammering Margarito quite well. Too bad his hands couldn't hold out for the duration.

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Originally Posted by amat

I think Corrales' run as a champion of any sort is clearly over, but he is a matchmaker's dream because he's a guy who can't be in a bad fight. I really want to see him and Gatti go at it in Atlantic City. Both have fought a lot there, and now they find themselves at the same weight class. I hope it happens.

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I agree...his runs over...but so is Gatti's. To me...Gatti has always been nothing more than a glorified journeyman. I just can't root for a man who's most impressive bouts are basically beatdowns that he has taken.

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Well, you know both are going to fight on anyways. The very fact that hCorrales headed to 147 and fought one of the most dangerous welterweights out there is a pretty clear indication of that. And it would be an exciting fight, neither fighter would be to hurt as neither has much power, not as hurt as they would be if they continue to stick around fighting on TV. I mean most anybody would line up to fight the both of them because they are a big name and you have a good shot of beating them. It wouldn't be any worse then that, and it would be a nice note for both to go out on (hopefully.)

And I have a bit of a problem with the last bit. Gatti isn't famous for taking ass whoopings. Tex Cobb is. Gatti may not have had the best defense and he took his fair share of punishment but outside of De La Hoya and Mayweather, he has always been competitive, he's just an exciting fighter and that's what he's famous for. If he just took ass whoopings he would have never fought back which is something he has always does.

No doubt both of them are at least 2 years from their best but that doesn't mean it's attrocious to let them get in the ring together. I mean Gatti wants Cotto! And in Atlantic City, where both fighters have a dedicated fanbase, that could damn near happen. This is a much better alternitive.

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Originally Posted by amat

And I have a bit of a problem with the last bit. Gatti isn't famous for taking a** whoopings. Tex Cobb is. Gatti may not have had the best defense and he took his fair share of punishment but outside of De La Hoya and Mayweather, he has always been competitive, he's just an exciting fighter and that's what he's famous for. If he just took a** whoopings he would have never fought back which is something he has always does.

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Sorry babe…that fool’s taken more ass whooping than a 3 year old in a candy store with sticky fingers.

As you so noted…Oscar & Floyd kicked his ass…soundly. Sorry…but if you think that he was competitive against Baldomir, Manfredy, & Robinson…I gotta say you need to watch those beat downs again.

He got his ass handed to him & how. Gatti's a glorified club fighter...always has been...always will be.

It's sad to see Chico at the end, but he's definately there. Just look at his body. He looked soft. He didn't add muscle to move up, he just didn't cut as much. He can hand around if he wants, but I hope he calls it a day. I don't want to see him fight Gatti. I've seen Gatti in enough wars that I don't need be entertained at his expense anymore, either. Chico and Gatti two of my favorite fighter and I hope I never see them fight again. They both should have piles of money by now . Chico went to culinary school. He can take some of that money and open a nice restaurant. Seriously.

Too many weight classes jumped and too tough a fight to start out with.


I would LOVE to see Cotto thump Chico within about 5 rounds.


Corrales doesn't have many options to fight at welterweight where he can honestly be a favorite. A fight vs Judah would be decent. Arturo Gatti would be a good fight for the viewers....may be too tough for both of those guys though

Coming into the fight I thought Corrales was going to be a monster at welter, especially cuz he came in at 160lbs. The thing is Clottey came in at 170lbs. Clottey is the real deal at this weight guys, he proved it against Margarito. Well anywayz, back to Chico. He was slow, still doesn't have the whiskers and he could not win with a "boxing" style. He's a slugger and he cannot compete with that style at 147. At least not against real welters who can bang i.e., Cintron, Mosley, Margarito, Cotto, or Oscar (I'm still dreaming of him coming back to welter). He may have a chance against those smaller welters like Judah, Gatti or PBF but not the true welters, he just aint got the beard to hang. Given that, no I don't think he's done, he can go down to 140 and provide some real excitement and be very competative at that weight. I'd love to see a shootout between him and Vivian Harris or how about ooooooo fights with Witter or Kendall Holt. You also have Castillo or Hatton. He aint done, he just needs to go down, 140 is where it's at for him.

maybe corrales wants to fight one more quasi-prestigious fighter that he thinks he can beat to go out on a victory, then adios.