Watch floyd saying how he has broken ali, sugar ray robinson, ray leonard's records
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBVNXtxvPuo
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Watch floyd saying how he has broken ali, sugar ray robinson, ray leonard's records
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBVNXtxvPuo
He is really getting to be a pain in the ass, I have never voted for Oscar before in my life, but I am seriously thinking about it at this point.
Floyd was just being honest in his opinion. I still would bet for him.
Exactly. He said NOTHING about "breaking" anyone's records, he simply stated the fact that those guys were bested eventually and he wasn't. And he mentioned Sugar Ray Robinson going for the LHW title and failing to hype up his own trip to junior middleweight.Quote:
Originally Posted by supergenius
Don't get me wrong, I don't like the fact that Mayweather is insinuating that he has accomplished a feat they haven't because he's undefeated (because we all know three of those guys have fought better compedition overall without question), but I really feel that you're making "something out of nothing". Floyd didn't disrespect those guys and there is no reason to flame him over what he said, which was simply all fact.
when jones went undefeated he said in a newspaper "ali has been defeated and i ahvent wouldnt taht make me greater" and he didnt get shit for it niethr shoud pbf
DLH and PBF are two of my favorite fighters. If I had to pick a winner I would say PBF is going to win. I think DLH is getting old now. I like both but my gut tells me PBF will win by decision.
At one time roy jones may have been considered greater than ali, just because of the fact how dominant he was in his prime. he never had an off night, never was in trouble in any fight and dominated future legends like hopkins and toney. I don't see any fighter past or present beating him even sugar ray robinson (due to the fact that he was a welterweight). Floyd even though is an all time great, I believe lost the first castillo fight, had a little trouble with Jesus Chavez, and got stunned by Corley. I can think of a number of fighters who may have a good shot at beating floyd such as duran, julio cesar chavez, whitaker, benny leonard, willie pep. besides sugar ray robinson I think went about a 107 fights without a loss and was undefeated as an amateur. Floyd lost the olympic gold as an amateur and his first pro loss is coming on May 5.Quote:
Originally Posted by the phenom
Same here. I feel PBF will be all over DLH. PBF will win by points even if DLH is in his prime.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mad_Dog
Hes delusional to say Ali lost to Leon Spinks takes away from his career. And Leonard even being in the ring with Duran is more than anything hes ever done. And Floyds name shouldnt even be mentioned in the same sentence as SRR....except that one
mayweather does have a big mouth but still i think he can beat de la hoya
Floyd always looks down and stutters when he is going to let out a lie.
Can you catch the lies?
He don't even believe the lies he is saying so why should we?
Wow you guys get worked up so easily. Just relax every great fighter gets an ego, They all believe they can beat eachother deep down inside.
Floyd knows he's arrogant. It's well calculated.
In many many interviews he's said that the sport needs good guys and bad guys.
So if people are gonna hate him anyways, he's gonna do the best he can to maximize that arrogance that his haters despise so much.
His fans tune in to see him win, his haters will tune in to see if his next fight will be the fight where he gets his head knocked off.
He's a smart business man.
You got to love Floyd's arrogance, it's such a dilemna for me. Two fighters that annoy me more than any others in the sport get it on a month from now.
Is it too much to hope that somehow they can both knock each other the fuck out?
If I had to choose I'd pick Floyd to beat Oscar. He says he'll retire then but he won't have achieved enough to be considered an All Time Great imo.
Stopping fighting now would be like Ali retiring after the first Liston fight, or Ray Robinson retiring after he went 2-1 with Jake La Motta.
He's not done enough. As mentioned above we all saw with Roy Jones that when it came down to it his chin wasn't all that and he couldn't come back from adversity. Any attempts to place him above the likes of Ali and Ray Robinson in the greatness stakes were in hindsight flawed. He fell short.
If Floyd does retire May 5th, regardless of the outcome questions will still be unanswered and he won't rate any higher than 20 in the all time great list imo.
Finally, is it me or is Floyd getting smaller every time he appears on camera?
He's like Tom Thumb or one of the borrowers, freaky little midget guy ::**
My thought is, if you are the best the fans are the ones that have to give you that title. I think that if you are just talking :baeh: about how great you are and trying to gain the public recognition by minimizing what other greatest had accomplished, that is just showing some frustration, and there may some other things wrong in that person's mind. The right way to be recognized as the best of all times is showing that in the ring, fighting the best competition, showing that you are a complete fighter that can box, punch, adapt to any situation in the ring, give excitement to the public... Just making this great sport brighter.
This way we all win, the fighter gets the recognition he wants and the public get the show we deserve.
I'd have to argue that the majority of fans are biased and often will not give credit where credit is due if they dislike a guy. A LOT of people dislike Floyd and will be very reluctant to give him his just credit (if any).Quote:
Originally Posted by Puerto Rican Punch
Ali fought in maybe the greatest era of heaveyweights ever
Leanord fought in an era of Duran,Hagler,and Hearns
Robinson fought everyone
All three of them had legandary battles against unbelievable opponents
Sorry Floyd,a unanimous decision against Zab Judah doesnt exactly cut it.
Of course Tyson tried to say something similar awhile back
The fact that every champ when theyre feeling arrogant tries to compair themselves to the great ones,is the real measure of why they ARE the great ones
Hey Floyd,20 years from now,you think the next one is going to be compairing themselves to you?
What unbelievable opponent did Robinson have? Lamotta, Fulmer, Olson, and the rest of them wouldn't have made it in any other era from Leonard to now at Middleweight. They were slow, unathletic, tough brutes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey
As for Floyd not being great...I dont see how he is not.The way I see it...Ali,Hagler,Tyson,Foreman,SRL(up until Floyd said that he would have beat him),RJJ,and Julio C Chavez have all been quoted as saying that he is "Great".
Graziano,Turpin,Gavilan,Docusen.Levine,DoyleQuote:
Originally Posted by Taeth
And the point is,he fought everybody out there.And if the fans thought a guy gave him a good fight,he'd go fight him again
Guy did fight 200 times ya know
The only thing broken about Floyd is his face come May 5th
at any weight below 154 I would side with you on this one.......but I think 154 is going to be like LTMW was to SRR...too much.....and Duran was better than anybody PBF has fought to date...rarely will I ever defend SRL but I have to on this one......He is still undefeated so far.....but all that changes with a loss....it's about how you're remember after a loss...and what you did after it that make great fighters.....or being undefeated....Quote:
Originally Posted by Mad_Dog
My god! How anyone could possibly side with Floyd in this one is beyond me. Floyd...not now...not even IF he beats Oscar...can be mentioned in the same breath as Leonard, Robinson, or Ali...not even remotely close. Outside of him ending his career with some memorable matches...Floyd will leave no legacy. Sorry people...those are the FACTS. History remember the fighters that have provided lasting memories. Whether it's Floyd's fault or not...he has not provided a single enduring moment that one can look back on many years from now. Floyd is just arrogant...so i don't let what he says bother me too much. But for boxing fans...supposedly intelligent ones...to actually think that the nonsense Floyd spews out is actually reasonable/logical...is hilarious and frustrating to me.
Nicely said. This is one of the reasons why we watch his fights..... if he can prove his arrogance.Quote:
Originally Posted by meowza
Well, Ali was not exactly a quiet man, but I think most of the people recognize him as one of all times greatest and probably among best 3, with many people having him as # 1.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker
But until he beat Ellis,and Quarry,and Frazier,and Foreman,etc,etc,commentators viewed those proclamations as more humorous then seriousQuote:
Originally Posted by Puerto Rican Punch
People on the forum are the main ones who doubt his greatness.Quote:
Originally Posted by Olympian904
Right now is as close as Floyd is going to get to greatness. Fighting Oscar will only hurt his legacy unless he dominates, he will get paid well but has everything to lose.