he may not have the best style but look at who hes beaten Manny is p4p the best in my opinion
wot do you guys think ?
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he may not have the best style but look at who hes beaten Manny is p4p the best in my opinion
wot do you guys think ?
As a fan of the PACMAN I am already contented that he is number 2 P4P. If MAyweather loses his fight against DLH, Pacman could take the #1 slot.Quote:
Originally Posted by althetruthhindley
bro his style is SICK!(which is slang for really good)Quote:
Originally Posted by althetruthhindley
he has a style thats very pleasing to all fight fans. very exciting. he stands toe to toe and trades like no tommorrow. he even now uses both hands. hes fast as F! he got new defensive moves that shifts his head way out of reach for any of his opponents to even come close to counter punch him!
Well in my mind he should be.. basing from quality of opponents, quality of wins and entertaining the fans. But Pretty boy's fans will hate and resist as much as they can. But no worries because manny is now slowly becoming a successful crossover fighter and we all know that the reality still lies that in order to be truly recognized you need to impress the west most specially U.S.A. it's still the key to everything and most specially true to boxing world. and that's what manny's doing right now, although Golden boy is holding that back now but i believe it's inevitable as long as he is healthy. it's just a matter of time..
yes you are a wise man Manny doesnt duck anyone and he has beaten 2 great fighters in mab and morales he just plain great !!!!!!!!!!
Mayweather is still p4p best to me.
Why would Manny be p4p best NOW after beating Jorge Solis ???
Even if Manny was p4p number 2 or 3 prior to this fight, why would he be number 1 after beating Jorge Solis ???
I think we should wait to see who wins between Winky and Hopkins and Mayweather and Oscar before we decide where they all are on the p4p list and if Hopkins is still active we need to place him there too(but I dont because Hopkins is semi-retired etc)
well, in the paper yes, but to each his own and in my own opinion pac should be the number one as of now. That's not because he just beat solis, but that happened not so long time ago when pac won the trilogy against the great el terrible so convincingly. Ultimately, no one is attempting to change anybody's opinion here, just stating his/her own for the sake of a good and interesting conversation. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Starr
look u have your opinion and i think pacman is p4p the best end of storyQuote:
Originally Posted by Starr
name any fighters Mayweather has beaten who are better than Morales and MAB ? im waiting for the answer ?
It really doesnt matter for me. PBF and ODLH had to bad mouth each other, conduct tremendous amount of press conferences and think of more ways to hype up their match, PBF cant even complete a sentence trying to remember his script on interviews(oops, excuse me PBF fans). Manny signs a deal and kept quiet and let the promoters do the promotion, what they got is the second biggest selling boxing match in SA of all time. This is what Pacquiao brings to the sport, he makes boxing fans out of people who doesnt know sh**t about boxing. Truly you cannot account that when we talk about p4p ratings. Boxing needed Pacquiao badly, even if you do not like PAC you will admit to that. So it doesnt matter where he stands at P4P, Manny brought boxing back to the hearts of a nation and excitement for the whole world to see thats what really counts.
well mate looking for another morales and barrera is a little bit unfair i think. That kind of boxers comes only once in a blue moon. Sometimes i think even if mayweather wants to fight everyone in his division their's just no one as good as the guys you've mentioned. the availability of the boxers presented to pretty boy right now is just from class B and below.. So what do i think mayweather is suppose to do is just to keep winning and remain undefeated for as long as he can. Also, he should win in the most convincing manner each and every fight as much as possible like the "Roy Jones prime era" since he is fighting merely B classes only, quality of wins is highly regarded and invaluable for him and this is not an option, it is a must.. Too bad sugar ray, hagler, duran,chavez and the likes were born just a little too early for him.. :) these guys would make him instant great if and if he wins with his loud mouth intact. ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by althetruthhindley
Well yesterdays fight did not change anything so if you had Manny at 2,that's where he should stay. He didn't impress me against Solis,he was really wilddd and sloppy up until he recieved the cut.
Pac looked average today I thought against an overmatched opponent.
His style is terrible, he lunges in with the head and his balance looks awful at times. The only thing that saves him is his incredible handspeed and devastating power.
Maybe I'm just pissed off. Every time he fights the bar I watch boxing at is overrun by Pacman fans who are FUCKING MUPPETS that know nothing about boxing and hoot and holler wildly while Pac destroys people. These people are never at any other fight cards, just when Pacman fights. They are not boxing fans, they are groupies.
Goddamn I'm bitter.
But seriously the sooner someone knocks Pac on his ass and keeps him there the happier I'll be...
Am a Pacfan and a Filipina and pretty much contented with his no.2 or even a number 3 spot on that p4p ranking... "IF" Juam Manuel Mrquez accepts Manny's challenge and Manny winning the rematch then i say he's pound for pound number 1 for IMHO.
Salamat Manny at kung napanood nyo yung post fight interview with an interpreter you'll know how humble Manny is.
in his4/5 fights pacman won by to ko only person was oscar larrios
floyd still 1
What makes you so proud? Are you somewhat a better individual by being a boxing purist? If they arent boxing fans so what?Quote:
Originally Posted by Greig
It seems that after a Manny win guys like you go after his fans. Are you frustrated that no matter how much you know about boxing those guys will never appreciate it and will never watch your favorite boxer? You hate them because they don't like what you like and does not look at fights the way you do. Like I said earlier Manny makes even the most uninterested person watch boxing, isnt that good? If they dont watch the other fights you do then good for you, you dont get to see them very often.
Truly, for pac's stature right now, it is indeed just an average fight for him. interestingly, he still manages to knock this kiddo around in just a matter of 8 rounds. thereby, a convicing win again for him. :) I know the agony man, during nazeem hameds winning days, i had to go out when a pack of people in the bar where i usually stayed goes crazy when hamed's fight comes. Until he ran blindly into a master boxer and apparently one of the truly ATG, Marco antonio barrera. since then i found out watching boxing is such fun. ;D
anyway, in the case of pacman. this guy is very very hard to beat. even if you can withstand his hardest blows a boxer will soon realize that he has piled up such a huge volume of punches and you worry that the least you could get is maybe a draw only. His aggression is such that, any judge will appreciate it. another problem with manny is, at first many think he is just a dumb slugger who is strong and fast and all but actually he is an intelligent fighter who setup his power punches well and uses his physical gift very well. Notice that his style varies every opponent he faces, he is always an enigmatic by nature which i guess helped him in some ways. One thing is for sure though, this guy always comes hard and fast as if he is willing to drain all his energy at any round if his opponent pisses him off. That ferocious burning attitude is what keeps the fans generally "entertained" They know at anytime, if manny gets tagged hard, that animal inside of him will come out and even if he wouldn't knockdown his opponent the volume of power punches thrown alone is truly massive and spectacular.
Anyway, a fight against marquez should happen immediately because i really feel this is the only guy that can pressure back pacman. although his winning percentage would be lower this time around because pac as we all know, knows a little boxing right now. It should be quite entertaining because apparently, unlike the great morales in their trilogy this time around he will not be expecting the phrase " no mas" anytime during the fight. psychologically, pac knows the guy he will be fighting is tougher and as the round would go by hopefully marquez will be more focused and even tougher like their first fight and not succumb to pacmans burning ferocity. it's hard, really very hard but i think of all the challenger right now, marquez is the tested and proven one that can possibly do this.
The title of the thread is a bit misleading, as if it is trying to suggest that beating Solis has put him up a position to #1, but I would have to disagree with that fight making the difference.
PErsonally I have him at #1 anyway, with Floyd needing a dominating performance to go #1, and that is simply on the quality of opponents they have fought recently, and their success. All I'm saying is that Zab Judah and Carlos Baldomir are not all-time greats, but beating ODLH, even a slightly older ODLH, will be a very good feather in the Mayweather cap.
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Originally Posted by sleeplessrevolution
very good post!!!
Thank you mate, this is actually my very first cool click here at saddo; sounds corny but iam happy someone appreciates my personal views. ;D ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by puga_ni_nana
no problem mate, i really appreciate your post.Quote:
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actually, it not a real cool-click but just a smiley. i think i'm not eligible yet to give real cool-click points.
i am with you on marquez being the one who will give pac the toughest challenge as of now.
imo, this fight should really happen now in order stop the dispute of who really wins their first bout.
Not still d no.1 p4p... But the best superfeatherweight now, I agree
de la hoya would take the number one spot if he beat mayweather
He's pleasing, he's quick, he's obviously good, but were he the same weight as Mayweather Naturally he would be destroyed.
People keep mentioning Pac's record....P4P has NOTHING to do with your record.It basically means that if all boxers were the same size and weight who would be the best.Pac has way to many flaws in his fight game and he has a loss in his prime.Floyd doesnt.Winky is #2 in my opinion.This forum is the only place where I hear people saying that Floyd is not #1.
That's ridiculous,lots of places debate whether Pacman/Floyd are P4P number 1 and there is no SET definition of what P4P is. That's what YOU think it is,and I agree,it's certainly something to take into consideration but so too is level of competition,etc. Heck,I saw an interview with Larry Merchant,who has been involved in boxing longer than most have been alive and he said he thought excitement was a factor. I'm not saying I agree but there is no set definition.Quote:
Originally Posted by Olympian904
Larry Merchant is a commentator....NOT a boxing expert.Who honestly thinks Pac is p4p better than Floyd?Floyds game is nearly perfect.I can point out 4 big flaws right off the top in Pacs game.P4P has NOTHING to do with excitement.If PAc and Floyd were at the same weight,Pac would lose.All of the boxing mags have him #1...every boxer I know has him #1.Online is the only time I see this being debated.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Gamo
It's true El Gamo the p4p was made to say who would beat who at the same weight, and Floyd would destroy Pacquaio. He is too fast, too good defensively, and Pacquaio is too poor defensively. I also think Winky would beat him.
O hell no!!! How can a technically flawed fighter become p4p best? He is exciting and strong as hell but he gets hit alot. I'm a big fan but I won't rate him higher than Floyd or even Winky.
P4P means acheivements imo along with skill but Pac might have the bigger wins then PBF, but PBF is grandfathered in and won't give it up until he slips up. I don't get why beating Solis of all people would make him P4P best now?
This, IMO, should have absolutely NO relevance when deciding who is P4P the best, or in any way judging how good a fighter is. The name of the game is winning. Floyd has made some good fighters look like shit. He's riding a 37 fight winning streak right now, he's a 4 divison world champ. Pacquiao is great and is definatly #2 in my book, but Floyd is just on a different level than him IMO. Pacquiao dropped a decision to Morales not to long ago, Floyd has never been bested.Quote:
Originally Posted by sleeplessrevolution
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Originally Posted by GP100
I agree! :)
shina your cute! ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Shina
well like mine,yours his and hers everyone seems to have his own meaning of what a P4P really is. Larry merchant is just stating his own opinion of what a P4P means in his own mind. Doesn't mean he is forcefully convincing you or anybody. just think about this, if larry merchant is no good in his own meaning of what P4P is, then what makes you think yours is better? In fact, what a P4P meant for you might be even worse to somebody who has another meaning in his mind.
here's another thing. We may all fantasize all day we want that if floyd vs pac happens, floyd destroys pac. how convenient and easy for us to predict things like this because we know fight is impossible to happen anyway. Many predictors of morales vs pac have already been a victim of this embarrassment at the end of EM vs pac trilogy. , truth be told in the case of pacquiao we learn that people is truly amazing that they can change even for such a short period of time if they have the patience,passion and the will to do so.
a destruction of pacman?..yes in reality that might be possible,very possible but also possible that floyds record may have now been stained if the pretty boy showed up on the fight against jose luis castillo will show in front of pac who beat EM in their trilogy. where floyd against castillo that time is clearly rattled with that type of pressure alone given to him. apparently, PAC is infinitely way too good in pressure type of fighting, he is not a wannabe on this area, It's his true character and style, Here's another fact, although pac is hittable doesn't mean he can't hit floyd back and would go down easily and please don't push the argument that floyd can't and will not be hit by pacman. Please kindly watch the 1st castillo and mayweather fight before you do embark on another level of fantasy. Why wouldn't pacman hit and hurt him when pac is way too fast than castillo, his punches comes in all angles, better head and feet moverment and most importantly way too blessed with endurance than a superbly conditioned castillo to keep up the pressure all night long. As this is a fantasy only lets just think that both great fighters meet as P4P fighter perse and not their current individual weight where of course floyd is a bigger fighter than the pacman. All this doesn't mean pac would surely win against mayweather anytime which goes the same for floyd, what iam implying is that floyd at bad night could be beaten by a prime pacman at least P4P. just my opinion..
All right folks, I'm not taking this just sitting down. If PBF is so good, why do his fans get easily ruffled when Pac's name is mentioned, just asking. ;D
If he's so good, why is he ducking all those guys who they say he's ducking? Please don't give those sissy excuse like 'cuz they ain't nothing.' Isn't it reasonable to assume he'd ducked Pac to??? just asking. c'mon use your heads. ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Olympian904
Is that so? He can't even destroy Castillo, maybe beat him ya, but 'destroy'??? Ask any boxing experts, Pac would've have destroyed Castillo at the same weight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taeth
Don't get too upset at us, you PBF fans always start this thing. We're just defending our poor boy.
Peace, broddas. ;) ;) ;)
funny how people say pac has so many flaws, but if so then why does he puts legends on their a$ses. No one in history can have so much distraction but still destroys oppenent right when he gets in the ring. and he never has to sell himself to have everyone watching him.
wow.. u hit the nail on the head.. but hey.. as long as your name is not mayweather or winky or jones jr you could never be p4p even if you knock out the whole world... so you gotta deal with it....although ive been itching to ask this question.. who throws a punch while going forward that keeps their balance??? i just wanna know who can do that.. who can attack and go forward while punching without losing balance???Quote:
Originally Posted by Julius Rain
ohh by the way.. pbf is so good defensively and is a master boxer and a ring general.. thats why he throw 10 punches in flurry(the most) and runs all night so he chin and defense wont be tested..
Remember Barrera and Morales are technically skilled fighters. They lost to the power of Pacquaio. If Floyd fights Pacman in the same weight category, I believe Pacquaio will knock him before 8th round. PBF has never tasted a fight with the skill and power of Pacman. That's why he always looks good after a fight. Ask the baby face assasin how strong the Pacman is. Pacquaio basically, destroyed his baby face. Pretty boy, surely will not be pretty anymore had he met the same caliber as Pacquaio.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taeth
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The flaw you are looking at is exactly what makes the Pacman so effective offensively, if you lunge while throwing a punch of course you sacrifice balance and defense but what it does is throw your opponent off balance too..makes them back up and forces them to jab more than they have too. Solis was able to be effective on the first few rounds by avoiding Pacmans charge with his side to side movement and long jabs but the thing is you can only do that until you start to realize that you have to score too since your opponent is very aggressive and may favor the judges. We tend to overlook that Solis is a much bigger and longer fighter than Pacquiao and he was the first to admit that he did not expect Solis to have punching power. What he did is overpower a much bigger opponent and was able to do so.
Pac lunges with his punches...he bounces(causes you to run into punches),he over swings...
If you think that Pac p4p is better than Floyd b/c he is exciting to watch....I'm glad that your on a forum and not the real world.
Perhaps you should ask \\\"How can a technically flawed fighter beat the hell out of Morales and Barrera?\\\" I am m not a boxing fan, but I know those two Mexican Fighters are one of the best boxers in this era. Has Mayweather beaten anyone near the caliber of Barrera and Morales? You think Mayweather could beat Barrera or Morales given they are of the same weight class? Of course you\\\'ll say he can because you\\\'re a PBF fan. Well Guess what? Pacquiao has already done that. And he beat them in a convincing fashion.Quote:
Originally Posted by GP100
Some people are saying P4P should be rated according to boxing skills in the ring. If that is your definition then surely Mayweather is the best. But for me, P4P is different. Imagine that all boxers are of the same weight, who do you think can beat who regardless of boxing skills? And again the answer to this is where PBF and PacMan fans will agree to disagree. PacMan doesn\\\'t necesarrily have the greatest boxing skill but he has shown and proven he can beat those with better boxing skills than him. Also, the PacMan has had more quality competition than PBF. PBF is like a 5th grade punk taking on 2nd or 3rd graders. How can you call that P4P best? This are all just my opinion and am not flaming anybody. Peace fellow forumers :-)
P.S. This is my first post