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04-15-2007, 12:54 PM
ICB

This Is Worst Top 10 All time Heavyweights List I've Ever Seen

10. Vitali Klitschko
9. George Foreman
8. Riddick Bowe
7. Larry Holmes
6. Joe Louis
5. Evander Holfield
4. Lennox Lewis
3. Muhammad Ali
2. Rocky Marciano
1. Mike Tyson

:o
04-15-2007, 12:57 PM
Punisher136

Re: This Is Worst Top 10 All time Heavyweights List I've Ever Seen

And where might you have stumbled upon this debacle?
04-15-2007, 12:58 PM
ICB

Re: This Is Worst Top 10 All time Heavyweights List I've Ever Seen

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Originally Posted by Punisher136

And where might you have stumbled upon this debacle?

http://jmbtandy.wordpress.com/2007/0...ts-in-history/

I didn't bother to read it all because list put me off ;D
04-15-2007, 01:12 PM
Punisher136

Re: This Is Worst Top 10 All time Heavyweights List I've Ever Seen

Ok for the last time:
MODERN DAY FIGHTERS HOLD NO DISTINCT ADVANTAGE OVER OLDER FIGHTERS!!!

Yeah they have better diets and blah blah blah but when people fought in the old days it was for survival they couldn't go back to their huge mansion with all their electronic bs they spent their money on food for their familes and wondered when their next paycheck was. The mental edge old school fighters had from rough upbringings equals or even surpasses the physical edge modern athletes have.

Vitali doesn't even belong in the top 30 all time. I don't care if he comes back and wins 50 fights in a row against the best in this division, He QUIT against chris byrd with three rounds to go and virtually no way of losing except a forifeit.

The other entrys are respectable but i dont like the order. Marciano was the best because you'd have to fight him for 15 rounds and odds are he'd catch you with a right and the fight would be over. Ali comes second because his great chin and mobility would possibly guide him to a victory over marciano and every other fighter prime for prime. Tyson comes third because on his best night he beats or gives other all time greats a run for their money.

I don't see vitali sticking in a fight with a minor injury when he has marciano or tyson across the ring from him. Ali would have him busted upon in alittle over 3 rounds. The number 4 spot all-time and down the line can be debated over and over but it doesn't matter. After the winner, runner up, and honorable mention, everyone else is just a conversation starter.
04-15-2007, 01:15 PM
ICB

Re: This Is Worst Top 10 All time Heavyweights List I've Ever Seen

Quote:

Originally Posted by Punisher136

Ok for the last time:
MODERN DAY FIGHTERS HOLD NO DISTINCT ADVANTAGE OVER OLDER FIGHTERS!!!

Yeah they have better diets and blah blah blah but when people fought in the old days it was for survival they couldn't go back to their huge mansion with all their electronic bs they spent their money on food for their familes and wondered when their next paycheck was. The mental edge old school fighters had from rough upbringings equals or even surpasses the physical edge modern athletes have.

Vitali doesn't even belong in the top 30 all time. I don't care if he comes back and wins 50 fights in a row against the best in this division, He QUIT against chris byrd with three rounds to go and virtually no way of losing except a forifeit.

The other entrys are respectable but i dont like the order. Marciano was the best because you'd have to fight him for 15 rounds and odds are he'd catch you with a right and the fight would be over. Ali comes second because his great chin and mobility would possibly guide him to a victory over marciano and every other fighter prime for prime. Tyson comes third because on his best night he beats or gives other all time greats a run for their money.

I don't see vitali sticking in a fight with a minor injury when he has marciano or tyson across the ring from him. Ali would have him busted upon in alittle over 3 rounds. The number 4 spot all-time and down the line can be debated over and over but it doesn't matter. After the winner, runner up, and honorable mention, everyone else is just a conversation starter.

exactly size isn't always better if your fat and slow and out of shape hasn't anyone ever heard of saying the bigger they are the harder they fall you actually think guys like Holmes Ali and Foreman would have any trouble with current fighters ??
04-15-2007, 01:27 PM
Punisher136

Re: This Is Worst Top 10 All time Heavyweights List I've Ever Seen

Quote:

Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING

Quote:

Originally Posted by Punisher136

Ok for the last time:
MODERN DAY FIGHTERS HOLD NO DISTINCT ADVANTAGE OVER OLDER FIGHTERS!!!

Yeah they have better diets and blah blah blah but when people fought in the old days it was for survival they couldn't go back to their huge mansion with all their electronic bs they spent their money on food for their familes and wondered when their next paycheck was. The mental edge old school fighters had from rough upbringings equals or even surpasses the physical edge modern athletes have.

Vitali doesn't even belong in the top 30 all time. I don't care if he comes back and wins 50 fights in a row against the best in this division, He QUIT against chris byrd with three rounds to go and virtually no way of losing except a forifeit.

The other entrys are respectable but i dont like the order. Marciano was the best because you'd have to fight him for 15 rounds and odds are he'd catch you with a right and the fight would be over. Ali comes second because his great chin and mobility would possibly guide him to a victory over marciano and every other fighter prime for prime. Tyson comes third because on his best night he beats or gives other all time greats a run for their money.

I don't see vitali sticking in a fight with a minor injury when he has marciano or tyson across the ring from him. Ali would have him busted upon in alittle over 3 rounds. The number 4 spot all-time and down the line can be debated over and over but it doesn't matter. After the winner, runner up, and honorable mention, everyone else is just a conversation starter.

exactly size isn't always better if your fat and slow and out of shape hasn't anyone ever heard of saying the bigger they are harder they fall you actually think guys like Holmes Ali and Foreman would have any trouble with current fighters ??

A primed ali could go 7 rounds without breaking a sweat while fighting at a blistering pace by today's heavyweight standards. Foreman was the perfect prototype big punching fighter. Any bigger and stamina becomes an issue.
04-15-2007, 01:50 PM
Punisher136

Re: This Is Worst Top 10 All time Heavyweights List I've Ever Seen

A lot of people might forget ali was 6'3 215ish. He'd still be a good size for todays division and foreman hit way harder p4p than todays heavies.
04-15-2007, 05:06 PM
USA LOVES THE KLITSCHKOS

Re: This Is Worst Top 10 All time Heavyweights List I've Ever Seen

Quote:

Originally Posted by Punisher136

Ok for the last time:
MODERN DAY FIGHTERS HOLD NO DISTINCT ADVANTAGE OVER OLDER FIGHTERS!!!

Yeah they have better diets and blah blah blah but when people fought in the old days it was for survival they couldn't go back to their huge mansion with all their electronic bs they spent their money on food for their familes and wondered when their next paycheck was. The mental edge old school fighters had from rough upbringings equals or even surpasses the physical edge modern athletes have.

Vitali doesn't even belong in the top 30 all time. I don't care if he comes back and wins 50 fights in a row against the best in this division, He QUIT against chris byrd with three rounds to go and virtually no way of losing except a forifeit.

The other entrys are respectable but i dont like the order. Marciano was the best because you'd have to fight him for 15 rounds and odds are he'd catch you with a right and the fight would be over. Ali comes second because his great chin and mobility would possibly guide him to a victory over marciano and every other fighter prime for prime. Tyson comes third because on his best night he beats or gives other all time greats a run for their money.

I don't see vitali sticking in a fight with a minor injury when he has marciano or tyson across the ring from him. Ali would have him busted upon in alittle over 3 rounds. The number 4 spot all-time and down the line can be debated over and over but it doesn't matter. After the winner, runner up, and honorable mention, everyone else is just a conversation starter.

Vitali has a record that your heroes never could match (W 35 (34 ko's) L 2 Total 37)hell he got that record knocking boxers out who knocked your heroes out.Don't go bringing up dead boxers and other boxers that you have heard of, they may have been champs of their era but that was then this is now.
As for the fight with byrd read.
http://www.eastsideboxing.com/boxing...ko-Profile.php
04-15-2007, 05:08 PM
Scrap

Re: This Is Worst Top 10 All time Heavyweights List I've Ever Seen

ICB theirs another saying the Littler they are the further they go, but I agree with yours.
04-15-2007, 05:09 PM
Trainer Monkey

Re: This Is Worst Top 10 All time Heavyweights List I've Ever Seen

Quote:

Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING

10. Vitali Klitschko
9. George Foreman
8. Riddick Bowe
7. Larry Holmes
6. Joe Louis
5. Evander Holfield
4. Lennox Lewis
3. Muhammad Ali
2. Rocky Marciano
1. Mike Tyson

:o

That list is an abortion
TYSON???????
04-15-2007, 05:12 PM
ICB

Re: This Is Worst Top 10 All time Heavyweights List I've Ever Seen

Quote:

Originally Posted by USA LOVES THE KLITSCHKOS

Quote:

Originally Posted by Punisher136

Ok for the last time:
MODERN DAY FIGHTERS HOLD NO DISTINCT ADVANTAGE OVER OLDER FIGHTERS!!!

Yeah they have better diets and blah blah blah but when people fought in the old days it was for survival they couldn't go back to their huge mansion with all their electronic bs they spent their money on food for their familes and wondered when their next paycheck was. The mental edge old school fighters had from rough upbringings equals or even surpasses the physical edge modern athletes have.

Vitali doesn't even belong in the top 30 all time. I don't care if he comes back and wins 50 fights in a row against the best in this division, He QUIT against chris byrd with three rounds to go and virtually no way of losing except a forifeit.

The other entrys are respectable but i dont like the order. Marciano was the best because you'd have to fight him for 15 rounds and odds are he'd catch you with a right and the fight would be over. Ali comes second because his great chin and mobility would possibly guide him to a victory over marciano and every other fighter prime for prime. Tyson comes third because on his best night he beats or gives other all time greats a run for their money.

I don't see vitali sticking in a fight with a minor injury when he has marciano or tyson across the ring from him. Ali would have him busted upon in alittle over 3 rounds. The number 4 spot all-time and down the line can be debated over and over but it doesn't matter. After the winner, runner up, and honorable mention, everyone else is just a conversation starter.

Vitali has a record that your heroes never could match (W 35 (34 ko's) L 2 Total 37)hell he got that record knocking boxers out who knocked your heroes out.Don't go bringing up dead boxers and other boxers that you have heard of, they may have been champs of their era but that was then this is now.
As for the fight with byrd read.
http://www.eastsideboxing.com/boxing...ko-Profile.php

Your big Klit fan so your biased in no way has Vitali have wins close to legends name one great win that Vitali had that gets him in top 10 ??
04-15-2007, 05:14 PM
Gandalf

Re: This Is Worst Top 10 All time Heavyweights List I've Ever Seen

Quote:

Originally Posted by USA LOVES THE KLITSCHKOS

Quote:

Originally Posted by Punisher136

Ok for the last time:
MODERN DAY FIGHTERS HOLD NO DISTINCT ADVANTAGE OVER OLDER FIGHTERS!!!

Yeah they have better diets and blah blah blah but when people fought in the old days it was for survival they couldn't go back to their huge mansion with all their electronic bs they spent their money on food for their familes and wondered when their next paycheck was. The mental edge old school fighters had from rough upbringings equals or even surpasses the physical edge modern athletes have.

Vitali doesn't even belong in the top 30 all time. I don't care if he comes back and wins 50 fights in a row against the best in this division, He QUIT against chris byrd with three rounds to go and virtually no way of losing except a forifeit.

The other entrys are respectable but i dont like the order. Marciano was the best because you'd have to fight him for 15 rounds and odds are he'd catch you with a right and the fight would be over. Ali comes second because his great chin and mobility would possibly guide him to a victory over marciano and every other fighter prime for prime. Tyson comes third because on his best night he beats or gives other all time greats a run for their money.

I don't see vitali sticking in a fight with a minor injury when he has marciano or tyson across the ring from him. Ali would have him busted upon in alittle over 3 rounds. The number 4 spot all-time and down the line can be debated over and over but it doesn't matter. After the winner, runner up, and honorable mention, everyone else is just a conversation starter.

Vitali has a record that your heroes never could match (W 35 (34 ko's) L 2 Total 37)hell he got that record knocking boxers out who knocked your heroes out.Don't go bringing up dead boxers and other boxers that you have heard of, they may have been champs of their era but that was then this is now.
As for the fight with byrd read.
http://www.eastsideboxing.com/boxing...ko-Profile.php

And Vitali has beaten how many great fighters exactly? Your name gives you away without any way and your posts just show you out....

The guy before you made some very pertinent points. Pay some attention you might learn something! ;)
04-15-2007, 05:30 PM
USA LOVES THE KLITSCHKOS

Re: This Is Worst Top 10 All time Heavyweights List I've Ever Seen

Quote:

Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING

Quote:

Originally Posted by USA LOVES THE KLITSCHKOS

Quote:

Originally Posted by Punisher136

Ok for the last time:
MODERN DAY FIGHTERS HOLD NO DISTINCT ADVANTAGE OVER OLDER FIGHTERS!!!

Yeah they have better diets and blah blah blah but when people fought in the old days it was for survival they couldn't go back to their huge mansion with all their electronic bs they spent their money on food for their familes and wondered when their next paycheck was. The mental edge old school fighters had from rough upbringings equals or even surpasses the physical edge modern athletes have.

Vitali doesn't even belong in the top 30 all time. I don't care if he comes back and wins 50 fights in a row against the best in this division, He QUIT against chris byrd with three rounds to go and virtually no way of losing except a forifeit.

The other entrys are respectable but i dont like the order. Marciano was the best because you'd have to fight him for 15 rounds and odds are he'd catch you with a right and the fight would be over. Ali comes second because his great chin and mobility would possibly guide him to a victory over marciano and every other fighter prime for prime. Tyson comes third because on his best night he beats or gives other all time greats a run for their money.

I don't see vitali sticking in a fight with a minor injury when he has marciano or tyson across the ring from him. Ali would have him busted upon in alittle over 3 rounds. The number 4 spot all-time and down the line can be debated over and over but it doesn't matter. After the winner, runner up, and honorable mention, everyone else is just a conversation starter.

Vitali has a record that your heroes never could match (W 35 (34 ko's) L 2 Total 37)hell he got that record knocking boxers out who knocked your heroes out.Don't go bringing up dead boxers and other boxers that you have heard of, they may have been champs of their era but that was then this is now.
As for the fight with byrd read.
http://www.eastsideboxing.com/boxing...ko-Profile.php

Your big Klit fan so your biased in no way has Vitali have wins close to legends name one great win that Vitali had that gets him in top 10 ??

I base this on his record and who he has fought.He has never been ko'd or knocked down.He is good no matter who likes him or dislikes him. Look for yourself he has beaten some good boxers by KO.

http://www.boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=007033
04-15-2007, 05:32 PM
ICB

Re: This Is Worst Top 10 All time Heavyweights List I've Ever Seen

Anybody can have good record Brian Nielsen had good record is he all time not even close and just because he has never been down doesn't make him all time great and im still waiting on these good boxers he beat that gets him into top 10.
04-15-2007, 05:36 PM
USA LOVES THE KLITSCHKOS

Re: This Is Worst Top 10 All time Heavyweights List I've Ever Seen

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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING

Anybody can have good record Brian Nielsen had good record is he all time not even close and just because he has never been down doesn't make him all time great and im still waiting on these good boxers he beat that gets him into top 10.

Ever heard of these guys ?

date Lb opponent Lb wld last 6 location
2004-12-11 250 Danny Williams 270 32-3-0
Mandalay Bay, Las Vegas, NV, USA W TKO 8 12
~ Time: 1:26 | Referee: Jay Nady | Judge: Daniel Van de Wiele 70-60 | Judge: Jerry Roth 70-59 | Judge: Duane Ford 70-60 ~
~ WBC Heavyweight Title ~
Williams down in the 1st, 3rd, 7th & 8th rds.

2004-04-24 245 Corrie Sanders 235 39-2-0
Staples Center, Los Angeles, CA, USA W TKO 8 12
~ Time: 2:46 | Referee: Jon Schorle | Judge: Marty Denkin | Judge: Daniel Van de Wiele | Judge: Alfred Buqwana ~
~ Vacant WBC Heavyweight Title ~

2003-12-06 250 Kirk Johnson 260 34-1-1
Madison Square Garden, New York, NY, USA W TKO 2 12
~ Time: 2:54 | Referee: Arthur Mercante Jr. | Judge: Fred Ucci | Judge: Melvina Lathan | Judge: Tom Kaczmarek ~
WBC Heavyweight Title Eliminator

2003-06-21 248 Lennox Lewis 256½ 40-2-1
Staples Center, Los Angeles, CA, USA L TKO 6 12
~ Time: 3:00 | Referee: Lou Moret | 58-56 | 58-56 | 58-56 ~
~ WBC Heavyweight Title ~
~ IBO Heavyweight Title ~
Fight stopped due to a Klitschko cut.

2002-11-23 246¾ Larry Donald 225½ 39-2-2
Arena Westfalenhalle, Dortmund, Germany W TKO 10 12
~ Time: 2:35 | Referee: Stanley Christodoulou | Judge: Ove Ovesen | Judge: Guillermo Pérez Pineda | Judge: Jose Laurino ~
~ WBA Inter-Continental Heavyweight Title ~
WBA Heavyweight Title Eliminator

2002-02-08 244¾ Vaughn Bean 217½ 42-2-0
Volkswagen Halle, Braunschweig, Germany W TKO 11 12
~ Time: 1:40 | Referee: Terry O'Connor ~
~ WBA Inter-Continental Heavyweight Title ~

2001-12-08 249 Ross Puritty 247 28-14-3
Arena Oberhausen, Oberhausen, Nordrhein-Westfalen, Germany W TKO 11 12
~ Time: 1:16 | Referee: John Coyle ~
~ WBA Inter-Continental Heavyweight Title ~

2001-01-27 249 Orlin Norris 230½ 51-6-0
Rudi Sedlmayer Halle, München, Germany W KO 1 12
~ Time: 1:09 | Referee: Dave Parris | Judge: Francisco Martinez | Judge: Ove Ovesen | Judge: Axel Zielke ~
~ Vacant WBA Inter-Continental Heavyweight Title ~

2000-11-25 248¾ Timo Hoffmann 253 21-0-0
Preussag Arena, Hannover, Germany W UD 12 12
~ Referee: Richard James Davies | Judge: Antonio Pasamar 119-109 | Judge: Kurt Ströer 120-108 | Judge: Axel Zielke 120-108 ~
~ Vacant EBU (European) Heavyweight Title ~

2000-04-01 244¼ Chris Byrd 210¾ 30-1-0
Estrel Convention Center, Berlin, Neukölln, Germany L RTD 9 12
~ Referee: Genaro Rodriguez | Judge: Melvina Lathan 88-83 | Judge: Ruben M. Garcia Dr. 89-82 | Judge: Joachim Jacobsen 88-83 ~
~ WBO Heavyweight Title ~

1999-12-11 244¾ Obed Sullivan 227¾ 34-5-1
Sporthalle, Hamburg, Alsterdorf, Germany W TKO 9 12
~ Referee: Joe Cortez | Judge: Larry Hazzard Jr. 90-81 | Judge: Victor Salomon 90-81 | Judge: Axel Zielke 90-81 ~
~ WBO Heavyweight Title ~
Sullivan fails to answer the bell for Round 10. Ruled as a TKO after the 9th round.

1999-10-09 246 Ed Mahone 229¼ 21-0-2
Arena Oberhausen, Oberhausen, Nordrhein-Westfalen, Germany W TKO 3 12
~ Time: 1:45 | Referee: Rudy Battle | Judge: Luis Pabón 20-18 | Judge: Luca Montella 20-18 | Judge: Axel Zielke 20-18 ~
~ WBO Heavyweight Title ~

1999-06-26 245¾ Herbie Hide 221 31-1-0
New London Arena, Millwall, London, England W KO 2 12
~ Time: 1:14 | Referee: Genaro Rodriguez | Judge: Raúl Caíz 9-10 | Judge: Harold Lederm
04-15-2007, 05:39 PM
BoxingGorilla

Re: This Is Worst Top 10 All time Heavyweights List I've Ever Seen

What makes me shudder at first glance is that Bowe is ranked above Larry Holmes and Joe Lewis.

My top 10 all time list might make some folks gag though...

1. Joe Louis
2. Ali
3. Rocky Marciano
4. Larry Holmes
5. John (Late for supper) Sullivan
6. Jack Johnson
7. Gene Tunney
8. Jack Dempsy
9. Sonny Liston
10. Mike Tyson
04-15-2007, 05:40 PM
Gandalf

Re: This Is Worst Top 10 All time Heavyweights List I've Ever Seen

Quote:

Originally Posted by USA LOVES THE KLITSCHKOS

Quote:

Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING

Anybody can have good record Brian Nielsen had good record is he all time not even close and just because he has never been down doesn't make him all time great and im still waiting on these good boxers he beat that gets him into top 10.

Ever heard of these guys ?

date Lb opponent Lb wld last 6 location
2004-12-11 250 Danny Williams 270 32-3-0
Mandalay Bay, Las Vegas, NV, USA W TKO 8 12
~ Time: 1:26 | Referee: Jay Nady | Judge: Daniel Van de Wiele 70-60 | Judge: Jerry Roth 70-59 | Judge: Duane Ford 70-60 ~
~ WBC Heavyweight Title ~
Williams down in the 1st, 3rd, 7th & 8th rds.

2004-04-24 245 Corrie Sanders 235 39-2-0
Staples Center, Los Angeles, CA, USA W TKO 8 12
~ Time: 2:46 | Referee: Jon Schorle | Judge: Marty Denkin | Judge: Daniel Van de Wiele | Judge: Alfred Buqwana ~
~ Vacant WBC Heavyweight Title ~

2003-12-06 250 Kirk Johnson 260 34-1-1
Madison Square Garden, New York, NY, USA W TKO 2 12
~ Time: 2:54 | Referee: Arthur Mercante Jr. | Judge: Fred Ucci | Judge: Melvina Lathan | Judge: Tom Kaczmarek ~
WBC Heavyweight Title Eliminator

2003-06-21 248 Lennox Lewis 256½ 40-2-1
Staples Center, Los Angeles, CA, USA L TKO 6 12
~ Time: 3:00 | Referee: Lou Moret | 58-56 | 58-56 | 58-56 ~
~ WBC Heavyweight Title ~
~ IBO Heavyweight Title ~
Fight stopped due to a Klitschko cut.

2002-11-23 246¾ Larry Donald 225½ 39-2-2
Arena Westfalenhalle, Dortmund, Germany W TKO 10 12
~ Time: 2:35 | Referee: Stanley Christodoulou | Judge: Ove Ovesen | Judge: Guillermo Pérez Pineda | Judge: Jose Laurino ~
~ WBA Inter-Continental Heavyweight Title ~
WBA Heavyweight Title Eliminator

2002-02-08 244¾ Vaughn Bean 217½ 42-2-0
Volkswagen Halle, Braunschweig, Germany W TKO 11 12
~ Time: 1:40 | Referee: Terry O'Connor ~
~ WBA Inter-Continental Heavyweight Title ~

2001-12-08 249 Ross Puritty 247 28-14-3
Arena Oberhausen, Oberhausen, Nordrhein-Westfalen, Germany W TKO 11 12
~ Time: 1:16 | Referee: John Coyle ~
~ WBA Inter-Continental Heavyweight Title ~

2001-01-27 249 Orlin Norris 230½ 51-6-0
Rudi Sedlmayer Halle, München, Germany W KO 1 12
~ Time: 1:09 | Referee: Dave Parris | Judge: Francisco Martinez | Judge: Ove Ovesen | Judge: Axel Zielke ~
~ Vacant WBA Inter-Continental Heavyweight Title ~

2000-11-25 248¾ Timo Hoffmann 253 21-0-0
Preussag Arena, Hannover, Germany W UD 12 12
~ Referee: Richard James Davies | Judge: Antonio Pasamar 119-109 | Judge: Kurt Ströer 120-108 | Judge: Axel Zielke 120-108 ~
~ Vacant EBU (European) Heavyweight Title ~

2000-04-01 244¼ Chris Byrd 210¾ 30-1-0
Estrel Convention Center, Berlin, Neukölln, Germany L RTD 9 12
~ Referee: Genaro Rodriguez | Judge: Melvina Lathan 88-83 | Judge: Ruben M. Garcia Dr. 89-82 | Judge: Joachim Jacobsen 88-83 ~
~ WBO Heavyweight Title ~

1999-12-11 244¾ Obed Sullivan 227¾ 34-5-1
Sporthalle, Hamburg, Alsterdorf, Germany W TKO 9 12
~ Referee: Joe Cortez | Judge: Larry Hazzard Jr. 90-81 | Judge: Victor Salomon 90-81 | Judge: Axel Zielke 90-81 ~
~ WBO Heavyweight Title ~
Sullivan fails to answer the bell for Round 10. Ruled as a TKO after the 9th round.

1999-10-09 246 Ed Mahone 229¼ 21-0-2
Arena Oberhausen, Oberhausen, Nordrhein-Westfalen, Germany W TKO 3 12
~ Time: 1:45 | Referee: Rudy Battle | Judge: Luis Pabón 20-18 | Judge: Luca Montella 20-18 | Judge: Axel Zielke 20-18 ~
~ WBO Heavyweight Title ~

1999-06-26 245¾ Herbie Hide 221 31-1-0
New London Arena, Millwall, London, England W KO 2 12
~ Time: 1:14 | Referee: Genaro Rodriguez | Judge: Raúl Caíz 9-10 | Judge: Harold Lederm

All of those fighters changed the world and were the best in the division!! ::**

Since when did Herbie Hide have a part in the scheme of things?! :-\
04-15-2007, 05:42 PM
ICB

Re: This Is Worst Top 10 All time Heavyweights List I've Ever Seen

An old Larry Donald don't cut it

Corrie Sander's yes good win but hardly great win

Sorry not seen Kirk can't comment

Losing to Lewis how does that get you into top 10 if thats case Mercer should be top 10 because he almost beat Lewis by decision

Vaughn Bean ?? all i know about him is he lost to Holyfield

Oh please Ross Puritty is journeyman

Orlin Norris was decent thats about it

Chris Byrd natural cruiserweight ??

Time Hoffman lost to journeyman Michael Sprott

Herbie Hide had one of weakest chins in hw history and is natural cruiserweight

Obed got koed in first round by Tua

Ed Mahone who ??

Sorry that doesn't cut it.
04-15-2007, 05:46 PM
USA LOVES THE KLITSCHKOS

Re: This Is Worst Top 10 All time Heavyweights List I've Ever Seen

The loss Vitali got from the Lewis fight was bs like Jameel McCline and his loss to Nikolay Valuev.Just a plane old chickenshit win for Lewis.
04-15-2007, 05:48 PM
ICB

Re: This Is Worst Top 10 All time Heavyweights List I've Ever Seen

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Originally Posted by USA LOVES THE KLITSCHKOS

The loss Vitali got from the Lewis fight was bs like Jameel McCline and his loss to Nikolay Valuev.Just a plane old chickenshit win.

Uhh i call it delivering a right hand cutting the other guy so bad that fight has to be called off i would say Mercer vs Lewis is much more debatable because that could of been Mercer's decision i personally scored it draw.
04-15-2007, 05:49 PM
BoxingGorilla

Re: This Is Worst Top 10 All time Heavyweights List I've Ever Seen

LOL my bad. I read the list backwards. I didn't notice it was countin down. I still don't like it though.
04-15-2007, 05:49 PM
Gandalf

Re: This Is Worst Top 10 All time Heavyweights List I've Ever Seen

Quote:

Originally Posted by USA LOVES THE KLITSCHKOS

The loss Vitali got from the Lewis fight was bs like Jameel McCline and his loss to Nikolay Valuev.Just a plane old chickenshit win for Lewis.

No it wasnt. It was a loss from heavy hands upon relatively weak flesh. If the fight had continued a bloodbath would have ensued and a face transplant would have been needed...
04-15-2007, 05:56 PM
Trainer Monkey

Re: This Is Worst Top 10 All time Heavyweights List I've Ever Seen

Quote:

Originally Posted by BoxingGorilla

What makes me shudder at first glance is that Bowe is ranked above Larry Holmes and Joe Lewis.

My top 10 all time list might make some folks gag though...

1. Joe Louis
2. Ali
3. Rocky Marciano
4. Larry Holmes
5. John (Late for supper) Sullivan
6. Jack Johnson
7. Gene Tunney
8. Jack Dempsy
9. Sonny Liston
10. Mike Tyson

I like that list a hell of alot better then the one posted,thats for sure
04-15-2007, 05:56 PM
USA LOVES THE KLITSCHKOS

Re: This Is Worst Top 10 All time Heavyweights List I've Ever Seen

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Originally Posted by miles

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Originally Posted by USA LOVES THE KLITSCHKOS

The loss Vitali got from the Lewis fight was bs like Jameel McCline and his loss to Nikolay Valuev.Just a plane old chickenshit win for Lewis.

No it wasnt. It was a loss from heavy hands upon relatively weak flesh. If the fight had continued a bloodbath would have ensued and a face transplant would have been needed...

Why did'nt lewis go through with the rematch ?
04-15-2007, 05:58 PM
warreng

Re: This Is Worst Top 10 All time Heavyweights List I've Ever Seen

I have to agree that the old fighters where tougher as some would fight around 15 fights in a year even if they had broken bones or cuts they would still fight a few weeks later unlike todays fighter who fight 2 or 3 time a year nd probably jst once if they get injured so i think thats a gd mesure of how tough they where but one thing i will say is that today fights get stopped as soon as someone looks hurt but in them days the ref rarely stopped fights so i think thats why there fights where more exciting nd brutal.I also agree that vitali does not deserve to be on that list due to the fact he hasnt acheived as much as the others nd his biggest acheivement as far is getting beaten by lewis nd i aint hating on him as i do think hes the best heavyweight around today but to be honest that is wot he known 4
04-15-2007, 06:01 PM
amat

Re: This Is Worst Top 10 All time Heavyweights List I've Ever Seen

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Originally Posted by USA LOVES THE KLITSCHKOS

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Originally Posted by miles

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Originally Posted by USA LOVES THE KLITSCHKOS

The loss Vitali got from the Lewis fight was bs like Jameel McCline and his loss to Nikolay Valuev.Just a plane old chickenshit win for Lewis.

No it wasnt. It was a loss from heavy hands upon relatively weak flesh. If the fight had continued a bloodbath would have ensued and a face transplant would have been needed...

Why did'nt lewis go through with the rematch ?

Because he would have been 40 by the time the fight rolled around, a time by which almost every fighter out there is retired already.
04-16-2007, 12:56 AM
THE THIRD MAN

Re: This Is Worst Top 10 All time Heavyweights List I've Ever Seen

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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING

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Originally Posted by Punisher136

And where might you have stumbled upon this debacle?

http://jmbtandy.wordpress.com/2007/0...ts-in-history/

I didn't bother to read it all because list put me off ;D

They forgot to put Marvin Hart in there!! ::**
04-16-2007, 03:16 AM
Beanflicker

Re: This Is Worst Top 10 All time Heavyweights List I've Ever Seen

This guy about Muhammad ALi. "Self proclaimed best ever but for me Ali just didn’t do enough."

What the fuck else did this guy want Ali to do?? He beat the best in IMO the best era EVER of HW boxing.

Seriously, I'm all for people having their own opinons, but this guy is retarded. I think one of those cocks went a little too far up his ass one time and banged into his brain.
04-16-2007, 07:37 AM
CutMeMick

Re: This Is Worst Top 10 All time Heavyweights List I've Ever Seen

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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING

10. Vitali Klitschko
9. George Foreman
8. Riddick Bowe
7. Larry Holmes
6. Joe Louis
5. Evander Holfield
4. Lennox Lewis
3. Muhammad Ali
2. Rocky Marciano
1. Mike Tyson
:o

I love Vitali but #10 :(
Bowe #8 :o
Lennox #4 :puke:
Tyson #1 :-X
04-16-2007, 10:50 AM
DaxxKahn

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Originally Posted by USA LOVES THE KLITSCHKOS

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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING

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Originally Posted by USA LOVES THE KLITSCHKOS

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Originally Posted by Punisher136

Ok for the last time:
MODERN DAY FIGHTERS HOLD NO DISTINCT ADVANTAGE OVER OLDER FIGHTERS!!!

Yeah they have better diets and blah blah blah but when people fought in the old days it was for survival they couldn't go back to their huge mansion with all their electronic bs they spent their money on food for their familes and wondered when their next paycheck was. The mental edge old school fighters had from rough upbringings equals or even surpasses the physical edge modern athletes have.

Vitali doesn't even belong in the top 30 all time. I don't care if he comes back and wins 50 fights in a row against the best in this division, He QUIT against chris byrd with three rounds to go and virtually no way of losing except a forifeit.

The other entrys are respectable but i dont like the order. Marciano was the best because you'd have to fight him for 15 rounds and odds are he'd catch you with a right and the fight would be over. Ali comes second because his great chin and mobility would possibly guide him to a victory over marciano and every other fighter prime for prime. Tyson comes third because on his best night he beats or gives other all time greats a run for their money.

I don't see vitali sticking in a fight with a minor injury when he has marciano or tyson across the ring from him. Ali would have him busted upon in alittle over 3 rounds. The number 4 spot all-time and down the line can be debated over and over but it doesn't matter. After the winner, runner up, and honorable mention, everyone else is just a conversation starter.

Vitali has a record that your heroes never could match (W 35 (34 ko's) L 2 Total 37)hell he got that record knocking boxers out who knocked your heroes out.Don't go bringing up dead boxers and other boxers that you have heard of, they may have been champs of their era but that was then this is now.
As for the fight with byrd read.
http://www.eastsideboxing.com/boxing...ko-Profile.php

Your big Klit fan so your biased in no way has Vitali have wins close to legends name one great win that Vitali had that gets him in top 10 ??

I base this on his record and who he has fought.He has never been ko'd or knocked down.He is good no matter who likes him or dislikes him. Look for yourself he has beaten some good boxers by KO.

http://www.boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=007033

OH WILL YOU SHUT UP ABOUT THE KLITSCHKOS ALREADY....
04-16-2007, 10:54 AM
TheBESTP4P

Re: This Is Worst Top 10 All time Heavyweights List I've Ever Seen

donde esta juan ruiz? ;D
04-16-2007, 11:25 AM
DaxxKahn

Re: This Is Worst Top 10 All time Heavyweights List I've Ever Seen

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Originally Posted by USA LOVES THE KLITSCHKOS

The loss Vitali got from the Lewis fight was bs like Jameel McCline and his loss to Nikolay Valuev.Just a plane old chickenshit win for Lewis.

Please enlighten us on exactly what Vitaly has done to be considered an all time great???......

Fought and aging Lennox Lewis??

No wait he beat on Danny Williams...something that seems to be a trend in HW boxing unless your name is Tyson...

No hold on he beat Corrie Sanders and was beating Chris Byrd until the injury right....

Please jump in at any time here...
04-16-2007, 11:29 AM
Sugar_Shaw

Re: This Is Worst Top 10 All time Heavyweights List I've Ever Seen

Disgraceful list...Tyson shouldnt be first and why are 'Tali and Bowe on there too... where is Frazier,Sam Langford, Jack Johnson etc
04-16-2007, 07:18 PM
Punisher136

Re: This Is Worst Top 10 All time Heavyweights List I've Ever Seen

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Originally Posted by USA LOVES THE KLITSCHKOS

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Originally Posted by Punisher136

Ok for the last time:
MODERN DAY FIGHTERS HOLD NO DISTINCT ADVANTAGE OVER OLDER FIGHTERS!!!

Yeah they have better diets and blah blah blah but when people fought in the old days it was for survival they couldn't go back to their huge mansion with all their electronic bs they spent their money on food for their familes and wondered when their next paycheck was. The mental edge old school fighters had from rough upbringings equals or even surpasses the physical edge modern athletes have.

Vitali doesn't even belong in the top 30 all time. I don't care if he comes back and wins 50 fights in a row against the best in this division, He QUIT against chris byrd with three rounds to go and virtually no way of losing except a forifeit.

The other entrys are respectable but i dont like the order. Marciano was the best because you'd have to fight him for 15 rounds and odds are he'd catch you with a right and the fight would be over. Ali comes second because his great chin and mobility would possibly guide him to a victory over marciano and every other fighter prime for prime. Tyson comes third because on his best night he beats or gives other all time greats a run for their money.

I don't see vitali sticking in a fight with a minor injury when he has marciano or tyson across the ring from him. Ali would have him busted upon in alittle over 3 rounds. The number 4 spot all-time and down the line can be debated over and over but it doesn't matter. After the winner, runner up, and honorable mention, everyone else is just a conversation starter.

Vitali has a record that your heroes never could match (W 35 (34 ko's) L 2 Total 37)hell he got that record knocking boxers out who knocked your heroes out.Don't go bringing up dead boxers and other boxers that you have heard of, they may have been champs of their era but that was then this is now.
As for the fight with byrd read.
http://www.eastsideboxing.com/boxing...ko-Profile.php

"The doctor did not need x-rays to convince him there was a serious problem. He knew he was hurting and in extreme pain. So Vitali Klitschko, a proud, educated man with a doctorate in sports science and philosophy, did what he felt was a most intelligent thing. He quit on his stool in a World Boxing Organization title defense against Chris Byrd on April 1, 2000, in Berlin, Germany."

You know this article was written by a clown. He forgot to mention that on weekends vitali flys around saving old ladies from evil doers and parting rivers just for the hell of it because he's vitali klitschko.

on a serious note:

He did the smart thing huh? He went to college (some people dont get that chance to) for all those years just so he could professionally get punched in the face but he did the smart thing right? Quitting in a match he had won three times over because he was hurt. Let me explain something to you. Ali had a broken jaw against norton and didnt quit. People don't watch boxing just so they can see their favorite boxer quit when he gets a boo boo. What that says is Vitali was a great champ while he had no physical obstacles in his way but once he actually got in pain he couldn't take it. Thats what that says about him.
04-16-2007, 07:44 PM
USA LOVES THE KLITSCHKOS

Re: This Is Worst Top 10 All time Heavyweights List I've Ever Seen

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Originally Posted by Punisher136

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Originally Posted by USA LOVES THE KLITSCHKOS

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Originally Posted by Punisher136

Ok for the last time:
MODERN DAY FIGHTERS HOLD NO DISTINCT ADVANTAGE OVER OLDER FIGHTERS!!!

Yeah they have better diets and blah blah blah but when people fought in the old days it was for survival they couldn't go back to their huge mansion with all their electronic bs they spent their money on food for their familes and wondered when their next paycheck was. The mental edge old school fighters had from rough upbringings equals or even surpasses the physical edge modern athletes have.

Vitali doesn't even belong in the top 30 all time. I don't care if he comes back and wins 50 fights in a row against the best in this division, He QUIT against chris byrd with three rounds to go and virtually no way of losing except a forifeit.

The other entrys are respectable but i dont like the order. Marciano was the best because you'd have to fight him for 15 rounds and odds are he'd catch you with a right and the fight would be over. Ali comes second because his great chin and mobility would possibly guide him to a victory over marciano and every other fighter prime for prime. Tyson comes third because on his best night he beats or gives other all time greats a run for their money.

I don't see vitali sticking in a fight with a minor injury when he has marciano or tyson across the ring from him. Ali would have him busted upon in alittle over 3 rounds. The number 4 spot all-time and down the line can be debated over and over but it doesn't matter. After the winner, runner up, and honorable mention, everyone else is just a conversation starter.

Vitali has a record that your heroes never could match (W 35 (34 ko's) L 2 Total 37)hell he got that record knocking boxers out who knocked your heroes out.Don't go bringing up dead boxers and other boxers that you have heard of, they may have been champs of their era but that was then this is now.
As for the fight with byrd read.
http://www.eastsideboxing.com/boxing...ko-Profile.php

"The doctor did not need x-rays to convince him there was a serious problem. He knew he was hurting and in extreme pain. So Vitali Klitschko, a proud, educated man with a doctorate in sports science and philosophy, did what he felt was a most intelligent thing. He quit on his stool in a World Boxing Organization title defense against Chris Byrd on April 1, 2000, in Berlin, Germany."

You know this article was written by a clown. He forgot to mention that on weekends vitali flys around saving old ladies from evil doers and parting rivers just for the hell of it because he's vitali klitschko.

on a serious note:

He did the smart thing huh? He went to college (some people dont get that chance to) for all those years just so he could professionally get punched in the face but he did the smart thing right? Quitting in a match he had won three times over because he was hurt. Let me explain something to you. Ali had a broken jaw against norton and didnt quit. People don't watch boxing just so they can see their favorite boxer quit when he gets a boo boo. What that says is Vitali was a great champ while he had no physical obstacles in his way but once he actually got in pain he couldn't take it. Thats what that says about him.

Well I guess you're running around talking shit about Jameel McCline. I guess you could say he quit when he hurt his leg.When you can't go on you can't go on!
Fighting with a broken jaw happens more than you think but you're so fucking smart I guess I did'nt need to tell you.Take Tommy Morrison everyone said he had a glass jaw but he fought WITH A BROKEN JAW AND WON SO DON'T HAND ME THAT CHICKENSHIT COMPARISON. Like Jameel McCline's knee just cause YOU could'nt see it or feel it don't mean that they can go on. peace out mofo ;)
04-16-2007, 07:53 PM
Punisher136

Re: This Is Worst Top 10 All time Heavyweights List I've Ever Seen

im not talking shit on mccline because he hurt his knee against an opponent that was superior to him and the fight was only 3 rounds in. Mccline is overrated trash and that all he's ever been. Its not like mccline hurt his knee late in the fight and he knew he had the fight in the books against an opponent that couldn't hurt him. To my understanding mccline couldn't even stand up. you cant win a match on your back. I can't believe i just said valuev was superior to somebody..... :'(

Vitali messed up his shoulder in round three and he obviously went on for 6 others. There have been other boxers who finished fights with a torn rotator cuff. Everyone trashes jeff lacy. atleast he had the balls to finish a fight injured unlike the uninvincible ukranian warrior that people worship for some unknown reason.
04-16-2007, 09:50 PM
LBSCFC

Re: This Is Worst Top 10 All time Heavyweights List I've Ever Seen

i think were off the subject here. i thought the post was regarding the top 10 heavyweights of all time. i think its a no brainer that klitschko isnt even close
04-17-2007, 03:54 AM
Punisher136

Re: This Is Worst Top 10 All time Heavyweights List I've Ever Seen

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Originally Posted by LBSCFC

i think were off the subject here. i thought the post was regarding the top 10 heavyweights of all time. i think its a no brainer that klitschko isnt even close

the subject was how terrible the list was and the majority of the conversation came from vitali getting the 10th spot.
04-17-2007, 04:10 AM
undefeated

Re: This Is Worst Top 10 All time Heavyweights List I've Ever Seen

top 10 heavyweights r nothing more than personal opinions

tyson as #1 is acceptable 2 me--he only lost 1 fight during his prime--much like joe louis--when tyson came back from jail--he was just a shadow of the tyson that ruled the hw division-if joe louis went "away" for 5 yrs also he wouldnt have been the same either. tyson at 1 time was fearless, ruthless and brutal and even a scientific fighter

top 10
james toney jk ;D
1 muhammad ali
2 joe louis
3 rocky marciano
4 joe frazier
5 george foreman
6 larry holmes
7 evander holyfield
8 mike tyson-- b4 jail
9 sam langford
10 ezzard charles
04-17-2007, 04:16 AM
Punisher136

Re: This Is Worst Top 10 All time Heavyweights List I've Ever Seen

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Originally Posted by undefeated

top 10 heavyweights r nothing more than personal opinions

tyson as #1 is acceptable 2 me--he only lost 1 fight during his prime--much like joe louis--when tyson came back from jail--he was just a shadow of the tyson that ruled the hw division-if joe louis went "away" for 5 yrs also he wouldnt have been the same either. tyson at 1 time was fearless, ruthless and brutal and even a scientific fighter

top 10
james toney jk ;D
1 muhammad ali
2 joe louis
3 rocky marciano
4 joe frazier
5 george foreman
6 larry holmes
7 evander holyfield
8 mike tyson-- b4 jail
9 sam langford
10 ezzard charles

a prime tyson ranks high reardless you dont believe me watch some tapes on him. Boxing has been around for over 100 years naturally there are gonna be more than 10 fighters that somebody could claim as "the best".

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