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04-16-2007, 02:08 AM
eagle

rafael marquez

I havent followed the smaller divisions much but saw marquez really give israel vasquez a beating the other day and thought he looked a top class fighter. Was wondering if you guys could tell me more about rafael and is there any chance of him moving up even more an challengng someone lik pac at 130?
04-16-2007, 07:18 AM
CutMeMick

Re: rafael marquez

Rafas technically sound both he and his brother are trained by 'Nacho' Beristein, Mexicos greatest trainer and one of the IF not the most technical trainer ever. Having trained 2 of the most technically sound fighters the great 'Finito' Lopez and Gilberto Roman. Hes also trained Daniel Zaragoza & Humberto Gonzalez all GREAT Champs.

About Rafa, he caught his 1st break when he was gonna be used as a stepping stone for the then very fast and skilled Mark 'Too Sharp' Johnson when they met in 2001. I've seen this fight a lot lately cause it's one of the 1st fights I converted to DVD in my collection.
It was a HUGE step up in class for Rafa the fight started off well with Johnson being faster and flashier but Rafa was landing the harder punches. As the fight wen't on Johson started using dirty tactics and began to hit after the break and and hit behind the head. Rafa kept his composure and fought on. In the middle rounds Rafa started getting the better of the trades going toe to toe. Towards the end of the fight Johnson head locks Rafa and the ref. after warning Johnson takes away a point. Rafas power catches up to Johnson and Rafa snaps Johnsons head back and makes Johnson stumble to the ropes. Johnson keeps his balance and Rafa fires away hurting Johnson as Johnson beigns to hold and run away from Rafa. In the end Johnson was announced the winner but minutes later it was found that one of the judges scorecards was added wrong. In the end IMO the Rafa won that fight. To clear ANY mix ups from the 1st meeting they did it again 4 months later and Rafa TKO'd him in 8 rds.
That was the begining of the Rafa we know now.
He then faced Austin the then slick champ. Rafa was fighting a good fight Austin was slick and moved around a lot and was wining rounds when in the 8th Rafa power again catches up to Austin and captures the IBF title.
Since then hes been fighting top opponents and has defeated anyone the IBF has put in front of him. There is no doubt that beating Vasquez is his biggest win but thats without saying hes beat some prominent opponents in his career. He has good power in both hands and can either box or trade if he has to.
I personally would like to see Marquez vs. Vasquez II, I mean Vasquez gave him a shot it's only right Marquez returns the deed.
In the NEAR future I would like to see Marquez fight the winner of Molitor vs. Ndlovu.
04-16-2007, 07:21 AM
CutMeMick

Re: rafael marquez

eagle,

And incase you missed it I did an *Exclusive* ringside slides show & video of the Rafael Marquez vs. Israel Vasquez fight.

Heres the link to the thread. ;)

http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxing_fo...c,43924.0.html
04-16-2007, 07:23 AM
TheBESTP4P

Re: rafael marquez

Quote:

Originally Posted by CutMeMicK

Rafas technically sound both he and his brother are trained by 'Nacho' Beristein, Mexicos greatest trainer and one of the IF not the most technical trainer ever. Having trained 2 of the most technically sound fighters the great 'Finito' Lopez and Gilberto Roman. Hes also trained Daniel Zaragoza & Humberto Gonzalez all GREAT Champs.

About Rafa, he caught his 1st break when he was gonna be used as a stepping stone for the then very fast and skilled Mark 'Too Sharp' Johnson when they met in 2001. I've seen this fight a lot lately cause it's one of the 1st fights I converted to DVD in my collection.
It was a HUGE step up in class for Rafa the fight started off well with Johnson being faster and flashier but Rafa was landing the harder punches. As the fight wen't on Johson started using dirty tactics and began to hit after the break and and hit behind the head. Rafa kept his composure and fought on. In the middle rounds Rafa started getting the better of the trades going toe to toe. Towards the end of the fight Johnson head locks Rafa and the ref. after warning Johnson takes away a point. Rafas power catches up to Johnson and Rafa snaps Johnsons head back and makes Johnson stumble to the ropes. Johnson keeps his balance and Rafa fires away hurting Johnson as Johnson beigns to hold and run away from Rafa. In the end Johnson was announced the winner but minutes later it was found that one of the judges scorecards was added wrong. In the end IMO the Rafa won that fight. To clear ANY mix ups from the 1st meeting they did it again 4 months later and Rafa TKO'd him in 8 rds.
That was the begining of the Rafa we know now.
He then faced Austin the then slick champ. Rafa was fighting a good fight Austin was slick and moved around a lot and was wining rounds when in the 8th Rafa power again catches up to Austin and captures the IBF title.
Since then hes been fighting top opponents and has defeated anyone the IBF has put in front of him. There is no doubt that beating Vasquez is his biggest win but thats without saying hes beat some prominent opponents in his career. He has good power in both hands and can either box or trade if he has to.
I personally would like to see Marquez vs. Vasquez II, I mean Vasquez gave him a shot it's only right Marquez returns the deed.
In the NEAR future I would like to see Marquez fight the winner of Molitor vs. Ndlovu.

I agree with everything Rawberto stated, even about Nacho, but Nacho is also unfortunately the reason why i feel the Marquez bros are still so underated/under respected for not taking the bigger named fighters in their younger prime years: JMM more so with mab, nas, etc.
04-16-2007, 07:24 AM
mike_tha_man

Re: rafael marquez

Well......
Uhmmmmm..........
Ok....................................
I guess CutMeMick said it all.
;) :D
04-16-2007, 07:25 AM
CutMeMick

Re: rafael marquez

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheBESTP4P

I agree with everything Rawberto stated, even about Nacho, but Nacho is also unfortunately the reason why i feel the Marquez bros are still so underated/under respected for not taking the bigger named fighters in their younger prime years: JMM more so with mab, nas, etc.

Yeah! 'Nacho' ain't no Mngr. :nono:
04-16-2007, 07:25 AM
CutMeMick

Re: rafael marquez

Quote:

Originally Posted by mike_tha_man

Well......
Uhmmmmm..........
Ok....................................
I guess CutMeMick said it all.
;) :D

;D
04-16-2007, 07:27 AM
TheBESTP4P

Re: rafael marquez

Quote:

Originally Posted by CutMeMicK

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheBESTP4P

I agree with everything Rawberto stated, even about Nacho, but Nacho is also unfortunately the reason why i feel the Marquez bros are still so underated/under respected for not taking the bigger named fighters in their younger prime years: JMM more so with mab, nas, etc.

Yeah! 'Nacho' ain't no Mngr. :nono:

seriously bro if nacho let JMM fight MAB and Nas when he was younger and such damn son he'd be way bigger than MAB and EM in my eyes right now!
04-16-2007, 07:31 AM
Julius Rain

Re: rafael marquez

rafael marquez is the best below pacmans division.

i'd still want to see isreal and rafa rematch though.
04-16-2007, 07:38 AM
TheBESTP4P

Re: rafael marquez

Quote:

Originally Posted by Julius Rain

rafael marquez is the best below pacmans division.

i'd still want to see isreal and rafa rematch though.

yeah man their first fight was fight of the year IMO!

im still pissed at RAWBERTO for getting to go to that fight and having such good seats on top of that you bastard! :lickish:
04-16-2007, 07:47 AM
CutMeMick

Re: rafael marquez

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheBESTP4P

Quote:

Originally Posted by Julius Rain

rafael marquez is the best below pacmans division.

i'd still want to see isreal and rafa rematch though.

yeah man their first fight was fight of the year IMO!

im still pissed at RAWBERTO for getting to go to that fight and having such good seats on top of that you bastard! :lickish:

Goes without saying you were at Grand Finale. :P
04-16-2007, 07:50 AM
Julius Rain

Re: rafael marquez

Quote:

Originally Posted by CutMeMicK

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheBESTP4P

Quote:

Originally Posted by Julius Rain

rafael marquez is the best below pacmans division.

i'd still want to see isreal and rafa rematch though.

yeah man their first fight was fight of the year IMO!

im still pissed at RAWBERTO for getting to go to that fight and having such good seats on top of that you bastard! :lickish:

Goes without saying you were at Grand Finale. :P

your lucky to have pics with legends eric, mab, and jmm.

eric look a bit awkward taking a pic though hehe, but i think his still the best!
04-16-2007, 07:54 AM
CutMeMick

Re: rafael marquez

Quote:

Originally Posted by Julius Rain

your lucky to have pics with legends eric, mab, and jmm.

eric look a bit awkward taking a pic though hehe, but i think his still the best!

Heres CC#4 on me Julius Rain...

Thanks...

Well the pic. with Erik is a little blury as I had the flash off :P cause I didn't want a BRIGHT ass pic. so I took off the flash....

Security was not allowing people who did not have ringside seats be there so as I was taking the picture people were trying to sneak past security to try and get a picture with Erik so the people around us started pushing and shoving the security and it was getting hectic.
But yeah! that was a good night of boxing.
04-16-2007, 08:28 AM
TheBESTP4P

Re: rafael marquez

Quote:

Originally Posted by CutMeMicK

Quote:

Originally Posted by Julius Rain

your lucky to have pics with legends eric, mab, and jmm.

eric look a bit awkward taking a pic though hehe, but i think his still the best!

Heres CC#4 on me Julius Rain...

Thanks...

Well the pic. with Erik is a little blury as I had the flash off :P cause I didn't want a BRIGHT a** pic. so I took off the flash....

Security was not allowing people who did not have ringside seats be there so as I was taking the picture people were trying to sneak past security to try and get a picture with Erik so the people around us started pushing and shoving the security and it was getting hectic.
But yeah! that was a good night of boxing.

rawberto bro im still waiting for that one mexican fighter to deny you once and for all and be thinking hes too big for his loyal fans and then have you biotch about him in the forums non stop LOL
04-17-2007, 01:14 AM
eagle

Re: rafael marquez

Quote:

Originally Posted by CutMeMicK

Rafas technically sound both he and his brother are trained by 'Nacho' Beristein, Mexicos greatest trainer and one of the IF not the most technical trainer ever. Having trained 2 of the most technically sound fighters the great 'Finito' Lopez and Gilberto Roman. Hes also trained Daniel Zaragoza & Humberto Gonzalez all GREAT Champs.

About Rafa, he caught his 1st break when he was gonna be used as a stepping stone for the then very fast and skilled Mark 'Too Sharp' Johnson when they met in 2001. I've seen this fight a lot lately cause it's one of the 1st fights I converted to DVD in my collection.
It was a HUGE step up in class for Rafa the fight started off well with Johnson being faster and flashier but Rafa was landing the harder punches. As the fight wen't on Johson started using dirty tactics and began to hit after the break and and hit behind the head. Rafa kept his composure and fought on. In the middle rounds Rafa started getting the better of the trades going toe to toe. Towards the end of the fight Johnson head locks Rafa and the ref. after warning Johnson takes away a point. Rafas power catches up to Johnson and Rafa snaps Johnsons head back and makes Johnson stumble to the ropes. Johnson keeps his balance and Rafa fires away hurting Johnson as Johnson beigns to hold and run away from Rafa. In the end Johnson was announced the winner but minutes later it was found that one of the judges scorecards was added wrong. In the end IMO the Rafa won that fight. To clear ANY mix ups from the 1st meeting they did it again 4 months later and Rafa TKO'd him in 8 rds.
That was the begining of the Rafa we know now.
He then faced Austin the then slick champ. Rafa was fighting a good fight Austin was slick and moved around a lot and was wining rounds when in the 8th Rafa power again catches up to Austin and captures the IBF title.
Since then hes been fighting top opponents and has defeated anyone the IBF has put in front of him. There is no doubt that beating Vasquez is his biggest win but thats without saying hes beat some prominent opponents in his career. He has good power in both hands and can either box or trade if he has to.
I personally would like to see Marquez vs. Vasquez II, I mean Vasquez gave him a shot it's only right Marquez returns the deed.
In the NEAR future I would like to see Marquez fight the winner of Molitor vs. Ndlovu.

Thanks mate good info. cool click for you.
04-17-2007, 01:33 AM
CutMeMick

Re: rafael marquez

Quote:

Originally Posted by eagle

Thanks mate good info. cool click for you.

Thanks.
Heres CC#19 on me. :)