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We more or less keep it to Protein and Creatine
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So with protien shakes I can still make a lean 125 ? Remember I'm coming down from 134
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Feur could probably explain this better(shes the one with the degree in sports medicine) but here goes
What your trying to avoid is high starch/carb/fat foods like pasta,or ground beef(oddly steak is not that high,but ground beef is) and pork by all means
Youll need to put in the lost protein/iron somehow
Also the creatine will help you bounce back faster from your workouts,and to shave that much off,youll need to train your butt off
For the love of god though,keep yourself heavily hydrated while using it.
I havent checked,since we no longer use it,but I dont know if Andro is banned yet,but that has even greater dehydration issues.
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thanks
De Nada,you hit us at exactly the right moment,as depending on what we get offer,Feur may have to come from Super Middleweight to meet a light middle weight in the middle.So we're working on how to shave down if we have to as well
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If you're trying to cut weight, creatine is the last friggin thing you want.
I'd suggest bulking up to a higher class. I'm pretty sure they're banned by whatever state's athletic commission you're in, but Haladrol 50 and Sustevol are good stuff, at least as far as that they're legal and they work. I really couldn't reccomend it health-wise though. They're both VERY chemically similar to known/banned steroids.
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If you're trying to cut weight, creatine is the last friggin thing you want.
I'd suggest bulking up to a higher class. I'm pretty sure they're banned by whatever state's athletic commission you're in, but Haladrol 50 and Sustevol are good stuff, at least as far as that they're legal and they work. I really couldn't reccomend it health-wise though. They're both VERY chemically similar to known/banned steroids.
Check the original post
Guys issue is love handles,he'll be able to train harder with the Tine
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If you only have 'a bit' of fat on you then you're not going to be able to loose that fat and build muscle whilst coming down in weight... ;)
Muscle has a weight you know? :P.... infact it's roughly 3 times the weight of fat :)
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If you only have 'a bit' of fat on you then you're not going to be able to loose that fat and build muscle whilst coming down in weight... ;)
Muscle has a weight you know? :P.... infact it's roughly 3 times the weight of fat :)
But you get the samebounce back factor from creatine wether or not your doing aerobic or anaerobic excercises
Its all a matter of what your training towards,not what you put in to your body
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I never said anything about Creatine.
He said he wants to lose the little bit of fat that he has and gain lean Muscle mass whilst moving down in weight from 135 to 125.
Not happening, unless muscle isn't 3 times denser than fat or he has more than 'a little' fat to lose.
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If you only have 'a bit' of fat on you then you're not going to be able to loose that fat and build muscle whilst coming down in weight... ;)
Muscle has a weight you know? :P.... infact it's roughly 3 times the weight of fat :)
But you get the samebounce back factor from creatine wether or not your doing aerobic or anaerobic excercises
Its all a matter of what your training towards,not what you put in to your body
When you say 'Bounce back' factor are you talking about it helping to reduce DOMS?
Creatine will supply more energy to the ATP-CP system so yeah... he could possibly train harder on it... but if he cuts on fat and particularly carbohydrates then Anaerobically, at least as far as the Lactic system is concerned he's not gonna be getting quality training in... Aerobically to an extent too... your fat reserves aren't enough.
He doesn't need to go on any low carb diet and force weight off himself... if he was training purely for fat loss... aesthetics etc then yes... but as soon as those carbs go... his [u]boxing[/b] training will suffer... the quality will go... it's not just quanity he needs to develop.
I'd never recommend any athlete go on a low carb diet... especially in the middle of the season. He's an amatuer boxer... no need to drasticly cut weight... just train hard and smart and eat sensibly... you can supplement Creatine, Protein, L-Carnitine etc... what ever... anything that helps you to develop... but avoiding carbs just so you can loose some fat?
Plus if he avoids starch then his shit is gonna wreak... :P
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A "little fat to lose" is of course the million dollar question
But that aside,there's a world of difference between lowering your carb intake,and wiping it out entirely
Or to put it in to a fat/carb meal context,its the difference between a big ol bowl of pasta with heavy ground beef meat sauce,and garlic bread,and having a well done steak off the grill,some lightly salted tater tots and a salad with a lite Italian dressing
One meals a love handle waiting to happen,and the other provides you what you need
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I personally don't think that carbs are such a terrible thing. They're a great source of energy. Just make sure you try to steer clear of too many empty carbs that come from sugars. They burn too fast and make you feel kind of crummy when they wear off while training. Compex carbohydrates seem to fuel you better over the longer stretches of a worker. Protein is going to be necessary to help rebuild muscles in between workouts. I think the main thing is to eat a balanced diet and keep close track of your caloric intake.
Adam's absolutely right though. If you put on muscle, your overall body weight is going to go up, not down. Even if you do trim off the excess fat (except in the case of a person whose got a lot of fat to loose). Like he said, muscle weighs about three times as much as fat so if you're looking to come down in weight, you'll need be very careful about building muscle.
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Oh, yeah. And don't forget the Mars Bars to help you recover. (Anyone else remember that thread?)
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I remember it but from memory is was only one third of a Mars bar that helps you work and I'll be damned if I can buy a Mars bar and eat only one third - it's all or nothing because if I know it's there it just calls to me!
To keep protein up and weight down in last few days making weight I find tuna/fish is good. Other meats seem to be heavier somehow and can't eat them at all on the last day but for some mysterious reason tuna doesn't add any more weight in the digestive system than veggies would.
Still here I'm talking strictly about short term weight as opposed to body composition just to make the weigh in.
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If you only have 'a bit' of fat on you then you're not going to be able to loose that fat and build muscle whilst coming down in weight... ;)
Muscle has a weight you know? :P.... infact it's roughly 3 times the weight of fat :)
But you get the samebounce back factor from creatine wether or not your doing aerobic or anaerobic excercises
Its all a matter of what your training towards,not what you put in to your body
When you say 'Bounce back' factor are you talking about it helping to reduce DOMS?
Creatine will supply more energy to the ATP-CP system so yeah... he
could possibly train harder on it... but if he cuts on fat and particularly carbohydrates then Anaerobically, at least as far as the Lactic system is concerned he's not gonna be getting quality training in... Aerobically to an extent too... your fat reserves aren't enough.
He doesn't need to go on any low carb diet and
force weight off himself... if he was training purely for fat loss... aesthetics etc then yes... but as soon as those carbs go... his [u]boxing[/b] training will suffer... the quality will go... it's not just quanity he needs to develop.
I'd never recommend any athlete go on a low carb diet... especially in the middle of the season. He's an amatuer boxer... no need to drasticly cut weight... just train hard and smart and eat sensibly... you can supplement Creatine, Protein, L-Carnitine etc... what ever... anything that helps you to develop... but avoiding carbs just so you can loose some fat?
Plus if he avoids starch then his S*** is gonna wreak... :P
This is always such a touchy subject and it seems their is a lot of mixed opinions on weight loss and all that sort of thing. But I really liked what you said about the carbs. The NUMBER one thing for a boxer is his training, and cutting out carbs will MIGHT assist in the weight loss a little, but having the carbs their to fuel powerful and productive training sessions will be a LOT more benificial and will most likely equal great weight loss anyway.
Someone else mentioned about ALWAYS staying hydrated which I also 100% agree with. Don't worry about water weight AT ALL until a day or maybe 2 before the weigh in. Having your body topped up with water at all times keeps all your organs, muscles, cells and just about EVERY part of your body running and working as efficiently as it possibly can. The moment you start to get dehydrated, your body won't be working the best it can (and that includedes working to burn calories and lose weight to it's highest potential). If you are really struggling to get down weight on the last day you can lay off the water for that, but until then, stay hydrated fully!
Protein shakes are a good source or protein that is easy to control and easy to measure exactly what your body is taking in. Obviously most of the time you think protein shake = body builder. But your muscles need protein to repair. full stop. No matter what training you do. Without it they will just eat themselves after training sessions and you'll just be training to lose muscle. Not good obviously. So the protein shakes are a good source that won't fill you with a lot of calories or fats at the same time.
Umm, yeah, I think that's all i've got to add at the moment.
Just basically be smart. Most of the time a little common sense is all that's needed to guide you in the right direction.
GOOD LUCK !!
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Good sensible post Diz cc
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