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Im sticking my neck out again and have to say I am strongly feeling delahoy will win by ko or points, Im sorry but floyd struggled heavily with castillo a b fighter, and judah who I think delahoy would ko easily, he beat judah good but I really wasnt impressed, I think floyd is real good but hes hyped a bit too much they way he jumped around after beating gattin like he won the olypics was ridiculous who thought gatti would actually win that fight???
Again with Castillo fight he beat Castillo easily in rematch and has improved since then and Judah fight well Judah would be handful for anyone when he is on form but Mayweather still beat him rather easily.Quote:
Originally Posted by pacdog
Why is it that people are so high on judah, he is ordinary at best corey spinks is horrendous and zab struggled with him. Zab has a good jab ok power he does nothing particularily well except open his mouth like hes mike tyson but he doesnt have a spec of tysons ability or thereof. I stand by it oscar would ko zab judah in 5-6 rounds. Im not saying floyd is not good but damn zab judah and castillo are no where near as good as shane mosley is/was. Castillo is a b level fighter hes tough but has limited skill, he looked good in the rematch not spectacular. Oscar by ko or points Im sticking to it
totally agree mate and not to mention running from Baldy all night sugests he dosnt want to take the power of the big guys... well DLH wont be chasing him around the ring like some domented windmill.Quote:
Originally Posted by pacdog
DLH win by KO put your house on it ;)
Saddo I dont know if your being sarcastic but I do feel a oscar ko coming, oscar is good enough were he wont get dominated boxing in spots with floyd, floyd will have to fight at some point because oscar is simply too good, oh one more thing floyds hands arent going to be incredibly faster than oscars as people think,
I have a $20 bet with one of my buddies that De la Hoya will win.....he didn't even care how ......SUCKER!
Unless he gave you 2/1 that makes you the sucker! ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
actually I've 50 Eur on DLH by KO on Sportingbet :-), god hears you man :-)Quote:
DLH win by KO put your house on it
How is Spinks horrrible both him and Judah are way faster than your boy Pacquaio, and they are still alot bigger. Spinks is a great defensive fighter who considering the lack of power in his punch has done very well. Judah bigger, stronger, and more skilled than Pacquaio unfortunately he doesn't have Pac's desire or he would be p4p champ most likely.Quote:
Originally Posted by pacdog
Saddo where are you when i need you Brother ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Saddo
My views on Mayweather are well known but i need you to help me shine the light of truth on the forum, Brother .
I need you Saddo .
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Originally Posted by pacdog
Welcome aboard. :)
I pick PBF
Think Oscar's gonna win?
Or WANT Oscar to win?
When you're using an incident like Floyd was excited after his win over Gatti, I'm not sure how that lends to your belief that Oscar's gonna win.
Sounds like you want Oscar to win more than anything.
When will we ever hear the end of the Castillo fight?
Every time Floyd is coming up to fight someone always has to come out with, "Floyd didn't look good against Castillo, so he'll obviously lose his next fight!"
I could say Mayorga nailed Oscar with an uppercut once in their fight so Floyd will obviously hit him too! Sounds kind of crazy, doesn't it?
That's the crazyness I read when I see someone say Castillo giving Floyd troubles means that Oscar will. And that fight was 5 damn years ago.
Yes it was 5 years ago but Floyd hasnt fought anyone as well regarded since, he also hasnt looked as good as he did in the light weights, his last 2 fights, he wan, he didnt look p4p, he beat an idiot who got beat by a journeyman then beat the journeyman ;D
Oscar is Oscar, he is naturaly bigger, has consistantly fought top calibre opponents and regardless of opponent he looked very good in his last fight after such a long layoff
We won't hear the end of the JLC fight because JLC is by far the best fighter Floyd has fought in a LONG LONG time! I WANT Oscar to win badly,but I feel Floyd will win.
The complaining will never stop.People keep saying that Oscar is bigger,stronger,has fought the better competition,has all of this courage,etc...but after Floyd beats him...it'll just be, "well DLH was past his prime so it doesnt prove anything for Floyd".You have to make up your mind.
Floyd gets picked apart because the "best" fighter he has ever faced is JLC,who is considered on the forum as a "B" fighter.Yet at the same time...Margo,Cotto,Williams,Hatton,etc...all get praised as if they beat nothing but "A" fighters.
It's a fact Oscar is old is it not? And Castillo is certainly an A grade fighter for sure. You misunderstand though,if Floyd retires after Oscar,he is missing out an: paydays and making his resume look amazing. After beating Oscar,it'll be good,but when was his last challenge before Oscar? JLC,5 years ago? That is NOT all time great stuff is it>?Quote:
Originally Posted by Olympian904
I agree with you wholeheartdly... Everyone brings up that stupid fight over and over again and they forget he waxed that azz in the rematch... Its all non-sense and hatred bottom line and I'll tell you why..Quote:
Originally Posted by meowza
The minute you bring up his inactiveity, gift versus Strum, Ko by Hopkins and his latest celebrated win over a wild swinging one dimensional skilless as a backyard Boxer who stands there with his chin out Mayorga, the defending and downplaying excuses fly out of this forum like an airport..
WELL GUESS WHAT IT WORKS BOTH WAYS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If you consider 34 old...true.Why keep bringing up all of Oscars boxing abilities only to put him off if he loses?Yes if he retires he will be missing out on paydays...but at this point its estimated that he has made around 33.5million,not to mention he has a record label,plans to start a promotional company,and wants to spend time with his family.He wanted to fight Mosley a few years back(mosley went another route)after JLC who should he have fought(that had a legitimate resume)?Quote:
Originally Posted by El Gamo
the only way i see Oscar winning is by KO. if it goes to the decision of the judges well look at oscars biggest fights that went to the judges and u tell me how its gonna pan out son!
Oscar has to KO him.I dont think that there is any fighter from 154 and down that can outpoint Floyd.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheBESTP4P
exactly so its really a question if oscar can land the money left hook clean on PBF! now thats the REAL question here!Quote:
Originally Posted by Olympian904
Oscar doesnt win this fight unless he goes for broke. We all know he has the size and power to hurt Floyd, but can he do it in the early rounds before he fades.
Floyd wins.
I have great respect for Floyd. But something tells me he's bitten more than he can chew. He went up to 140 won 2 fights, then 147 and won 2 fights now 154. He is going up in wight way to fast and this could hurt him. This reminds me of Tito and his climb up the weights that ended in disaster. Oscar is another one that went one weight class too high and payed for it.
However, there are a lot of other factors here. PBF is an excelent boxer and will avoid taking many big punches. Oscar has not been very active lately and he has never, NEVER looked impressive against an elite fighter in his prime, which is excactly what he is facing.
That said I do think Oscar is certanly good enough to catch Floyd with good shots every now and again. The questions are: Will he catch him often? Will Floyd take it?
I have serious doubts on this. This fight is a lot harder to predict than most think. I am considering putting up a bet for DLH, but thats only because PBF is the favorite and I love those underdogs....
No mate not at all...Quote:
Originally Posted by pacdog
what really supprises me is some people accually think Mayweather has a chance of winning ??? ??? ???... that aint gonna happen mate he wont have the power to keep DLH off and DLH wont be chasing him around the ring.
only one winner for me and i too see DLH sparking him right out ;)
I'd like to see Delahoya pull this off. But I do think Mayweather has a good shot himself, wouldn't want to lose my house on this one though.
one thing no ones really thinking of is that Oscar should actually still be undefeated at this weight, the only "loss" at 154 on his record was against Mosley in the rematch and De La Hoya clearly won the fight, although IMO his best weight was 147 (and i'm pretty sure that DLH in his prime at 147 would destroy PBF at 147), I still think that at 154 De La Hoya is going to be too much for Mayweather, and also that if Floyd doesn't win this will lead to his downfall career-wise, cause i think the weight on this big of a stage will be too much for him
I am beginning to perceive an intangible factor which should not be left out of this equation. ANGER. Is it there? I think I am feeling it. If I am correct, it will be the grand equalizer and the key to an Oscar De La Hoya victory. If there is anyone that can turn Oscar into a pitbull, it's Freddy Roach. I know, I said Floyd would win, but after witnessing the synergy between Oscar and Freddy I am forced to withdraw my previous statements regarding a clear Floyd victory.
Why?
All of us have seen what Oscar is capable of doing when he is angry, right? He is not the same fighter when he is ticked off. I am not saying that Floyd is making Oscar angry like Vargas and Mayorga did, but what I am saying is, that Freddy has been able to tap into Oscar's angry can of whoop-azz and it will transfer and manifest itself in the ring come May 5th.
Strategy?
Pure unadulterated hate, angerand sheer aggression will carry Oscar to victory, while we watch in awe :o as Floyd is carried out on a stretcher.
:o
Church!
I know someone said Oscar has fought consistently good competition ,but Floyd has fought ok guys and dominated. I have studied a few of Floyd's fights lately and notice how he has trouble sometimes early in fights, then he gets his rhythm and it flows for him. I admit Oscar's jab is exceptional and FLoyd does kind of jab to the body early and bends down and Oscar might hit him then, but FLoyd always adjusts. Almost like he sees what the guy has and adjusts then cruises to a points domination. Which means Oscar might have to do a Hagler versus Hearns kind of aggression and try to take him out of his gameplan but how many guys have the determination to do what Marvin did in 1985? But I think that is an option which hardly any bigger fighters utilize. My point is the first round is very very important in this fight, but I am not sure Oscar can get to Floyd before Floyd does his adjust and then takes over. The only question I have is the weight a little and Floyd reaching in with his jab, but other than that Floyd does adjust.. I cannot wait for this fight. It is a fascinating matchup.. The question is will Floyd prove he is for real.. I think he is. But that will prove alot.
Danny G.. I agree. Oscar has to do what Hagler did. Tuck his head in and fire punches, but in my mind Hearns was willing to trade and give Hagler what he wanted. Floyd will not trade. But that style is great since I think Oscar has to take him out early, or at least hurt him and get him out of his gameplan. Although I never have seen Oscar with the kind of guts like Hagler or Hearns. Not to say he doesn't have it, but he is not kamakaze like that.
This is what I would liek to see when I watch this fight.
BPF with too much confidence in the 4 and BOOM get caught and then trying to get up picking up his mouthpeace but bay the time he gets up is all over.
hey come on dreaming is not bad!!! ;D
Even before the fight was announced I had made that decision. ;) Problem is I was planning on waiting until the end of camp before placing bet but the odds on Oscar are shorting so much!! :oQuote:
Originally Posted by Saddo
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Originally Posted by Hairdoo
I say pbf wins by stoppage ;)
He'll be landing that many acurate shots just like the gatti fight although it won't hurt DLH the pure accuracy and amount will make the ref stop the fight.
Did you just watch the "Buster Douglas/Mike Tyson" extravaganza?!?!?! that was the end of that fight.... so are you pulling for the "Underdog"?Quote:
Originally Posted by Puya
Yeah you got me there I want to see PBF like Tyson was at that moment the exact same way.
Look at the lines.. floyd is not really a huge favorite, beleive me if its close it aint going to floyd they defnetly prefer oscar to win.. rematch more future fights.. mayweather is real good but like jones a d i c k
they would have all the endorsements in the world but their stupid...... like i said theres nothing in mayweather that scares me here, this is coming from s guy who rooted against oscar his whole career
sorry to make a mess but let me put this point up, i dont really like oscar never have he sometime s looks like he doesnt train with much effort i see your points against sturm (came in whoeful shape) hopkins I think he just quit literally or took a dive that punch wasnt much... but he still has fought greater oppositon chavez, mosley is by far and wide 60 percent better than anyone floyd has ever fought even at his age right now of 35 or so. Im glad he waxed that ass on cotto as that is what he was supposed to do and you know what he didnt look all that spectacular in the rematch to be honest. Oscar has foguht bigger men and beat most of them. You could argue for a mayweather win sure but to say he is gonna alsk all over oscar is just stupid, oscar will be in shape and Motivated and he is not carlos baldomir or arturo gatti not by a long shot
I read somewhere that Oscar has a granite chin. My feeling is that he really has not taken a clean punch where he would be tested. He is rarely hit with a clean shot. the man has good defense and his jab has alot to do with it, although Floyd might get to Oscar's chin. I suspect we will have a boring 12 round fight with Floyd winning. I will say this.. The way Oscar has to win this fight is to do what Hagler did to Hearns. Just go for broke, and that takes a special fighter to be able to do that. Hagler never ever came out like that and neither did Hearns to be honest. Takes two to tango as Hagler said after the fight, but Oscar has to do that in round one. Because once Floyd gets in rounds 2 and 3 he will get his rhythm and he seems to get better and better until he dominates. Oscar has to use the first round when Floyd is not yet in the flow to shock floyd and nail him with big punches. If he can. Oscar has to do this and if his trainer tells him the right thing to do it will be to come out swinging big time. So what if the fight only lasts 2 rounds if Oscar punches himself out, at least that will be his best way to win. I am sold on this. I have run this fight in my head alot and to see Oscar jabbing might work in round one a little but Floyd will get the rhythm and bust up Oscar in the mid rounds and stop him or win a decision. Oscar is a good I would say almost great fighter, but he never has beaten the cream of the crop in a dominant way. Hearns beat more cream of the crop than Delahoya believe it or not. Tommy would either crash big or cause someone to crash. Oscar has shown that if he is having a hard fight he sort of goes in a lull and gets into a boring rhythm and doesn't have a good instinct about where he is in a fight like Sugar Ray Leonard did. Ray knew where he was and what he had to do. Tactics for the fight? Oscar should go for broke in round one and try to shock Floyd into trading or at least do some damage and maybe make Floyd get off his gameplan by giving him hell in round one and getting him more busted up than he ever was,, and Floyd's tactic would be to get his rhythm and work Oscar's body bigtime. I think he could stop Oscar with a bodyshot.. Not like Bernard with one, but with several. All in all since I do not think Oscar is as physically or mentally strong as Marvin Hagler, he will not go for broke at all. Only Hagler could do that. So that means. floyd wins this fight
Don't go with your feeling ::** get some tapes and use your eyes :o Oscar has been tagged plenty, his chin is granite mate. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by LegendBoxing65
Oscar does not have a granite chin. I was at a fight he fought in lake Tahoe in the mid 90s or so and he was knocked down in the first round. He is not hit clean. No way Delahoya has a granite chin. He is in an era of guys who like to box and not test chins. If he were in the Leonard,Hearns,Duran era he would have had a chin test. I have tapes. When are these fights he was tagged? Quartey barely tapped him and Oscar went down. Hagler has a granite chin, Chavez does. Delahoya? Not proven.