Well what do you think?
I think gun laws in the US are crazy.
I know the counter argument is you need them to protect your home and so on but how many people have to die brfore they are at leas changed.
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Well what do you think?
I think gun laws in the US are crazy.
I know the counter argument is you need them to protect your home and so on but how many people have to die brfore they are at leas changed.
ok gun laws wont change shit and heres why:
Just because someone can't get one legally doesn't mean they cant get one
Everything in the world is dangerous when a crazy idiot is in possesion of it (hell every house in the world has something in it that can be turned into a bomb)
People in america trust politicians that they think are bent on turning the country into a liberal dictatorship as far as their gun has range
In conclusion: Don't take the guns off the street, take the idiots that use them off the street.
Guns are not inherently good or bad....they take on the qualities of the shooter.Quote:
Originally Posted by porkypara
I like the ability to own guns, it's for safety, protection, and defense of your constitutional rights.
I've shot fully automatic weapons and I know plenty of people with conceal and carry licenses and honestly they are the LAST people you need to worry about causing trouble.
Also if guns are illegal then only criminals have them!
The US gun laws at least give us a fair chance
BTW special licenses are needed for conceal and carry, and to own fully automatic weapons. Many people disagree with me and say "Fully automatic firearms are illegal"....no they are not you just need a special license to own them and it's very difficult to get such a license, we're talking deep background checks and it's a FEDERAL process.
The US South, including Texas probably has the most firearms per capita in the US and very few LEGAL GUN OWNERS commit deadly crimes with their firearms
the common argument is that it is not the guns that are harmful but the people who use them....
But if guns were abolished then the so called "idiots" can't shoot nobody, if that south korean didn't have a firearm then there is no way in hell he could of shot 32 people.
If a weapon is available to someone, ofcourse there is going to be a strong chance of usuage....a man is only a so called idiot once he uses the gun on somebody else, and by then it's too late.
If no guns existed in the USA the crime rate would reduce, its by removing the availabilty to use a weapon of mass murder.
FACT!!! at present LONDON is P4P more violent than any city in the US currently.
Saw it on BBC news while having me breakfast :o
This would not have happened if guns were outlawed.
;)
always thought most of london was a shithole (south), glad i gtfoQuote:
Originally Posted by Smashup
No offense :-)
The One.....crazy people find a way to cause damage.
Pipe Bomb anyone???
I mean there are a number of ways to kill a huge number of people....guns aren't the only things that can kill people.
Places that have outlawed guns, England, Australia actually have higher rates of gun violence than the US.
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Originally Posted by The_One77
South London is and has always been Bandit Country ;D
Well said.Quote:
Originally Posted by Punisher136
Let's put it into perspective. That was a horrible tragedy. But the guns are a branch of the problem, not the root. Many other things kill more than 33 people a day, but we always want to "educate" people on how to use it safer.
Drunk driving
Smoking
Prescription medication
Seriously much higher body count. The problem is what led this kid to have no respect for human life, and to want to kill 33 people. Guns are important for our government to not get over confident in their power. Instill a little healthy fear into them. More laws don't prevent the problem every shooting violates tons of laws. Laws don't prevent crime. Yes, a nut can do alot of damage in a short time with a gun, but if there was no gun that nut would do alot of damage over a long time. It makes for shorter careers of mass murderers, but wouldn't prevent it.
London is P4P more dangerous than any city in the USA? HAHAHAHAH Shut the fuck up.
Dont doute it for a second fella.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
The problem is,in the uk for example if a nutter loses the plot he does not have acsses to leathel weopons that a lot of armys would be jelous of.
you can get guns from unlegit sources and if u dont have guns like lyle said theres bombs and stuff they could make out of just about anything.
as for england being more violent than any city in america its very possible. now granted more than 50 people die nationwide everyday from guns in one way or another. Maybe our countrys wouldn't be so messed up if our language was designed better. what do i mean? look at this shit:
I'm going to read the green book today because I read the red book last month.
There are two words spelled exactly the same that have different pronounciations and meaning then you have another word thats spelled differently but pronounced like one of the other words. No wonder when people come over here and try to learn our language they wanna blow shit up.
Then to make matters worse we have geeks at harvard (who for the record cant get laid and wanna feel like they have some impact in the world) that change the rules about quotation marks and periods. Tell me does it go inside or out side of the quotes? WRONG! >:mad >:mad >:mad
well judging from that korean nutter's english skills I dont think cared to much about the conventions of the english language, unless of course this murder spree was caused by his inability to tell the difference between a standard colon and semi-colon. There's a frustrated writer in all of us. In which case I'll stand corrected. For the time being I'm prepared to put it down to him being fucking crazy.
here's and easy way to remeber the usage of colons and semicolons (is that a hypenated word ??? >:mad ) Commas come after an appositvie which is like:
After he got tired of learning about english, (but no space inbetween the first word and the comma) blah blah blah
or
in a list like this: he hates the english language, people who speak it correctly, and even the country itself.
rules for a semicolon are the following: don't use it because no one knows how to actually use it. In other words, find a different way to write what you wanna say.
Theres no way London is more violent than most US citys certainly not the major metro Citys .
London is not even the most violent city in the UK Glasgow is .
I cant remember the exact statistics but all the citys in the Uk didnt have as many deaths by Gun violence as Detriot or LA on their own .
Gun crime is bad here and its getting worse but nowhere near as bad as in the States and to prove my point .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bP-3_jyCS9Q
Well let's debate this....
Scene #1 (guns are outlawed)
Criminal1: "Hey man, let's get that guy"
Criminal2: "I don't know man, you think he's armed???"
Criminal1: "HAHA, guns are illegal dude....let's get him"
Scene 2 (guns are legal)
Criminal1: "Let's get that guy"
Criminal2: "Are you sure? He could be armed!"
Criminal1: "Let's get him you fucking pussy"
Victim: "What would you like on your tombstone?"
Dude Hall of Famer Ty Cobb got mugged once.........ONCE he packed heat and even though it jammed and he got stabbed in the back he still ran down the mother fucker that stole from him and pistol whipped the shit out of him.........then he got stitches and played in the meaningless early season game.
GOD BLESS TYRUS RAYMOND COBB!!!!
"But lyle guns cause dispair in the country not the people who weild them" :'(Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
....any problem caused by a gun can be fixed by a gun
LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by Sovereign
I'm curious as to where you got your stats from RE Australian gun violence Lyle.
I live in Australia and it's pretty unusual to hear of many shootings here. They do happen but not often and usually not with semi automatics. If anyone is shot it's big news - not something that happens everyday.
I'm glad we have gun laws here. There are plenty of psychos but they usually attempt to hurt people with less powerful weapons which means they don't always succeed.
I understand that guns laws work best in places where the laws have been in place long enough to keep gun numbers down. It'd be hard somewhere like the US to make them effective which already has so many guns out there.
Still if I did live in the US i think I'd be just as likely to accidentally shoot myself of a family member by accident as someone who was actually trying to hurt me so I'd be scared to own one.
A girl in my primary school was playing with a bullet without a gun and still managed to accidentally shoot herself in the foot. Don't ask me how but she did seriously hurt herself.
I grew up in the country where farmers can have guns but only certain types and it's very tightly regulated. No child in the city (most of Australian population) would be able to get hold of a bullet to play with.
Glad its America's problem not ours.
It must be great to live in the land of the free where your schools get shot up every so offten by the students.
Peolpe get killed every day by guns in the US but a large minority of the US population just stick there head in the sand and think that guns are not the problem.
Bum bandit ???Quote:
Originally Posted by Smashup
;D
Well now that guns are banned in Australia and England....no one gets shot right???Quote:
Originally Posted by porkypara
Yeah that may be a problem with your thinking.....I'd rather have a fair chance to defend myself than be put at a disadvantage
And it's also my CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT to own a gun, it's #2 right behind FREE SPEECH in the Bill of Rights.....this means it's kind of important.
I understand your points of view but America ain't Australia or England and we're not going to be ruled by the same laws as you have....we tried that already, which is why we have the right to bear arms to begin with.
http://www.fraserinstitute.ca/shared...sNav=nr&id=570Quote:
Originally Posted by Sharla
Gun Laws do Not Reduce Criminal Violence According to New Study
Contact(s):
Gary Mauser, Professor
Simon Fraser University, Tel (604) 291-3652
Email: mauser@sfu.ca
Click here for the complete publication.
Release Date: November 27, 2003
Vancouver, BC - Restrictive firearm legislation has failed to reduce gun violence in Australia, Canada, or Great Britain. The policy of confiscating guns has been an expensive failure, according to a new paper The Failed Experiment: Gun Control and Public Safety in Canada, Australia, England and Wales, released today by The Fraser Institute.
“What makes gun control so compelling for many is the belief that violent crime is driven by the availability of guns, and more importantly, that criminal violence in general may be reduced by limiting access to firearms,” says Gary Mauser, author of the paper and professor of business at Simon Fraser University.
This new study examines crime trends in Commonwealth countries that have recently introduced firearm regulations. Mauser notes that the widely ignored key to evaluating firearm regulations is to examine trends in total violent crime, not just firearm crime.
The United States provides a valuable point of comparison for assessing crime rates as that country has witnessed a dramatic drop in criminal violence over the past decade – for example, the homicide rate in the US has fallen 42 percent since 1991. This is particularly significant when compared with the rest of the world – in 18 of the 25 countries surveyed by the British Home Office, violent crime increased during the 1990s.
The justice system in the U.S. differs in many ways from those in the Commonwealth but perhaps the most striking difference is that qualified citizens in the United States can carry concealed handguns for self-defence. During the past few decades, more than 25 states in the U.S. have passed laws allowing responsible citizens to carry concealed handguns. In 2003, there are 35 states where citizens can get such a permit.
Disarming the public has not reduced criminal violence in any country examined in this study. In all these cases, disarming the public has been ineffective, expensive, and often counter productive. In all cases, the effort meant setting up expensive bureaucracies that produce no noticeable improvement to public safety or have made the situation worse. Mauser points to these trends in the countries he examined:
England and Wales
Both Conservative and Labour governments have introduced restrictive firearms laws over the past 20 years; all handguns were banned in 1997.
Yet in the 1990s alone, the homicide rate jumped 50 percent, going from 10 per million in 1990 to 15 per million in 2000. While not yet as high as the US, in 2002 gun crime in England and Wales increased by 35 percent. This is the fourth consecutive year that gun crime has increased.
Police statistics show that violent crime in general has increased since the late 1980s and since 1996 has been more serious than in the United States.
Australia
The Australian government made sweeping changes to the firearms legislation in 1997. However, the total homicide rate, after having remained basically flat from 1995 to 2001, has now begun climbing again. While violent crime is decreasing in the United States, it is increasing in Australia. Over the past six years, the overall rate of violent crime in Australia has been on the rise – for example, armed robberies have jumped 166 percent nationwide.
The confiscation and destruction of legally owned firearms has cost Australian taxpayers at least $500 million. The cost of the police services bureaucracy, including the costly infrastructure of the gun registration system, has increased by $200 million since 1997.
“And for what?” asks Mauser. “There has been no visible impact on violent crime. It is impossible to justify such a massive amount of the taxpayers’ money for no decrease in crime. For that kind of tax money, the police could have had more patrol cars, shorter shifts, or better equipment.”
Canada
The contrast between the criminal violence rates in the United States and in Canada is dramatic. Over the past decade, the rate of violent crime in Canada has increased while in the United States the violent crime rate has plummeted. The homicide rate is dropping faster in the US than in Canada.
The Canadian experiment with firearm registration is becoming a farce says Mauser. The effort to register all firearms, which was originally claimed to cost only $2 million, has now been estimated by the Auditor General to top $1 billion. The final costs are unknown but, if the costs of enforcement are included, the total could easily reach $3 billion.
“It is an illusion that gun bans protect the public. No law, no matter how restrictive, can protect us from people who decide to commit violent crimes. Maybe we should crack down on criminals rather than hunters and target shooters?” says Mauser.
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The Fraser Institute is an independent research and educational organization based in Canada. Its mission is to measure, study, and communicate the impact of competitive markets and government intervention on the welfare of individuals. To protect the Institute’s independence, it does not accept grants from governments or contracts for research.
Hope that helps :thumb:
US gun laws were introduced when Guns were still Muskets, they were never meant to apply to the guns of today
Problem is you can never change the law now, because only law obiding people surrender their guns, leaving them defenceless against the scrotes that keep hold of them :-\
Here's an interesting point for you.
In the 1940's and 50's gun ownership was more prevalent. People actually left them inside their vehicles with doors unlocked. There weren't school shootings, lower rape, lower violent crime, lower std's. The difference isn't how many laws about guns. It is how people were raised. People that are raised to fear God feel they are accountable for all their actions, people that are taught there is no God have nothing to fear and no respect for anything other than their own lives and wants and needs.
Do the research yourself, and you will find that every statistic from violence,to drug abuse, suicide, etc.... Has skyrocketed since removing prayer and the mention of a Creator from schools. The stats are undeniable.
The guns aren't the problem. It's the belief of the person holding the gun.
Interesting perspective mate ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by luvfightgame
The point being there are more nutters out there so all the more reason to have better gun laws I would think.Quote:
Originally Posted by luvfightgame
:coolclick: for you and :P to everybody elseQuote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
:coolclick: exactlyQuote:
Originally Posted by luvfightgame
you make a solid point !Quote:
Originally Posted by luvfightgame
Guns are guns.....you can kill people with a musket just as much as you can kill them with a handgun.....but now people are LICENSED and REGISTERED gun owners.Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG H
The people I know that own guns are the last people that would ever commit a crime as bad as what happened at VaTech
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Originally Posted by porkypara
Its everyones problem mate.. !
Scotland, March 1996: Gun enthusiast Thomas Hamilton shoots 16 children and their teacher dead at their primary school in Dunblane, Scotland before killing himself.
Yemen, March 1997: A man with an assault rifle attacked hundreds of pupils at two schools in Sanaa, Yemen, killing six children and two others. He was sentenced to death the next day.
Germany, November 1999: A 15-year-old student in Meissen, eastern Germany, stabbed his teacher to death after taking bets from classmates he would dare commit the crime.
Germany, March 2000: A 16-year-old pupil at a private boarding school in the Bavarian town of Branneburg, shot a 57-year-old teacher, who later died from injuries.
The teenager - who also shot himself - was facing expulsion from school after failing a cannabis test.
Germany, February 2002: A former pupil killed his headmaster and set off pipe bombs in the technical school he had recently been expelled from in Freising near Munich.
The man also shot dead his boss and a foreman at the company he worked for before turning the gun on himself. Another teacher was shot in the face, but survived.
Germany, April 2002: Seventeen people killed after a gunman - a former pupil - opens fire in a school in Erfurt, eastern Germany. He then turned the gun on himself.
I would have bet a million dollars that Lyle would have made at least one comment on this subject of gun laws. I just opened this to confirm my guess.
I don't think the gun laws in America should be changed.
However, I don't agree with people that say guns are for defense. Bullet proof vests are for defense. Guns are for offense.
....the best defense is a good offense ;D
Bwoy I'm from the south....EVERYONE has a gun down here!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by boozeboxer
If I was in school these days I would sit at the geek table during lunch and hang out with the outcasts during free time. All the goth boys would think I was one cool down to earth mofo.
Then when the shit popped off they'd spare my life.
VERY good point there.Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG H