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Can i ask some of the more esteemed members of the forum to give their verdict on this fight !!!
I watched it a week ago and from what id read and been told about what happened, was totally different from what i saw in the fight .
But i want your opinions 1st before i wade into the argument
BTW! abraham has a fight, i cant reemember the fighter but i glanced on it on boxrec.
Imo it should have ended in a tko for Miranda.
Abraham clearly didn't want to continue but got persuaded by his corner.
He put up a brave fight but fighting in flurries doesn't cut it
Did'nt help Miranda that he got some point deductions
True, but fighting in Germany is'nt a walk in the park
But when you see you have an adge on a opponent you got to be patient and don't make mistakes like going to the body that low
Especially in your opponents (adopted)home country
If Miranda wins his next fight he becomes WBC number1 he's already WBO number1 then Taylor will have to fight him now thats a big fight their forget Cazaghe vs Taylor Miranda vs Taylor is much bigger and better fight
Next fight is against Kelly Pavlik, also a big banger.
This could be over if you blink
This will be a good fight Miranda fights good guys Pavlik is number 1 WBC
Well i watched the fight upto round 5 and if you ask me Mirinda should have been thrown out after the headbutt !!!
I thought the fight was in the balance EM was edging it with better workrate but thats not to say AA was not having success because he darn well was
People have questioned AA's injury was it genuine ? Well i say this after the headbutt he was holding his mouth open and clearly had sustained some sort of injury, to question it is madeness if it was genuine then i was Abraham to do my lottery numbers because he must by a Mystic Meg type !
EM acts an arse and deserves everything he gets i forsee him getting asparked by Jermain Taylor the vision of that right hand of Jermain's finding the target is too much for me to think otherwise .
EM was lucky to stay in the fight
Abraham - Miranda
Toooo many point deductions.
Not stopped when it should have been.
All in all, I had Abraham ahead, by outlanding Miranda and for his ring generalship.
After the fight just by looking at their faces it looked like Miranda took it, Abraham
won that night for me though.
The headbutt was nothing more than a way for Miranda to tell Abraham to quit clinching. It was not hard and to the back of the head. The broken jaw happen the round before and had nothing to do with the headbutt.Quote:
Originally Posted by Swashbuckling Gordy
Are you saying Headbutting is ok ? What he did was disgracefull, totally uncalled for and IMO should have been thrown out .
Yes, although Pantera usually always makes great posts, all of us slide into the mire every now and then. Some things that I can say for certain:Quote:
Originally Posted by Swashbuckling Gordy
Even after the broken jaw, I had new found respect for Abraham to do what he was able to do. He was still active and landing some crisp and clean shots.
He even wobbled Miranda on occasion. However, I think that Miranda at least deserved a Draw, but the point deductions, however unfair and draconian, made that an a very unlikely outcome.
It's not that AA didn't want to continue, the fact is that he was expecting a DQ for Miranda...and I can understand it.
Arthur was hurt before the headbutt at his jaw, I think, but the headbutt clearly worsened it all...Miranda should have been Dq...no matter what...but okay the fight continued and we all saw how AA handled Miranda, he deserved to win, no question.
Ps : I really think that Pavlik is going to Ko Miranda...
I'm hoping that Pavlik KO's Miranda. Pavlik has been a gentleman so far, while Miranda does nothing but talk trash. ::** As for your views on the Miranda v. Abraham fight, I'm going to have to watch the entire fight again and refresh my slipping memory.Quote:
Originally Posted by SEB
Brutal fight. Pantera should have ben given a TKO. After breaking AA jaw with his fists, Abraham CLEARlY did NOT want to fight on,but was practically forced to by his corner. Pantera did not deserve to be ducked alllll those points either. Abraham did well to survive but mainly becauze Edison for one reson or another took his foot off the gas. Let AA come to a FAIR,IMPARTIAL ring,crowd and ref and I would thikn Pantera beats his ass again.
No doubt!Quote:
Originally Posted by El Gamo
And no, I dont think headbutting is good and it WAS a stupid move from Miranda. But it did not worsen the injury by any means. It just was bad timing and gave Abraham a reason to take a 5 minute break and be worked on by the doctors.
Nobody can dispute the fact that the doctor told Neumann (the ref) that Abraham was unable to continue fighting. Neumann agreed and was stopping the fight and giving the win to Miranda. All of a sudden the German corrupt promoter Wilfred Sauerland (who is no more than a fan at this stage) demands the fight continue and the ref agrees.
The is after Abraham himself told the ref he can not go on.
No truly, when they told him he was going to lose, AA really didn't understand why the guy wans't DQ...I've been in the same position before. When you're hurt at that point, you don't want to fight and risk your health.
Miranda did a foul, giving a heabutt and after the headbutt, the AA guy started to spit blood all over the ring....
The doctor asked AA if he wanted to continue, he asked clearly to the referee, why the guy is not DQ, the referee told him that he couldn't and he will deduct points instead.
anyway, if miranda is that good, he couldn't even finish an hurted guy..
Exactly...and Miranda promised everyone a KO...thats what bothers me of Miranda,Quote:
Originally Posted by SEB
who is a great warrior with so much power...to much trashtalk to much bragging...
And you know what the pro Miranda and contra AA people will say about not finishing
AA...he ran all the fight...he hid behind the ref...he put his arms in front of his face... ;)
Not even acknowledging that AA fought 8 rnds with a broken jaw and still being able
to wobble Miranda from time to time...and getting a decision even without the point
deduction...There I said it...
But the ref was an American?Quote:
Originally Posted by tysonbruno
Made in America, bought by the Germans!
After Pantera disposses of Pavlik and takes Taylor's belts he can unify the titles by facing Abraham in the states or Puerto Rico, if AA has the balls to accept. This would only be fair after Miranda traveled to his backyard and suffered his only loss. Regardless who you think won and how you think it should have ended nobody can argue the fact that the ending was extremely controversial. I think Pantera deserved the win, it wasn't his best showing but he did enough to win despite some bad decisions and fouls.