Just curious...Oscar vs Mayweather...does Mosley fit the bill as a fill in?

While helping Oscar prepare for his upcoming super fight against Mayweather, Shane Mosley has been quoted as saying: "I’m just as fast as Mayweather and that’s going to help him to be able to think when he gets in there with Mayweather.

“Mayweather is not as strong as I am, but you know I’m not out here throwing hard shots. I’m out here doing nothing but speed, a lot of speed, a lot of movement, a lot of what Mayweather will do. And, I think that he’s going to be ready for that. Anything and everything that Mayweather does, I’m trying to give it to him where he can have it, left hooks, fast jabs, and right hand. I’m giving him the works where he’ll be prepared when he gets in the ring.”

Now...what I want to discuss & what I want to know from you is this...do you, as a boxing fan & not a critic, put any stock into those statements.

Answer with your head & not your hate or heart.

Is Mosley a good model for Mayweather?
Is Mosley as fast as Floyd?
Does Mosley pull the same angles, the same tricks of the trade?

Just curious as to what your thoughts are.

Mine?

Mosley fits the bill better than anyone else...but I honestly don't think that it's saying that much.

Mainly because, while Mosley is fast, he aint as fast & he doesn't throw from the same angles because of Floyd's defensive style. Personally I think that Floyd's defense will give anyone trouble.

The main thing that I saw in the HBO 24/7 that impressed me was that Oscar did look a bit more determined than I had expected.

I still say that the size is going to be the difference.

All that said...I'm still gonna lean with Floyd.

s Mosley a good model for Mayweather?
Is Mosley as fast as Floyd?
Does Mosley pull the same angles, the same tricks of the trade?


1.Answers yes I think hes the best hes gonna get or mabey the closeost.
2
Its close even now, in his prime shane through faster combos, mayweather does more of rjj thing pot shots you and opens up once your stunned

N3. No mosley does not have the footwork, shane i belive takes a better punch is physically stronger and mabey faster but he hasnt the defensive mastery

I think, mosley is a big test 4 any fighter dnt forget he holds those wins over de la hoya, so if de la hoya wins another fight with oscar or even a showdown with mayweather.

Yes and no. Shane is right,he is dam fast and he hits harder than Floyd. But as for the speed issue,it's 2 different types of speeds. Floyd is the embodiment of seameless foot and hand movement,Shane is not as fleet footed but at these weights,Shane puts his combinations together much better than Floyd. There's no one as close to Floyd speed wise as Shane but there is still a noticeable disparity. It's good training for Oscar but it's not like the real thing.

Ivan Calderon however,that's ingenious selection of sparring partner by Oscar. The guy is super skilled,tiny and quick! A very very impressive fighter,you'd like him Wack,a pure boxer.

Yes and no for me too. Not too many as quick as Shane have i seen since I've been watching the sport. But also seems to be different type of speed as mentioned above and certainly different angles from PBF. If mosley can't prepare him for the speed aspect perhaps Mick could have him chasing chickens around?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by El Gamo

Yes and no. Shane is right,he is dam fast and he hits harder than Floyd. But as for the speed issue,it's 2 different types of speeds. Floyd is the embodiment of seameless foot and hand movement,Shane is not as fleet footed but at these weights,Shane puts his combinations together much better than Floyd. There's no one as close to Floyd speed wise as Shane but there is still a noticeable disparity. It's good training for Oscar but it's not like the real thing.

---

:coolclick: Totally agree.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by El Gamo

Ivan Calderon however,that's ingenious selection of sparring partner by Oscar. The guy is super skilled,tiny and quick! A very very impressive fighter,you'd like him Wack,a pure boxer.

---

The Iron Bwoy?

Seen him loads on undercards live & televised.

While I do like him...he aint a good mark for Floyd. The kid's fast...& skilled & fun to watch & he'll dominate at his weight & maybe on step up...but I aint sure past that.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by dezmundo1983

I think, mosley is a big test 4 any fighter dnt forget he holds those wins over de la hoya, so if de la hoya wins another fight with oscar or even a showdown with mayweather.

---

that would be something...ODLH vs SSM III!!!! it would be the best of 3...I personally think ODLH won the last one...

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by bikersk

Yes and no for me too. Not too many as quick as Shane have i seen since I've been watching the sport. But also seems to be different type of speed as mentioned above and certainly different angles from PBF. If mosley can't prepare him for the speed aspect perhaps Mick could have him chasing chickens around?

---

Makes about as much since as tugging with razor blades in a tub of lemon juice. ;) ;D

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by THE Bigragu

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by dezmundo1983

I think, mosley is a big test 4 any fighter dnt forget he holds those wins over de la hoya, so if de la hoya wins another fight with oscar or even a showdown with mayweather.

---

that would be something...ODLH vs SSM III!!!! it would be the best of 3...I personally think ODLH won the last one...

---

I was ringside for that one...Oscar won. Sorry but he did.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by wacko3205

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by El Gamo

Yes and no. Shane is right,he is dam fast and he hits harder than Floyd. But as for the speed issue,it's 2 different types of speeds. Floyd is the embodiment of seameless foot and hand movement,Shane is not as fleet footed but at these weights,Shane puts his combinations together much better than Floyd. There's no one as close to Floyd speed wise as Shane but there is still a noticeable disparity. It's good training for Oscar but it's not like the real thing.

---

:coolclick: Totally agree.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by El Gamo

Ivan Calderon however,that's ingenious selection of sparring partner by Oscar. The guy is super skilled,tiny and quick! A very very impressive fighter,you'd like him Wack,a pure boxer.

---

The Iron Bwoy?

Seen him loads on undercards live & televised.

While I do like him...he aint a good mark for Floyd. The kid's fast...& skilled & fun to watch & he'll dominate at his weight & maybe on step up...but I aint sure past that.

---

CC back man. Yeah but with Calderon,Oscar will have to learn how to cut off the ring and quickly,and because Calderon is so small,it'll make it hard for Oscar! Also,like you mentioned,the angles aspect is important too. Floyd Mayweather is an ass,he's unintelligent and stupid outside of the ring but when he it comes to the sweet science,he's a genuis pure and simple.


His defence is calculated to take advantage of any mistakes as indeed is his offence. Remember Ndou's lazy jab which he countered over and over! That's skill,that's analysis,that's genius. Molsey relies more on his speed,technically,he is very flawed. That may or may not be an issue, May be Oscar' size can overcome Floyd's technical superiority?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by El Gamo

May be Oscar' size can overcome Floyd's technical superiority?

---

That's the one question that I've been wanting answered as soon as the prospect of this fight came about...& that's the one reason that I bought a ticket...no shit.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by wacko3205

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by THE Bigragu

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by dezmundo1983

I think, mosley is a big test 4 any fighter dnt forget he holds those wins over de la hoya, so if de la hoya wins another fight with oscar or even a showdown with mayweather.

---

that would be something...ODLH vs SSM III!!!! it would be the best of 3...I personally think ODLH won the last one...

---

I was ringside for that one...Oscar won. Sorry but he did.

---

he doesn't think so ;)


Anyway, to answer your question, Mosley would be the best choice for someone preparing for Mayweather when it came to speed. But it's really not saying as much as that Mosley said he's just in there working on speed. And from the 24/7 he's not making Oscar pay for the mistakes he makes, and rather is letting Oscar get off while being defensive and firing quick combinations for Oscar to practice his own defense on. And that's what Floyd won't do.

Also I think Mosley neglects a punch that makes Floyd very special, his straight right hand, and personally I haven't seen Mosley throw a straight right hand in years, he always seems to loop it now after two flickering jabs.

Mosley can use angles but his style and Floyd's style couldn't be further apart.

If anything, Mosley can match or get close to the speed of Mayweather. But in terms of knee jerk reflexes and offense and defense combined as one, I don't tink you could find a sparring partner on earth to prepare you for that.

There is no one out there as fast as Mayweather right now, so Mosley can't prepare DLH for Floyd's speed, but he's the closest thing.

Shane and Floyd do have much different styles though. Floyd has always used his speed to execute a prefect defensive scheme, whereas Shane has used his speed to dive in and throw combos.
Floyd is more Pernell Whitaker, whereas Shane was always more Meldrick Taylor.

no
no and
no mosely is to robotic floyd doesnt jus move his headhe moves his body and the stylse are completely difrent mayb delahoya will be more comfrtable with speed but not the elusivnse

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by the phenom

no
no and
no mosely is to robotic floyd doesnt jus move his headhe moves his body and the stylse are completely difrent mayb delahoya will be more comfrtable with speed but not the elusivnse

---

I thought that I was the only one who saw this.Floyd creates angles,switches his game plan,has great timing,and is hard to predict.One minute he sits and counters...the other minute he is throwing lead right hands.Its not just finding a sparring partner to match Floyds speed.I havent seen much of DLH and Mosleys sparring so I dont know if he is doing a good job...but I heard that Kendal Holt use to be one of Floyds sparring partners and he matched him pretty good.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Olympian904

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by the phenom

no
no and
no mosely is to robotic floyd doesnt jus move his headhe moves his body and the stylse are completely difrent mayb delahoya will be more comfrtable with speed but not the elusivnse

---

I thought that I was the only one who saw this.Floyd creates angles,switches his game plan,has great timing,and is hard to predict.One minute he sits and counters...the other minute he is throwing lead right hands.Its not just finding a sparring partner to match Floyds speed.I havent seen much of DLH and Mosleys sparring so I dont know if he is doing a good job...but I heard that Kendal Holt use to be one of Floyds sparring partners and he matched him pretty good.

---

cc good analysis .... i love the guys on this forum (no homo) that clear up wat i say and elaborate on it makes me seem smart 8)

he is definitely the best sparring partner for de la hoya

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Starr

Also I think Mosley neglects a punch that makes Floyd very special, his straight right hand, and personally I haven't seen Mosley throw a straight right hand in years, he always seems to loop it now after two flickering jabs.

Mosley can use angles but his style and Floyd's style couldn't be further apart.

If anything, Mosley can match or get close to the speed of Mayweather. But in terms of knee jerk reflexes and offense and defense combined as one, I don't tink you could find a sparring partner on earth to prepare you for that.

---

Mosley definitely fits the bill!

I'd bet my left nut Mosley is throwing faster now than what Floyd will May 5th. This is just sparring so Shane will do as he is told, he won't go into sparring sessions imitating himself ::**

If he is asked to run for 3 minutes with a high guard throwing fast straight right hands from as many differant angles as he can then you can guess its not going to look like the Shane we are used to seeing in the ring eh?

Everyone seems to be forgeting the scenario that just maybe Mosley could spark Floyd at 147!! If thats the case then that puts a whole new perspective on it. ;)

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by El Gamo

Yes and no. Shane is right,he is dam fast and he hits harder than Floyd. But as for the speed issue,it's 2 different types of speeds. Floyd is the embodiment of seameless foot and hand movement,Shane is not as fleet footed but at these weights,Shane puts his combinations together much better than Floyd. There's no one as close to Floyd speed wise as Shane but there is still a noticeable disparity. It's good training for Oscar but it's not like the real thing.

Ivan Calderon however,that's ingenious selection of sparring partner by Oscar. The guy is super skilled,tiny and quick! A very very impressive fighter,you'd like him Wack,a pure boxer.

---

Totally agree on Calderon....Good fighter and great choice of sparring partner to get ready for Mayweather

It's impossible to get the same fighter who fights like floyd that's why he is unique. however, mosely will be a good sparring partner not because he can mimic floyd seamlessly, but because he is the closest to mayweather "speed wise", remember that he isn't hitting oscar with powershots in their sparring sessions, so without so much power in the delivery of his punches in his mind, he can crank up more speed with every punches. The rest will be up to oscar since the reflex and impeccable timing setup punches of mayweather is impossible to mimic.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Hairdoo

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Starr

Also I think Mosley neglects a punch that makes Floyd very special, his straight right hand, and personally I haven't seen Mosley throw a straight right hand in years, he always seems to loop it now after two flickering jabs.

Mosley can use angles but his style and Floyd's style couldn't be further apart.

If anything, Mosley can match or get close to the speed of Mayweather. But in terms of knee jerk reflexes and offense and defense combined as one, I don't tink you could find a sparring partner on earth to prepare you for that.

---

Mosley definitely fits the bill!

I'd bet my left nut Mosley is throwing faster now than what Floyd will May 5th. This is just sparring so Shane will do as he is told, he won't go into sparring sessions imitating himself ::**

If he is asked to run for 3 minutes with a high guard throwing fast straight right hands from as many differant angles as he can then you can guess its not going to look like the Shane we are used to seeing in the ring eh?

Everyone seems to be forgeting the scenario that just maybe Mosley could spark Floyd at 147!! If thats the case then that puts a whole new perspective on it. ;)

---

I have full faith that Sugar Shane would beat Mayweather at 147. That is wat makes this fight so special. De La Hoya has a more competitive sparring partner than his opponent in my opinion. Shane is beatable at the higher wieghts. At 147 I don't think he is. And I don't think Mayweather would fight him for that reason.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by boozeboxer

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Hairdoo

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Starr

Also I think Mosley neglects a punch that makes Floyd very special, his straight right hand, and personally I haven't seen Mosley throw a straight right hand in years, he always seems to loop it now after two flickering jabs.

Mosley can use angles but his style and Floyd's style couldn't be further apart.

If anything, Mosley can match or get close to the speed of Mayweather. But in terms of knee jerk reflexes and offense and defense combined as one, I don't tink you could find a sparring partner on earth to prepare you for that.

---

Mosley definitely fits the bill!

I'd bet my left nut Mosley is throwing faster now than what Floyd will May 5th. This is just sparring so Shane will do as he is told, he won't go into sparring sessions imitating himself ::**

If he is asked to run for 3 minutes with a high guard throwing fast straight right hands from as many differant angles as he can then you can guess its not going to look like the Shane we are used to seeing in the ring eh?

Everyone seems to be forgeting the scenario that just maybe Mosley could spark Floyd at 147!! If thats the case then that puts a whole new perspective on it. ;)

---

I have full faith that Sugar Shane would beat Mayweather at 147. That is wat makes this fight so special. De La Hoya has a more competitive sparring partner than his opponent in my opinion. Shane is beatable at the higher wieghts. At 147 I don't think he is. And I don't think Mayweather would fight him for that reason.

---

Agreed ;)

Mosley or De La Hoya would of made an absolute mess of Baldomir and brutally finished off Judah ala Kostya.

Mosley is the perfect man for the job of helping DLH, Mayweather will use all of his extraordinary defensive skills against DLH and he will need to as i think the strength of DLH will ultimately give him the decision. I just don't see Floyd landing enough big shots to slow DLH down. Mosley is strong and fast and yes he is a little robotic, however he will give DLH all the preparation he needs for this fight. Mayweather might not get tagged at all by DLH during this fight but will he build up points and win by fighting defensively throughout.
At some point he is going to have to mix it and DLH won't mind that.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by THE Bigragu

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by dezmundo1983

I think, mosley is a big test 4 any fighter dnt forget he holds those wins over de la hoya, so if de la hoya wins another fight with oscar or even a showdown with mayweather.

---

that would be something...ODLH vs SSM III!!!! it would be the best of 3...I personally think ODLH won the last one...

---

they was gonna do III right away but guess who demanding the bigger purse and pissed off the other guy???????

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by boozeboxer

I have full faith that Sugar Shane would beat Mayweather at 147. That is wat makes this fight so special. De La Hoya has a more competitive sparring partner than his opponent in my opinion. Shane is beatable at the higher wieghts. At 147 I don't think he is. And I don't think Mayweather would fight him for that reason.

---

Tell that to Vernon Forrest. :)

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by SweetPea

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by boozeboxer

I have full faith that Sugar Shane would beat Mayweather at 147. That is wat makes this fight so special. De La Hoya has a more competitive sparring partner than his opponent in my opinion. Shane is beatable at the higher wieghts. At 147 I don't think he is. And I don't think Mayweather would fight him for that reason.

---

Tell that to Vernon Forrest. :)

---

Touche'

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Starr

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by wacko3205

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by THE Bigragu

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by dezmundo1983

I think, mosley is a big test 4 any fighter dnt forget he holds those wins over de la hoya, so if de la hoya wins another fight with oscar or even a showdown with mayweather.

---

that would be something...ODLH vs SSM III!!!! it would be the best of 3...I personally think ODLH won the last one...

---

I was ringside for that one...Oscar won. Sorry but he did.

---

he doesn't think so ;)

---

Come the fwock on Sugar Puss.

He was robbed. Oscar won the fight.

Mosley knew he lost. It was all over his face. Anyone that saw the look on his face knew that he lost that fight...just like he did.

Mosley was as shocked as Oscar was.

It was bullshit.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by SweetPea

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by boozeboxer

I have full faith that Sugar Shane would beat Mayweather at 147. That is wat makes this fight so special. De La Hoya has a more competitive sparring partner than his opponent in my opinion. Shane is beatable at the higher wieghts. At 147 I don't think he is. And I don't think Mayweather would fight him for that reason.

---

Tell that to Vernon Forrest. :)

---

The past is past. Vernon Forrest had to rob Ike Quartey to get a decision his way now.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by boozeboxer

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by SweetPea

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by boozeboxer

I have full faith that Sugar Shane would beat Mayweather at 147. That is wat makes this fight so special. De La Hoya has a more competitive sparring partner than his opponent in my opinion. Shane is beatable at the higher wieghts. At 147 I don't think he is. And I don't think Mayweather would fight him for that reason.

---

Tell that to Vernon Forrest. :)

---

The past is past. Vernon Forrest had to rob Ike Quartey to get a decision his way now.

---

Ok... but if prime Shane Mosley could get beaten decisively at 147, then you better believe 35 year old Shane Mosley can lose at 147. Floyd picks him apart.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by SweetPea

There is no one out there as fast as Mayweather right now, so Mosley can't prepare DLH for Floyd's speed, but he's the closest thing.

Shane and Floyd do have much different styles though. Floyd has always used his speed to execute a prefect defensive scheme, whereas Shane has used his speed to dive in and throw combos.
Floyd is more Pernell Whitaker, whereas Shane was always more Meldrick Taylor.

---

Nice,couldn't have said it better myself! :D

YES. But I'm not saying that Oscar will win, or saying that he will win because of him.

I'm just saying...

There is no other fighter on the planet as athletic, intelligent, and fast a Sparring Partner Shane will make in preparing for Floyd.

Shane will make for GREAT preparation for a Floyd Mayweather.
Is he going to "be Floyd in the ring" ? ... No.

But there is no other fighter that can imitate him as well as Mosley. ;)

As much as people hate him Zab Judah is better in terms of what style Oscar would be facing if he wants to spar(if you turn him around to orthodox) but I doubt he'd train in Puerto Rico at this moment ;D

Mosley is not as fast as Floyd. And I also disagree with what everyone seems to be saying: "Mosley's not as fast, but he's the closest thing to Floyd in terms of speed. This should be rephrased: Mosley's the closest thing to Floyd in terms of speed who is available to spar right now. Zab is undoubtedly faster than Mosley -- from the opening rounds of the Zab/PBF fight, it's possible that Zab's slightly faster than Floyd at 147.

Of course, Zab's not available to spar -- and would probably be a terrible person to have in your camp for numerous obvious reasons.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Majesty

As much as people hate him Zab Judah is better in terms of what style Oscar would be facing if he wants to spar(if you turn him around to orthodox) but I doubt he'd train in Puerto Rico at this moment ;D

---

Haha. CC. I hadn't seen your post yet when I posted mine.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Majesty

As much as people hate him Zab Judah is better in terms of what style Oscar would be facing if he wants to spar(if you turn him around to orthodox) but I doubt he'd train in Puerto Rico at this moment ;D

---

what u talking about zab said it himself....that he has more PR fans than cotto does ;)

While i agree that Mosley is a good choice of sparring partner i also don't think any sparring partner is going to be able to replacate what De La Hoya is going to experience in the ring. Sparring partners that are just helping De La Hoya deal with speed are only good for him to a certain extent. Mayweather does use his speed and elusiveness but that isn't the only thing that De La Hoya has to worry about. Mayweather manages to hit his oncoming opponent with enough power to make him think twice about launching another attack. De La Hoya cannot replacate that in sparring without engaging in full on boxing, which is obviously not going to happen building up to a fight. The big factor i feel is wether or not De La Hoya can mentally cope with Mayweather. Does Oscar have that positive mentally that will stop him from being discouraged everytime he is pot shotted by Mayweather? This very thing happened to Diego Corrales when he fought Mayweather. He was frequently pot shotted but with enough power and accuracy to discourage him. I can just see that happening to De La Hoya and as the fight moves into the middle to latter rounds i think we will see Mayweather putting together powerful combinations with a confused De La Hoya following him around the ring. I can just see the hunger disappearing after about 4 or 5 rounds. Might be wrong and i don't want to discredit De La Hoya, but that's just what i see happening.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by ono

While i agree that Mosley is a good choice of sparring partner i also don't think any sparring partner is going to be able to replacate what De La Hoya is going to experience in the ring. Sparring partners that are just helping De La Hoya deal with speed are only good for him to a certain extent. Mayweather does use his speed and elusiveness but that isn't the only thing that De La Hoya has to worry about. Mayweather manages to hit his oncoming opponent with enough power to make him think twice about launching another attack. De La Hoya cannot replacate that in sparring without engaging in full on boxing, which is obviously not going to happen building up to a fight. The big factor i feel is wether or not De La Hoya can mentally cope with Mayweather. Does Oscar have that positive mentally that will stop him from being discouraged everytime he is pot shotted by Mayweather? This very thing happened to Diego Corrales when he fought Mayweather. He was frequently pot shotted but with enough power and accuracy to discourage him. I can just see that happening to De La Hoya and as the fight moves into the middle to latter rounds i think we will see Mayweather putting together powerful combinations with a confused De La Hoya following him around the ring. I can just see the hunger disappearing after about 4 or 5 rounds. Might be wrong and i don't want to discredit De La Hoya, but that's just what i see happening.

---

De La Hoya is a much more skilled fighter than Corrales. This whole sparring partner discussion is ridiculous. Whether Shane can truly imitate Floyd or not is beside the point people! He is a world class fighter. How many people can have this caliber of a fighter as a sparring partner?! Will it help Oscar win the fight...maybe. It certainly wont hurt his chances.

a lot of people here discredit odlh's achievements.when we talk about pbf vs odlh, all pbf's fans talk about him giving odlh a beating as if odlh just started boxing yesterday.but im tire of ranting about this.. come may 5th maybe ill shut up or pbf homers will.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by josef4334

a lot of people here discredit odlh's achievements.when we talk about pbf vs odlh, all pbf's fans talk about him giving odlh a beating as if odlh just started boxing yesterday.but im tire of ranting about this.. come may 5th maybe ill shut up or pbf homers will.

---

I'm not a mayweather fan, i'm a ricky hatton fan. I like De La Hoya but he's going to get beaten up.

Mosley is as close as available (I agree with whoever said that above). I think speed wise they are comparable, but PBF is quicker. And Shane definitely hits harder.