Could Judah-Cotto & Hatton-Castillo Enhance Floyd's Legacy More Than His Fight?

It just occured to me that if Floyd wins May 5th, his legacy could be even further solidified by him not even stepping into the ring. If Judah were to somehow beat Cotto, AND Castillo wins over Hatton, this would be two of Floyd's victims who would knock off two of the biggest names in boxing. Basically legacy is ultimately defined by your opponents. Roy similarly stopped getting grief and criticism for not fighting Darius M. after Julio Gonzales went into his backyard and beat him. If Floyd, Judah, and Castillo all win, even as unlikely as that seems, Floyd haters may as well kill themselves because he would be launched into the boxing stratusphere forever.

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Originally Posted by Samson3000

It just occured to me that if Floyd wins May 5th, his legacy could be even further solidified by him not even stepping into the ring. If Judah were to somehow beat Cotto, AND Castillo wins over Hatton, this would be two of Floyd's victims who would knock off two of the biggest names in boxing. Basically legacy is ultimately defined by your opponents. Roy similarly stopped getting grief and criticism for not fighting Darius M. after Julio Gonzales went into his backyard and beat him. If Floyd, Judah, and Castillo all win, even as unlikely as that seems, Floyd haters may as well kill themselves because he would be launched into the boxing stratusphere forever.

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It's possible, but styles make fights. Example= Lewis beat holyfield, who beat Tyson, but alot of people still thought that Tyson would beat Lewis. Floyd might be the most hated man in boxing, so, if he didn't beat that fighter, someone will come up with an excuse why he's not better.

well if both hatton and cotto win no mayweather will have to fight them but if judah and castillo win than yes and he could retire

Hatton has a resume full of D+ fighters...and maybe 3 C+ fighters.Cotto has to beat Zab,winner of the Margo fight,and probably someone else.Floyd has already hinted that he will fight Hatton.

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Hatton has a resume full of D+ fighters...and maybe 3 C+ fighters.Cotto has to beat Zab,winner of the Margo fight,and probably someone else.Floyd has already hinted that he will fight Hatton.

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It hadn't occurred to me, good point.

Lets just hope Judah, Castillo and Floyd all lose so next year is dynamite at welterweight. ;D

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Hatton has a resume full of D+ fighters...and maybe 3 C+ fighters.Cotto has to beat Zab,winner of the Margo fight,and probably someone else.Floyd has already hinted that he will fight Hatton.

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Since when has Tszyu been a C+ FIGHTER

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Originally Posted by Samson3000

It just occured to me that if Floyd wins May 5th, his legacy could be even further solidified by him not even stepping into the ring. If Judah were to somehow beat Cotto, AND Castillo wins over Hatton, this would be two of Floyd's victims who would knock off two of the biggest names in boxing. Basically legacy is ultimately defined by your opponents. Roy similarly stopped getting grief and criticism for not fighting Darius M. after Julio Gonzales went into his backyard and beat him. If Floyd, Judah, and Castillo all win, even as unlikely as that seems, Floyd haters may as well kill themselves because he would be launched into the boxing stratusphere forever.

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You have a point.. And its a nice little tie in of two former foes fighting two great stars that everybody wants in the pipe line for floyd..
But really haters will never be silenced..It really comes down to styles make fights

STYLE MAKE FIGHTS !

I don't think Judah can beat Cotto. Cotto gets in trouble sometimes but he seems to get better everytime he fights. Hatton would beat Castillo cause of the vicious body attack. Now Hatton and Cotto would be a welter weight version of Pavlik Miranda. A true knock out slug fest.

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It hadn't occurred to me, good point.

Lets just hope Judah, Castillo and Floyd all lose so next year is dynamite at welterweight. ;D

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LOL good posting.

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I don't think Judah can beat Cotto. Cotto gets in trouble sometimes but he seems to get better everytime he fights. Hatton would beat Castillo cause of the vicious body attack. Now Hatton and Cotto would be a welter weight version of Pavlik Miranda. A true knock out slug fest.

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I think Cotto hurts Hatton at welterweight we would need a catch weight.

its been said before but it's so true that i'm gonna say it again. STYLES MAKE FIGHTS!! so if castillo beats hatton and if judah beats cotto doesnt necesarily mean that mayweather would beat cotto and hatton aswell simply because he's beaten men that won against them.

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I don't think Judah can beat Cotto. Cotto gets in trouble sometimes but he seems to get better everytime he fights. Hatton would beat Castillo cause of the vicious body attack. Now Hatton and Cotto would be a welter weight version of Pavlik Miranda. A true knock out slug fest.

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I think Cotto hurts Hatton at welterweight we would need a catch weight.

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yeah man i would feel a lot better about a cotto vs hatton if it was made at a catch weight. hopefully they both win in june and could fight each other before christmas.

I would love to see Cotto v Hatton,been waiting for that fight for so long.I think if they agree on a catch weight Hatton would take it,but at welter I really don't know,Hatton loves to brawl inside,and to me his style is terrific,some people don't apreciate it but to me he's like a little B-Hop,frustrates you with his grappling tactics but he's very skilled at doing it,big heart and stamina.I see a lot of flaws in Cotto and many people gets pissed cuz I'm a puertorican but I dont praise Cotto like everyone does.Hatton at 140 kills Cotto,at 147 Cotto at 147 can hurt Hatton to the body.I thought that Hatton didn't had a weakness but I discovered that well placed body shots maybe it in his fight against Urango,so let's wait and see what happens with JLC,I think that Castillo can take this one in the bag. ;)

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I would love to see Cotto v Hatton,been waiting for that fight for so long.I think if they agree on a catch weight Hatton would take it,but at welter I really don't know,Hatton loves to brawl inside,and to me his style is terrific,some people don't apreciate it but to me he's like a little B-Hop,frustrates you with his grappling tactics but he's very skilled at doing it,big heart and stamina.I see a lot of flaws in Cotto and many people gets pissed cuz I'm a puertorican but I dont praise Cotto like everyone does.Hatton at 140 kills Cotto,at 147 Cotto at 147 can hurt Hatton to the body.I thought that Hatton didn't had a weakness but I discovered that well placed body shots maybe it in his fight against Urango,so let's wait and see what happens with JLC,I think that Castillo can take this one in the bag. ;)

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If I remember right Hatton has only ever been stopped once and that was due to a body shot, so he then learned the importance of bodyshots and became a great body puncher. So yeah, thats his biggest weakness and Cotto would take full advantage of it.

BTW welcome and have a CC!

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Hatton has a resume full of D+ fighters...and maybe 3 C+ fighters.Cotto has to beat Zab,winner of the Margo fight,and probably someone else.Floyd has already hinted that he will fight Hatton.

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The thread meaning seems to have gone whistling over your heads

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I would love to see Cotto v Hatton,been waiting for that fight for so long.I think if they agree on a catch weight Hatton would take it,but at welter I really don't know,Hatton loves to brawl inside,and to me his style is terrific,some people don't apreciate it but to me he's like a little B-Hop,frustrates you with his grappling tactics but he's very skilled at doing it,big heart and stamina.I see a lot of flaws in Cotto and many people gets pissed cuz I'm a puertorican but I dont praise Cotto like everyone does.Hatton at 140 kills Cotto,at 147 Cotto at 147 can hurt Hatton to the body.I thought that Hatton didn't had a weakness but I discovered that well placed body shots maybe it in his fight against Urango,so let's wait and see what happens with JLC,I think that Castillo can take this one in the bag. ;)

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If I remember right Hatton has only ever been stopped once and that was due to a body shot, so he then learned the importance of bodyshots and became a great body puncher. So yeah, thats his biggest weakness and Cotto would take full advantage of it.

BTW welcome and have a CC!

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Thanks for the welcome bro,I love it in here.

I agree.

I'm still not impresses with Floyd's resume though. Since his last fight with Castillo, he's fought Victoriano Sosa, Phillip N'dou, DeMarcus Corley, Henry Brussles, Arturo Gatti, Sharmba Mitchell, Zab Judah, and Carlos Baldomir.

Judah was by far the best of these opponents, even though he did lose to Baldomir. But the rest of these guys are not the top guys in Boxing. I'm tired of hearing how Floyd has fought the best guys in the Sport, this is just not the case

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I agree.

I'm still not impresses with Floyd's resume though. Since his last fight with Castillo, he's fought Victoriano Sosa, Phillip N'dou, DeMarcus Corley, Henry Brussles, Arturo Gatti, Sharmba Mitchell, Zab Judah, and Carlos Baldomir.

Judah was by far the best of these opponents, even though he did lose to Baldomir. But the rest of these guys are not the top guys in Boxing. I'm tired of hearing how Floyd has fought the best guys in the Sport, this is just not the case

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Who is the best in the sport?Cotto?Margo?...and just what makes them the best??

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I agree.

I'm still not impresses with Floyd's resume though. Since his last fight with Castillo, he's fought Victoriano Sosa, Phillip N'dou, DeMarcus Corley, Henry Brussles, Arturo Gatti, Sharmba Mitchell, Zab Judah, and Carlos Baldomir.

Judah was by far the best of these opponents, even though he did lose to Baldomir. But the rest of these guys are not the top guys in Boxing. I'm tired of hearing how Floyd has fought the best guys in the Sport, this is just not the case

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Who is the best in the sport?Cotto?Margo?...and just what makes them the best??

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Fact is if you claim to be the best then its expected that you step up and fight the best. Poor Floyd can't get a fight because the top 5 welterweights are all scared of him BULLSHIAT!

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I agree.

I'm still not impresses with Floyd's resume though. Since his last fight with Castillo, he's fought Victoriano Sosa, Phillip N'dou, DeMarcus Corley, Henry Brussles, Arturo Gatti, Sharmba Mitchell, Zab Judah, and Carlos Baldomir.

Judah was by far the best of these opponents, even though he did lose to Baldomir. But the rest of these guys are not the top guys in Boxing. I'm tired of hearing how Floyd has fought the best guys in the Sport, this is just not the case

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Who is the best in the sport?Cotto?Margo?...and just what makes them the best??

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Fact is if you claim to be the best then its expected that you step up and fight the best. Poor Floyd can't get a fight because the top 5 welterweights are all scared of him BULLSHIAT!

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What top 5 welterwieghts are scared of Floyd?

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I agree.

I'm still not impresses with Floyd's resume though. Since his last fight with Castillo, he's fought Victoriano Sosa, Phillip N'dou, DeMarcus Corley, Henry Brussles, Arturo Gatti, Sharmba Mitchell, Zab Judah, and Carlos Baldomir.

Judah was by far the best of these opponents, even though he did lose to Baldomir. But the rest of these guys are not the top guys in Boxing. I'm tired of hearing how Floyd has fought the best guys in the Sport, this is just not the case

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Who is the best in the sport?Cotto?Margo?...and just what makes them the best??

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Fact is if you claim to be the best then its expected that you step up and fight the best. Poor Floyd can't get a fight because the top 5 welterweights are all scared of him BULLSHIAT!

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What top 5 welterwieghts are scared of Floyd?

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none period.

He hasnt been fighting the best every fight...but what fighter has?Jermaine Taylor has been doing it.He fought Baldo!Baldo was ranked over Cotto and Margo!Explain to me how Cotto,Margo,and Hatton all are the best????because they fought Corley,Quintana,Malignaggi?lol lol lol

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He fought Baldo!Baldo was ranked over Cotto and Margo!Explain to me how Cotto,Margo,and Hatton all are the best????because they fought Corley,Quintana,Malignaggi?lol lol lol

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You can't be serious?

Baldomir (30% ko ratio) 43 Wins (13 ko's) 10 Losses 6 Draws yep he was a real dangerous opponent. ::** he was a champion for how long? oh thats right long enough to beat Gatti.

Margarito (70% ko ratio) has been a champion knocking out legitimate welterweight contenders for over 10 years.

Cotto (82% ko ratio) is an Undefeated TWO Division Champion.

Hatton (71% ko ratio) former Undisputed Champion at LW is also a Undefeated TWO Divsion Champion.

It beats me why you are laughing out loud at the notion that these guys are a more formidable challenge than old man Baldomir who is known to hit slow and soft. ???

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He fought Baldo!Baldo was ranked over Cotto and Margo!Explain to me how Cotto,Margo,and Hatton all are the best????because they fought Corley,Quintana,Malignaggi?lol lol lol

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You can't be serious?

Baldomir (30% ko ratio) 43 Wins (13 ko's) 10 Losses 6 Draws yep he was a real dangerous opponent. ::** he was a champion for how long? oh thats right long enough to beat Gatti.

Margarito (70% ko ratio) has been a champion knocking out legitimate welterweight contenders for over 10 years.

Cotto (82% ko ratio) is an Undefeated TWO Division Champion.

Hatton (71% ko ratio) former Undisputed Champion at LW is also a Undefeated TWO Divsion Champion.

It beats me why you are laughing out loud at the notion that these guys are a more formidable challenge than old man Baldomir who is known to hit slow and soft. ???

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KO percentage means Sh*T in my book.Look at Winky Wrights KO percentage...doesnt mean that he isnt good.
You are praising Margo and Cotto based on what????they havent beaten any great fighters.Margo has been KO'ing "legitimate contenders"...lol.Name a great fighter that he has beat?
Cotto is undefeated yes...but being undefeated proves nothing.Williams is undefeated too...so what?Name a great fighter that Cotto has beaten?

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He fought Baldo!Baldo was ranked over Cotto and Margo!Explain to me how Cotto,Margo,and Hatton all are the best????because they fought Corley,Quintana,Malignaggi?lol lol lol

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You can't be serious?

Baldomir (30% ko ratio) 43 Wins (13 ko's) 10 Losses 6 Draws yep he was a real dangerous opponent. ::** he was a champion for how long? oh thats right long enough to beat Gatti.

Margarito (70% ko ratio) has been a champion knocking out legitimate welterweight contenders for over 10 years.

Cotto (82% ko ratio) is an Undefeated TWO Division Champion.

Hatton (71% ko ratio) former Undisputed Champion at LW is also a Undefeated TWO Divsion Champion.

It beats me why you are laughing out loud at the notion that these guys are a more formidable challenge than old man Baldomir who is known to hit slow and soft. ???

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KO percentage means Sh*T in my book.Look at Winky Wrights KO percentage...doesnt mean that he isnt good.
You are praising Margo and Cotto based on what????they havent beaten any great fighters.Margo has been KO'ing "legitimate contenders"...lol.Name a great fighter that he has beat[/b]?
Cotto is undefeated yes...but being undefeated proves nothing.Williams is undefeated too...so what?Name a great fighter that Cotto has beaten?

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Whooo back fella... take a breath.

I' am referring to who is the more dangerous opponent and giving you their respective accomplishments to back my argument up. I'm not referring to greatness, but if I was I could ask you the same question about Baldomir eh. ;)

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He fought Baldo!Baldo was ranked over Cotto and Margo!Explain to me how Cotto,Margo,and Hatton all are the best????because they fought Corley,Quintana,Malignaggi?lol lol lol

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You can't be serious?

Baldomir (30% ko ratio) 43 Wins (13 ko's) 10 Losses 6 Draws yep he was a real dangerous opponent. ::** he was a champion for how long? oh thats right long enough to beat Gatti.

Margarito (70% ko ratio) has been a champion knocking out legitimate welterweight contenders for over 10 years.

Cotto (82% ko ratio) is an Undefeated TWO Division Champion.

Hatton (71% ko ratio) former Undisputed Champion at LW is also a Undefeated TWO Divsion Champion.

It beats me why you are laughing out loud at the notion that these guys are a more formidable challenge than old man Baldomir who is known to hit slow and soft. ???

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KO percentage means Sh*T in my book.Look at Winky Wrights KO percentage...doesnt mean that he isnt good.
You are praising Margo and Cotto based on what????they havent beaten any great fighters.Margo has been KO'ing "legitimate contenders"...lol.Name a great fighter that he has beat[/b]?
Cotto is undefeated yes...but being undefeated proves nothing.Williams is undefeated too...so what?Name a great fighter that Cotto has beaten?

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Whooo back fella... take a breath.

I' am referring to who is the more dangerous opponent and giving you their respective accomplishments to back my argument up. I'm not referring to greatness, but if I was I could ask you the same question about Baldomir eh. ;)

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I don't care if Baldomir had a belt, he's a joke and was never a threat to Mayweather in any way. I don't blame Mayweather for going after him and taking advantage of that WBC belt just dangling out there waiting to be taken, but at the same time there is no way it can be seriously argued that he added to the overall level of Mayweather's competition.

Judah has not exactly been striking fear into anybody lately either.

Also, I don't care who was ranked above anyone else. The ranking system is among the most corrupt parts of boxing. The sanctioning bodies have many criteria for deciding their rankings, unfortunately, very often talent is not at the top of that list.

In my opinion, the best welters out there, in order of difficulty for Mayweather, are

1) Shane Mosley

2) Antonio Margarito

3) Paul Williams

4) Miguel Cotto

5) Joshua Clottey

If he wanted to prove something or add something to meaningful to his record, he could have fought any of these guys. As usual, Mayweather took the easy and safe route and chose to fight none of them.

I'll add this, I think Mayweather probably beats Cotto and Clottey. As far as Williams, admittedly, I have had only limited exposure to him thus far, but from what I've seen I think he might be able to really bother Mayweather. The other two had the makings of a very tough battle for him. He could have won them, or maybe not, but either way he doesn't help his reputation for "fighting the best" when he doesn't even fight any of the top four or five in a division he's just moved up to.

BTW, I don't think Hatton belongs in a discussion of welterweights. That aside, Mayweather would probably handle Hatton easily (I think it's a good match up for him), but he doesn't prove anything against anybody unless he actually makes the fights.

Any of these guys would have been more of a challenge and earned him more respect than just saying he fights the best, then going after Judah and Baldomir.

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He fought Baldo!Baldo was ranked over Cotto and Margo!Explain to me how Cotto,Margo,and Hatton all are the best????because they fought Corley,Quintana,Malignaggi?lol lol lol

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You can't be serious?

Baldomir (30% ko ratio) 43 Wins (13 ko's) 10 Losses 6 Draws yep he was a real dangerous opponent. ::** he was a champion for how long? oh thats right long enough to beat Gatti.

Margarito (70% ko ratio) has been a champion knocking out legitimate welterweight contenders for over 10 years.

Cotto (82% ko ratio) is an Undefeated TWO Division Champion.

Hatton (71% ko ratio) former Undisputed Champion at LW is also a Undefeated TWO Divsion Champion.

It beats me why you are laughing out loud at the notion that these guys are a more formidable challenge than old man Baldomir who is known to hit slow and soft. ???

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KO percentage means Sh*T in my book.Look at Winky Wrights KO percentage...doesnt mean that he isnt good.
You are praising Margo and Cotto based on what????they havent beaten any great fighters.Margo has been KO'ing "legitimate contenders"...lol.Name a great fighter that he has beat[/b]?
Cotto is undefeated yes...but being undefeated proves nothing.Williams is undefeated too...so what?Name a great fighter that Cotto has beaten?

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Whooo back fella... take a breath.

I' am referring to who is the more dangerous opponent and giving you their respective accomplishments to back my argument up. I'm not referring to greatness, but if I was I could ask you the same question about Baldomir eh. ;)

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I don't care if Baldomir had a belt, he's a joke and was never a threat to Mayweather in any way. I don't blame Mayweather for going after him and taking advantage of that WBC belt just dangling out there waiting to be taken, but at the same time there is no way it can be seriously argued that he added to the overall level of Mayweather's competition.

Judah has not exactly been striking fear into anybody lately either.

Also, I don't care who was ranked above anyone else. The ranking system is among the most corrupt parts of boxing. The sanctioning bodies have many criteria for deciding their rankings, unfortunately, very often talent is not at the top of that list.

In my opinion, the best welters out there, in order of difficulty for Mayweather, are

1) Shane Mosley

2) Antonio Margarito

3) Paul Williams

4) Miguel Cotto

5) Joshua Clottey

If he wanted to prove something or add something to meaningful to his record, he could have fought any of these guys. As usual, Mayweather took the easy and safe route and chose to fight none of them.

I'll add this, I think Mayweather probably beats Cotto and Clottey. As far as Williams, admittedly, I have had only limited exposure to him thus far, but from what I've seen I think he might be able to really bother Mayweather. The other two had the makings of a very tough battle for him. He could have won them, or maybe not, but either way he doesn't help his reputation for "fighting the best" when he doesn't even fight any of the top four or five in a division he's just moved up to.

BTW, I don't think Hatton belongs in a discussion of welterweights. That aside, Mayweather would probably handle Hatton easily (I think it's a good match up for him), but he doesn't prove anything against anybody unless he actually makes the fights.

Any of these guys would have been more of a challenge and earned him more respect than just saying he fights the best, then going after Judah and Baldomir.

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OMG, you haters are hysterical. This board was going ballistic at Floyd after he chose to fight Judah instead of Baldomir, saying why is he scared of Baldomir and why isn't he fighting the fighter that won, and then he fights Baldomir immediately after and now Baldomir suddenly was 'never a threat to Floyd.' I can see it now, all you idiots saying Floyd is running from Mosley and Margarito and Hatton, but when Floyd fights one of them after Oscar, they'll either be (in order I mentioned), either too old, or overrated from the start, or never a threat to begin with ;D ;D Floyd is sitting all by himself as the #1 p4p fighter in the world and haters can't stand it ;D ;D I love it ;D ;D ;D

Samcrusher you hit the nail right on the head.
MannyP...How did you determine that Baldo was no real threat to Floyd?Yet you think that Williams,Margo,Cotto are...this is based on what?

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Samcrusher you hit the nail right on the head.
MannyP...How did you determine that Baldo was no real threat to Floyd?Yet you think that Williams,Margo,Cotto are...this is based on what?

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Wow, how could anyone think he was? He's smaller, much less reach, slower, no power, and an old man on top if it. What the hell are you people smoking?

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Samcrusher you hit the nail right on the head.
MannyP...How did you determine that Baldo was no real threat to Floyd?Yet you think that Williams,Margo,Cotto are...this is based on what?

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Wow, how could anyone think he was? He's smaller, much less reach, slower, no power, and an old man on top if it. What the hell are you people smoking?

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As far as the rest of it, Margarito has the size and enough power to make Mayweather at least about what he's doing. Not to mention the experience.

Mosley, no explanation necessary.

Williams, I haven't seen enough of him to be sure, but I think his size and aggression would make it interesting. At this point, it's hard to see how Floyd handles it. It would definitely prove something if he took on such a challenge, but this is Floyd so forget it. He would never do anything for the pure challenge of it.

Cotto, I don't think matches up well with Floyd, but his power makes him dangerous. Again, dangerous, Floyd wants no part of it so forget it. He's out too.

Does it ever cross the mind of any of you Floyd lovers out there how he's managed to be a professional so long and managed so few big fights? Wake up people.

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Samcrusher you hit the nail right on the head.
MannyP...How did you determine that Baldo was no real threat to Floyd?Yet you think that Williams,Margo,Cotto are...this is based on what?

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Wow, how could anyone think he was? He's smaller, much less reach, slower, no power, and an old man on top if it. What the hell are you people smoking?

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As far as the rest of it, Margarito has the size and enough power to make Mayweather at least about what he's doing. Not to mention the experience.

Mosley, no explanation necessary.

Williams, I haven't seen enough of him to be sure, but I think his size and aggression would make it interesting. At this point, it's hard to see how Floyd handles it. It would definitely prove something if he took on such a challenge, but this is Floyd so forget it. He would never do anything for the pure challenge of it.

Cotto, I don't think matches up well with Floyd, but his power makes him dangerous. Again, dangerous, Floyd wants no part of it so forget it. He's out too.

Does it ever cross the mind of any of you Floyd lovers out there how he's managed to be a professional so long and managed so few big fights? Wake up people.

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Oh, and by the way, I never said these were great fighters who were better than Floyd or would dominate Floyd, my point was that each of these guys presents something to challenge Floyd that Baldomir and Judah didn't. Baldomir especially, who had absolutely nothing to challenge him with. You wanted to know who he could have fought for a better challenge, well here it is.

They're out there now, they were different names, but they were out there the year before that and the year before that too. But it's always somebody else's fault why they never happen.

When it comes to most things, taking the path of least resistance is logical and smart, but if you want to do it while you're a boxer and say at the same time that you fight the best, it just doesn't work.

Mannp on your fighter breakdowns...
You said that Margo had the size,power,and experience.
-Floyd beat a tall Corrales...your measuring Margo's power by what?Him KO'ing D- fighters?Experience...he doesnt have experience against top fighters.

Williams-You mention his size and aggressive style.He leaves himself wide open and he takes a lot of punches.You take away his height and stamina...and he would be like 8-24 right now or something.He makes to many mistakes to beat Floyd.

Cotto-You mentioned his power and that he's dangerous.Power means nothing if you cant land a clean shot on someone.Where was his power during the Malignaggi and Urkal fights?Because I didnt see it.

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Mannp on your fighter breakdowns...
You said that Margo had the size,power,and experience.
-Floyd beat a tall Corrales...your measuring Margo's power by what?Him KO'ing D- fighters?Experience...he doesnt have experience against top fighters.

Williams-You mention his size and aggressive style.He leaves himself wide open and he takes a lot of punches.You take away his height and stamina...and he would be like 8-24 right now or something.He makes to many mistakes to beat Floyd.

Cotto-You mentioned his power and that he's dangerous.Power means nothing if you cant land a clean shot on someone.Where was his power during the Malignaggi and Urkal fights?Because I didnt see it.

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Margo is superior to Corrales. That is a very poor comparison. Also, Corrales' size is deceptive, while he's tall, he has a relatively short reach. Despite his height, Mayweather was able to establish the distance and control the fight. Also, I think Margo clearly has more power.

Williams, you might be right, or not, hard to say unless we see it for ourselves. One thing about Floyd, he has rarely fought anyone, if ever, that has physical advantages of reach and height. For him, setting the distance is a huge part of him controlling the fight. With Williams, he may leave himself open, but the advantages are so huge Mayweather might not ever get close to him. Plus, Mayweather has no power. His stoppages come from accumulation, not power. It's not just a matter of him getting close and working Williams, it would be a matter of him having to do it over and over in order for him to wear Williams down or add up points. I think that could be a very difficult task for Mayweather.

Cotto, I actually agree with you. It's a bad match up for Cotto. However, his power makes him dangerous. He is agressive and brings with him a chance to catch Mayweather. Baldomir and Judah did not carry this kind of risk.

Would any of these guys beat Mayweather? Maybe not, or maybe, that's not the main point. Each would have brought something into the ring that Judah and Baldmir didn't. They would have been much more difficult opponents, and as far as I'm concerned, answered more of our questions about Floyd and earned him much more respect.

Baldomir and Judah presented no real threat from their power, they had no advantages in height or reach, they were safe choices and clearly NOT the best competition for Mayweather at 147.

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Originally Posted by Olympian904

Mannp on your fighter breakdowns...
You said that Margo had the size,power,and experience.
-Floyd beat a tall Corrales...your measuring Margo's power by what?Him KO'ing D- fighters?Experience...he doesnt have experience against top fighters.

Williams-You mention his size and aggressive style.He leaves himself wide open and he takes a lot of punches.You take away his height and stamina...and he would be like 8-24 right now or something.He makes to many mistakes to beat Floyd.

Cotto-You mentioned his power and that he's dangerous.Power means nothing if you cant land a clean shot on someone.Where was his power during the Malignaggi and Urkal fights?Because I didnt see it.

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Margo is superior to Corrales. That is a very poor comparison. Also, Corrales' size is deceptive, while he's tall, he has a relatively short reach. Despite his height, Mayweather was able to establish the distance and control the fight. Also, I think Margo clearly has more power.

Williams, you might be right, or not, hard to say unless we see it for ourselves. One thing about Floyd, he has rarely fought anyone, if ever, that has physical advantages of reach and height. For him, setting the distance is a huge part of him controlling the fight. With Williams, he may leave himself open, but the advantages are so huge Mayweather might not ever get close to him. Plus, Mayweather has no power. His stoppages come from accumulation, not power. It's not just a matter of him getting close and working Williams, it would be a matter of him having to do it over and over in order for him to wear Williams down or add up points. I think that could be a very difficult task for Mayweather.

Cotto, I actually agree with you. It's a bad match up for Cotto. However, his power makes him dangerous. He is agressive and brings with him a chance to catch Mayweather. Baldomir and Judah did not carry this kind of risk.

Would any of these guys beat Mayweather? Maybe not, or maybe, that's not the main point. Each would have brought something into the ring that Judah and Baldmir didn't. They would have been much more difficult opponents, and as far as I'm concerned, answered more of our questions about Floyd and earned him much more respect.

Baldomir and Judah presented no real threat from their power, they had no advantages in height or reach, they were safe choices and clearly NOT the best competition for Mayweather at 147.

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I agree Margarito is superior to Corrales, but he's inferior to DLH in every way imaginable. If Floyd dispatches of Oscar next Saturday, Margarito supporters can't make any claim as to how he would then be more deserving than Hatton (if he beats Castillo) or Cotto (if he beats Judah).