HUMBERTO SOTTO - BOBBY PACQUIAO ON JUDAH - COTTO UNDERCARD!!!

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Thats awesome!! I heard if Soto wins,he's fighting JMM next!! You like Soto right?

yea, sotto is the man

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Originally Posted by SalTheButcher

yea, sotto is the man

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How you see him doing in this fight and against the elite like JMM and Pac?

i think he could beat marquez in a close fight

pacqiuao...

if pacquiao is able to use his strength to make soto stumble, not by landing shots but by being real powerfull as he is blocked, maybe he could get sotos defense down.... but if he cant overpower him he would get outboxed

I think Soto really takes it to Pac early but fades and I think Manny would overwhelm him. JMM would beat Soto if he stays back and counters. If he tries to war like he has done v MAB,Terdsak and Jaca,I think he would get hurt.

Have you seen any of Soto's losses?

i dont think so, was the kevin kelley loss fair?

I haven't seen it but I heard it was.You have to remember though,Soto was taking fights on short notice,barely training. Since has had a settled camp,competed his training,he has won like 24 fight in a row including the beating he gave to Juarez!

soto should win, bobbby pacquiao is going to be a good fight for him though if bobby has his mind set right.

i just don't think soto can beat jmm or pac though.

i think jmm will ud him and pac will brake him down and eventually soto will quit.

i hope we see soto guzman or valero those three has a lot to prove imo.specially valero he has A LOT to prove.

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Originally Posted by Julius Rain

soto should win, bobbby pacquiao is going to be a good fight for him though if bobby has his mind set right.

i just don't think soto can beat jmm or pac though.

i think jmm will ud him and pac will brake him down and eventually soto will quit.

i hope we see soto guzman or valero those three has a lot to prove imo.specially valero he has A LOT to prove.

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I dount Soto would quit. No way,he was Morales sparring parner for a year,is battle hardened but still young. He might get stopped but I'd be disappointed to see him quit.

Why do you think Valoer has alot to prove bro?

i said this before ill say it again if soto defeats bobby look for ARUM to use that as the drama/publicity

to build up a match between manny and soto. billed: BIG BRO gonna make you pay for what u did to my lil bro ;D

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soto should win, bobbby pacquiao is going to be a good fight for him though if bobby has his mind set right.

i just don't think soto can beat jmm or pac though.

i think jmm will ud him and pac will brake him down and eventually soto will quit.

i hope we see soto guzman or valero those three has a lot to prove imo.specially valero he has A LOT to prove.

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I dount Soto would quit. No way,he was Morales sparring parner for a year,is battle hardened but still young. He might get stopped but I'd be disappointed to see him quit.

Why do you think Valoer has alot to prove bro?

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yea i think soto is tough too but in the later rounds pac speed and power takes over and always overwhelms his oppenents. they just can't figure out where pacs punches are coming from next. I've notice pacs oppenents aren't really getting put to sleep they are quiting. pac brakes down their body from body punches and chin checkers, and all those punches are with speed and power that they just can't figure out where its all coming from.

yea soto was morales sparring partner but sparring is just sparring. one of morales tijuana tough guy valezquez had to quit too from pacs punches. soto is tough but he'll need to be tough like larios trian like a mad man just to last 12 with pacman, but still get drop and dominated.

out of guzman soto and valero, i like soto the most though.

I think valero has a lot to prove because as of now to me his just all hype. guzman and soto has done more then valero has.

who you think will win out of the three guzman soto and valero?

Right now,I'd favour Guzman due to experience. But remember,Valero has barely fought,most of his fgihts have ended really early and he ALREADY has a title. He looks amazing in sparring,nothing like he does in fights,he boxes,lovely technique etc,I just wished he showed that in the fight. If he did,he would beat nearly everyone at the weight imo. Soto also seems to be getting better and better too so it's close but they are 3 stars in their own right.

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Originally Posted by El Gamo

Right now,I'd favour Guzman due to experience. But remember,Valero has barely fought,most of his fgihts have ended really early and he ALREADY has a title. He looks amazing in sparring,nothing like he does in fights,he boxes,lovely technique etc,I just wished he showed that in the fight. If he did,he would beat nearly everyone at the weight imo. Soto also seems to be getting better and better too so it's close but they are 3 stars in their own right.

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i hope we see them fight eachother soon. i think valero needs to box in his fights too, his going to have to against better oppenents. i really have doubts about his chin though can it hold up to elite punchers. but imo sparring is just sparring if your amazing in sparring it doesn't matter to me much. you have to show it at fight night.

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Originally Posted by El Gamo

Right now,I'd favour Guzman due to experience. But remember,Valero has barely fought,most of his fgihts have ended really early and he ALREADY has a title. He looks amazing in sparring,nothing like he does in fights,he boxes,lovely technique etc,I just wished he showed that in the fight. If he did,he would beat nearly everyone at the weight imo. Soto also seems to be getting better and better too so it's close but they are 3 stars in their own right.

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i hope we see them fight eachother soon. i think valero needs to box in his fights too, his going to have to against better oppenents. i really have doubts about his chin though can it hold up to elite punchers. but imo sparring is just sparring if your amazing in sparring it doesn't matter to me much. you have to show it at fight night.

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thats true sparring and boxing are completely different. but also the best way to condition/prepare for a fight is to spar spar spar.

all these new fitness gurus coming into the game dont mean jack to me. in fact that all pretty much still lost with a fitness guru except for b-hop when he used one against tarver.

as of now valero is in high with his K.O. but soon when the competition really gets tougher, he'll begin to realize the need to box well. thus, the sparring session exhibition he's been showing off will eventually come to show. Problem is, does he have the poise to do it in actual fight with great fighters?.. If he wants to harness it, he should try it to some bum boxers he usually knock off. however, since valero felt they are really that soft,he just consider them as worth the collections of K.O.s he got right now. However, he would be dead wrong if suddenly he finds himself in great fighters and suddenly he decides i wanna box this boxer off because he's too damn tough to get a knockdown with much more to knock him out in the game. That will be the time when valero's very 1st loss will come. Truly, when a boxer is engaged in a heated battle and your opponent is gaining on you, its normal to try everything you can just to turn the battle in favor of you, but the probability of the successful execution will be too low if you suddenly change your strategy to some great fighters like juan manuel marquez or pacman. in the end, when all strategies are tried and nothing really works, you will still go back to your true character and what kind of fighter you are.

So main point is valero should try boxing from time to time and mix it up with his brawling characteristic. Try it to some bum boxers first and slowly work it up to class B fighters. from there, he should have the right feel for that technique and may have a higher chance of executing it well with poise against great fighters. This is better rather than just turning it on whenever it's urgently needed to. i sure hope valero do this asap; so when he meet the real greats he won't look like a strong boxer coming out of nowhere and just looking for a lucky punch. ;D

This has the potential to be a good scrap .

Kevin Kelley is a common ooponent for both . Pac destroyed him in 4 whilst Soto lost to him on points . Neither of these guys records are much to get excited about but theyve both worked their way up and will be coming to win .

Bobbys always guna be in the shadow of his brother and therfore gets overlooked but he's an improving fighter and with the grit he showed vs Kelley and Hernandez he can make it a tough night for anyone. He's going to need all the grit and determination he's got in this fight and it will be a case of who wants it more when they are in the tenches.

Soto handled Juarez pretty comfortably and absorbed teh pnches well throughout .Pacquiao will have to try and beat him on volume . I can see Humberto using his physical advantages to get the better of Bobby during the exchanges . If he heits and hurts him often enough Bobby strikes me as the type who may settle for defeat . He needs a confidence booster when the going gets tough and if he doesnt get it , Soto will run right through him . Once Bobby has caved in mentally it will be all Soto .

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This has the potential to be a good scrap .

Kevin Kelley is a common ooponent for both . Pac destroyed him in 4 whilst Soto lost to him on points . Neither of these guys records are much to get excited about but theyve both worked their way up and will be coming to win .

Bobbys always guna be in the shadow of his brother and therfore gets overlooked but he's an improving fighter and with the grit he showed vs Kelley and Hernandez he can make it a tough night for anyone. He's going to need all the grit and determination he's got in this fight and it will be a case of who wants it more when they are in the tenches.

Soto handled Juarez pretty comfortably and absorbed teh pnches well throughout .Pacquiao will have to try and beat him on volume . I can see Humberto using his physical advantages to get the better of Bobby during the exchanges . If he heits and hurts him often enough Bobby strikes me as the type who may settle for defeat . He needs a confidence booster when the going gets tough and if he doesnt get it , Soto will run right through him . Once Bobby has caved in mentally it will be all Soto .

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+106 :coolclick: totally agree

I don't see this as being that difficult a fight for Soto, I don't see Bobby going the distance.

I'd like to see Soto and Barrios get some more credit, maybe they can fight each other to see who gets the winner of Paquiao Marquez.