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Where did they go wrong with Judah??
I was watching the Mystery of Zab's disco hands on the thread posted by Danny_G...( funny stuff by the way) and it got me thinking....Judah has become some what of a joke.....How did this happen??
OK he had the set back in the Tszyu fight....It can be blamed on inexperience and the fact he took Kostya lightly...something I blame more on his camp then him for not making sure he took Kostya seriously....
Then the spinks loss,,,he comes back and dominates,,,takes Baldomir lightly then loses the title,,,fights Floyd is winning the first part of the fight..a little bit of momentum change and he just breaks down throws it all away and gets suspended for the second time....
Maybe it is me but I just don't get it....
I am not a Judah fan but as a fan of boxing I know this much....
This guy had/has it all....Speed,,power,,he moves well,,when on point his defense is good ( assuming he doesn't get cocky like in the Tszyu fight and think he can't get hit)..and his chin though not granite not glass either...
When you break it down Zab has all the makings of a pound for pound great....The tools are there lokie him or hate him he has what it takes..Yet his mental make up gets him in trouble every time...Be it Arrogance or just frustration during fights he seems to break down when it is most important...
Why doesn't his team work on that?...Help build his mind set?....Help him become the fighter he has all the potential to be...
He has 5 world title in his collection,,an undisputed title,,,a ring title and some minor titles...Impressive for any fighter...yet he has the ability to do so much more...there are guys out there with a tenth of his natrual ability and who try thier asses off and are willing to do what ever it takes...
Here we have this guy throwing all that away......It pisses me off when I see such wasted talent like that...
Who do we blame for this??..his handlers??...trainers???..promoters??...for not helping him fix his attitude...or is he a case where it is hopeless to even try??
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Re: Where did they go wrong with Judah??
I really don't think there's anyone necessarily to blame. You can't train a fighter to be mentally tough, to be able to focus in the moments when the pressure is the highest, etc.
I think it's something you either have or you don't.
It's not just athletes, but people in general. Some people, when the pressure is highest, they can focus more than ever. Others crack under pressure. That's just the way it is.
Some fighters have intangibles, other don't. Zab has absolutely none. That's never going to change, in my opinion.
He's always going to be a front runner who falls apart when he's seriously challenged.
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I think Zab is to blame, he lacks heart and composure.
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Not to sound snippish...but this one's simple...
THEY did not go wrong...JUDAH is what went wrong with JUDAH.
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He lacks character. I think SOME of it can be blamed on his upbringing. The rest is just him.
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You can train as hard as anyone and be as talented as anyone, but once you step between those ropes, the real you comes out. And you can't run from the real you no matter how quick you are.
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Zab is weak mentally thats all. He lacks belief in himself when things dont go his way and does silly things. Bags of talent and ability though........Tyson was the same.
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
Not to sound snippish...but this one's simple...
THEY did not go wrong...JUDAH is what went wrong with JUDAH.
Got it right simple and plain there...spot on :coolclick:
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Zab is weak mentally thats all. He lacks belief in himself when things dont go his way and does silly things. Bags of talent and ability though........Tyson was the same.
:coolclick: Hit it right on the button.
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Originally Posted by Kel
Zab is weak mentally thats all. He lacks belief in himself when things dont go his way and does silly things. Bags of talent and ability though........Tyson was the same.
:coolclick: Hit it right on the button.
Thanks man CC back mate!
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Re: Where did they go wrong with Judah??
where did they go wrong?
hmm...his a famous boxer, thats more than any parent can say. its all him now though. he could of reach the top of tops but he got stuck to the wrongs so never got to learn the rights.
luckily for him his facing cotto next and that is another opportuninty for him to better himself. if he wants to beome a better boxer his going to need to become a better person first.
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I'd say it's his inner circle.
Look how many "soldiers" he brought with him to meanless tune up fight on ESPN2...
There are too many voices whispering in his ear and too many distractions in his day-to-day living. He has to justify everything to the crew, ya know. Prove he's still a "thug 4 life."
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Judah has no one else to blame but himself, he should have changed his team including his father ( much to close to be objective enough) He is still getting opportunities (Cotto) yet he bleats about not getting a break! He says he loves boxing and he has no intention of retiring anytime soon, if that is the case Zab get rid of all those hanger ons (did you see all those Bozo's in the ring at the Galvan fight!) find new trainers/handlers and completely start afresh because the Cotto fight might be your last chance!
I think what frustrates all of us on this forum is that we recognize his talent and it pisses most us off seeing this clown throw it all away.
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Originally Posted by THE THIRD MAN
Judah has no one else to blame but himself, he should have changed his team including his father ( much to close to be objective enough) He is still getting opportunities (Cotto) yet he bleats about not getting a break! He says he loves boxing and he has no intention of retiring anytime soon, if that is the case Zab get rid of all those hanger ons (did you see all those Bozo's in the ring at the Galvan fight!) find new trainers/handlers and completely start afresh because the Cotto fight might be your last chance!
I think what frustrates all of us on this forum is that we recognize his talent and it pisses most us off seeing this clown throw it all away.
Yeah there is no reason for that many people to be in the ring. They really should have a rule against that and enforce it. But as far as Zab he has been the same fighter his whole career and that wont change. At this point a change in his team wont do him any good.
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Originally Posted by CutMeMicK
Birth. :(
Man...thats mean... ;D
But I also think its the mental unstable thing...I call fighter like this headboxer(cause something
is wrong there...),sooner or later they have a breakdown and most of the time it smittens those
boxers,who have talent or/and power and speed...
A very strange condition...
Or maybe its the hype...people start to talk about a fighter,making them bigger than they really are
and then when the fighter doesn't life up the expectations,he becomes the laughing stock...
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Originally Posted by THE THIRD MAN
Judah has no one else to blame but himself, he should have changed his team including his father ( much to close to be objective enough) He is still getting opportunities (Cotto) yet he bleats about not getting a break! He says he loves boxing and he has no intention of retiring anytime soon, if that is the case Zab get rid of all those hanger ons (did you see all those Bozo's in the ring at the Galvan fight!) find new trainers/handlers and completely start afresh because the Cotto fight might be your last chance!
I think what frustrates all of us on this forum is that we recognize his talent and it pisses most us off seeing this clown throw it all away.
Yeah there is no reason for that many people to be in the ring. They really should have a rule against that and enforce it. But as far as Zab he has been the same fighter his whole career and that wont change. At this point a change in his team wont do him any good.
The sad thing is you're right! A change probably won't do him any good, i just hate it when fighters waste their talent.
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Zab seems to have never been taught how to deal with problems or emotions. He turns to violence. Which isn't good, even if boxing is your job.
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I dont know Zab....so I cant say that he is not mentally "tough"...I just think that he wasnt focused primarly on boxing.As for those "hanger-ons" in the ring...most fighters have them in the ring.Who cares?Anyway...he has 4 losses...his career can still be on the incline.
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we talked about this in another thread. ZAB needs to GROW UP!
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we all grow out of the thug life stage some of us mature earlier than others. for me it was about 17 or so that i stopped wanting to impress my homiez and wanted to get my assssss out of the streets of chicago!
so had i not got my act together id probably be cleaning OHARE airport right about now :-X
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Well Zabs obviously not cleaning OHARE airport...and you obviously were "acting" if you grew out of it.
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Well Zabs obviously not cleaning OHARE airport...and you obviously were "acting" if you grew out of it.
what r u saying? i think you missed the point i was trying to make in regards to the thread.
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Well Zabs obviously not cleaning OHARE airport...and you obviously were "acting" if you grew out of it.
what r u saying? i think you missed the point i was trying to make in regards to the thread.
maybe I did miss something
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Originally Posted by Olympian904
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Originally Posted by TheBESTP4P
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Originally Posted by Olympian904
Well Zabs obviously not cleaning OHARE airport...and you obviously were "acting" if you grew out of it.
what r u saying? i think you missed the point i was trying to make in regards to the thread.
maybe I did miss something
my point which i was even giving a personal reference to was that we all need to grow up at some point. i being from the mean streets of chicago, zab being from BK. thats cool and all but at some point hopefully in your adult years you come to realize. i want to be proffessional, i want a career, i want to be successful so alot of that means you stop with the thug life and u stop caring about impressing your old thug homiez etc etc.
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Originally Posted by TheBESTP4P
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Originally Posted by Olympian904
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Originally Posted by TheBESTP4P
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Originally Posted by Olympian904
Well Zabs obviously not cleaning OHARE airport...and you obviously were "acting" if you grew out of it.
what r u saying? i think you missed the point i was trying to make in regards to the thread.
maybe I did miss something
my point which i was even giving a personal reference to was that we all need to grow up at some point. i being from the mean streets of chicago, zab being from BK. thats cool and all but at some point hopefully in your adult years you come to realize. i want to be proffessional, i want a career, i want to be successful so alot of that means you stop with the thug life and u stop caring about impressing your old thug homiez etc etc.
CC
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Re: Where did they go wrong with Judah??
He basically stayed green...7 years ago he was a tremendous prospect with some bad habits. He's gotten older, but basically stayed the same fighter. Honestly, the same fighter beating Ward and Witter beat Spinks, and lost/looked shaky all those times. IDK what that says, but he hasn't grown much.
Still has fans saying "if a focused Zab" which basically mean "if Zab fills his potential", that's basically what you say about prospects. Maybe he can fix some of those habits and he could come back in a big way against Cotto, he's only 29. But if he hasn't stepped it up in the 7 years previous, I see no real reason as to why he steps it up now. And if he loses against Cotto, I think that could be his last big fight. He at least has to be competitive.
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Originally Posted by Olympian904
I dont know Zab....so I cant say that he is not mentally "tough"...I just think that he wasnt focused primarly on boxing.As for those "hanger-ons" in the ring...most fighters have them in the ring.Who cares?Anyway...he has 4 losses...his career can still be on the incline.
The trouble with Zab's "hanger-ons" is they are filling his head with shit! How many handlers do you think Oscar will have with him on the 5th? He will have his handlers and that's it. Zab needs a clean out of his team and needs to get together with a new professional trainer who may just snap him out of his brainfade.
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Amat...when I say that a "focused" Zab is a top fighter....this is what I mean.Leading up to his fight with Floyd...he was running about 9 miles a week...instead of doing a lot of sparring,he worked the mitts more than anything...and he was trying to adapt his style(rolling and parrying).
8 Days before the Kostya fight...he was down in Miami getting drunk and he hosted a big after party event before going back to "camp".
If Zab cut back on partying,stopped trying to break into the rap world,and actually put 100% into boxing...he'd definitely contend with the welters.
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Originally Posted by Olympian904
Amat...when I say that a "focused" Zab is a top fighter....this is what I mean.Leading up to his fight with Floyd...he was running about 9 miles a week...instead of doing a lot of sparring,he worked the mitts more than anything...and he was trying to adapt his style(rolling and parrying).
8 Days before the Kostya fight...he was down in Miami getting drunk and he hosted a big after party event before going back to "camp".
If Zab cut back on partying,stopped trying to break into the rap world,and actually put 100% into boxing...he'd definitely contend with the welters.
No I get what you mean, and I agree.
But...a focused Zab just isn't going to happen. Or if he was focused versus Mayweather, maybe a focused Zab doesn't cut it? And he was in Miami before the Floyd too. I think it was the Eastman - Miranda fight he was at. FNF was there and he was ringside. Just two weeks out and he had been training at Gleasons. I don't know about any partying he did or anything. But...it's Zab. I wouldn't put it past him that's for sure. Also reports came out around the time of that fight (or maybe it was the Baldomir fight) that he got into it with Busta Rhymes at the 40/40.
Anyways, I thought he looked respectable against Floyd early, but he got his will broken by a fairly light puncher. Mayweather is a concise puncher but still, 5 rounds and he shutdown. His workrate dropped, he fought more and more off the back foot and..well I don't need to tell you. The Zab that was in the ring that night wasn't a top fighter imo.
Like I said, Zab is only 29 but he has already been written off a bit and this could be his very last chance. Hopefully he realizes that. But it's always "hopefully" with Zab, and that's the problem.
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If Zab beats Cotto...I'd say that he was on the right track.If he loses...I guess he could make a fight with maybe Cintron or Malignaggi...and call it quits...or keep fighting for 90k purses.
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Here's part of Zab's interview he did the other dat on btalk, he sounds like he knows all this. I can't copy and paste so this is basically it to a question
HBO: Why do you think that sometimes you were unfocused?
ZJ:It's a God given talent. Sometimes it becomes so easy to me, that I play with it.
People don't understand, fighters go in there and work hard to try to be the greatest. But I 50 percent do what I do. I think that if I put my all into it, it's going to happen.
Im not allowed to post it all here I don't think.
But he sounds like he's going to be giving it his all in this fight
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Originally Posted by Majesty
Here's part of Zab's interview he did the other dat on btalk, he sounds like he knows all this. I can't copy and paste so this is basically it to a question
HBO: Why do you think that sometimes you were unfocused?
ZJ:It's a God given talent. Sometimes it becomes so easy to me, that I play with it.
People don't understand, fighters go in there and work hard to try to be the greatest. But I 50 percent do what I do. I think that if I put my all into it, it's going to happen.
Im not allowed to post it all here I don't think.
But he sounds like he's going to be giving it his all in this fight
Hhhhhmmm!!!
Why does this sound familiar to me?
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Originally Posted by Majesty
HBO: Why do you think that sometimes you were unfocused?
ZJ:It's a God given talent.
:lol:
Just teasin', Zab. Still got my money on ya.
