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I was just wondering if you guys thought that a Floyd win would make a massive star in boxing. I mean right now,he's pretty well known but he does not have the mainstream appeal of Oscar,Mosley etc. Will he become a true star? He certainly has the skills to become one.
As far as his legacy goes a win over Oscar at the bigger weight puts him up their with the likes of SRL imo.
No question!
It definately should do...But as far as the mainstream recognition is concerned i think it'l depend on how he wins..
I mean de la hoya is the true ppv star..
And bieng one of the stil active legends of the sport he is up there with Jones jr, hopkins etc
But they were never really big ppv stars.. They never sold em like oscar did..
So you gotta think..This fight has to impress not only us but the general public.. Its gotta be pure watchability..
But at the same time the arguement i have with myself is.. So what happens if mayweather goes out there and beats de la hoya in a truely exciting match..
Can he do as he say he will and retire..After getting all the recognition and finally having that one big exciting fight can he just call it quits and leave the game when he is stil in tip top shape and at his best healthwise, experiance wise etc..
Its interesting to compair Pbf to someone like Bernard hopkins!..
Hopkins another P4p great.. and has been in his shoes of p4p number 1..
But the difference on the surface between them is theyr attitude towards the sport..
Bernard said this is my final fight..But couldnt stay away, and it wasnt shocking because bernard can stil do the business and he may as well use it while he can and have great fights...
But i cant imagine floyd doing the same.. He can still do the business but it wouldnt suprise me one bit if he were to win, up and leave the game and never come back..
If this fight makes him a mega star..Then imo retirement would cut his legacy in half..
Hes always wanted to be recognised and uncriticised as the best, and wanted to be a ppv star..
It will be a huge waste to win big and become a giant figure in the sport and not use it to his advantage by retiring..
Tell you what...Mayweather has sold this fight single handed 8)
Disagree. He HAS tried much harder than Oscar BUT..its Oscar. You just say his name,it guarantees HUGE $$$. I don't think this one win will elevate Floyd into the company of SRL,no way.He needs more names,but it'll certainly enhance his resume much much more.Quote:
Originally Posted by Smashup
I don't think so he would need win over Sugar Shane Mosley before he gets up that far.Quote:
Originally Posted by Smashup
HBO has played this one perfectly for Floyd, I can tell you that much. Now it's up to him to fulfill their plan by beating ODLH. They've obviously set up 24/7 to hype the fight but they've given the world a chance to take a look at Floyd in another light. They could have easily played the hero (ODLH) and villian (Mayweather) but with the second show they've made it interesting. They've started showing off Floyd's insecurities, his cockiness to cover it up. He's a multidimensional personality with several people pulling at him and I think people are seeing that it's not so easy being Floyd. They've showed that he's not just some primadonna but he's that good because he works harder than anyone else. Hell, to be honest, nobody really cares about Oscar's parts. People have been talking about Mayweather, Mayweather's family, Freddie Roach, and Shane Mosley. I mean come on, they filled about four minutes taking about ODLH's hands with his hands man? That's fucking boring, gimme a fucking break. I understand that what goes on in the ring is most important but Floyd really is selling this fight. You can tell from 24/7 that HBO wants the world to see Floyd as a true personality and a true star. Floyd based off of his last three PPVs was already the second biggest earner in the sport behind ODLH, with a win, he will be a PPV star. That's why I'm hoping that Floyd not only beats Oscar but embarrasses him on this big stage.
Depends on how he wins, IMO. If he wins by decision, especially a close one, there will be no change to his image and/or ranking. If he dumps DLH on his back, now we're talking mega star territory.
NO!! cause ODLH is over the hill
What makes you say that? His age? He looked pretty good in his last fight, even if it WAS against a "Tito-damaged" Mayorga. But DLH has never been badly beaten in a fight. Hopkins' glancing liver shot actually saved DLH from some major damage had the fight gone on. Other than that, you can't compare DLH to someone like, say...... a MAB or a Gatti, when it comes down to the number of wars. So why is DLH over the hill?Quote:
Originally Posted by MR T
i disagree he looked slow and robotic in his last outing...ok so he got the win, but it wasnt the golden boy of old........Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
and for the record DLH will get his a$$ handed to him ( ill still be rooting for him) but he aint good enough anymore to beat lighting fast mayweather
What you saw as "slow and robotic", I saw as DLH knowing that Mayorga was shot, and fighting accordingly. He knew Mayorga was going to be susceptible to straight shots, and that his beating by Tito had taken a lot out of him. So he went straight at Mayorga. His punches were faster, crisper, and straighter than Mayorga's.Quote:
Originally Posted by MR T
As for your prediction, we're on opposite sides of the fence there, also. I'm rooting for a devastating Mayweather KO victory, but I'm convinced that Floyd can't hurt Oscar at 154, and that will allow Oscar to be bolder and press the action on Floyd. And whereas Floyd can't hurt Oscar at 154 (IMO), I'm pretty sure Oscar can hurt Floyd if he catches him just one time with a good hook. (I'll be hoping like hell that THAT doesn't happen).
Yes. If ya say no...ya foolin yourselfs.
Oscar is a Mega Star...if Floyd beats him...logic dictates.
Part of it depends on how he wins. If he delivers a masterful performance, he could definitely become a full-blown star.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Gamo
I disagree that Floyd doesn't have the mainstream appeal of Mosley.
Shane never became a star. Even after he beat DLH the first time and was considered by some #1 or #2 PFP, he never had a PPV fight where he was the big attraction. I believe the only times he ever was on PPV were the Oscar fights and the Vargas fights, and in both cases the opponent was the guy who was the bigger draw. Floyd has headlined the Judah and Baldomir cards, which both drew good crowds and were on PPV.
Mosley is exactly what Floyd is trying to avoid becoming..... a great boxer with no widespread appeal.
if he beats shane it puts him over srl imoQuote:
Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
your kidding..haha vey funny ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by the phenom
......you are joking........right ???
I don't think he is 8)Quote:
Originally Posted by MR T
ohh well i still had a laugh almost wet my pants ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
so phenom if pbf beats mosley and an aging DLH that in ur oppinion ranks him higher than SRL who only holds wins over marvin hagler, tommy hearns and roberto duran :-\
How many ppv has Floyd fought, I know it only started with Gatti because they didnt want to risk putting him ppv because there was so little interest with him, they needed Gatti to sell it.Quote:
Originally Posted by albsur2006
How is Floyd above Tyson, Trinidad or Mosely for top earners
pbf is already a star is his own rights and especially to his estranged fans(im gonna get bashed for this one) it really depends on how he beats odlh.. if he beats odlh fighting not the usual running that he does then he gets a lot of respects especially from odlh fans.. shoot he even gets my thumbs up.
SRL fought and beat some of the greatest fighters to ever live. Ive never been a big SRL fan but floyd,even if he beats ODLH, has done far less imo. Prime Leonard never hand picked fights.
just say no!
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
People are tuning in to see PBF chatting shit and flicking the speed ball one handed while grinning at the camera etc,he's bringing the bling factor with 50 cent alongside him as the wise DLH chills at home,quietly confident.
My neices and nephews love Mayweathers way ;)
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Originally Posted by MR T
srl holds a "win" over marvin hagler and a "win" in the second tommy figh sorry thas 3 ppl some of which were robbed adn yeah he beat tommy big up to him hes a legend but if u really look at it he isnt to be compared to toher legends ........ castillo is a fighter to be considred espeacially if he beats hatton ande mosely is one of the best of his generation ..... a legend who beat oscar 2 times so if floyd beat castillo alreday and if he beats oscar and mosely wat sais he shouldnt be considred greater? ....
amean afcourse thas my opinion cuz i never realy understood why ppl praise him so much
It definitely will make him a mega-star...he is already real close to that level.
As for needing a win over Mosley...Mosley needs to beat someone good...before a Mayweather fight will be put togethter.
Correction; SRL holds a robbery over Marvin Hagler, not a win, just thought I'd clarify that for you. Have a nice day 8)Quote:
Originally Posted by MR T
Don't see what the fuss is about SRL. He was a punk. Duran beat him, and he got a gift against Hagler. And, he ducked Pryor badly, who would have taken it to him. And he did hand pick alot of his opponents. Great fighter, but no different than some of the fighters today. F-SRL.
Yes it puts him in the megastar level but not that high, unless he stops Oscar. Although to put him in the SRL level he has to take a good fighter like Oscar or Shane and stop him. Ray Leonard made Duran quit and stopped Hearns at welterweight. And stopped Benitez, With that track record you are a megastar. Floyd just beating Oscar does not make him a true megastar. It did not make Hopkins a megastar, although Oscar was moving up. Floyd has to stop Oscar and he is in great company.
Floyd is on the cover of a TON of magazines this week. Unlike Mosley and virtually everyone else, including RJJ, Floyd is a top P4P guy with a ton of boxing skills but even a better self promoter. He's out there. He's on ESPN with Brian Kenny, he's in GQ magazine, he's on the cover of ESPN the magazine this week, he's making the late night show rounds, a Jim Rome correspondent ect. And this is just stuff I know of. Oscar is such a crossover star because he has that crossover appeal and the way you get that is putting yourself out there, Mayweather does that. Just being in the fight alone will make him a star, winning and winning in style could make him one of the biggest sports stars in America and I'm not kidding about that.
Look at boxing as a whole.
Compare Floyd's record to others.
...with no hate in your heart.
Lood at Oscar & his career...
Ask that question again.
The answer is YES.
Floyd has wanted Oscar for over 2 - 3 years now...he's worked hard to get it...YES...he is now & will be a Mega Stah!
I think having a keen sharp mouth like Floyd does have, helps a fighter get recognition and press, and if he can back it up with a good win that is the key. Floyd is clever and he says some funny things and he is truthful in his ego. A man who is undefeated can say he is the best and believe it, and he does. Ali made his mouth his biggest asset, yet the fists have to back up the mouth and they did in that case also as was the case with SRL. A fighter who was exceptionally good but did not have the attitude to get people interested was Mike McCallum. A good fighter, had he demanded fights with Hagler or Hearns and made it more interesting by calling them out, he might have gotten people to recognize him and demand those fights. But he did not, and the guys Hagler/Hearns/Leonard/Duran-those 4 guys had a party and did not invite Mike.. And the fact is he will never be recognized like they will be just because they fought each other. I think in Mike's case the attitude hurt him. And he was too good for his own good for them to just fight him. But Floyd is not a megastar yet.. And to say this fight will absolutely make him like Sugar Ray Leonard? yeah he will be known, but he will not probably be like Ray yet. I thought about this for a few hours now and I am not sure beating Mosley and Delahoya does it. He needs to beat a guy who is now like Jermaine Taylor. Ray Leonard had a unique situation. If you have guys like Wilfred Benitez, Thomas Hearns, Roberto Duran to fight in your era and you beat them all, that does alot for your image. Oscar Delahoya was stopped by Bernard Hopkins and beaten by Tito (maybe a bad decision but on paper he lost), and he lost to Mosley twice. So you do not have this undefeated Delahoya vs. undefeated Mayweather. Oscar is damaged goods but he has the name. If Floyd wins it makes him the biggest guy in boxing now, what that means who knows. Boxing is not doing so great now..
But you don't think that just beating Oscar makes him a mega star though right Wack? I mean, a lot of people saw Sturm beat De La Hoya. Even more saw Mosley beat him. Twice. Hopkins benefited a lot but he is a guy who really hit the press trail after his win.
The short answer would be no, a win would not make him a MEGA star. PBF doesnt have the personallity to become a cross over star.
thanx for clarifying that ridiculous staement you just made :-\ there was no robbery hagler lost the first 4 rds easy.....have nice day 8)Quote:
Originally Posted by smashcrusher
Yeah but then whats all this Floyd saying "This will be my last fight" if its the fight that would give him that wide spread appeal that he could earn with a victory ???
no different to pbf? how do you think pbf would fair against duran, hagler , and hearns? and im sick of peeps saying hagler was robbed, it was a good win for leonard who was a welter and hadnt been in ring for 3 yrs......it would have been more contraversial if hagler got the decision....leonard won by 1-2 rds easy.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Unknowndonor
Mr T. lets say Hagler won that decision on April 7, 1987. People would have been completely shocked. Ray won most of those rounds. Ray came to fight and beat great fighters. Something Delahoya or Mosley have not done in the same fashion.
Uhh Leonard hadn't fought in 3 years when he fought Hagler and was way above his natural weight and still won i don't care how many people say it was robbery it wasn't it could of gone either way and Leonard won Leonard had draw vs Hearns in 2nd fight by the way and he had Hearns staggering around ring loads of times fair play i think Leonard lost aswell but Hearns just had Leonard's number over 12 rounds like Forrest had Mosley's number and if Castillo beats Hatton and Mosley ?? just wait and see bud because i doubt he will beat Hatton let alone beat Mosley.Quote:
Originally Posted by the phenom
And your talking about two many ifs say Castillo gets brutally koed by Hatton early then what ??? you see what im saying you can't say ifs just wait and see after Hatton fight first.
And for record out of all these decisions only one i think Leonard lost is against Hearns and that was gift but what about Mayweather's gift over Castillo aswell ??
Duran beat him then Leonard schooled him twice he won a decision against Hagler and if Hagler would of got decision people would be saying samething now about Haglers gift i don't know about Pryor taking it to Leonard at Welterweight Pryor is one of my most favorite fighters but he is sloppy sometimes and Leonard could take advantage of that name one hand picked fighter Leonard ever chose ??Quote:
Originally Posted by Unknowndonor
exactly my point ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by LegendBoxing65