But your heart says.............................................
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But your heart says.............................................
If your heart says something else why do you know you're done?
In so many other sports it's accepted to come back from injury etc and continue to compete so why should boxing be different?
Obviously you need to be careful and get more and more careful as time goes on to ensure you're not worsening and injury and keep healthy but needing to go easy for a while shouldn't always mean quitting.
What does done mean anyway?
Done with competing only or training too?
One of my coaches always infers that I might be done because I've injured my knee. Really annoys me because i've decided I've got about 8 years left and I'm sure my knee will recover by then!!!
Problem is the local boxing coaches in my gym had short careers as they quit when injured. One only had 3 fights and another had 6 fights. It plays on my mind a bit sometimes to know I've had more fights than them.
I think when some people quit and are ever after wondering "what if I'd kept going?" they don't want to see other people recover and go on because they then regret what they didn't do more.
I empathize with them though. So much more is known now about how to train without injuring yourself and how to treat injuries they'd be thinking "if only someone told me that" or "if only that physio was here when I hurt myself". I'd hate it too.
you're only done when somebody throws you into a 6 foot deep hole and starts shoveling dirt on you. There's a guy at my gym who is 58 yrs old and lost both legs in Vietnam. He does an hour of cardio on the treadmill or elliptical machine with artificial legs. Then he lifts for about 45 minutes. He's a good inspiration when I think I'm to old and/or tired to do my boxing workout.
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CC to canvas
Just some days when Im dealing with two bum wheels and a bad wrist,I find myself thinking I should know better
But I still allways feel I can go,I just cant help myself,I allways think I can win,no matter what the evidence is
Yep. I know its not boxing but we've just had a 67 yeard old fella join our Judo dojo.
I respect people like that. I'm 56 and are real self conscious about me being the oldest person in a boxing or bjj class. I keep myself in pretty good shape, but the self consciousness of being one of the older guys in the class is sometimes a big hurdle for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Munky
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An old pug,and a new one
I still think I can win,I dont know how else to think,no matter my age
Maybe you still win just as much whether it's doing the same thing or different things.
Looks from your picture you've got more than just your boxing achievements and boxing related roles to be proud of.
I really can't tell your age or what type of injuries you have so maybe this is a silly thing to say but.......
Maybe if you still feel so strongly about it you should wait until you've had at least a year or 1.5 years to completely recover before you start thinking in terms of permanent restrictions on what you can or can't do?
Hopefully that would be enough time for you to recover from your injuries and correct any underlying or consequential weaknesses or tightnesses you have as much as possible so you know exactly what you are physically capable of.
Dealing with being injured is harder psychologically than I ever expected it to be though! I think it does become part of your identity to train a lot and it's hard even just to cut down.
Out of all the people I know personally there are some old guys in their 60s to 80s in my local running club that admire the most. Some of them have run or walk run every Adelaide marathon ever held. Some of them are still running between chemotherapy treatments for prostate cancer. They have all recovered from or still manage injuries from running. They are not the fastest runners anymore but they are inspirational, they still keep some of the younger runners honest and push the beginners hard and always keep the rest of us on track.
Canvas is right some people are so inspirational by example that they have an effect on other people they are not even fully aware of. (CC Canvas) I remember one of the guys was asked why he still runs - he said all his friends are dead and it's doing whatever he can do that keeps him going and he's not about to give up on life and die like his friends did.
The same guy, his wife and his daughter were all struck down by chronic fatigue. His wife was in a wheelchair for ten years and he had it badly enough to not be able to do any physical activity for years aswell. No one could ever say he had it easy but they all recovered eventually and are running today well enough to put many half their age to shame.
These people are not famous but as far as I'm concerned they are winners more so than most famous athletes.
This may seem childish
I still think I have one,just one,great fight left in me
Im going back in to training to get it,I cant help myself,I want to feel my arm raised one more time,and damnit,Im going to get it
Good Luck :) Really I don't think it's childish. I guess now at least you have enough experience to train more effectively than you did when you started and you know how to not repeat past mistakes you've made.
For instance,taping your ankles,and having to shave,doesnt look nearly as bad as lying on the ground grabbing your ankle and writhing in pain.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sharla
My former Sensei whose in his 50's came off of numerous back surgeries,and bronchitis,to start teaching again,and finish the Long Island Marathon last week
I blame him ;D
Not for nothing though
I freaking hate shaving my ankles so they can be taped,the damn hair had finally grown back all the way >:mad
Sensei? What art have you trained in? (if you don't mind me asking)Quote:
Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey
Ed Parker Ken-PoQuote:
Originally Posted by Munky
Thank you BTW for editing,I have no idea why it did that
Its good to get in to sparring again
Especially without a head piece
You know what pain feels like again
When in the hell did I become a body puncher??????
You think your style has changed a bit since you were last able to train and spar?
I've read a lot about how visualization can help you learn things without actually doing them very much sometimes.
Did you watch a lot of boxing with good body punchers during your down time? :)
I'd like to think my skills are suddenly better when I get back into it but I'm not holding my breath :)
NawQuote:
Originally Posted by Sharla
Whats happened,and I should have expected this,I trained as a Philly fighter,lots of clinching,lots of body shots,but in my heyday,I could explode,so I lived off of jab explode,and then throw my power.
The legs today were giving me a big middle finger,they just couldnt,so I reverted to a Philly fighter,it took two shots I walked in to to make me do the work I needed to do,rather then relive the old days,but I did do it.
I thought I had a good reply to this but worked late last night and brain can't function properly today -
Basically I know what you mean and I think it's just a strange feeling to be retraining your body to do something you are mentally familiar but at least means you get it back a lot faster than you learnt it.
Good pointQuote:
Originally Posted by Sharla
At least it was still sitting there for me to revert to,rather then not having a plan B
My body had the good sense to take over,my ego and brain be damned
Progress report
Through all the pain,this is starting to get good to me.Id actually recomend it,for trainers who think they have a little gas left.
Im remembering what its like having a routine,and I think that might make me a better trainer,I have a better understanding of what my fighters going through
Though I will say its very weird to have a fighter I trained,who is notorious for dropping hands,barking at me about dropping my hands when Im working the heavy bag.I had to meticulously explain that,yes one time I did indeed get tired and drop them both,but the other two times I had thrown alot of jabs so I switched guards so my jab arm could recuperate,but I was still in guard
I had good session last night. My right cross left me about a year and a half ago - just lost power for no good reason - last night it came back!
So so so happy! :) :) :)
I think I must have been training and eating incorrectly for a while before I injured myself. Having had forced time to think about what I should be doing and getting some very good advice from other people is paying off.
Nice feeling :) I had lost my power but learnt to move so I could still be competitive and now I have both :)
Am a bit out of condition though - have been dropping my hands too much out of tiredness :-[ :)