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Well apparently fuel CAN melt steel (the rebar is made of steel)....and concrete......how do you explain that??? Did George W. Bush plant explosives there too??? I know it was in California and everything but I highly doubt that.
You can still smell the burning as you walk by it...traffic today was a nightmare my dad had to go through it.
Lyle YOU KNOW deep down that your Wanky goverment took those towers down themselves ;)
;D
Shame on them
This really fucks me off !
The conspiracy was hatched by the 19 hijackers everything that has since been written by the Bedroom fantasist's/conspiracy Theorists has been denounced and proven to be Ignorant and false !
Hitler said no matter how great the lie tell enough gullible tossers enough of the time and soon they'll start to believe it !!
Loose Change was exposed for what it was and the other champions of the conspiracy movement like Alex James are not so vocal when confronted with the facts on what really happened on that terrible day !!
What the fuck did Alex James know about the behaviour of steel understress and heat or the response times of F16's or the scattering of debris when a Jet crashes out of the Sky BEFORE 9/11..........?!
I'd hazard a wild guess and say that complete fucking tosser is not qualified to talk on any of those subjects !!
It's horrible what a lack of knowledge can do !!!
It seems all you need today is a trumpet and a box to stand on and people will listen to any amount of bullshit !!!
Falsehood,lies and conspiracy theory's led to 9/11 .
Those 19 hijackers were fed on those very lies !!!
I'm not going into the who's the how's and the when's but all ill say is this !
If America wanted to start a war in the middle east and wanted a 9/11 style event do you really think they'd leave themselves open too all this propaganda ?
The CIA and the State Department have engineered enough Coups around the world to know something this big and bold could never be pulled off without somebody getting to the bottom of it !!!
Its hard enough to keep a secret between 2 people let alone 50-60-100 !!
Get real !!!
Read this part again ;D
"Hitler said no matter how great the lie tell enough gullible tossers enough of the time and soon they'll start to believe it !!"
Game over ;)
ok here's the thing. He slammed a plastic ship up against rounded off ice cubes. The titanic hit a jagged ice berg. If you dont think ice can be sharp run a 5 inch thick sharped edge around your neck. The shear size of the iceberg would give the side of it an equally as tough resistance as metal. Metal and ice may have different melting points but at freezing point a huge chunk of ice and be almost as tough as a piece of metal. As for the viking warships bs, viking warships were made of wood but moved no where near as fast as the titanic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oggie
From a physics standpoint, A very heavyship slamming into a very heavy object at a significant speed = a massive amount of kinetic energy exchanged which would be sufficient to rip a whole thru a side of metal. Also a key design flaw of the ship itself is that it didn't have cielings to its flood chambers. if they would've included a two inch think steel ceiling to each floor chamber it wouldn't of sank.
Now the 9/11 theory im 100% certain that it was not caused by bombs it was indeed caused by planes. Wether the government was behind it or not i dunno they do some shady shit so you can believe what you want. But re-watch the video of the crashes. The tower that is hit first (on a very high floor) remains standing for about 1 1/4 hours while the one that was hit later (and approx. in the middle of the building) goes down before the first one does. The heat of the flames weakens the steel in both cases. With the second one that was hit, because the steel being weakened is in the middle of the building theres more stress on that metal therefor it cant maintain as much weight and would take less weakening to collapse than the first building that was hit on a higher floor.
I think the Titanic thing is meant to be a bit tongue in cheek :-\
after hearing what some people have said in the world i would not doubt that somebody somewhere is trying to push the issue with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Munky
Man, are you serious? ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Punisher136
The Titanic thing was a parody of all the conspiracy theory videos that are flooding the web right now, haha.
well i just figured i throw in the facts incase someone actually thought it was real.... :-[Quote:
Originally Posted by Oggie
Here is a video of a conspiracy theorist getting schooled at ground zero. ;D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDOuvCDuB2w
"What about the thousands of gallons of fuel that were pouring down from there?"
"What fuel? From where?"
Hahahaha. ;D
cc lol thats classic.
Haha, you know your physics.Quote:
Originally Posted by Punisher136
Like you said though, it would not surprise me if someone saw that video and actually started researching, leading to a website titled www.thetitanictruth.org or something. ;D
Did anyone see the South Park episode were Cartman comes up with a conspiracy theory to prove that Kyle was behind 9/11? Classic!
CC back man!Quote:
Originally Posted by Punisher136
I love his reaction when the guy starts telling him that the third most used material in the construction of the two towers was sulphuric dry wall... it is like he is saying to himself; "I'm screwed", haha.
yeah i saw that. when i first started watching south park i thought it was just the most over the top thing in the world now when i watch it i pick up on a bunch of political things they throw in there. Like the sensitivity episode where they take the kids to a museum of stereotypes and say that you should accept people for who they are then when they go outside they harrass a smoker.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oggie
100% agreed!
South Park is so much more intelligent than lots of people give it credit for. Some people consider it toilet humour with no meaning, but they couldn't be further from the truth. Almost every episode during the last few series' has had an underlying message hidden behind the brilliant comedy. In terms of satire, South Park is one of the best shows you will find on TV in my opinion. 8)
heck yes my good man. good shout. not only is south park fookin hilarious, but it also contains loads of little political snipits. i liked the de vinci code piss take episode they had recently about the easter conspiracy. quality stuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oggie
and with the whole 9/11 conspiracy. it's all a bit too much like a tom clancy book for my liking. if the US wanted a reason to go to war in the middle east again then they would come up with something a lot less disasterous on their own behalf. but now the moon landing thing.... thats a different story ;D
p.s who shot JFK again???
A point people always seem to miss is that the steel didn't have to be heated to the point where it was 100% liquefied either...
even a small weakening in the steel can cause structural failure
see the problem is adam that most of these conspiracy theorists only know the effects of fire when its applied to marijuana ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by AdamGB
i'd believe the easter one before the movie one. Seriously tho wtf is up with that hat?Quote:
Originally Posted by jbirdy
Thank fuck for that !!Quote:
Originally Posted by Oggie
I went back and read all the replys on this board after the video and realised that the Video was a Pisstake !!
When the voice said The Titanic had a replica built at the same time i was shouting at the screen ' their called sister ships you stupid cunt '' then up came his reenactment and i realised he was Mel Brooking our azz.
Quality stuff !!
Loved the guy at Ground Zero standing the retarted old man on his head !!
Have you seen Loose change where they try to imply that explosions bought the building down ? Right before thebuildings come down 'squibs' areseen to explode here and here ........i was shouting at the TV making a complete prick of myself even more disturbing for the people around me is i start conversations with myself right about the same time .
Oggie i don't know if you are in the Uk but the BBC ran a series called the Conspiracy Files and totally stood Dylan Avery on his head and debunked most of the conspiracys .
Here's the website not the same without the show and tell .
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programme...es/6341851.stm
Hey man,Quote:
Originally Posted by Swashbuckling Gordy
I live in Ireland but we've got all the UK channels on Sky... I think I remember seeing 'Conspiracy Files'... it was on after 'Top Gear' on Sunday's, right? If that is the program you mean, I saw it and loved it. ;)
Remember the presenter going to a 9/11 conspiracy theorist gathering and as he left, he said something along these lines to the camera; "One thing I have noticed with conspiracy theorists is that they all have a product to sell at these little events... DVD's, CD's, books, clothing etc... makes you think, doesn't it?"
Haha, my conspiracy theory is that these theorists are all in it together to make a quick buck and ride the wave of unpopularity that is currently breaking on the US goverment. :detective:
its a conspiracy!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Oggie
uhhh now i have to go get the picture :(
Oggie you sound like the kinda bloke i'd buy a pint of Guiness!!
You even like Top Gear you are a sound individual don't for God sake spoil it by telling me you support Man United !
That little Prick Dylan Avery has managed to Misquote just about everybody on the planet and sell this lie to the American public and the whole world !!
The Icing on the cake was when that silly prick was going on about Debris fields and how the scattering of the downed 737 in Pennslyvania proved that it was in fact shot down !
The furthest scattering of debris was proved to be less than a mile a way !!
The whole basis of conspiracy theory was that the airliner had in fact been shotdown because Debris was found over 7 miles away !!
Actually from the crashsite it was 7 miles away by road because its pretty hard to drive a car across a lake in the Late Summer without some serious adaptation that'll send your insurance through the roof or some devine intervention !!
We have some stupid cunt to thank for managing to enter the data on his SatNav correctly somebody who never ever visited the crashsite .
Talk about a house of rainweakened straw.
I wish them a slow and painful death against Milan tonight at the San Siro man. Kaka' again to show Ronaldo what a big match player truly is. 8) Haha.Quote:
Originally Posted by Swashbuckling Gordy
You're so right about that Dylan Avery twat, people like him really get under my skin. I think the greatest proof that everything he says is bull is the fact that he is alive today. ;)
If the US goverment could so effortlessly kill over 2,000 people, why wouldn't they just take him out too? What is one more person to them, especially if it ensures the success of their 'conspiracy'? Then they wouldn't have to deal with all of this crap that he and his little no life friends are throwing at them. Think about it! ;)
:coolclick: in 24.Quote:
Originally Posted by Punisher136
Love that pic, haha.
I'm not for or against the conspiracy.Quote:
Originally Posted by jbirdy
But you can't use that as an argument.
Because the US government has planned attacks on their own nation in the past. Officially documented. The government doesn't even deny these. (Wikipedia "Operation Northwoods")
So it's not inconceivable for them to attack their own nation as pretext for war.
I'm not saying that's what they did with 9/11 though. Just saying you can't use that as an argument against it. It happens.
I watched the loose change vid and although it is convincing I dont think the towers were demolished by explosives. It is a bit strange that other buildings have burned for 23 hours and not failed though. Then again I don't know shit about structures and their limits/tolerances to heat.
I remember spending one night watching loads of 9/11 videos on youtube and by the time I was done I just felt totally confused. It's still as shocking to watch too.
Hitler used the word tosser?Quote:
Originally Posted by Smashup
TOSHHAQuote:
Originally Posted by boozeboxer
....well it might sound like that
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Originally Posted by Kel
Yeah if he's played by Sean Connery .... :laugh:
#1 When specifically did the US attack itself?...the only example I can think of would be The USS Maine (which started the Spanish-American War) and there are doubts about what caused that too, I just think it was an accident but was used as propaganda anyways.Quote:
Originally Posted by meowza
#2 Do you think that they would attack themselves on such a large scale?
I for one don't think they would.....as Eric Cartman says "It's not my fault Iraqi's(I'll switch Iraqi out for Islamic Terrorist) are full of hate"!
this is a different country now. Everything is run by special interest groups and nothing will be done that might make someones anual profit go down alittle bit. If they can screw over 10 million americans to make an extra dollar a year they will do it.
That being said I feel that American's freedoms are in more jeopardy because of this!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Punisher136
Guns, religion, freedom of speech.....it's ridiculous
Also we are being lied to on a scale which we have never seen before, NEWS isn't NEWS anymore it's shocking, entertainment, and it's agenda driven because of these little special intrest groups!
What happened to being together, being American, and getting things done that are good for the American people.....but no the two parties fight each other and everyone loses! I only side with the Republicans because they are better for me as an American citizen.
i side with no political group beause they are all wrong.
well if the libertarians were able to gain a foothold I like them the most
They did plan on attacking their own in the past.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
But the Kennedy administration outright rejected the plan.
The documents were revealed during the Kennedy assassination investigation.
What's to say that just because the Kennedy adminstration rejected government sponsored terrorism in the past, that the Bush administration would do the same?
I'm not saying I believe in the conspiracy, mind you.
If I had to answer yes or no, I would say no I don't believe 9/11 was a conspiracy.
Loose Change is garbage with severely skewed "scientific" facts.
And if it was a conspiracy, I would suspect the government would've tried to make Iraq and Hussein directly responsible for it.
All I said was that people can't use, "The government wouldn't attack their own people" as an argument. Former Joint Cheifs of Staff Lyman Lemnitzer thought it was a good idea. Kennedy didn't. Thank god for that. There are just much better arguments against the conspiracy.
cc for your passion in the subject though Lyle.
These are always interesting reads.