Had a topic that was about fighters who didnt retire when they should have.
How about those that did.
Two spring to mind.
Prince naseem and kostya tszyu, both realised their time was up, and hopefully both dont make comebacks.
Who else?
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Had a topic that was about fighters who didnt retire when they should have.
How about those that did.
Two spring to mind.
Prince naseem and kostya tszyu, both realised their time was up, and hopefully both dont make comebacks.
Who else?
Marciano, obvious one lol :P but I can't think of any more just now
Lennox
Yeah was just about to edit my post with that ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by 'The Boxer'
Tito ;)
Probably should have retired before Wright.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheBESTP4P
Lennox Lewis of course. Interesting note. I read a Boston Globe article today from 1994 from writer Ron Borges (great writer, don't know what this plagiarism deal is about) and Lewis was labeled a bust. Manny Steward basically trashed him as a no hoper and the article talked about what could have been. What a difference 10 years makes. Makes me wonder about Audley...because a lot of those criticisms he go were the same ones Audley gets. He just wasn't so old.
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"Coming out of the '88 Games, I thought he was the prize fighter," Steward said several days before he sent his latest charge, McCall, into the ring at Wembley Arena to challenge Lewis, whom he beat via TKO 31 seconds into the second round to become the new World Boxing Council champion. "But he has not progressed at all to the degree he should. In fact, he's regressed.
"He's a name fighter now because he was handed a championship by the WBC, but no one's excited about him being a great fighter or a great puncher or a great boxer. He's gone backward in every way."
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Not trying to shift the topic but Steward said this before the McCall loss. Kind of shocking to read.
'Finito' Lopez
Tunney
'Chiquita' Gonzalez
Zaragoza
Monzon
Collins
Besides Marciano and Lennox I would say Marvin Hagler.
yeah but those right guard commercials will forever LIVE ON! ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by the wiz
Lennox before those big Russians knocked his block right off!
Naww i dont know... even after coming back to beat mayorga.. His legacy was still in tact...Quote:
Originally Posted by eagle
And even with two losses he is still an atg..
I mean loosing to Bhop and winky is not exactly shameful.. Two undisputed pound for pound greats!
Lennox stands out to me because he retired on top as champ
Sven Ottke ::**
Lennox Lewis
Rocky Marciano
Marvin Hagler
maybe...still wish he would have gotten a rematch with leonard.....Quote:
Originally Posted by the wiz
He tried for a year.Quote:
Originally Posted by THE Bigragu
Then apparently out of the blue, Leonards people contacted him.
AFTER 4 YEARS!
anyone who retires before they take a beating which is tied to getting older retired at the right time. Hagler, Lennox,McGuigan,Tito, Hopkins would have retired at a great time after Tarver.. But he had to comeback, and that is why the Wright fight is really the Wrong fight. Do not mean to be Larry Merchant there.
I think my man Bhop is gona suprise you bro ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by LegendBoxing65
LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by THE THIRD MAN
Marvin Hagler. Even though he did go out on a sour note, he still went out with that aura of invincibility that he had. Never stopped, never knocked down, with his last fight being very controversial. I'm glad he went out that way, rather than him getting old and getting stopped by subpar opposition, and going out that way.
Yep Lennox, Hagler and Marciano
Wouldn't say Hamed went at right time - I think his career short changed us boxing fans :-\
Hagler, Lewis, Rosenblat, Van Horn and Quiroga
True... If anything I'd say Naz retired too early.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark TKO
exactly......Hagler was robbed twice!!!! in the fight and then by not getting a chance for a rematch!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimboogie
bravo :appl:Quote:
Originally Posted by THE THIRD MAN
Maybe - but Lennox still has a TKO victory over one of them - better fighter of the two- on his record ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by THE THIRD MAN
Dariusz Michalczewski...lost his first fight after 48 wins against Julio Cesar Gonzalez...
then after 16 month gives it another try against Fabrice Tiozzo, gets knocked out and
says "Thats it..." ;) ...
Still great career...nearly ten years champion 50 fights 48 wins...
I liked Dariusz...
Btw he honest enough to say that for 10 million euro he would step into the ring again... ;D
He really did...
Tito. I would like to think you are right. But Hopkins is 42 years old and for a guy below heavyweight that is very old. The thing which is in his favor is that Wright has been fighting for years and he might be a little diminished.
I think we're up for seeing a great fight in hopkins - winkyQuote:
Originally Posted by LegendBoxing65
Bieng 42 and bieng bernard hopkins isnt the same as bieng 34 and bieng someone like arturo gatti..
I cant think of an occasion in which bernard has truely got hit hard..
He's a defensive great..Even james toney who is or at least was a defensive god has been hit flush with giant heavyweight shots..(Lucky for him toney has a chin of steel)
But i really cannot think of a time when hopkins has taken a beating..
He has trained like its religion for what seems like forever.. His work ethic is only matched by few people Pbf for one..
If you catch my drift he's a young 42..The way in which he boxed and took apart his opponents in his biggest fights is the thing thats saved his youth..
Come fight night there will be no excuses for either fighter..I truely beleieve this..
Whether winky win or Bhop win..You couldnt take a thing away from either guy
Peace
The thing about Hopkins is that he said before his mother died, he swore to her that he would not box past the age of 40. He made it very clear that his word meant everything (expecially to his mother), and if he started going back on his word he wouldn't be a real man.
As a boxing fan and as a fan of Hopkin's, it is cool to still see him around because obviously he is not the average 42 year old, he has aged incredibly well, but for him to break his promise to his mother even though he swore he wouldn't... that's pretty bad imo.
Joe Calzaghe-
Took on & beat up the undefeated IBF champ in Jeff Lacy. Took on Undefeated Kessler & grabbed 3 belts. Vindicated in his points win when Bhop went on to prove he had a lot left, just not enough for Calzaghe.
Andre Ward, Carl Froch, Jean Pascal, Jermaine Taylor all were coming into their own around Y2k8, but hadn't prove it to be worth him sticking around.
I think he could've beaten all except Ward, I could envision an ugly draw, which would've left question marks, just left at a great time and actually stayed retired.
Carl Froch,
Robin Reid, Jean Pascal, Jermain Taylor, Arthur Abraham, Glen Johnson, Lucian Bute, Andre Ward, Mikkel Kessler This resume is mas macho! Father time creeping up, shows possible passing of the guard when he rematches George Groves & SPARKED HIM!
No better way to retire!
Rocky as he was showing signs of age but would have lost his next fight.
Hagler sticking two fingers at the boxing world for not appreciating his greatness and leaving Leonard hanging.
Ricardo Lopez clears up his draw on his record to win and ride off into the sunset.
Just reading the opening post, I don't agree with the choice of Naseem.
To leave like that, after being humiliated by MAB in the worst way (made ME a fan of Barrera :D )........ especially when he hadn't taken hardly ANY prior punishment in the ring.
It's not like he was worn out from a zillion wars in the ring. He had been dominant and was relatively unscathed.
Then.... to suffer an embarrassing loss like that and not even make an attempt to make amends..... no..... I don't think he retired at the right time.
Naz won his last fight but was booed by fans. He seemed to have nothing left to get back to the top again.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterNaz won his last fight but was booed by fans. He seemed to have nothing left to get back to the top again.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
Then two things:
One, he crashed and burned rather quickly. Most of the time with boxers, the decline is gradual.... even if it appears to show up in any one fight.
Two, he had a fragile mentality. Once someone bullied him back and shoved his bravado right back at him, he mentally crumbled.
Huge talent... low on mental fortitude.
You are probably right on both issues.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterNaz won his last fight but was booed by fans. He seemed to have nothing left to get back to the top again.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
Then two things:
One, he crashed and burned rather quickly. Most of the time with boxers, the decline is gradual.... even if it appears to show up in any one fight.
Two, he had a fragile mentality. Once someone bullied him back and shoved his bravado right back at him, he mentally crumbled.
Huge talent... low on mental fortitude.
Rocky had 2 or 3 good fights left in him. Nino Valdez was scheduled for June/July 1956, and Rocky would have beaten him. Liston was in jail. Patterson was 20 years old. Who was left? Eddie Machen?Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
I read that his back injury was the reason why he retired at the time he did.Quote:
Originally Posted by NoSavingByTheBellRocky had 2 or 3 good fights left in him. Nino Valdez was scheduled for June/July 1956, and Rocky would have beaten him. Liston was in jail. Patterson was 20 years old. Who was left? Eddie Machen?Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Yes I read the same thing a couple of times. I think Archie Moore ruined Marciano's back, because Archie Moore was probably the most skilled boxer that he ever faced and I believe he made Marciano miss 75% of his punches. Marciano threw 800 punches that night which were pretty much all power punches. If he missed 600 punches, it's no wonder that he threw out his back and ruined his back. If this is the case then Archie Moore ended Marciano's career.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterI read that his back injury was the reason why he retired at the time he did.Quote:
Originally Posted by NoSavingByTheBellRocky had 2 or 3 good fights left in him. Nino Valdez was scheduled for June/July 1956, and Rocky would have beaten him. Liston was in jail. Patterson was 20 years old. Who was left? Eddie Machen?Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
I can believe it because I don't know how a guy can crouch down sideways like Marciano did for the entire fight throwing bomb after bomb after bomb with all his might and all his power behind it without completely destroying his back.
Looking back through the thread, I can't agree with Hagler either.
C'mon! He loses a decision to Leonard and just walks away? Ok so he may have tried to get a rematch and wasn't able to. He should've tried harder. Called Leonard out. No way Hagler fights the same stupid fight he fought the first time around.
That must've left such a BAD TASTE in Hagler's mouth. Leonard was and ATG, and maybe even TBE in my book... but his reign wasn't middleweight. That was Hagler's domain. For Leonard to take that away from him had to sting like hell.
Especially when Hagler had already dismantled the fearsome Hearns in 3 rounds. Where the hell was THAT Hagler against Leonard?
No... Hagler didn't retire at the right time.