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Prime for prime, Pound for pound of this Generation
Basically..Forget at which time they were prime etc.. Prime fighters.. Not all time list..
Just the general generation of Mid 90's or so onwards onwards!
Also its not a particular rule..But mine are mostly consisting of the lighter or middle weight classes..
Its not that heavyweights etc dont contend as p4p greats..Just hard to fit them in against such great competition.. and difficult to judge if they would be as great if not for theyr size and punching skill..
They are great as heavyweights..But would they be great at middleweight or lightweight?.. Weird question..
1. Pretty Boy Floyd. I dont like it..But he is undefeated as of this moment and is a greatly skilled fighter and multi weight world champ.
2.Roy Jones Jr. A four division champion with undoubted skill.. Did not become a great Ppv star due to lack of opponents in the light heavyweight division once he couldnt make below 175.. But undoubtedly one of the most skilled fighters to ever step foot in the ring..
3. Pac.. A great fighter, role model, Fights the best and beats them.. Exciting fighter with everything going for him..
4.Bernard Hopkins. The Former Undisputed Middleweight champ, superb fighter.. Entertaining and controversial man.. Only dethroned by another great fighter in close maybe controversial fights..
5.Winky Wright.. Perhaps one of the most ducked fighters of a generation..
His skill and will to fight the very best speaks for itself.. a real fighters fighter.
6.Oscar De la Hoya. 6 weight classes and 9 world titles i believe he has earned..
A truely great, skillful fighter always fighting the best to this day and still considered a huge challenge to the best.
7.Marco Antonio Barrera. He has enjoyed a long and full career with legendary fights against legendary fighters .. always entertaining and has risen to his feet many a time when close to defeat..
8. James Toney. A tremendously skilled fighter who i beleive should be considered an all time great but has had so many missed opportunities to capitalise on chances to gain a great solid legacy..
But his great career and awesome skill and controversial character cannot be denied..
9.Felix Trinidad.. An amazing fighter with incredible power who would and did fight anybody..
Three time world champion in three weight classes and a truely popular and entertaining star to the end. also boasting his impecable record of 42-2-0 35 ko's.. His only two losses coming from undoubted or future Pound for pound all time greats..
10. Sugar shane mosely..Known for bieng a great fighter and fighting and beating some of the best around.. Beaten by other p4p greats.. or at least great champions with his number..
A great speedy fighter.. who is still entertaining to watch with alot of prospects of what to do with his career..
So thats mine..Its probably a little mis shapen but add your's if you can!
Peace
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Re: Prime for prime, Pound for pound of this Generation
I have Roy Jones Jr at #1 P4P, with Pretty Boy Floyd in at #2.
I think PBF probably had a more well rounded game than Roy did, but I think Roy was one of those guys who was just in another world. He was in the same world as Pernell Whitaker, he just seemed to know what his opponent was going to do, even before his opponent knew. To start your career at junior middleweight, and eventually move up and win a Heavyweight championship... that is just the definition of P4P greatness right there. People may hate John Ruiz but you have to admit the guy was no pushover. He was a good fighter who beat a lot of other good HW fighters and Roy just made him look foolish.
I say this all the time and I believe it firmly, there may have been others much more popular than him, but Roy was the best fighter of the 90's hands down. There'll never be another guy who can do things Roy could do.
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Re: Prime for prime, Pound for pound of this Generation
this list should be fun to make :coolclick: for starting it great topic tito.
This is how mine is;
Roy
Bhop
Pacman
Pbf
Winky
Jmm
Morales
Mab
Shane
Oscar
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Roy Jones Jr.
Bhop
PBF
Trinidad
Winky
Pacman
Oscar
MAB
Morales
JMM
Shane
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Re: Prime for prime, Pound for pound of this Generation
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Originally Posted by Julius Rain
this list should be fun to make :coolclick: for starting it great topic tito.
This is how mine is;
Roy
Bhop
Pacman
Pbf
Winky
Jmm
Morales
Mab
Shane
Oscar
Cc back bro..
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Originally Posted by dgreen626
Roy Jones Jr.
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Originally Posted by tysonbruno
Prettyboy Floyd
I was looking more for lists to be honest..Its easy to say who was at the very top..
Not so easy to place the other greats.. Show me something yo!
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Re: Prime for prime, Pound for pound of this Generation
were the fuck is audley harrison in this list? ;D
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Originally Posted by Tam Seddon
were the fuck is audley harrison in this list? ;D
Dude.. You need glasses...
You must have missed it moving across the screen as fast as his hands!
1. AUDLEY HARRISON
:) :P
2. The rest at his feet.. ( Lied down of course as harrison still hasnt woken up after that punch from sprott ;) )
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Re: Prime for prime, Pound for pound of this Generation
1# Roy Jones Jr
2# Barrera
3# Mayweather
4# Mosely
5# De la hoya
6# Calzaghe
7# WInky
8# Ike Quertey
9# James toney
10# Tito
My list is mostley down to the boxers skills as i see them rather than who the boxer beat or what he won... although some are ranked lower than due to the fact they really havn't been able to prove what they can do...
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Re: Prime for prime, Pound for pound of this Generation
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Originally Posted by Tito_BHB
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Originally Posted by Tam Seddon
were the F*** is audley harrison in this list? ;D
Dude.. You need glasses...
You must have missed it moving across the screen as fast as his hands!
1. AUDLEY HARRISON
:) :P
2. The rest at his feet.. ( Lied down of course as harrison still hasnt woken up after that punch from sprott ;) )
haha cc ;D
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Re: Prime for prime, Pound for pound of this Generation
Here's Mine
1 Roy
2 B-Hop
3 PBF
4 Pac
5 ODLH/Shane
6 ODLH/Shane
7 MAB/EM
8 MAB/EM
9 James Toney - once considered p4p monster(not anymore pound kept coming, but during his heyday MAN!)
10 Evander Holyfield
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Roy Jones Jnr without any doubt whatsoever. The most gifted boxer who's ever lived in my opinion.
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Originally Posted by Sovereign
The most gifted boxer who's ever lived in my opinion.
Agreed.
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Re: Prime for prime, Pound for pound of this Generation
Roy Jones Jr.
Mayweather
Hopkins
Wright
Oscar
Mosley
Pacquaio
...
I don't see how any here put Pacquaio so far up... He hasn't even been p4p champ yet, and doesn't even deserve #2 in his prime right now.
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Haven't posted in a while, but love the topic.
Jones Jr.
Hopkins
Mayweather Jr.
Winky
Trinidad
Mosley
Delahoya
Pacquiao
MAB
Toney
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Originally Posted by Preme
1# Roy Jones Jr
2# Barrera
3# Mayweather
4# Mosely
5# De la hoya
6# Calzaghe
7# WInky
8# Ike Quertey
9# James toney
10# Tito
My list is mostley down to the boxers skills as i see them rather than who the boxer beat or what he won... although some are ranked lower than due to the fact they really havn't been able to prove what they can do...
Calzaghe above Winky,Quartey,Toney and Tito give me a can of what your drinking and to think i cool clicked you yesterday
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Originally Posted by tysonbruno
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Originally Posted by Preme
1# Roy Jones Jr
2# Barrera
3# Mayweather
4# Mosely
5# De la hoya
6# Calzaghe
7# WInky
8# Ike Quertey
9# James toney
10# Tito
My list is mostley down to the boxers skills as i see them rather than who the boxer beat or what he won... although some are ranked lower than due to the fact they really havn't been able to prove what they can do...
Calzaghe above Winky,Quartey,Toney and Tito give me a can of what your drinking and to think i cool clicked you yesterday
yea i disagree with that list too, mab is #2 ??? and no pacman ??? pac whoop him when pac wasn't even primed. Ike #8 ??? and no bhop ??? when i saw calzaghe above winky i figured it must of been his favorite list of fighters no so much p4p greats. but its ok its all of our oppinion.
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Ricardo Lopez should be top 10 p4p, and as much as I think hes overrated RJJ should take the #1 spot.
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Originally Posted by dgreen626
Roy Jones Jr.
Bhop
PBF
Trinidad
Winky
Pacman
Oscar
MAB
Morales
JMM
Shane
Heres :coolclick: #1 on me and welcome aboard, enjoy! your stay here at Casa De Saddos.
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Originally Posted by Taeth
I don't see how any here put Pacquaio so far up... He hasn't even been p4p champ yet, and doesn't even deserve #2 in his prime right now.
Completely agree on this, I like Pac but there is NO WAY he comes above some of the people you guys are rating him above of.
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Originally Posted by BoomBoom
Ricardo Lopez should be top 10 p4p, and as much as I think hes overrated RJJ should take the #1 spot.
Spot on BoomBoom can't believe Lopez was left out by everyone a man who RJJ himself said Lopez was P4P #1 at one point and not him (RJJ)
But I wouldn't rate him above RJJ.
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1 PBF
2 Roy Jones Jr
3 Hopkins
4 Winky
5 ODLH
6 Mosely
7 Pacman
8 Barrera
9 Tony
10 Tito
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1. MAB
2. RJJ
3. Tito
4. "Finito" Lopez
5. BHop
6. PBF
7. Pac
8. Winky
9. DLH
10. Mosley
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OK... Here goes.
1. RJJ
2. Lopez
3. Hopkins
4. Toney
5. Winky
6. ODLH
7. SSM
8. PBF
9. Erik
10. MAB
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Originally Posted by tysonbruno
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Originally Posted by Preme
1# Roy Jones Jr
2# Barrera
3# Mayweather
4# Mosely
5# De la hoya
6# Calzaghe
7# WInky
8# Ike Quertey
9# James toney
10# Tito
My list is mostley down to the boxers skills as i see them rather than who the boxer beat or what he won... although some are ranked lower than due to the fact they really havn't been able to prove what they can do...
Calzaghe above Winky,Quartey,Toney and Tito give me a can of what your drinking and to think i cool clicked you yesterday
yo T-bruno, you should atleast make an attempt at doing a list before you bag someone elses :-X
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Re: Prime for prime, Pound for pound of this Generation
ill have a crack ;)
roy jones
PBF
pac-man
MAB
ODLH
tito
holyfield
toney
eric morrales (spelling) ???
winky ??? couldnt think of anyone else ;)
i think all those guys deserve top 10 status, the order might be a bit whack! i just put winky cause couldnt think of anyone, im not certain he has done enough to deserve top 10 p4p
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ohh i forgot about mosley. so fuk winky off my list and shane can take his spot at no#10 ;)
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Re: Prime for prime, Pound for pound of this Generation
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Originally Posted by CutMeMicK
OK... Here goes.
1. RJJ
2. Lopez
3. Hopkins
4. Toney
5. Winky
6. ODLH
7. SSM
8. PBF
9. Erik
10. MAB
Order doesn't matter. We all seem to be going around the same names.
I agree. Somehow we should give honorable mention to the Pac, JL Castillo and L. Lewis (if he is in this generation--he wasn't 'protected', he beat everyone he ever faced, and is technically still the Ring Champ!)
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Originally Posted by ArawakWarria
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Originally Posted by CutMeMicK
OK... Here goes.
1. RJJ
2. Lopez
3. Hopkins
4. Toney
5. Winky
6. ODLH
7. SSM
8. PBF
9. Erik
10. MAB
Order doesn't matter. We all seem to be going around the same names.
I agree. Somehow we should give honorable mention to the Pac, JL Castillo and L. Lewis (if he is in this generation--he wasn't 'protected', he beat everyone he ever faced, and is technically still the Ring Champ!)
Heres CC#14, cause I agree on the honorable mentions.
Would also include Holyfield, Tito, JMM.
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Originally Posted by CutMeMicK
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Originally Posted by ArawakWarria
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Originally Posted by CutMeMicK
OK... Here goes.
1. RJJ
2. Lopez
3. Hopkins
4. Toney
5. Winky
6. ODLH
7. SSM
8. PBF
9. Erik
10. MAB
Order doesn't matter. We all seem to be going around the same names.
I agree. Somehow we should give honorable mention to the Pac, JL Castillo and L. Lewis (if he is in this generation--he wasn't 'protected', he beat everyone he ever faced, and is technically still the Ring Champ!)
Heres CC#14, cause I agree on the honorable mentions.
Would also include Holyfield, Tito, JMM.
CC--for me :-[ :-[ :-[??? Gee, thanks!
I thought long and I can only agree with JMM. The others are great fighters, but most of Holyfield's draws and losses came in this generation. I just can't bring myself to say that Tito was an all time great. Maybe I need to see more fights... O0
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Originally Posted by tysonbruno
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Originally Posted by Preme
1# Roy Jones Jr
2# Barrera
3# Mayweather
4# Mosely
5# De la hoya
6# Calzaghe
7# WInky
8# Ike Quertey
9# James toney
10# Tito
My list is mostley down to the boxers skills as i see them rather than who the boxer beat or what he won... although some are ranked lower than due to the fact they really havn't been able to prove what they can do...
Calzaghe above Winky,Quartey,Toney and Tito give me a can of what your drinking and to think i cool clicked you yesterday
Have a can of reality then ;)
Im guessing the comment means that you disagree on toney and tito bieng included...
And by this i can ceerrrtainly tell that you havnt seen enough of toney in his prime..
Before he lost interest and discipline..The guy was a bigger P4P star then floyd by far..
His skills are/were crazy..He was fighting the best,beating them..He had wicked power a middle and supermiddle..Just a complete package...
And tito speaks for himself..He took the best fights in a great era.. And finished off great opposition in style..
Say what you want about don king..But tito wanted to fight the best and king delivered huge fights!
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I'm gonna give it a shot
1_RJJ To be honest, I didn't enjoy his fights much but I can't deny he was the best
2_B-Hop The man was a Master
3_MAB
4_"Finito" Lopez
5_Tito People that were not a fan of Tito probably only saw his fights at 154 and 160. What they don't know is that he was possibly one of the top 5 Welterweights of all time IMHO.
6_ODLH No signature win. But great fights against great fighters.
7_PBF
8_PAC
9_Winky I think his style more than his skill made him hard to beat. But his big wins have been against fighters over their weight class and/or passed their prime.
10_Calzagea His long reign counts for something even though it was mostly against B fighters.
PBF might go up after tomorrow. I just need to see how he does against an A fighter before I put him any higher.
PAC Also might go up depending on how he does in his next couple of fights.
To be honest I never saw Toney below HW. So I can't in good conscious rank him. I'm sure I missed other people as well. As the name says I'm still a Rookie Fan
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1.Floyd Mayweather
2.Roy Jones jnr
3.Shane Mosely
4.Oscar De La Hoya
5.James Toney
6.Bernard Hopkins
7.Marco Antonio Barrera
8.Felix Trinidad
9.Ricardo Lopez
10.Lennox Lewis